Lurker > Forceful_Dragon

I'm fine if you want to give me the badge of Town LVP, sure. But I'm not going to pretend I was the lone weakness in an otherwise stellar town game. We had MZero's successful day scan and then not much else in our favor.

Day lasted the same 48 hours. What magic communication that was going to unlock the game did we lose access to?

Day 3 had next to no posts and no activity. Less than a page of posts in 24+ hours. Then I pulled the trigger and 4+ pages materialized. Let's not pretend like we were on a high speed rail to victory. My vote didn't count for two if it was laid early, it could only be used as the final two nails in a lynch that already had momentum. For better or worse Lopen has momentum and he was either scum or town who was loud wrong.

Though as it turns out he was loud wrong town who got to CONTINUE to be loud wrong town even after his death.

It was a fun game and an interesting exercise in role-playing, would do it again.

Oh right, I never admitted that I could be lynched with 1 fewer vote. Good thing too or Sultan and Corrik just kill me. Glad it never happened on accident.

SirChris posted...

see fd this is why we dont use our abilities stupidly

Felt like it was you or me and I knew it wasn't me.

I absolutely would have gone for sultan yesterday and had him on my list for awhile, but there was never any support. Oh well

Oh damn

SirChris posted...

can you go into why it isnt exactly sbell/corrik for me?

Mostly because I don't think it could be NEITHER of MZero and Sultan.

But Corrik has done next to nothing and Sbell has done very little as well outside of the day he couldn't be voted. I didn't have a reason to point to either of them as a town read.

Maybe Sbell just alternates between being unvoteable on even days and not being able to vote on odd days?

##Vote: Sbell

##Unvote

@ifgodcoulddie votals please when you can

SirChris posted...

for Mzero even without mech Ulti put him in the lead day one when if Mzero was scum he still had a lot left to give the team, didn't really make a lot of sense tbh.

I know he is probably mech confirmed to me being town, but even aside from that I dont think ulti places that vote there.

I do like this observation, but it just brings me back to Sultan being scum

I like Sultan best of those 3.

I don't see it being both Sbell and Corrik

I also dont see Sultan and MZero being on the same team.

The fact that day didn't end makes me believe Lopen's vote doesn't really count.

Sultan can confirm that I was quite meticulous about my appearance last game

I don't believe he's claimed anything.

A) that night not have Even been hammer. And just in case we'll cover our bases:

##Unvote

B) And if it was then maybe this will usher in an era where you can be alive late in a game without being policy lynched?

SirChris posted...

fd link your spreadsheet again for me please

Best I can do on mobile

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7e0879a4.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/81f1d182.jpg

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Fd did you read any of what Chris and I were discussing we were actively trying to solve

And if the day is coming down to me or Chris then I'm going to choose the option that might be right every single time.

SirChris posted...

like suspect me or not but ending day SUPER early when I am trying to solve is just super lame

We don't know if that even ended day. Maybe Lopen's vote doesn't actually count. Maybe it actually does take 4 votes to lynch. We're gonna find out

SirChris posted...

like if that is hammer when i have been trying to go back through things thats just a total shitbag move by you.

What you are saying is only convincing me that if you are not scum then any two scum could have ended day at any point. Therefore you are scum or there is some other mechanic happening.

SirChris posted...

if you are town you are a piece of shit btw

I am town and I know that I am.

Afaik you might not be. Those are playable odds.

And if mayor doesn't stop Cthulhu then this will end the day anyways?

##Vote: Chris

How does a mayor affect majority being reduced?

If that's really how we're interpreting that then sure, Chris is scum in 100% of all situations.

SirChris posted...

With 6 players alive majority is reached at 3.

Yeah, that's VAGUE.

That doesn't specify a lynch occurs with 3 votes, and that would be pretty crazy if true. An absolute departure from how majority voting works.

But if lynch DOES occur at 3 votes then you are 100% scum so that makes today easier.

Otherwise any other 2 scum could use Lopen's vote to hammer you.

lol Chris, good job trying to convince me you must be scum instead of only most likely being scum

I will take that under advisement

SirChris posted...

"I doubt the host posted correct information even when asked"

excuse me?

Link because I did not see anything that said 'lynch occurs at 3 votes'

Because the phrasing was not specific?

My interpretation is that 3 scum would win the game right now regardless of towns ability to wield extra voting power (Lopen and myself)

Therefore there is not 3 scum remaining

I very much doubt 3/6 votes is a lynch unless I'm the 3rd

Difference between votes to lynch and scum parity

In a world where Chris is town then scum to me would have to be:

-one of Sultan and MZero
-one of Corrik and Sbell

And if Chris is scum then second scum is probably still between Sultan and MZero. Between their variety of actions I don't see them both being town. Mzero froze a vote and Sultan created a spare vote and I can't see scum getting BOTH of those powers, but maybe 1? The vote freeze could have a condition that it can't be used at mylo and the spare vote might be required to be given to town.

And there's just not much to say about Corrik or Sbell. Sbell couldn't be voted on day 2, I Guess we could test of he's voteable today for science?

But at the end of the day I'm still prepared to hinge the game on a Chris lynch.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80734995

SirChris posted...

I am still in hammer range, i am at 1 and it takes 3 lol

I don't think it "takes 3" unless I am the 3rd. I think it would take 4 votes to lynch still, but scum would win if the were 3 of them.

So all we've confirmed is that it wasn't a 5 man scum team, but we pretty well assumed that anyways.

If Chris is town then we actually don't have a chance and should just rip the band-aid and get it over with, because I AM town and I don't see a version of today that doesn't end with one of us being lynched.

MZero posted...

