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Irk_Nowitzki posted...

I like Superhero movies a fair amount. I don't like Marvel superhero movies much though. There's no emotion. As soon as a character dies, Thor is making a joke about beer or farting.

That does not bode well for me to watch or get invested in. It's fodder for kids.

I loved thor ragnarok but making thor's planets destruction a mistake was a mistake.

This is the most different mcu movie. You may like this but Im not here trying to be an eternals salesman

super hero movies, if you don't like super hero movies no point in having this discussion

He's actually going to be a divisive character but I can tell you he is not the main, I don't think he was ever advertised as such

Irk_Nowitzki posted...

Well then there you go. A Superman carbon-copy, not a Cyclops carbon-copy.

Except everybody knows and cares about Superman. And nobody knows or cares about Akari or w/e his name is (don't know/don't care)
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I am just saying, don't expect an audience to go read the comics or a book about these characters. Nobody knows who they are, so why would we go see a movie about them and force ourselves to care?

why go watch anything thats not superman, spiderman and batman if thats the determining factor for you

Irk_Nowitzki posted...

Fair enough. I won't be going to see it. Isn't the main character the same thing as Cyclops (beams shooting out of eyes) except they don't call him Cyclops? He's just some unknown random superhero guy?

Sounds boring and unrelatable

he's more superman in power set in that he can fly, is super strong and shoots laser beams. I wouldn't say he's the main but he's better than the actual main

Irk_Nowitzki posted...

If you get mad about reviews on websites regarding a movie by the biggest corporate bloodsucker in the world - a company that basically owns America's childhood - Star Wars/Marvel/ESPN/Disney/Everything....

Then you may need to get yourself a life

I'm not hurt about the reviews. It's an exaggeration but I fear what the reviews might change going forward

There were flaws don't get me wrong but there is no way you walk out of the theatre and think that was worse than thor 1/2, antman 2, black widow, the 2 crappy iron man movies, incredible hulk. Only listing MCU movies that I think it is for sure better than (there are more but those could be debated), if I list DC/sony movies it causes a debate.

It was a comic book movie but it was different than the typical MCU style. Anyone complaining MCU needs a change and docked points on this movie of all movies is high.

I actually worry now that the low scores effect the box office and we don't get more like this and we get something more like black widow. If this movie was a 51 then those movies I mentioned (plus a bunch of sony/fox/dc movies should be in the 10 and 20s. I think a lot of you will enjoy it, but even if you don't you will say at worst it is better than those movies I mentioned

I just got out. This is easily a top half to top 10 mcu movie. I dont know how this ended so low

Cuticrusader09 posted...

I dont think thats high praise for the movie though

I give widow a solid 7/10. It was fun but nothing special. I am just trying to highlight they felt the same way about widow as me and liked this more

Tyranthraxus posted...

Gotta wait for the honeymoon window to close before we can start trusting testimonials. TDKR was fucking amazing if you go by what people were saying on the theatrical debut.

I still think its great

Im going to say yes unless audience reaction is nuch different from critics. I do know a couple of people who saw it and they both liked it more than black widow

The movie cost 200 million and has a new set of characters AND bad reviews

it makes sense for halo

monkmith posted...

MCU seems rudderless after endgame, cant see them turning it around any time soon.

shang chi was fire and better than like all but 4 pre endgame movies

People seem to forget, the average quality of mcu isnt endgame, its captain america the first avenger

yikes, lower than black widow too. Might be one of MCU's weakest

Here's hoping MCU will be allowed to do a carnage at some point. Too big of a character to have 1 small appearance

Prestoff posted...

The red flag was when it was still a PG-13 movie.

apparently its biggest market is kids, so it makes sense

Kaiganeer posted...

that's a lot of untitled marvel

do people really watch these

the US top 5 box office of 2021 is literally about to be 5 marvel movies

https://deadline.com/2021/10/doctor-strange-2-thor-love-and-thunder-black-panther-wakanda-forever-release-date-changes-1234857549/

DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS (Disney) previously dated on 3/25/22 moves to 5/6/22

THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER (Disney) previously dated on 5/6/22 moves to 7/8/22

BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER (Disney) previously dated on 7/8/22 moves to 11/11/22

UNTITLED INDIANA JONES (Disney) previously dated on 7/29/22 moves to 6/30/23

UNTITLED DISNEY LIVE ACTION (Disney) previously dated on 7/14/23 is removed from schedule

