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Euripides posted...

And yet you see no hypocrisy there. In fact, logic should dictate that the adult is not as defenseless as a the child, yet you advocate for physically harming the defenseless child

The child is subject to the whims of the parents who, by nature and God and Man's laws, are charged with the rearing of the child. The same is not true of another adult. That is why spanking your child if they've acted out is ok, but spanking your wife would not be.

ai123 posted...

Don't forget, wife beating has Biblical approval too!

Could you quote a passage in the Bible that says beating your wife is okay?

ai123 posted...

What is your intent when you beat a child?

If you've deemed they've acted out, the purpose of spanking them for it is to correct their behavior.

What if you were to beat your wife for the same reason?

The same logic that applies to spanking children when they act out does not logically, morally, or legally extend to spanking another adult. Spanking your wife, if you've deemed she's acted out, would amount to abuse in my eyes.

Euripides posted...

Cool, so I can slap my wife as long as I claim there was no "malicious intent"?

Sounds pretty biblical to me...

If you've slapped your wife for any reason other than self defense, then it's pretty clear to me that malicious intent was involved. So no you may not slap your wife and claim "malicious intent" to be morally or legally justified.

Glob posted...

Its not that youre unclear. Its just that youre wrong.

If you disagree with me that is a-OK buddy but I am not wrong. Malicious intent and possibly intent to do grievous bodily harm is evidenced in abuse, neither of these are present elements in spanking your child after they've acted out.

a mathematically-sound assessment of the value of the first five Arabic numerals???

Glob posted...

Nobody is implying that. Theyre stating it.

Well they're not. I don't know how much more clear I can be.

ssjevot posted...

TC, why did you ignore this? If hitting kids and religion is so important why are Japanese kids so well behaved?

I don't know a lot about Japan but I'm willing to bet that deference to authority has been well-ingrained into their culture (probably because of an obligation to succeed, as evidenced by their much more rigorous education system) and so you find Japanese children act out far less than children of some western countries.

KI_Simpson posted...

First of all, you ended up as a Trump supporter, so saying something is how it was done when you were growing up, in the most generous context, adds no credibility to it.

Ad hominem, much?

Second, the discussion is about hitting your children, whether children should be disciplined was never a topic of discussion outside of a strawman you've been clinging to.

"Hitting your children" and spanking them when they act out come from two entirely different places. I mean, you're implying spanking your children and abusing them are the same thing?

Third, speaking against people spreading hatred is also a responsibility, so that's even more reason "you need to raise your kids" isn't a justification for physical violence.

But you didn't say "speak against" spreading hatred, you said "why shouldn't we punch them?" or something amounting to that. Why should disagreeing with what someone says or believes be a justification for physical violence?

I also don't disagree that it is a parent's obligation to teach their child to accept others. So I'm not sure why we're even arguing about this particular point.

Finally, respecting authority because it's authority is a bad message and is applied arbitrarily even by those who claim to believe in it. See you supporting the treasonous criminal who ignores any rule that inconveniences him.

I disagree. Better they learn how to defer to authority than to live their life thinking they are above it.

KI_Simpson posted...

Explain why hitting an equal is worse than hitting someone smaller than you who you are supposed to protect.

Speaking from a purely moral perspective and not a legal one, if your job is to rear a child then it falls to you to address how to punish them when you deem they've acted out. Spanking is one method and, while not warranted in every case, would definitely be used if I ever heard my 4 year old tell anyone shut the fuck up especially a person of authority who they should defer to such as a teacher. This is what my parents would do to me and it is what everyone's parents would do who grew up in my time and place. (Actually, I can tell you if this happened in my school growing up first the teacher would spank you, then the principal/administrator, THEN the spanking you got when you got home would be the worst of all).

You mentioned the parental aspect of protection. I would argue not punishing them at appropriate times would be tantamount to not protecting them. If you haven't drilled it into the very core of their being to respect authority and others then there's no telling what kind of trouble they may get into at later ages.

ItsNotA2Mer posted...

The very definition of assault;
make a physical attack on.

Corporal punishment only constitutes child abuse and the legal definition of assault once it becomes excessive, as I understand it.

KI_Simpson posted...

Then why is hitting an adult who says something hateful assault?

Because hitting an adult who has only said something would make you the aggressor. It's not your job to "fix" an adult who has said something hateful; conversely it is within your right as a parent to spank a child if they have acted out as long as it hasn't reached the point of becoming excessive.

Glob posted...

In a good chunk of the world, it legally is assault. If its not where you live, that just means that your country needs to update its legislation.

https://reliefweb.int/report/world/international-day-end-corporal-punishment-only-14-worlds-children-legally-protected-corporal-punishment

This says only 65 countries have outlawed corporal punishment. So considering there's far more countries that consider it legal, it's disingenuous to act like it's some backwards practice that only regressive countries lagging behind the pack still practice when in actuality so few countries actually have legislation for it.

KI_Simpson posted...

I don't hit children for offending me either. Now explain why you only approve of assaulting children.

Spanking a child who has acted out is not assault.

KI_Simpson posted...

Still no response to TC about why hitting a kid for saying shut the fuck up is okay, but hitting another adult who is bigoted against you isn't.

Hitting another adult who isn't physically attacking you is assault. Do you just go around hitting people you disagree with?

ai123 posted...

'Whooping' a child is abuse.

The fact that you think it isn't is problematic.