I already changed my mind on this lol

That's good!

Easter Sunday is busy so I missed the switch.

I still don't understand what Chris's "This happened... Right" thing is all about. I just know I got labeled anti fun for not playing along so I played along the next time, but otherwise have no idea what in game mechanical purpose it may have.

I am absolutely fine with killing Chris today, and the fact that you think my infinite use power could possibly be scum is pretty crazy.

And then MZero suggesting it should be me first seems like he could be Chris's scummate trying to end the game. I think host saying that scum would have majority at 3/6 and would win even if town had the ability to cast enough votes. So if we miss today I think we lose tomorrow regardless of my ability to hammer or Lopens ghostly vote.

Wallz feels like a weird kill, I was beginning to suspect him somewhat.

Lopen going out of his way to take virtually every position imaginable makes sense now after seeing his flip, that's a pretty awesome role.

Hoping he realizes that my power can't be scum, especially now that it's been used to early hammer a town

I.DONT.KNOW. I don't have MZero's magic scan that confirms alignment beyond a doubt. I won't be truly convinced of your alignment until you flip.

I assume if you are town that chris is a good lynch.

I also assume if you flip scum that after we throw a big party we aren't going to do the thing that you told us to do, unless we determine the only reason you told us to do it because you knew you would flip scum and you want us to NOT do that.

well I would have lynched chris today if he had more votes :(

Tomorrow then!

yes and no? Day end in 6 hours if that's what you means. But barring some unknown action the lynch is already determined.

wallmasterz posted...

Why in the world would Lopen lie about his alignment after hes already been lynched? Yeah I fully trust dead Lopen. I dont think hes a weirdo posting 50 times and pretending to solve even though hes officially dead and his flip is inevitable.

He would not be the first dead to rights scum to maintain their own innocence. Especially if he thinks there is an ability out there that might save him. Personally I don't see why my ability couldn't be overruled by a standard mayor and it seemed like we might have had one of those floating around.

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Lopen posted...

This game is basically down to people voting at this point.

The Cthulhu is a monkey's paw for scum. Indirectly got me on FD's trail harder today (for the wrong reason maybe but it did send me that way-- FD humoring mzero as scum also though) and then made scum look hella bad because they didn't feel like trying to sort out my logic.

Lopen, if you are town then all you are doing right now is ensuring that I get mislynched tomorrow. But if you're town you'll find that out in DTC soon enough I guess. Just think you might want to mitigate the caused by your own lynch in that scenario.

You don't have to agree with it for it to be the truth.

First 2 days*

My dude, I spent the first 2 games role playing a guy who never reads the game. I took my job very seriously and those first two days might as well not exist afaic

:shrug:

it felt like nothing was happening and no one was saying anything.

Now things are happening and people are saying things.

I'll eat my share of humble pie if you flip town, sure, but I'm convinced of my own alignment so that's good enough for me.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

It seems like wallz was saying you cthulhu call loomed scummy. And saying its a mislynch beacuse of how it looks. It doesn't sound like he KNOWS it is

Maybe to you, to me it reads like wallz knows Lopen is town.

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Lopen posted...

If I'm scum who is my scummate FD

I don't know, but I hope you are scum and that will be a problem for tomorrow. Possibly not even for me, though with the shade i'm getting today maybe I don't get night killed after all. I really think I should be because scum *should* be afraid of a town power that allows them to get lynched with less total voters, but that really isn't up to me, now is it?

I'd guess if you were scum I would instinctually want to town clear all 3 people who put a vote on you before I hammered and look at the remaining 3 people to find your scummate.

And if you're town I'd want to start with the people who immediately got up in arms about your lynch before your alignment is even confirmed.

For the record I would absolutely have hammered Lopen day 1 if the votes were there, but they weren't. There are still 7.5 hours until I'll know his alignment and I'll be taking a really hard look at everyone who seems too damn certain already that this is guaranteed to be a mislynch.

wallmasterz posted...

You also could have summoned Cthulhu way later, like an hour before deadline and still proven you werent a one-shot power.

You also couldve asked town or simply warned us. Its feeling like you wanted to secure the Lopen mislynch and thats why you finalized the lynch when you did.

Do you KNOW it's a mislynch?

Because I don't.

Sounds like scum trying to score points against a town who made a wrong move.

I went on a tirade? That's news to me.

wallmasterz posted...

Wow, FD basically claiming scum with this post

How? I'm town so I know that I have literally not claimed scum at any point, because I'm not. Please elaborate on your misinterpretation of my post.

Lopen posted...

FD is now realizing the drawback of his scum hammer ability.

Yeah, I'm town and it would be pretty bonkers if scum could do this :shrug:

Definitely willing to admit today's hammer was a mistake if you flip town, but day didn't feel like it was going anywhere else so it seemed like a good opportunity to at least confirm without a doubt that I was not limited to a single use and just hope for the best on your flip.

I mean, Lopen can still claim any potential actions he may have/had/used without "full claiming" in a way that would modkill.

Lopen posted...

Also I just realized FD chopped me before I had a chance to claim

Very poor form for town

You're still not claiming so I fail to see the difference.

SirChris posted...

By the way @Forceful_Dragon

you chopped lopen because of my next generation spy information on him, yes?

Yes, of course

Lopen posted...

That's a boring question. I'm going to flip soon. Here's a question for you-- why do you think scum Lopen does that?

I don't know. Why was I supposed to think Ulti listed 5 people before we knew his PM from the MZero scan (which may or may not have been real)?

It's a thing that didn't make sense and hasn't been explained since. And sure I could wait 11 hours or you could give us something now and we could move on.