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Fluttershy posted...

i don't mean kiddo insults either, i mean like, actually talking and explaining stuff. thought i should clarify.

You're cute!

you're reprehensible.

So this is a no? *sigh*

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Fluttershy posted...

I could see why parents moved up to using tools so their hands wouldn't suffer

hahaha did they try words oh my god your whole family is like this.

You're cute! (call me)

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ExtremeLuchador posted...

Wasn't this the guy who made a 25-page thread complaining about getting fired from a call center job for repeatedly breaking the dress code?

No

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Is it wrong that my parents spanked me for not doing school work when it never changed my behavior? And that all it did was prevent a proper investigation and solution into my behavior?

At that age, they were undeniably in the wrong. But before that, I couldn't say. I have zero context, I don't know how difficult of a child you were. There was a time when I found my spanking was less and less effective. Since I insisted on using my hand, it got to the point where I was hurting my hand more than their butt hurt, which would liner in my pinky finger for hours. I could see why parents moved up to using tools so their hands wouldn't suffer, but in my mind, that was when it, to me, was ineffective to continue punishing my children in that manner. And thus, a new punishment was born. You can't keep doing the same thing for all 18 years of a child's life. As a parent, it's up to you to adjust as your child adjust and becomes a baby, a child, and a young adult. If you're rigid and can't evolve with them, you'll be seen as archaic when they are older and they will not want to know you.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

It's hard not to. I had good and bad in my life and I wouldn't trade the good, but man my entire childhood was a failed experiment.

It isn't a failed experiment if something good came from it. :D

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

99% of children don't do anything bad in the grand scheme

But we're not talking about the good ones, correct? We're talking about the ones deserving a spanking as a last resort, something good children wouldn't come to on 97% of their days. Even then, if it's completely out of character for the child, why would you need to resort to spanking them in the first place? It was obv a bad day and it would be short sighted of said parent to suddenly spank their child.

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Put it this way, Fluttershy, we've been having an very good debate over this topic for about 2 hours now and you suddenly show up and feel insulted after a single comment. Maybe you thought you were on a topic about Kuwaii UwUs or something?

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Fluttershy posted...

i mean, you obviously took me seriously enough to get angry and throw an insult my way. lol @ you. but either way is fine with me -- just don't try to bullshit. it's insulting to the intelligence of everyone who has to read it. thanks.

Funny, I didn't mean it as an insult so much as a sarcastic dig at your not-so-secret fetish, but if you want to be insulted by it, that's on you buddy :D

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Fluttershy posted...

you also boink stuffed ponys when you're not online, so....

kinda sounds like i hit a nerve there. maybe don't be so full of shit in the future, yeah?

Not even, I just don't and won't take you seriously. Stay Golden ______

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Or they just become adults.

We're talking about children that need to be punished, not good children that have no reason to be spanked, right?

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

They could also get spanked and be viewed as fuckups instead of anyone looking into why they keep not learning their lesson. Or, in extreme situations, they just turn into violent criminals. I've never read about a serial killer or mass murderer who was spoiled rotten by overly friendly parents.

Also, if a kid is smart enough to start a power struggle, how is spanking them going to scare them straight? Sounds like they have already been raised to be devious fuckers and they'll just dial the phone the moment you smack them around. I don't know if saying we kids need to be spanked to wipe away that smugness is a great argument. They likely aren't doing much that is actually destructive.

The child you're describing has never been spanked in their life and also doesn't fear the parent. You can't spank a child that refuses to be spanked. They have to submit to the spanking, forcing the spanking falls into the "beating" category.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

They could also get spanked and be viewed as fuckups instead of anyone looking into why they keep not learning their lesson. Or, in extreme situations, they just turn into violent criminals. I've never read about a serial killer or mass murderer who was spoiled rotten by overly friendly parents.

Also, if a kid is smart enough to start a power struggle, how is spanking them going to scare them straight? Sounds like they have already been raised to be devious fuckers and they'll just dial the phone the moment you smack them around. I don't know if saying we kids need to be spanked to wipe away that smugness is a great argument. They likely aren't doing much that is actually destructive.

No, the unspanked go on to become the rich predators that don't take no for an answer...

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Fluttershy posted...

I could literally go on about the type of adults that were obviously never spanked as children.

strawmen are free. my sister was the worst person in the world and she was spanked as punishment. look, i did what you did with less words.

you also boink stuffed ponys when you're not online, so....

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I'm not addicted to gambling, I just like being broke after my paycheck.

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Did it hurt?

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Societal hypocrisy doesn't make it a bad analogy. If I can't hit an adult for making a mistake, then I sure as shit shouldn't be able to hit my kids. It's like saying we shouldn't mutilate a child's body, but circumcision is necessary.

I have had troubles with reacting to things violently. It took me a long time to get it under some sense of control and it's absolutely because of me being hit as a child.

