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Like, was that supposed to be a gotcha moment?

The author's whims don't matter, so if they decide the plot, then the plot doesn't matter by extension.

s0nicfan posted...

If plot doesn't matter than there's no reason to try and trivialize Bulma's involvement.

The plot is all a lazy, convenient excuse to show flashy fights. Bulma doesn't fight, so she isn't important. This isn't trivializing her involvement; it's calling her out for the minor background character that she is no matter how you fuss over the most minuscule of details.

s0nicfan posted...

You're the one constantly trying to re-write the narrative in all these topics.

To exemplify my point that the plot doesn't matter. If you can easily change it into something else, then it's not important.

You're the one pretending the plot matters, not me lol.

s0nicfan posted...

Someone else could have but Toriyama had Bulma be that person due to author's whims.

That's arbitrary and thus, unimportant. If you only do something on a whim, then there is no purpose to it.

Maybe you could write her out but, again, author's whims didn't

If you could easily write her out, then she's not necessary to include.

did important stuff.

Being used for countless perverted misogynist gags isn't important. People don't watch Dragon Ball for the sex jokes; they watch it for the battles.

Stop denying the author's whims.

Stop pretending whims matter, or that someone's actions have meaning simply because they choose to take them.

Imagine someone blows up their own home and they claim it was because they didn't like living there, even though they could have easily just moved out.

They didn't like living there, so was it necessary to blow it up? No, because they could have just moved out. "Doesn't matter! They chose to do it so it was necessary" Asinine logic.

Jupiter posted...

I more so meant the special itself, not Bardock.

The special itself was canon, as it was referenced in the original manga.

Toriyama said in 1995...

Up until the Tenkaichi Budkai began, the series hadnt been all that popular. Thats what Torishima-san had told me. Your protagonist is rather plain. Thats why its not popular., he said. Personally, since I was doing a fighting story for this series, I had intentionally made the protagonists clothing excessively plain. So this annoyed me, but then I figured it out. Well, lets increase its popularity I thought. When I had designed Gokus character, the words that best represented him were I want to become strong. So I thought Id bring that to the front. Even during Dr. Slump, the tournament-like events such as the Penguin Village Gran Prix or the Mini-Event had been amazingly popular. So Id simply make the story into a tournament format. From there the Tenkaichi Budkai was born. I temporarily withdrew the other characters besides Goku, brought back Kame-Sennin, and added Kuririn as a new character. From there it got popular before I knew it.

Toriyama's editor Torishima said in 2020...

Torishima: At first, Dragon Ball wasn't that popular.
Matsuyama: Eh? It wasn't? I read Dragon Ball in Jump at that time, you know. But I thought it was always popular?
T: No, it was different back then. I thought it was good at the beginning of the series, but then it became less popular, and I thought it was bad.
M: When was that?
T: Around the end of the interaction with the Pilaf Team.
M: Eh?! After, "Gimme' the panties off a hot babe!!"?
T: Yes, once Shenron was summoned, and their wish was fulfilled, there was a break, story-wise. I wondered if the reader would think, 'Oh, so this story process will just repeat itself.
M: That'd be useless?
T: It would be useless if you couldn't feel the harmony and excitement of the pacing, because in the manga, the number of characters had increased a lot.
M: Ah, right, at that time the number of characters had increased a fair bit, such as Bulma, Yamcha, Puar, Oolong, Kame-sennin, Chichi, the Ox King, and Pilaf.
T: Right, so I had Gok train at Kame-sennin's to keep the story simple. Together with Krillin. Then, the Tenkaichi Budkai was prepared as a place to test the results of that training. It's been extremely popular ever since.
M: That's right! Eh, but it's surprising that there was something like a lull in Dragon Ball. Is that part of 'story arrangement?'
T: You don't have to analyze it.
M: Even so, how did you come up with the ideas behind organizing the story?
T: I studied Fist of the North Star.
M: Oh! Fist of the North Star?! That's surprising.
T: It was because the popularity of Dragon Ball had declined, so I had no choice but to study it. The most overwhelmingly popular series at the time was Fist of the North Star.
M: That's true, isn't it?
T: So I researched it and read up to 3 volumes of Fist of the North Star.
M: What? To volume 3? Only up to that point?!
T: You only need to read that much of Fist of the North Star to understand it. I didn't care for it that much.
M: Oh?! How can you say that?!
T: Nah, it's alright because it's just my personal preference. I don't like it. But Fist of the North Star was so popular at the time, so I read it carefully and studied it, and that's how the future of Dragon Ball evolved. I decided the policies.
M: You mean in terms of story arrangement?
T: Yes, I made the story simple by reducing the amount of characters.
M: So that's it.

The only thing that matters in Dragon Ball is the fighting because that's what makes it popular. Arguing about the plot is a waste of time because it's all arbitrary nonsense; the only thing people are tuning in for are the battles.

s0nicfan posted...

if it's all arbitrary and decided at the author's whim than you really need to stop pretending like Bulma wasn't central to the plot since the author's whim specifically made her a core part of the story and Goku's journey.

The author's whim didn't make her a core part of the story. The only thing she did was encounter Goku at the start, which someone else could have done (and was going to do sooner or later, as we see with Pilaf), and then she's just used as the butt of countless perverted, misogynist gags for the rest of her time in the series. Since she's only relevant for a very small part of the story at best, you can write her out entirely and nothing important would change.

You can't be important to a plot if the plot itself is unimportant lol. It's nothing more than an excuse to show fighting; if you're not fighting, then you're worthless in the series because you aren't what brings the money in.

Foppe posted...

And they could make a story that starts with Frieza landing next to his house and have him be defeated by kid Goku, which means it is not necessary for Goku to train at all.