THE MARVELS (Disney) previously dated on 11/11/22 moves to 2/17/23

ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA (Disney) previously dated on 2/17/23 moves to 7/28/23

UNTITLED MARVEL (Disney) previously dated on 7/28/23 is removed from schedule

UNTITLED MARVEL (Disney) previously dated on 10/6/23 is removed from schedule

UNTITLED 20TH CENTURY (20th) previously dated on 10/20/23 is removed from schedule

UNTITLED MARVEL (Disney) previously dated on 11/10/23 moves to 11/3/23

you definitely have to approach it as an action movie and not a spy movie

I fully welcome the MCU doing prequels and hope they do them but this was not how to do it. It totally felt like it was too late. I enjoyed it but the fact that it felt like it was too late and the shit ass taskmaster held it back from greatness. Still think it is good though

In comics both were actively using that name at the same time

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Man, what a disastrous fall from grace

he fell from grace after he won the chip, this is just business as usual for him

even if he gets the shot, he'll just get injured or take personal time off

I hope it isn't canon

It's best to just see it as a fun (though not that great) little side thing

ledbowman posted...

venom is just more fun. if somebody asked you would you rather see a movie of venom vs. carnage or... shang chi?? you know what you would say

In a vacuum, without these films exisiting: venom vs carnage for sure. Venom is an A-list Marvel character. Carnage is up there, B-list at it's lowest. Shang chi is C-lister, the Mandarin is probably higher ranking than him in popularity

Now that both movies exist: shang Chi, no doubt

Xethuminra posted...

Now
Which character would you say is better?

So... not the movie, but just Venom or Shang-Chi by themselves removed from the other stuff with or without the actor. Id find it a little strange if Shang-Chi beat out Venom any day. But yes dont get it wrong Shang Chi is the more enjoyable film of the two. Weird, eh?

Shang Chi > Venom but also Venom > Shang-Chi

..... -___- genius

shang chi=cool enough dude, venom=muddled cgi pile with sometimes hard to make out dialogue

TendoDRM posted...

Yeah, Shang Chi.

This

I prefer Skyrim but as others said, the quests, especially the guilds.

The goat

DarkBuster22904 posted...

I mean, sure, but that's just as contrived a
of an "easy out" as "alternate universe."

Both are basically just asspull retcons to give them free reign to put in whatever they want.

Chadwick's death completely screwed the BP continuity. I sincerely doubt there's any possibility that it'll recover gracefully

One is hiding plant, the other is opening a gateway to another universe. One is easier than the other

DarkBuster22904 posted...

I mean, forgive me, but isn't this basically inevitable at this point?

I mean, Killmonger pretty much made it impossible for the main universe to produce any more Black Panthers, anyway. Not sure even HOW to replace T'challa without some kind of shenanigans.

Easy fix, there was one more left he didn't get.

I'm sure that storyline was for before Chadwick passed away but now they'll have to settle for, there was a hidden herb

Pitbuller_26 posted...

If Black Panther 2 gets delayed because Wright is replaced...as Hulk said: "I see this as an absolute win."

I'm ok with this. With all of the shows and movies , a delay wouldn't bother me

Xethuminra posted...

Dark, jokey slice-of-life? Id do it.

how many superhero movies actually nail being funny without being ridiculous in one way or another? Venom is very special.

Venom has good qualities for sure. The Eddie/Venom stuff is fine to good, just everything else is bad

I'm caught up

Shang chi>captain falcon>wandavision>black widow>loki

Not sure where to rank what if, very different but not great

BigB0ss13 posted...

except probably the box office but everyone and their grandma know about venom/carnage so they went to see what's well known and popular and it's a sequel that made people want to see it more. Shang Chi 2 probably gonna do a lot better once it comes out

We'll see venom is already showing bad legs. Sequels tend to be front loaded, Shang Chi had amazing legs. If venom gets a chinese release then its over but if it doesn't it might be much closer. Pretty good since venom and carnage are A listers and Shang Chi is a D lister

Pretty much

Bayformers to fast to venom

Bass_X0 posted...

They wouldn't recast Chadwick Boseman so they went with Letitia Wright instead.

If they're going to recast an actor due to the actor not being able to return for their role then they may as well recast Black Panther as a male actor.

