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Literally the same picture

why is the audio quality so bad, it's distracting

why is this your gimmick

I will never pretend to understand what people are into.

Some are good, some are not.

BlockAddition posted...

*Image*

is that supposed to look exactly like Mark Zuckerberg? Because it does.

vegy why do you do this to us

HylianFox posted...

Nope. Instead they were all clones of just one guy.

Because creativity.

Gotta admit, as silly as the "Entire Army of Boba Fetts" plot angle was, it was still a better choice than what the EU did.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

That movie is so weird. It's a comedy yet they make the tone the movie to be serious.

Wait, which part of it was serious? Even the darkest, most dramatic one (with Liam Neeson) had a lot of humor to it. Dark humor, but definitely humor.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I loved the wagon train one too. Basically enjoyed them all except the final segment

I completely forgot about that one, but now I do remember kinda liking it. Had a lame ending, though.

Punished_Blinx posted...

The name 'Clone Wars' sounds a lot more wild than what we ended up getting.

The original EU take on it was pretty fucking crazy. People ran around with clones of themselves, and the clone would have like, the same name as the original, just with extra vowels in their name. For example, Luke encountered a clone of himself later in the story named Luuke Skywalker. People speculated that Obi-Wan was a clone because they thought maybe there was an Obi-Two. It was fucking bananas for like two decades before episode II came out to explain what they actually were.

Findin' trouble, never lookin' too hard. Well back at class, they never taught us this: some things you gotta learn hit-or-miss.

Tough times; hard climbs! (We'll take 'em on together)

Right now, let's go...!

FL81 posted...

I always found it mildly amusing that in the whole OT, the Clone Wars are mentioned exactly once.

They're mentioned by Leia and then by Luke. Same scene, sure, but at the time the Clone Wars were just some kind of mysterious conflict meant to give Obi-Wan a veteran backstory.

Octans posted...

Netflix was absolutely both cashing in and helping to drive the hype train. It's not stupid at all. Red Dead was one of the most anticipated games of the decade.

More likely it's just a coincidence. Westerns come out every year.

DarkRoast posted...

I love the idea of this verbose, singing moron just meandering around and leaving devastation in his wake.

It's an absurdly charming premise, honestly. I think the segment lasted just long enough to make it perfect.

GameGodOfAll posted...

I've been meaning to watch that for like 3 years now. Just never do. Should from what I heard.

Like any anthology set, it has its ups and downs, but I'd say the ups are good enough to offset the downs.

g0ldie posted...

I liked the first part of the movie, and while I don't think the rest of it was bad by any means, it didn't do anything for me.

Buster Scruggs and then James Franco were the two best parts. I liked the one about the miner, too. The one with Liam Neeson was...dark. And the last one was kinda forgettable, apart from the ending.

Lol thinking Buster Scruggs is "the good guy." He's just charismatic enough to seem that way, but nahhhh lol

UnfairRepresent posted...

arg?

Alternate Reality Game.

Though, I don't think Five Nights at Freddy's counts as one in the traditional sense. It's mostly just a large franchise that keeps adding more stuff to the lore between games.

CyricZ posted...

Because he destroyed a planet that he knew didn't have the Rebel Base.

Okay, but to assert that this was somehow outside of his directives, you'd have to come up with a reason to suggest as much. Some hint of friction, some slight indication that Tarkin was making the decision entirely on his own. The destruction of Alderaan wasn't even slightly controversial on the Empire's side of things. We didn't get the first hints of Imperial dissention until The Mandalorian showed us a few characters who were ex-Empire. For the OT, there was no suggestion of gray morality among the death star crew. The film did not deliver any sort of shaded political message in that scene. The message of that scene was "The Empire is fucking evil, and this is why you should hate them"

Any shades of nuance to the Imperial ranks came later. They even intentionally cut the scene in Return of the Jedi in which one of the imperial officers tried to delay the destruction of the forest moon because they had their own troops down there. It was a whole subplot where they were supposed to destroy Endor during the battle, but there was finally some gumption from the ranks.

