Lurker > pogo_rabid

That's your perspective. From my perspective, you obfuscate of what the tech actually does to make it sound more impressive than it actually is. I get that you're a tesla driver, you like your car and you want other people to think the same way, but you're not helping your case when you have to misrepresent the technology to others.

Is it impressive? Absolutely, cars from all the major manufacturers do incredible things that wouldn't have even been imaginable 15-20 years ago, but don't think for a second that tesla is the only brand that has some secret sauce not available from other manufacturers.

That's all i'm gonna say on the matter. I'm sure you'll scoff at this post and think it ridiculous because from your perspective you'll think it's untrue, and just handwave it away. Then down the road we'll go through this same process again in another thread about tesla. Immovable rock/unstoppable force style.

Either way, it is what it is.

CableZL posted...

Other cars don't do that and you know it.

pogo_rabid posted...

All tesla did was take the same established tech that was out there and wrote software for it to operate in a different way

Since we're just repeating the same things over and over, lets just end it here. We've both dug our heels in and honestly this is boring/pointless. We'll just have to recognize we won't come to an agreement on this.

CableZL posted...

In other words lane assist keeps the car in a lane as it travels down a highway.

Yes, it also keeps the car in a lane in the parking lot, recognizing parking space markings as a place to park using the same tech, but a different operating methodology when it switches to "parking mode" from "driving mode".

It uses the same crash avoidance systems it uses on the street to recognize occupied spaces from free ones.

It uses the adaptive cruise control to move about the parking lot at speed.

All tesla did was take the same established tech that was out there and wrote software for it to operate in a different way.

EDIT: And mind you, VW group had been testing that same kind of features years before tesla ever deployed it, but they didn't package and sell it in the same way tesla did because of legal liability/straight up not getting approval from governing bodies. Tesla just yolo'd it, ate the fines and used the customers as beta testers for an unproven product. All for the sake of making a name for themselves. It was an irresponsible, and honestly dangerous play for them to make.

No. Lane assist uses machine learning to make the car aware of it's place within a space via known lane widths and cameras recognizing road markings. Just because a car isn't on a road, it still uses the same exact method to operate within a parking lot, it's just using a slightly different algorithm to use that same exact tech to achieve a different outcome.

I fail to see how those extra features are not just derivatives of lane assist and crash avoidance integrated with gps.

And Mercedes has been doing speed limit sign recognition since 2008, with it being integrated with their adaptive cruise control in more recent years. GM's supercruise does the same thing.

https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko/Speed- Limit-Assist-Electronic-image-processing-system-detects-speed-limit-signs-as- the-car-drives-past-them.xhtml?oid=9361557
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/6/AAd2inAACwUo.png

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Sounds like you just really hate Apple.

You should calm down a little bit.

I hate any company that is anticonsumer/anti right to repair, and design their products to be nonrepairable by the customer. Not only is this anticonsumer, but it contributes to the global e-waste problem by a massive margin. I'll stop once they stop their bad practices.

These multinational companies are not your friends. I will never understand the mindset people who go to bat for them because they like the product the make.

CableZL posted...

No, you're just wrong and you want to stick your fingers in your ears.

No, you're just repeating the same misinformation over and over hoping that people eventually believe it's the truth.

I mean, if it works for donald trump, it can't be all that bad of a strat. I'm not biting, however.

CableZL posted...

Tesla's autopilot is more than just lane assist with adaptive cruise control. This has been explained to you before, but you don't seem to want to understand.

No, you failed to convince me otherwise last time. It's those features, "glorified" because it's integrated with GPS that detects road signs.

Again, this is tesla marketing selling the system as something it's not and people like you are drinking the cool aid because you're deep down the rabbit hole of being on team tesla.

thronedfire2 posted...

the problem is, when someone fixes their own Tesla and fucks up some automated system and causes a crash, who gets sued? Tesla or the person who fixed their own car?

You're implying that tesla is the only auto manufacturer that has these systems. Their "autopilot" is just glorified lane assist with adaptive cruise control and crash avoidance which is found on the majority of major brands as options. Hell, cadillac has a more advanced system on their high end models in the form of supercruise. Tesla just markets their "autopilot" solution as something that it's not.