They aren't recasting T'Challa because they want to respect Chadwick who died

Leticia does not have that kind of respect, she can be replaced

Idris Alba as Black Panther

Killmonger at the end of black panther while removing a sword from his chest: "bury me in the ocean, like my ancestors who knew death was better than bondage....but yo get my multiversal variant to rule y'all, he'll do a great job"

SIayer_22 posted...

Yes, a good way of respecting Boseman is making someone who is against the vaccine(thus, against something Boseman actively was putting towards fighting) the lead.

That is a weirder way to respect him.

I'm the one that said just recast her, no multiverse, ed norton style and give it to new shuri. No need multiverse, no anti vaxxx, simple

SIayer_22 posted...

You don't have to go through or into it.

You have a weird idea of how all this works my dude.

Because getting someone to rule your nation FROM ANOTHER UNIVERSE is such a normal idea

Feige and Coogler said this movie is to pay respect to Chadwick, weird way of respecting

SIayer_22 posted...

A mediocre movie carried by good actors doesn't mean much.

South Park is an Oscar(for the movie) and Emmy(for the show) nominated series. So what? What do nominations even mean? That some big wigs part of a dumb committee said a movie was good? Lol.

And yes, that is a nice solution.

It's dumber than strange opening the multiverse to hide peter's identity

I can't even think of an in universe reason how or why Wakanda would need to go through the multiverse

Might as well have Bucky be the new Black Panther, seeing as we are now ok with people who have no connection to this Wakanda

Enjoy your solution to everything: open a portal to another universe, easiest thing to do for every problem

Why stop there. Might as well get an alternate universe Shuri too since the actress is problematic.

This isn't paper and ink, this is a sequel to an oscar nominated film

SIayer_22 posted...

You're being very narrow minded, and also ignoring the direction the MCU is already going in(multiverse stuff is now in the MCU canon).

And who tf said he'd be a new T'Challa? They could just have a version Killmonger. Is that the only two ways you can see this happening?

Infinity stones were a big part of the last few phases but aside from the tesseract never invaded iron man/captain america movies. The mystical side of the mcu won't fit in every story

Yes multiverse is a thing but it isn't a solution for everything.

I feel like this multiverse idea falls apart once thought is put into it. I know we don't want Leticia Wright but this aint it either. Black Panther was the most successful non avengers comic book movie of all time, more so than any spiderman, iron man, xmen movie.

Good luck convincing those people about the multiverse. Dr strange and the multiverse of madness dreams of being succesful as black panther. It also kind of shits on the race of wakanda

Shuri: "Thank you Dr Strange for opening this magic portal. We as a nation realised that we are incompetent and could only produce one guy worthy of ruling and thank you New T'Challa, who looks like my dead cousin that tried to kill us, for coming to our universe, leaving yours behind to rule us"

Or

Shuri: "Thanks to the power of vibranium, we were able to travel to another universe, grab another T'Challa who looks like my dead cousin to rule us seeing as our nation is too incompetent to produce one person to lead us"

Ryan Coogler isn't doing this...

SIayer_22 posted...

M'Baku was incredible in BP, Shuri is anti-vax and not capable of carrying a movie. Not even that interesting in her movie, even.

Give us man-ape as the Black Panther ffs. Or bring back Michael B Jordan. Idk, something.

Yeah about michael b jordan (what if spoilers)

i think what if established killmonger is a dick in more than just one universe but I am against multiverse replacements in general

Srk700 posted...

I don't think she's a good enough actress to be able to take on a leading role in a film

If they're going to use an existing character to take on the lead role, they'd be better off with Lupita Nyong'o taking the lead.

I agree but Shuri has thr source material backing her as the next black panther.

I fear after this movie, the black panther side will be pushed into the background. More side appearances than main movies.

I was against it at first but I think recast Tchalla is the way to go, would love to see him marry storm

PatrickMahomes posted...

If they didn't fire her when her crusade began, they won't fire her now, especially at a time where the Wakanda side of things will need consistency at a time where they still seem to have no clue where they're going with it.

Can't speak for disney but I believe in giving people a warning and hoping they can change their ways but being a repeat offender is bad, time to take action, recast her. She's done nothing for you to be loyal to her

They should recast her and give the recast the mantle if they are commited to not bringing back tchalla

Zikten posted...

Fire her already

She might be the next black panther lol

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/covid-vaccine-mandate-hollywood-1235026178/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Last year she was posting anti vaxx material on social media, got called out and stopped.

Seems like she continued on the filming set of Black Panther 2. In the comics her character took on thr black panther mantle