But that got cut, so within the original trilogy there is absolutely no suggestion that the Empire contains any people who aren't willing participants in the Emperor's evil shenanigans.

hockeybub89 posted...

Maybe you should just stop being entertained rather than jump through hoops to avoid taking any of it seriously, since you disagree with a driving force of the production of art through human history.

"Everyone just wants to stare at pretty colors and hear nice sounds, and these intellectuals want to beat us over the head with message. I'll show them by smugly enjoying their art and telling them to shove their message up their ass."

Stop being entertained? Why would I do that? I enjoy entertainment when it's well crafted. Stuff that tips the balance into being preachy becomes something I would say is not well-crafted, though.

Your attempted distillation of my point is a little too snarky, but it's not entirely inaccurate. I do get some sense of joy out of enjoying art without caring for its political message. It's a way of expressing agency and personal power, you know?

This artist created this song to 'teach me' about something political, but I'm just gonna listen to it as a piece of music and continue to do the exact thing the artist is telling me not to do.

hockeybub89 posted...

You seem pretty preachy by essentially advocating that people shouldn't take art seriously. That's not very open-minded and neutral.

I'm literally making a statement with my own voice right now. I'm not creating an entertainment product. This discussion pertains specifically to entertainment products being used as a platform to spew political stuff that people otherwise wouldn't care about.

It's fine to preach out of your own mouth, because then people can easily ignore everything you're saying. When you mix your preaching into an entertainment product that has other redeeming qualities, such that people will 'tolerate' your preaching just so they can experience the rest, it becomes a balancing act of: "How much preaching is too much? What can I get away with before I start losing people's interest?"

CyricZ posted...

I think you're over-committing to the idea that Tarkin's duties involved planetary destruction.

He was literally chosen to be the top commander of a planet-destroying super-weapon. His mission was to locate and destroy the planet upon which the rebel base was located. So yeah, his duties absolutely involved planetary destruction. How could you possibly infer that they didn't?

hockeybub89 posted...

You seriously think every artist throughout history only makes statements with their art so faux intellectuals will praise them?

Do I think that's the sole driving force? No.

Do I think it's a significant factor when the artist is being particularly preachy? Yeah, I sure do.

Intro2Logic posted...

But that's just the point I've made. It's not that Star Wars doesn't have politics, it's just that you choose to ignore it and dismiss it as silly.

Star Wars' politics are particularly flimsy, though. I ignore it in most things, but in Star Wars it's especially easy to ignore. Because it barely exists in parallel to anything in the real world. Star Wars isn't like Elysium, in which there's a very, very clear political message of "Rich people have unlimited resources but are still jerks to poor people just because they want to be"

hockeybub89 posted...

"I'm the real intellectual because I ignore any time art acts intellectual" certainly is a take. Making a statement is literally a core of art.

Ignoring the statement is literally a core of enjoying art.

One of my favorite things is that song by Nirvana, "In Bloom," in which Kurt Cobain basically cries for 4 minutes and 14 seconds about how a bunch of Nirvana fans don't pay close enough attention to the meaning of his songs. It's like he's trying to tell people "Bro my lyrics mean things, don't just think of them as catchy songs, pay attention to my ART" and most people just kept right on not caring.

If you're producing popular TV, music, etc. you should probably expect the vast majority of people not to care about your personal political takes on shit. Most audiences aren't looking to be preached at, and they don't care enough about your inner turmoil to really dig into the precise 'meaning' of your lyrics.

It's the reality of producing entertainment. People want cool, catchy, fun, colorful stuff to experience. The political shit takes a far, far back seat on the plane to the rest of that stuff.

CyricZ posted...

Now who's trying to pull threads that aren't there.

We can make certain assumptions based on the Imperial command structure. Tarkin was sent by Palpatine to oversee and command the Death Star, which I'm sure included protocols and guidelines as to precisely how the Death Star should be implemented. There's never any indication that Tarkin has gone rogue or made some kind of radical decision within the context of his service to the Empire.

