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ThePusher posted...

your naming differences in the movies. im asking you how the plots are different

darkseid not being in the movie has little to no effect on the plot

Gobstoppers12 posted...

But I'm sure if I listed all the ways it's different, you'll hit me with a "but it's still the same," so something tells me my time is better served doing literally anything other than that.

Did I call it or did I call it?

ThePusher posted...

i promise to acknowledge if theres any major plot differences pls enlighten me

Cyborg's father sacrifices himself in order to reveal the location of Steppenwolf's stronghold, which leads directly to the scene within the mother box which Cyborg has to overcome. The promise of being reunited with his mother, his father, and his human body. None of this happens in the Whedon cut.

The Anti-Life equation is revealed to be on Earth, and this is why Darkseid decides to involve himself, but this is never mentioned in the Whedon cut and Darkseid doesn't even make an appearance.

The Whedon cut has some kind of goofy blue's clues situation where Batman keeps randomly finding images of the mother boxes. On random bar walls, in the viscera of exploded parademons, etc. It's silly, makes no sense, and didn't need to happen.

The Flash is revealed during the Superman revival scene to have the ability to reverse time if he runs fast enough, which comes into play later.

The heroes fucking fail. The boxes converge together. They explode across the entire planet. Even Superman is vaporized. Then we see that The Flash is the last one standing, on the precipice of oblivion, and he resolves then and there to run as fast as he can to reverse the calamity.

Literally, without the Flash, the day was lost. Without Cyborg, the day was lost. Superman may have beaten Steppenwolf physically, but it took Victor and Barry's contributions for the mission to actually succeed.

Darkseid ends the film preparing his armada to invade the earth personally. Keep in mind he wasn't in the Whedon version at all, whereas he's the entire driving force behind the plot in ZSJL.

Also, in Whedon's, the parademons have this Saturday morning cartoon thing going on where they pounce on Steppenwolf because he shows fear or some nonsense, whereas in the real story he gets taken down personally by the combined efforts of Aquaman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. They sent his severed head through Darkseid's boom tube as a hell of a message.

ThePusher posted...

pretty similar yea

tell me the plot differences in the whedon and snyder cuts pls

There are more than you must think, if you're saying this. But I'm sure if I listed all the ways it's different, you'll hit me with a "but it's still the same," so something tells me my time is better served doing literally anything other than that.

ThePusher posted...

steppenwolf wants to fuse 3 boxes together and the justice league has to stop him

its the exact same plot lol

Bad guy wants to fuse multiple ancient items together and the superhero team has to stop him.

It's the exact same plot as Infinity War.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Batman Returns is better than BvS btw

I'm gonna have to fiercely contest you on this point. Batman Returns is a true disaster on every level.

iPhone_7 posted...

The DC Cinematic Universe Snyder films are bad.

I disagree strongly with this statement.

lolife67 posted...

Bruh, Whedon didn't plot, story board or come up with the main story beats himself. You can not like his changes, that's fine. But blaming him as though he made the film from scratch is dumb. Nobody could've salvaged this based in the stipulations.

He didn't make the film from scratch, no. That's true. But the things he changed made the film significantly worse. If he had just taken Snyder's scenes and cut two hours out, it would have been a weirdly paced affair, but it would have been much, much better than what we got from Whedon. Whedon is responsible for the bad jokes. He's responsible for the Russian Family. He's responsible for the lack of Darkseid in the final product. He's responsible for Superman saying that being dead felt "itchy and so, so weird."

He's responsible for useless Flash and useless Cyborg. He's responsible for the eye-scorching bright red tone of the final act. He's responsible for a lot of the dumb stuff that was in the Whedon cut. The good stuff from the Whedon cut is the stuff he changed the least from the Snyder cut, but everything is a bit different from top to bottom because of the change in music. The whole score was replaced. If you don't think music is a major component of a film, then I dunno, dude. If you count the musical changes, it's more like a full 90%+ of the film was changed outright.

lolife67 posted...

Again, he had to cut 2 hours out so it wasn't his own film, period. "A lot" wasn't reshot, actually. He didn't do an entire film from scratch.