Exactly.

You people pretend there's any rhyme or reason to the plot when it's all arbitrary and decided at the author's whim lol. The only thing that matters is showing flashy fights because that's what brings the money in. As long as there's fighting, it doesn't matter what the plot is about.

Foppe posted...

And that movie was never canon.

Canon is irrelevant. As the film shows, the story could have easily been written so that Goku could fight the Red Ribbon army without any training from Roshi and not be killed.

s0nicfan posted...

If anything, Bardock's wish led directly to kid Goku meeting Bulma, since the wish was for him to thrive not just survive

lol nope. It was just for him to "grow up healthy and strong". Thrive is a Viz mistranslation.

and without her he'd just be a monkey man in the woods.

Pilaf would have come for his ball and taken him on his quest, so no.

No further back than 2015. No grandpa shit please

It's funny because in the Path to Power movie, Goku fights the RRA without any training from Roshi and guess what? He beats them lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbY_3HmeCmU

that shit looks just like DBZ fam

uwnim posted...

If pre-Roshi Goku fought the RRA, hed die.

He wouldn't, because Bardock's wish is to protect him at all times he's a child. This means that even if he gets his ass beaten by the RRA dudes, he'd survive to grow up healthy and strong.

Like when he got his ass kicked by Daimao the first time, but miraculously survived for no apparent reason even though Daimao confirmed his heart had stopped.

uwnim posted...

If that doesnt happen, then either Pilaf steals the ball and Goku remains at the mountain or Pilaf recruits Goku. You think the 2nd happens, I think the first would.

If Pilaf steals his ball, then Goku leaves the mountains in search of the ball and from there it's anyone's guess what happens. Whatever happens, though, Goku doesn't die.

uwnim posted...

RRA totally would have killed him.

@uwnim No, because Bardock's wish with the Cerealian Dragon Balls was protecting him.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6b94d8a4.jpg
So even if he takes on the RRA, he won't die as long as he's a kid. Stop trying to overwrite the manga with head canon

So this clearly results in

Pilaf taking Goku on his quest for the balls like Bulma did and becoming his friend, yes. Along the way, Goku meets Roshi and becomes his disciple as in the series.

uwnim posted...

Not seeing the connection there. Pilaf taking over the world isnt fatal to Goku.

You said that Pilaf or the RRA would kill Goku if they took his ball and he went after them. Bardock's wish protects Goku when he's a child fammy fam

RIP man guys died in the room shot up to 97 guys

uwnim posted...

And?

@uwnim And so Bulma isn't needed to start Goku's adventure.

CompatibleGreet posted...

Lol Scotty Rogers post

if sonic ain't going fast then the game is worthless

Remember how they made the Homing Attack two buttons instead of keeping it as press A twice

Trash ass design

ChrisTaka posted...

The night levels weren't that bad, and if you think they were, grow up

They sucked

Full_Pokedex posted...

They had actual RPG style sidequests.

You don't need RPG style side quests in a Sonic game lol

Full_Pokedex posted...

Bullshit they were awesome.

They suck lol you can't even run fast in them

The Daytime levels are mediocre "boost to win" and have some bad level design
The Nighttime levels with the wolf are awful
The hubs are awful
The QTEs suck
Lol medal collecting

You're better off just playing Colors or Generations

Fuck ordering free. Getting my bread up ASAP

Phoro posted...

They sound distinct.

So then human and humen sound distinct fammy fam

Fuck soda!

@SomeLikeItHoth

Drink a HELLA water.

Fuck Kidney Stones!

@SomeLikeItHoth

The Nile is a river in Egypt

HylianFox posted...

Maybe it's a midwest thing, but woman/women is definitely wummin/wimmin

No

He wouldn't last with the new TOS lol

HylianFox posted...

wimmin

No one actually says it like this lol

Hambo posted...

Woman and women already sound too similar.

Yet people still use both fammy fam

Tyranthraxus posted...

It's actually Ring ni Kakero. This is the Manga that kept Shonen Jump afloat while everything else was losing money. It was also one of the biggest inspirations for DB in general after Journey to the West. Without Ring ni Kakero Toriyama wouldn't even have had a job working for SJ.

Toriyama could have just gone to another Shonen magazine like Weekly Shonen Magazine or Shonen Sunday

Phoro posted...

But it doesn't. Try saying both "human" and "humen". Unless you go out of your way to enunciate like a robot (ie HUE-MAN), they come out sounding the same.

So then women/woman and men/man sound the same unless you go out of way to enunciate like a robot

fammy fam

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/5/AAfdaFAAElJL.jpg

Phoro posted...

Because it sounds the same as human?

By that logic women sounds the same as woman

And men same as man

Fammy fam

Plural for man is men
Plural for woman is women
Why isn't plural for human humen

Across 102 volumes.

Dakimakura posted...

App monitors your weight. If it gets too high they cancel the order.

I'm very underweight

Do they just stop doing deliveries for free orders sometime in the afternoon

I'll try again tomorrow morning and if it don't work then fuck this place

"Call us for more info"

*Calls*

"sorry no one can take your call right now bye"

Fuck this shit man

Charged151 posted...

And?

Nothing kills Goku as long as he's a kid famalam

Meaning no matter what, Goku survives into adulthood

Family Guy is just tryhard edgelord humor.

Consistently.

K181 posted...

Goku Black getting anything, much less 4th and 6th, is proof that 2021 and 2018 had a lot of troll votes.

Look no further than the recent "tournament" CE had if you want troll votes.

Gohan won in 1993.
Goku won in 1995, 2004 and 2018.
Vegeta won in 2021.

All except the last one are Japanese. The last one is American.