With Mercedes, GM, Lexus, ect.. that all have these same systems, you can just buy the parts straight from the manufacturer, install them yourself in your driveway if you want, and there is zero issue.

Yes, it's just like apple's retried certified repair center program that was hailed as one of the most anticonsumer by right to repair advocacy groups. The current situation is so bad that it spawned a whole underground tesla part trading ring, where they strip wrecked teslas for parts and repair them on the downlow so tesla doesn't find out and remotely disable features on your car because you replace parts like a suspension bit, or a body panel, then hold your car ransom behind a 5 figure "recertification fee".

Until you can roll up to a tesla service center, ask for a part, pay for said part, and roll out with that part without having to go through any sort of bullshit...again, just like how every other auto manufacturer does with electric or ICE cars, you're not going to convince anyone that a turd is not a turd.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Here comes the stereotypical Apple/tesla hatewagon

@ me when tesla dumps their extremely anticonsumer/anti right to repair stance and starts selling parts to third party shops/private parties like every other manufacturer out there so people can repair their own shit. Until then, the company can go fuck itself.

darkprince45 posted...

strangely. It says Tesla ranks 1 in customer statisfaction

Apple could put out a super shitty iphone and it's cult of customers would report being extremely satisfied with it as well. That type of customer has a high overlap with tesla.

You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, and to pretend otherwise is just you being disingenous or lying to yourself.

Pepys Monster posted...

There's a storage space under the hood, instead of an engine.

Not in all teslas

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/4/AAd2inAACwUI.jpg

Not surprising
https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/tesla-ranks-lowest-on-j-d-power-2020-quality-study/

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-reliability-model-s-3-x-y-consumer-reports-satisfaction-2021-11

topix

Strawberry

Tim Dillon was on his podcast a little while ago and "nicely" called joe out on so much of his bullshit. I only saw some clips, but it was wonderful.

Unknown5uspect posted...

It's a technological marvel for the time. The engine is cool ass Lotus designed V8 with 16 intake runners. I'm into that kinda shit.

At the end of the day it's just a mid 80's post CARB v8. Sure it may have been advanced for it's time, but these days it's just an uninteresting, inefficient hunk of metal.

Now, if you took a super clean C4 shell and put a modern LS/LT (something like a Texas Speed LS3 or LSX 427), gave it modern coilovers, ignition, and fuel system...maybe with flex fuel so you could run both pump gas, E85, and race gas, i'd be all over that. But at that point you're 50 grand into the project, and there are so many better cars you can get for that money.

Smallville posted...

why do you say the c8 is a better car though?

It's a more advanced chassis that gives a higher performance baseline. Not saying the FR layout is bad (just look at the Mercedes AMG GT Black Series), but an MR layout offers better balance and rotation. It's an inferior layout for drag racing, where you want a good amount of weight over the front so you don't wheelie at higher horsepower numbers, but as a track car/road car, an MR layout will generally give you a more nimble and fun experience.

Also the fit and finish of the C8 is leaps and bounds better than what the C7 offered. It's a much more enjoyable place to be in.

The c8 is a better car, but it'll eventually become a 20k used based model corvette.

The C7 ZR1 will always retain it's value because it's a collectors car. Now, in a few years when the ZR1 C8 comes out, that thing will be an absolute monster.

The leaked list has been accurate so far

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/3/AAd2inAACwTL.png

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/8/6/AAd2inAACwSm.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/8/7/AAd2inAACwSn.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/8/8/AAd2inAACwSo.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/0/AAd2inAACwSq.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/2/AAd2inAACwSs.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/3/AAd2inAACwSt.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/4/AAd2inAACwSu.jpg

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Didn't The Rock already hate Vin Diesel before that post? I remember him calling Vin a candy ass while filming his last movie.

Yeah they havn't liked each other in ages. Basically the studio tried to push Vin out of the franchise and replace him with Dwayne.

Only the first 3 movies were good in the F&F series...back when it was about...you know, cars and street racing, and not some generic action movie bullshit.

I ate 2 8in and a 5in pancake yesterday. I was fucking stuffed by the end and had to force myself through the last 25% or so.

Cleo_II posted...