Spanking a child for no reason is child abuse.

Spanking a child who has just told the teacher to shut the fuck up is not child abuse.

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You're arguing in bad faith, making it sound like abuse.

Glob posted...

Why would I care about that? Did you miss the part where I explicitly stated that I dont have the faith that you do?

Because every man, woman, and child on Earth is subject to the words contained within that book.

Glob posted...

My upbringing was plenty gruesome enough, thanks. Also, as others have pointed out, you havent actually grown up.

This is rich coming from you. I'm seemingly the only one here raised to believe in correcting a child's behavior if they're out of control. That was what happened in my generation and every generation before me. We've only started sparing the rod recently and, let me tell you, the results are evident.

Glob posted...

Having a belief in God doesnt make you a bad person. It doesnt make you a good one either. The same is true of a lack of belief in God.

I have some bad news for you. That isn't what the Bible says.

Glob posted...

Thats because they are both abuse.

Most certainly not.

You guys wouldn't have survived growing up the way I did

Glob posted...

Im very good without God in my life and Im confident that Ive had a more positive impact on the world than you have.

You're living wrong if God isn't in your life. And... most certainly not haha.

pnut027 posted...

It wont go anywhere. The law draws a distinction between child abused and spankings.

The problem with people who have bleedin hearts is they make no distinction between abuse and common spanking.

Glob posted...

If your God thinks that hitting kids is not only okay, but necessary, hes a dickhead. Its actually very comforting that he doesnt exist.

You could use some God in your life. Proverbs 13:24 would be a good starting point for you:

whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

Dark_Arbron posted...

A better way to raise a child is to teach them critical thinking skills and let them realize God doesnt exist on their own.

And let them end up some Godless heathen? Yeah... no.

Glob posted...

If you teach children that problems can be solved by violence, that might makes right, and that they only need to listen to you as long as they fear you, youve certainly not done a good job of raising them.

You're goddamn right your child should fear acting out. If you don't put the fear of God in them from an early age you're gonna end up with the kid in this video. If you don't lead the kid, they're going to end up leading you.

ai123 posted...

What is silly is that you think (or choose to think) that the only options are 'no punishment' and 'public beating'.

And that the only way to communicate 'better expectations' to a child is through violence and pain.

Certain actions require punitive measures. If you do not instill this in your children at an early age, then you can't even say you've raised them.

Caught somewhere between a boy and man
She was seventeen and she was far from in-between
It was summertime in Northern Michigan

ai123 posted...

If I saw a kid get 'whooped', I'd be worrying about a lot more than their bad language.

And I would have some very serious questions about the parents' 'feelings'.

Oh of course. We shouldn't punish kids who act this way. How silly of me. It'd be crazy to make them feel better is expected of them.

This obviously shouldn't be taken as an indictment against the character of all rich people.

Glob posted...

Its entirely possible that theyre doing nothing to address the behaviour. Its equally possible that they are but it hasnt worked yet.

It's obviously the first one.

Glob posted...

Maybe so, but that doesnt necessarily mean that its learned from them.

But it does mean they've had time to step in and teach him to stop that. Now if they stepped in and snatched his ass and whooped him in front of everyone I'd know exactly where he learned it from and no one would question their feelings on his behavior.

LightningThief posted...

All bad behavior isn't always learned from the parents.

They reacted like he does this all the time

https://youtu.be/Qf3RFZjQ9v4?si=S8xHrxZ189yEaxpN

Parents must be proud

Think about how much surveyors appreciate it. Increases their accuracy by orders of magnitude

https://youtu.be/s_goaAP5JxA?si=GigqToebE0Z2jMHn

THIS is how it is done. Imparting wisdom while stopping the fight.... if our school systems weren't so soft then EVERY teacher should be as courageous as this man. Not just to stop to fight but to give them something at school they clearly aren't getting elsewhere!

Why you little

Nope

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ViewtifulJoe posted...

I'm convinced people who use lmao are miserable.
That or it's become their tick and they no longer know why they're using it. Or both.

lmao

Don't worry just LOL

HylianFox posted...

I got indicted for nothing for something that is nothing, Trump said to applause.

And a lot of people said that thats why the Black people like me, because theyve been hurt so badly and discriminated against. And they actually viewed me as Im being discriminated against."

This is why he said that. You're the one turning it into a "black people must be criminals" thing.

Damn_Underscore posted...

gifs and gifts sound exactly the same, which can extremely confusing

That just seems more like your own inability to parse context.

Somebody post those pics of her feet

Ararararagi posted...

It's expensive, tastes bad, and has terribly long drive-thru lines now?

FUCK YES

Was the ultimate fast food joint. Cheap, extremely tasty, drive thru lines were never terribly long. But now this current generation that loves to mire in the state of perpetual moral decline has seen it fit to FUCK with the formula that makes Checkers amazing.

Milkshakes are still da bomb tho.

Why are people already coping about a Trump victory

Dark_Arbron posted...

The owner class bases itself on stealing from the working class, so piracy isn't so much theft as it is reclamation.

How can you "reclaim" something if you never owned it to begin with. Such twisted, stupid logic.

Anti AI because anti piracy is actually a good stance

Yes. 2d sonic does kinda suck. Thought so even back then. They'd be better today if they're in widescreen

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/nothing-less-than-a-miracle-the-constitution-and-the-peaceful-transition-of

Why do you still feel like a kid

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/71fab442.jpg