That's horrible and I'm sorry that was even a thing. But if you one day find yourself a parent and your child, smart as they may be, begins to understand that you can't really do anything to them, they begin to get the upper hand at all times and at that point, a power struggle ensues. The dynamics of the house hold shifts when a child thinks they are above their parents, and even worse, that they can call DHS any time they feel like they don't like what mom and dad does. This kind of child can turn into an adult that doesn't do as they're told (by the people that are supposed to tell us how to behave) and therefore when their freedoms are compromised (jail time) they may find themselves over reacting to the situation (being aggressive or dramatic, or both) and thus finding themselves in solitary confinement and with worse charges added to their docket.

The same people throw tremendous fits at fast food when service isn't fast enough. Or throw fights to arresting officers when they are clearly driving intoxicated. I could literally go on about the type of adults that were obviously never spanked as children.

The best way is a little bit of both ways. The tough love was too tough and the soft love is too soft.

This isn't porridge, but I'd be damned if they don't have a lot in common.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

Most people aren't actually consciously afraid of breaking the law. They just understand why the law is there and what the consequence for breaking it is and so they follow it. But if tomorrow, laws stop mattering? Most people wouldn't immediately start killing their neighbours, because it isn't actually the law that holds people back. The law is there for the people's safety because admittedly, there are some who would otherwise commit heinous acts. Such as ol sausage man up there having an apparent desire to hop into a truck and raid the villages.

CE knows I'm in love with the idea of cannibalism. I'm not allowed to defend it on CE, tho. Just know I'd bring the Kahn back in in style.

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The best punishment, hands down is embarrisment. In arkansas, when I was growing up, if you got caught stealing from Wal-Mart, the judge would sentence you, on top of the normal probation and fines, an alternative to going to jail: Standing outside the store you shop lifted from holding a white sign that read front and back "I stole "______" valued at "______" from this store" for a set duration of hours (like 60). If this happened more often, there'd be less crime in this world.

I apply this concept to many lessons I teach. Standing you in the corner while singing made up songs about why you shouldn't do what you just did for hours will do WONDERS on a child

I got this idea from a cop that played "baby shark" to 4 in mates for 5 hours straight as a punishment, then got sued by them for torture and psychological punishment.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

You're a lot like me, and that's exactly why I'm so upset about corporal punishment in that other topic. I felt like my entire childhood was wasted by my parents and other adults not knowing what was up with me. I resent that I didn't know I was autistic until my 20s. My disability was confused with a character flaw.

I didn't find out until I was 33, imagine how I felt knowing how many things in life I could have changed by knowing this and how many things would've been different for me.

But we are who we are and our past helps us make up a part of that. That's why I'm not fighting your opinion, but rather trying to express mine without offending you. There are other streets, our parents and others, chose not to take them. All we can do is make today better and not dwell on the past, as living in the past never puts people far into the future.

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NoxObscuras posted...

Making people fear the punishment is exactly how law enforcement works. Break a law? Pay a fine/sit in jail.

shhh, he thinks he's onto a new concept here "involuntarily innocent" lmfao

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BloodMoon7 posted...

Tagged as involuntarily innocent. Incent, if you will.

lol okay, you just coined a new catch phrase just for me

Thanks for labeling people. That's not a terrible thing to do, is it?

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I'm not sure how to respond to your comment TC.....

I have Aspergers and the difference between myself and others is that I lack a range of emotions that other people experience, giving me the perception of "black or white" as my options and views in life. It also can make me kind of a "my way or the highway" kind of person.

It also makes me factually blunt about anything I have to think or say. It also means I'm insensitive (natively) to feelings of softness or anything of the like. A lot of things are lost on me about how people act and feel, with many social norms flying right over my head and over my radar. Not much I can do about that, but it makes me socially awkward and difficult to near impossible to find friends or companions in life. It can make me seem incredibly obtuse at times.

But I'm incredibly intelligent and will fight anyone that disagrees with me on that, despite me being on the spectrum for autism.

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Good, leave it to me instead of them silver spooned brats.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Hit a co-worker for being late again and let us know the results

Very few things kids do are high stakes.

Also: bad analogy, spanking a child will not net you a felony assault in any of the 50 states.

also to BloodMoon7's statement: I plead the 5th

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Because your parents (your authority) terrified you. If you're going to argue that children are sentient enough for nuanced thought, then that kind of throws a wrench in the "kids don't know better and you need to have a last resort" argument. It's not like most people who got spanked stopped getting spanked at the age of 5. I was getting hit when I was 16 for not doing my fucking homework.

Your parents were not my parents and I am not your mom and dad. I see you are *really* passionate about this and understand that I too came from a *tough love* family. I am not my parents and the way that I applied spanking was over when my kids were 6 7 and 8. They're now 10, 12, and 13 and I haven't spanked them in about a good 6 years. I just understand why a parent would use it and should use it if they have no other option. It's not the best choice, but sometimes the best choice isn't available.

Please, I'm not your enemy.

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joe40001 posted...