Vader never comments on the Emperor's disapproval, none of the other officers or crewmen take any issue with it, etc. etc.

So we can, based on the context of the film, safely assume that destroying Alderaan was well within the range of Tarkin's assigned duties. There's nothing present within the material to suggest otherwise.

CyricZ posted...

Was the Emperor the one that chose to destroy Alderaan?

Tarkin pulled the trigger, but you can bet he had the Emperor's approval to do so.

hockeybub89 posted...

I sure hope you don't listen to music with lyrics beyond whatever gets played in TikToks or clubs.

Is this the part where you tell me how 'deep' music lyrics are? Lol, you act like I've never encountered art before. I elect to ignore most silly political statements in media (be it music, tv, movies, etc.) because I know where it's coming from. When somebody uses a popular platform to make a political statement, they're just casting their random intellectual chum into the waters so the other faux-intellectuals will latch on and make a big deal about it.

Meanwhile the rest of us--who don't give two shits about what George Lucas or Bono think about politics--can just enjoy the material produced for the rest of its aspects. I don't deny that there's a political message in a lot of movies/shows/songs/etc, but I choose to ignore that aspect because I know it's there, I know where it's coming from, and it doesn't affect me in any meaningful way.

hockeybub89 posted...

You consciously want to deny the obvious political statements

I continue to assert that none of the "political statements" in Star Wars pertain to any one political administration or ideology (apart from, as mentioned before, 'evil is bad,'). You can fish after-the-fact examples out of interviews or post theories from bloggers all you like, but the fact of the matter is that the source material itself has no overt political biases or leanings.

Hell, maybe the Empire would have been a good thing for the galaxy if it hadn't been controlled by the Star Wars equivalent to the literal devil. There's no direct comparison between The Empire and any currently existing political party or administration, simply because nobody on planet earth is quite as evil and as powerful as Palpatine was. If it's a metaphor, it's childishly heavy-handed, and if Palpatine is supposed to represent a real person, then he just...doesn't, lol

hockeybub89 posted...

Maybe you're just incapable of nuance.

Your supposition has been noted, assessed, and subsequently it has been thoroughly disregarded.

Intro2Logic posted...

Let's be honest about what's happening here: Gobstoppers12 liked Star Wars and purposefully puts blinders on regarding its politics (dismissing the obvious parallels that have been pointed out repeatedly ITT) because the dissonance of having his views criticized by a property he likes would be too much to bear.

I still like Star Wars, and any political parallels present in the story are vague enough to be taken as in-universe rather than as overt political statements about the modern world. Maybe it's just subtle, but in this case it's so subtle that it's easy to ignore and doesn't have any impact on my enjoyment of the films or their story.

So...If it's as intensely political as some of you make it out to be, it does a terrible job of expressing it, and is therefore a better series because of its inability to hammer in the statement it was (supposedly, according to some of y'all) trying to hammer in.

So...I love Star Wars. It's my favorite entertainment franchise in history. There's nothing that beats it.

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On that same note, "Space Nazis are bad" isn't exactly a spicy political take. It's hard to call it political just because the villains of the series are modeled after actual villains in history.

ellis123 posted...

Rockstar almost exclusively makes right-wing games

Ar....are you sure...?

hockeybub89 posted...

Notice how no one ever swears off GTA games for being heavy handed social commentary.

inb4butheyattack"allsides"

A sense of neutrality is important, actually. You mock the "all sides" notion, but it's important not to single out one 'side' of things if you actually want an audience to feel good about playing the game. Shows like South Park and American Dad understand this, and they have a roughly equal share of jokes poking fun at the right and the left. Same with King of the Hill. Meanwhile, TV shows like Supergirl completely miss that part of the equation and spent several episodes preaching about how bad Trump is (stopping just short of actually saying his name)...even though Trump isn't even president in that universe, and probably doesn't even exist at all.

It is possible to have political themes and make commentary as necessary without singling out one side or the other as being objectively 'wrong' in the context of the story. Some people have figured it out, but some others haven't.