What if you were making $400k but every other company in the city offered that too and you lived in the freaking Bay Area where the cost of living is astronomical. And you had people messaging you daily wanting you to work for their company. You guys are thinking of this through your own personal bubble and not looking at the bigger picture.

Maybe it was fine when everyone was commuting every day and were already out and about. But these devs have had it cushy for the last 2 years working in their jammies.

It's a developer for a phone app...and not a unique or remarkable one at that. They can be replaced instantly. It's not like they need the cream of the crop talent to write this kinda stuff.

CableZL posted...

I could understand the argument against this if the C-level executives weren't doing it and the lower level employees all had to do it...

But if even the CEO is doing it, the engineer can get over him or herself and do it, too.

Almost every software developer/engineer that i've worked with has been at least a little bit of a prima donna, at worst they're self important asshole who thinks their shit dont stink.

Fuck em

Hopefully they're prioritizing hospital beds and care to patients who had the vaccine instead of giving them to antivaxxers.

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I'm using an xbox controller, so no. If I had a full on setup I would, but honestly you don't really get the same feel of slipping the clutch with these things anyway, and i'm not sure it even works in game, it's either on or off. Same thing with doing left foot braking. It doesn't really translate into game that well.

Talk about dogfooding

EDIT:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/8/0/AAd2inAACwJI.png

It already pushed me three times to increase the difficulty from default, so I guess i'm a good driver. Also, I don't plan on doing multiplayer races any time soon while there is stuff on the map to unlock.

Here's a video him him fighting with bailiffs in the courtroom at his bail hearing

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/suspect-in-wilton-manors- hit-and-run-crash-bond-court-scuffle/2650462/

spaced the link because gamefaqs is stupid

the game slaps

Just bought my first car
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/7/8/AAd2inAACwJG.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTC8UPPkyHM

gunplagirl posted...

If you're looking for a long-standing FC that does some raiding stuff, I can send you an invite. The chocobo alliance is one of the highest ranked FCs on the server and strangely I'm the longest enlisted member. In operation since early access for ARR.

Awesome, thanks, yeah i'll join up if you'll have me. my ign is pogo gogo

Yeah good idea. I was thinking of looking for a savage raid focused one earlier, but you make a good point, plus they may want to go a bit more nolife than i'm comfortable with.

So I think it's about time I join a FC, i'm at the endgame grind rn and just farming rep until more content comes out. Not sure the best way to go about finding one. Guessing going on reddit or something is for the best?

Oh i'm on aether/sargatanas

eston posted...

Would you like a cookie

Nah, you keep it. You clearly need it more than I do.

Actually, share half of it with axiom.

If I see a topic on CE that I don't like. I keep scrolling. I don't elect to participate in it.

FortuneCookie posted...

Part of me wishes the parents could get a hold of them before the cops do.

<_<

Something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6l5-Rup-D4

https://www.wpbf.com/article/south-florida-hit-run-kills-2-children-injures-4/38628269

The piece of shit drove around a schoolbus that was unloading kids. They found the car, but the driver is still missing. If there's any justice in the world the driver...well, I dont wanna get modded because it's against the TOS to wish harm on someone.

He's just mad that he's associated with a series that jumped the shark and instead of being remembered fondly, it's a joke, and by extension, he's a joke.

Remember LMFAO? What a flash in the pan that was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8

I believe some airstrikes are in order.

holy shit am i hungover

No, but fuck the CCP and I wouldn't put it past them.

EDIT:
The reason why I dont' think they did it is because as a result of them shutting down and the global supply chain suffering for it, a metric ton of manufacturing has moved out of china to surrounding countires. No way china would want that

omega cookie posted...

You eating cheese right out the bag?

it's all i had

it's kinda crazy to think that gura, ame, and ina have never seen another person who works for hololive irl before, not counting video calls

Irony posted...

The only people that eat non original flavor are people that eat their steak well done with ketchup.

Patently false and unamerican

pegusus123456 posted...

Triscuits have the consistency of floor tile and taste like a dog treat you find under the couch

The consistency is great. It's substantial and has great crunch that lasts through the entire eating process unlike saltines or water crackers that turn into much the moment they hit saliva

*mush, not much