No, ugh, that's just wrong on like 8 different levels and not what you said:

You said:

Which is wrong. You also said:

Which is moderately accurate, but goes against what you said before which was:

And this is inaccurate. The butterfly effect is a separate concept from multiverse theory.

ah, so me not being entirely accurate (by omitting words rather than outright being wrong) but later clarifying my understanding is what set this off. Well, at least know that I understand both concepts and I wished to apply them both for the benefit of the conversation?

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BloodMoon7 posted...

That sounds like a problem. You should obey laws because you are civilized and educated about why the law is there, not because you're afraid. If you're afraid of the law, it defeats the purpose, laws are there for your safety.

Screw that, without laws I'd be a Raider Mad-Max or Fallout style. Don't speak for everyone when you tell me how I should be. This isn't some perfect world were everyone is the same and we're all hive minded.

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KeeperOfShadows posted...

Indeed, but you have to remember that moderation doesn't exist on CE. Either you don't hit your kids at all, or you're throwing full-force haymakers to their jaw. There are no tamer spankings here.

Well said.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

If you fear your parents, then they utterly failed as parents

Stop changing my words (to fit your narrative). I said I fear the law and respect authority.

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KeeperOfShadows posted...

So Earth is uncivilized?

Damn right it is, but strangely enough, getting my ass beat when I was a child raised me to be fearful of the law and to respect authority. Now I translate that into a more acceptable punishment for 2021 and viola, we got ourselves a bare palmed spanking that people accuse you of "hitting" people with. The skin of the modern snow flake is quite thin, I don't think they'd survive the traditional spanking, much less the tamer version I've adopted.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

And yet you think it would be ok to hit kids

Either a kid is too young to understand anything, or old enough to be spoken to and punished in non-corporal ways

Which dystopian colony are you from? I'd like to move there, I hear it's perfect all year round!

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joe40001 posted...

You are getting your terms mixed up.

What you said was not chaos theory. The "Chaos" in Chaos theory relates to the mathematical concept and not Jared Leto's joker.

But I did say that, without any mixup. Mathematically speaking, whatever can happen, will happen.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

If you wouldn't scare your wife, then don't scare your child.

I'm not my wife's guardian, nor her keeper....

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KeeperOfShadows posted...

Who have you ever heard describe spanking children as "a good thing"?

It's not a "good thing". It's a last resort that will scare your child but will correct their behavior if used effectively.

Also: I used the word "reasonable", not "a good thing"

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Bad_Mojo posted...

No, it's not

It is, trust me, if you've got 3 kids under the age of 7, ruling with as a dictatorship and calling all shots until they are old enough to think for themselves and have common sense and enforcing those rules with practical warnings and ample chances to redeem oneself is perfectly okay to take the next step when all other options are exhausted. Apparently you've never thrown a fit in the middle of Wal-Mart and had your mother tell you there's a thousand switches between the store and home and she'll use everyone of them on your ass unless you straighten up.

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joe40001 posted...

That's not what the butterfly effect says. That's just regular multiverse theory. The butterfly effect is a different thing about small influences on chaotic systems.

You're not taking that and applying it to the multiverse theory tho. Obv if you crumple a leaf, many things could happen. Chaos theory says that the worst WILL happen. Butterfly effect suggest that a bug squished on a london sidewalk could have an effect on the population of birds in New York.

Multiverse theory applies all of this and says it's happening, every variation from bad to best is taking place.

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beating your kids is wrong
spanking your kids is reasonable
the fear of spanking should be enough for any child to behave.
every parent is different, using corporal punishment as an excuse to release stress or anger is not.

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The butterfly effect suggests there are infinite versions of you living various yous throughout the multiverse, from terrible to awesome.

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your life could be "ruined" based on the fact that you deeded one time instead of giving life to the richest man on the planet one day

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darkprince45 posted...

Most Ive won was 600 from Buffalo. My wife won 2.2k once on it too

BUUUUUUFFALLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOO

*eagles scream*

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I get to meet The Rock as well?

No, you're in 2 separate rooms with glass paneling separating you. both of you stick your arms through a hole in opposing walls leading into a glove where a smaller glass chamber houses the actual "arm wrestle". May be best arm win.

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Windows 11 has a neat built in Night Light feature that's works like your blue light filter on your monitor, giving you another level of easement on your vision during low light computer sessions.

Probably the only -real- feature I like tbh, without having to find one that does similar on the internet.
Plus it's supposed to be faster at loading games then windows 10, so I imagine it will be the defacto windows OS for serious pc gaming.

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monkmith posted...

so wait i've got a boyfriend in this scenario? and he's been cheating on me?

No, the song was just for flavor lol, the context is in the title silly :D

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How does CE proceed from here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkSmLh2Hbi0

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Steal the one from your one and only friend in life

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Well... TPM module, yeah.

but windows 11 comes with a cool night light feature that dims your colors at night tho

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I'd take it, he's such a nice guy he's probably let me win and keep the $100

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Questionmarktarius posted...

something something microchips, something something surveillance

changing the computer's genetic sequence and modifying it's natural immunity?

I think we're getting warmer already!

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Or am I just seeing things?

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