CyricZ posted...

Well I was hoping for a named example.

Hope is important. It keeps dreams alive.

This is either fake, or it's very, very discouraging with regards to the future of the human race lol

hockeybub89 posted...

Why do you have questionable views on LGBT people then?

My views are reasonable and respectful.

hockeybub89 posted...

It must be so hard living your life

Nah, it's a minor annoyance at best.

CyricZ posted...

When was the last time that happened to you?

It's been a while. I don't buy trash indie games anymore.

TheOtherMike posted...

No one is making you buy any game you don't want to.

True, but it's hard to know if a game is going to be preachy until after you buy it.

hockeybub89 posted...

People need to stop saying "escape from real life" when they mean "escape from what I see as Western leftist political views".

Nobody wants to spend money to be preached at by somebody who thinks they're smarter than they really are, though.

Zjusjia-h_da-4 posted...

Youre still you.

Zjusjia-h_da-4 posted...

you dont know who you will be or when you will be. You could be a random passenger on a crashed commercial airline. You could be an Other. You could be a member of the Dharma Initiative. You could be someone else who somehow got to the island such as the real Henry Gale

Huh

Meh.

Whose alt though

Zjusjia-h_da-4 posted...

Or would you stay in your current boring life

My current life isn't boring

It's a great show.

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CE will forever be FREE

FortuneCookie posted...

I think celebrating America's loss in Vietnam is going a little too far with his politics

I really don't think he's "celebrating America's loss"

C

CyricZ posted...

Yeah no one ever said that Lucas' political theming was all that well done.

Just feels like people are making a lot of assumptions and extrapolations based on tiny tidbits. Some of these "Star Wars is actually a criticism against American Republicans" theories are as wild as the "Ash from Pokemon is in a coma" theory, and they seem to be based on the same amount of factual evidence.

FortuneCookie posted...

It's a reference to the positive response the War on Terror received among Republicans.

That doesn't feel direct, nor does it feel like it references the Bush Administration. At the time, the War on Terror had something like a 90%+ approval rating in general. I think maybe you're twisting reality to suit your perspective rather than taking things as they actually are.

FortuneCookie posted...

George Lucas has done a lot of offensive things. He gave a helmeted space-dictator a virgin birth.

I also did some research into Nien Nunb's origins, and I saw absolutely no indications whatsoever that he was "modeled to look vietnamese." By all the sources I've seen, he was just one of many creature molds created for RotJ, and he didn't even initially have a speaking part until George Lucas decided to have him co-pilot with Lando later in production. So what is your source for making such an outrageous claim to begin with? Just speculation, or...?

FortuneCookie posted...

I never said he was a master craftsman. Or that I fully agreed with him.

It kinda seems like you're saying a lot of things that just don't add up or make sense from an unbiased perspective. You're gonna need to justify some of the random stuff you're saying. References, direct quotes, stuff like that...because from where I'm sitting it kinda feels like you're just hitting me with your own theories or speculation rather than actual facts.

FortuneCookie posted...

Nien Numb, who blows up the second Death Star, is also modeled to look like a Vietnamese individual.'

BRUH do you have any idea how fucking offensive that sounds? Also, his name is Nien Nunb, not Numb.

FortuneCookie posted...

The line in Episode III, "So this is how democracy dies.. with thunderous applause," is a direct reference to the Bush Administration.

She doesn't say "Democracy," she says "Liberty," for one. For two...in what way is that a 'direct' reference to the Bush Administration?

FortuneCookie posted...

Either way, Georgie-Boy is 100% anti-Republican.

The political messaging within the movie itself is very much anti-evil, not anti-Republican (inb4 somebody who thinks they're more clever than they are comes in with a "what's the difference lol"). Pro-Democracy, not anti-conservative. If George Lucas thought he was making a movie to criticize Republicans in particular, then he utterly failed. In catastrophic fashion. Because what he made was a space adventure series with famously black-and-white morality, where you're either good or evil, and it flips all-or-nothing like a binary switch.