He didn't just cut two hours. He cut two hours and then completely changed the two hours that were left. He rewrote Steppenwolf to be a crazy person who worships boxes instead of being a disgraced warrior of Apokolips trying to use the boxes to garner favor with Darkseid and return home. Cyborg barely says anything at all, but when he does, he says "Booyah"

There's an entire subplot in the Whedon version that focuses on this weird Russian family that's just kinda...living near where Steppenwolf is gathering the boxes. I get the impression we're supposed to care about them, but there's no reason for them to exist at all. Whedon literally added several minutes of running time to service a plot thread that did not need to be there.

The entire scene of Bruce and Diana arguing about bringing Superman back to life wasn't in the original. Bruce randomly decided to go on some Tony Starkian spiel about how science is meant to do wondrous things or w/e. Everybody told jokes. The Flash was rewritten to not only be goofy, but to also be grossly incompetent and pretty cowardly.

The Flash's character arc in ZSJL is about coming into his own, finding his place, realizing that he is absolutely one of the earth's most powerful heroes. In the Whedon version, The Flash's arc is to...be scared, then push a truck. That's more or less how his part in the story ends.

In the Whedon version, Superman shows up and basically single-handedly solves the entire problem while Batman stands on a ledge and basically cries. In the ZSJL, Superman died like the rest of them when the Mother Boxes synchronized and exploded, and only The Flash was capable of saving them all and giving Cyborg the power jump needed to break into the Mother Boxes and force them apart.

Speaking of mishandled characters...Cyborg in the Whedon cut was just kind of there. He didn't have a real character arc. He didn't have that huge, impactful character moment. He never said "I'm not broken...and I'm not alone."

You can make the argument that if you mute the audio and turn everything black and white, you might not be able to tell the difference between certain scenes in the Whedon cut and certain scenes in the ZSJL, but even then...tons of them are definitely reshot with wider angles, brighter lighting, completely different sets, etc.

There are huge differences. I'd say around 35% or more of the 2 hour Whedon cut was actually completely new footage shot by Whedon, with another 50% or so being Snyder footage that was tweaked or redubbed in some way. Pretty much ALL of the original music was replaced, too.

lolife67 posted...

You'd be very wrong. Whedon got a 4 hour film and was told to cut it down to less than 2 hours, as well as "lighten it up." Thinking this was the same film he'd have made all on his own is both wrong and stupid.

Part of it was recut. A looot of it was completely re-shot to be more of a Whedon film. Dialogue changes are absolutely everywhere. You can literally see from a bunch of scenes (Most notably when Lois and Clark arrive on the farm, and when Cyborg is on the ground after dealing with the motherboxes) in the Whedon version that the lip syncing doesn't even match up in the slightest.

lolife67 posted...

Right. TC is acting like this was actually a Whedon film and not a recut Snyder film.

Did you see both versions? Because I'm betting you didn't. A very large portion of the scenes in Whedon's cut weren't actually in the Snyder script at all. Whedon added tons and tons of awful dialogue, rewrote existing scenes to be "funny" instead of, you know..good...

And he literally wrote Darkseid completely out of the film for no reason at all. At least one scene of him should have stayed in.

If you have any doubts about how different it all really is, watch both movies back to back. You'll see that most of the core plot is the same, and a lot of the action is the same, but I'd be willing to bet less than 20% of the Whedon cut's dialogue is actually from the Snyder Cut. They're two insanely different movies on almost every level, from the dialogue to the CGI to the music, and to the story in general.

If you don't have 6 hours to spare (and I can't blame you for not wanting to waste 2 hours watching the Whedon cut), you can watch this ~25 minute video instead for a pretty good rundown of what's different overall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uemtKijCHyQ

BlackBlueButts posted...

Whedon has always been a hack. He's still running off his buffy high where everyone is a snarky quipper and tries to "subvert expectations" badly.

I think Whedon's style works well when he's the one who created the characters. It's when he tries to copy and paste his style onto somebody else's characters that it becomes a real problem.

We're out of my wheelhouse, here. I haven't seen these episodes yet. I should get on that soon.

It's hard to imagine that's even possible, with how many jumps actually require you to get a running start for height's sake. Hell of an impressive feat.

dancing_cactuar posted...

They're pure shit.

Gonna have to answer you with an extremely strong disagree, there.

ThePusher posted...

yea thats one of the better scenes too

Ohhhh, I see. I see what you're doing. You almost had me going there, for a second.

Axiom posted...

wow, this made the pronouns in bio people big mad.

This is where american politics are at. Gamefaqs shitposts made by actual political groups

Just remember, most of these brands (including political groups) just hire a "hip young social media influencer" to handle all their social media presence.

It basically all started with Wendy's, and now every brand has a sassy memer in charge of their Twitter account. Clearly the Texas GOP got one of the really edgy ones.

This topic is my favorite topic today.

Axiom posted...

Ultimate Batman v Superman is the worst DC movie of all time with Man of Steel being the second and Whedon had no part in them

Very false. Those are both high-tier movies. Even if you absolutely hate Snyder, I can't imagine a world in which either BvS:UE or MoS are considered worse than Batman Returns.

ThePusher posted...

at least whedons cut looks like a movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EVfxwA_J_4

but at least it "looks like a movie" lmao

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The space squid works great for a comic book from the mid-to-late 80s, but I do think it was smart to drop it from the movie for aesthetic and sensibility reasons. I also think it's smart to tie Dr. Manhattan into the final plot. It makes his existence even more consequential, and it actually serves the narrative by expanding on exactly why it was necessary to show Manhattan having a public meltdown on TV before 'dropping the bomb' as it were. After his outburst, it would be fairly easy to convince the world that he had gone rogue.

Also pertaining to the various civilian subplots that worked their way through the pages: while they work great in a comic book because the panels zip by, if those subplots had been in the film it would have dragged waaaayyyy too long.

In my personal opinion, anyway.

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's less garbage than the original, somehow, mostly from dropping the space squid subplot.

I think the original comic is a classic and tells a very interesting (and complete) story...but I also think it's a product of its time, and the movie does a great job of cleaning up the plot and making it laser-focused on the main characters.

DB_Insider posted...

But why?

He just likes that ratio. He said he fell in love with it and wanted to do the whole movie that way.

DeadBankerDream posted...

I meant his DC movies.

Watchman is garbage too, though.

Big plot twist:

Watchmen is DC.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Watchmen holds up.

Watchmen holds up beautifully, and so does the Ultimate Edition of BvS. And Man of Steel, too, if you ask me. All three of the DC movies have been amazing when you actually get the Director's Cut, and not the "cut 30% of the plot-relevant scenes from the movie and hope it works" studio cut.

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Whedon was basically confessing that he knows almost nothing about the DC heroes. He turned Batman into Tony Stark, made everybody argue and bicker like it's a Marvel movie, and turned Steppenwolf into some kind of lone psycho who worships the boxes instead of just using them as a tool to please Darkseid.

The fact that Whedon's cut tried to make Steppenwolf the "ultimate conqueror" in the first place is fucking laughable. No mention of Anti-Life, no mention of Darkseid, no nothing. Whedon just straight did not know what he was doing.

Like...he's the one who chose to make Steppenwolf look stupid. He made that decision at some point. If you watch the scene from BvS Ultimate Edition where Luthor gets the message/image of Steppenwolf from the Kryptonian computer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayD06iaPJ50

At about 0:23, we see Steppenwolf. Clearly it's the same design as what we got in Snyder's Justice League. So, somewhere between BvS and Josstice League, Joss Whedon had to sit down with the CGI team and say "You know what would be even cooler than a full-body suit of segmented metal armor that flexes and interlocks to suit the situation? Generic-ass chainmail with a stupid-looking hat"

And then he shows them this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/8/AAFUDuAACyKA.jpg

And then they actually fucking did it, the madmen.

DB_Insider posted...

Snyder cuts still bugs me. Why there black bars left and right of the screen

It's just the aspect ratio. Doesn't take long to get used to it.

Superman has like, hyper-advanced photosynthesis that's even better than regular photosynthesis because his version of photosynthesis lets him have laser eyes.

Like, my god. When you compare the dialogue, the lighting, the team dynamics, the design of Steppenwolf, the...just...ridiculous decision to change the final battle to some weird bright orange/red filter...the Russian Family, the absolutely useless Flash and Cyborg, the wimpy/quippy/Tony Stark "science is amazing" Batman, the toothless final battle with no real tension or stakes...

Like, how do you get the script for Zack Snyder's Justice League and turn it into...Josstice League? Like...I know it was a lot of studio meddling to make it funnier and more like the Avengers films, but holy shit. Not only the awkward comedy, terrible characterizations, forced drama, and mutilated CGI upper lip...but the music.

Why would blowing up a Parademon make a mother-box-shaped impression on the wall? Just...why? Why everything?

Dakimakura posted...

All I know is that the chick who played Knives was super hot and didn't even really look like a high school student so I guess that kind of softened the blow.

That's because she was like 25 when the movie was made.

Prestoff posted...

I just can't stand Michael Cera

Yeah, I haven't liked him in a single movie. Not even once.

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At least it was this way as of the last report we saw. This past quarter has been...let's say...pretty fucking rough for Activision Blizzard.

Doom_Art posted...

You're not replying because you're all busy watching it rn, excellent

that's not why

DepreceV2 posted...

Im shocked that its actually making sells. Im afraid to ask this but how much is a typical NFT?

Really depends on the one you're after. The ones that make headlines sell for hundreds of thousands (if not millions at this point) and they're absolutely useless as art pieces--but they have the most hype, even though they're just randomly generated jpegs with basically no actual talent involved in their creation.

Others are a lot cheaper, but they're still just...imaginary ownership of an easily-reproduced computer file.

Ruvan22 posted...

It's easier if you are a guardian druid

I'll show myself out

You get back in here and you take your reward:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_easOFGduw

Pepys Monster posted...

I only have $450 to spare after bills and food are paid.

So save $200 of it each month and live lean. You'll be glad to have some savings in the future.

DepreceV2 posted...

And companies think people will but this garbage?

They buy it because it's the latest get rich quick scheme. You buy low, sell high, and make sure that you shill as hard as humanly possible to get other people to buy NFTs, thus inflating the market and keeping prices high while you sell all your assets and leave somebody else holding the monkey jpeg.

Slayerblade11 posted...

Two dogshit exspansions in a row

This is what finally got me. Times used to be that a bad expansion had a good or at least "decent" expansion to follow it up. Now that we're in the dark times and Shadowlands is somehow even worse than BfA in every measurable regard, I at last decided it was just too much disappointment to bear.

DepreceV2 posted...

So it's like Crypto pictures?

That's almost exactly what it is, except for one thing--it's not the picture itself, it's like the "certificate of ownership" to the picture, except most of the time it actually doesn't give you legal ownership of the image.

You've been infected with the cardboard virus. You may wish to consult a doctor before all of your skin becomes cardboard.

Hayame Zero posted...

BotW and durability.

I'd say BotW had several flaws, but durability was the one that actively hindered my enjoyment of the game the most.

Prototype 2 was actually a ton of fun, but randomly swapping to a different main character, thereby ruining Mercer and turning him into a generic world-domination villain, really took the punch out of the experience.

Diablo 3 at launch was insanely fun, mechanics and control wise, but the loot system was intentionally terrible in order to facilitate more use of the Real Money Auction House.

Health posted...

Why do people post this kind of thing instead of addressing the point TC makes?

Because

RevivedPacifist posted...

Generic ass post I know

He already knows what he's doing. Why should I address the post?

8+ year old account? Yeah.

Less than a year of karma? Check.

Four active messages? You know it is.

Whose alt?

Money, please.

I definitely lost most of my investment after Endgame. There are still a few characters around that I care about--Doctor Strange, Thor, and Vision being among them--but most of my investment in the overarching plot came from Captain America, Iron Man, and Thanos. Now that they're gone, I'll need a pretty big reason to dig back in.