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Nothing to be sorry about - just figured I'd offer up some BGs stats if anyone needed. I haven't played constructed in a few months - keep thinking about getting back into it but just haven't wanted to I suppose. Maybe after the patch. Also, I have noticed I seem to do better in EU than NA for BGs and I'm not sure why.

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Was mostly referring to the BGs stats - which are somewhat useful in places and not useful in others. As for the BGs patch, Nicholena (who got a preview of the changes) said that the data mine is partially accurate, but not fully accurate and is missing a thing or two. Based on the leaks though, I think the changes are generally quite good. I do think mechs may need a preemptive nerf though as without one they will be very strong. Once doomsayer and leaper aren't as oppressive, the new most hated card is going to be Mecherel.

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I got the paid stats from HSReplay for 1 month since I was in a couple of tournaments. If anyone has any questions or wants specific data over the next couple of weeks, feel free to let me know.

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I'll probably post a fuller analysis later, but for now I wanted to say that Arm Mechs was already the best climbing comp and it just got better. There is going to be a ton of it on ladder to start.

LiquidOshawott posted...

Pupbot honestly makes a level 1 Deryl strategy interesting

I thought of this, and since Deryl has always been my favorite hero I'll be trying it, but I don't think you can pull it off because you don't see enough minions at Tier 1 to make it work well. I think what it does do is enable Deryl to take on more of the delayed level curves (Jeef, Rafaam, Shinese, etc.) with perhaps some power.

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I went with murloc shaman for the quick pack.

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CasanovaZelos posted...

Phoebe Bridgers - I Know the End
R.E.M. - It's the End of the World as We Know It

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MartinFF7 posted...

forgot about the game until i saw #choke trending on twitter and that told me everything

the good news is, due to the Leafs & Oilers incompetence, we are guaranteed locked-in for our Cup Semifinal matchups

Winner of Colorado/Vegas is guaranteed to play the winner of Winnipeg/Montreal
Winner of Carolina/Tampa Bay is guaranteed to play the winner of Boston/NY Islanders

And the left-side team is guaranteed to be the home team in those matchups

Vegas will win after Reeves brings a gun to the ice during game 4 and murders 2 Avalanche players. He'll get a 4 game suspension and DeBoer will still say Reeves is the cleanest tough guy in the league.

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This was from before the last MMR reset:

https://twitter.com/IksarHS/status/1371263095432040450

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Was waiting for the MC analysis. First Day of School seems likely and a good choice. I'd love to see a Hysteria nerf, because that card is poorly designed and is a menace in Arena. Interested to see if Tickatus is nerfed or not. I'm guess no, but a lot of speculation seems to be leaning towards yes. Warlock is already in a bad spot and needs help. The biggest buff Demon Hunter could get is Paladin being nerfed.

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azuarc posted...

In battlegrounds or on ladder?

Constructed.

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KokoroAkechi posted...

oh there was a FULL rating reset for BGs. I thought it was just going to be like people really high up

It was both an external and partial internal MMR reset.

Quillboars are so busted right now oh my days.

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firaga89 posted...

Had the most filthy opener in arena I've maybe ever had, and legitimately felt bad about it after it happened.

https://hsreplay.net/replay/du63gYq4gTyhu8TCe2sAPo

That was disgusting. Well done.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

That's fantastic! Congratulations

Thank you! Was tied for 1st before the 5th game of finals but decided to go for the gold and take an Omu triple to 6. Got Kalec, but that turn Sunglitters got 2 triples (both taunt comp pieces) and did a lot of damage to me. Still, got a win in game 1 and am thrilled with 3rd. Alucard won - that guy is an absolute beast at BGs.

I think I have a lot to improve on with BGs, but honestly for some reason no matter the mode in Hearthstone I can only play 2-3 games at a time before I want to stop. Not a game I have found a desire to grind.

First Day of School seems like the best nerf target if one is coming. They did say they didn't want to nerf cards in the new battle ready decks, but the Pally deck has seemingly all of the high played win rate cards so either they nerf one or nerfs aren't coming soon.

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Placed 3rd in the Nicholena Moon Coin Invitational today. I went for the win in the last game of finals instead of playing safe, which cost me 2nd place potentially, but I don't regret the decision. Found early Kalec but had horrible fight RNG (in terms of who I fought) that caused me too much damage. Kinda shocked at some of the big names I was able to place ahead of.

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Microadjustments coming to Arena tomorrow as well as the removal of watch posts. Won't be sad to see the watch posts gone. Based on Blizzard's history (and general lack of knowledge with what to do with Arena) my guess is Demon Hunter and Priest become unplayable and Shaman becomes the best class.

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Turn 7 from a Mage:

Reduce cost of all spells by 1, Draw 2 cards, Draw 3 cards and reduce their cost by 3, Summon 14 1/1s with rush, Deal 5 damage, Summon a 4/4 taunt, Draw 2 cards, Draw 2 cards, Gain a mana crystal, Gain 2 mana crystals, Summon 4 2/2s, Deal 2 damage. 47 mana worth of cards.

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Ok, so this latest bug I'm having is really frustrating. You have standard selected - you can see your rank where it should be - but for some reason the game counts as casual and your rank doesn't change. Has happened a couple of times to me now.

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Congrats, FD!

I just started my constructed season today and haven't played too much yet, but some random things:

• I have drawn Deck of Lunacy a single time in a game. Thankfully playing Incanter's and burning face is quite good.
• Getting a 1/1 from Apexis makes me sad.
• Even in the dregs where I play everyone is playing the same 2 decks. Lunacy is obviously getting the nerf hammer - but what will they nerf in Pally?
• Speaking of, I continue to shake my head at the HS boomers who still complain about Demon Hunter (no skill, OP cards, etc.). For someone newer to the game, Paladin has been Tier 1 in standard and wild for nearly my entire experience and was tier 1 in Arena for the majority of it. The top 3 decks in the lower ranks are all Paladin decks. Secret Paladin has exactly 1 sub-50% matchup in the garbo ranks. That class is dumb.
• If you are playing Arena and get Priest you should be drafting every single Draconic Studies you see. The quality of dragons, especially in Arena, is absolutely through the roof with DoD gone and the Core Set in.
• Speaking of Arena - micro adjusts are going to be coming soon. Blizzard is going to do what they always do and make DH unplayable and buff a couple cards for bad classes to get them to be better. What they really need to do is, other than with legendaries, stop using the rarity of a card as the most important (and sometimes if feels like only) factor when figuring in offering rates. Why are class cards that happen to be Epics like Nagrand Slam and Warsong Wrangler in under 8% of Hunter decks yet Protodrake (which is better than Wrangler and slightly worse than Nagrand Slam) is in over 20%. Give classes in Arena identity so games don't feel so same-y (one of the appeals to the format) and stop putting the too-strong neutrals (Proto, Claw Machine, Magescribe, Far Watch Post) in 20-25% of all decks.
• In BGs, I would like to see them take the opportunity that adding Quillboars into the format gives to temporarily remove Demons (or perhaps Mechs) and give them a full overhaul. Also, for the love of all that is good add a damn PTR so we can playtest changes and keep things a bit more dynamic. I will say though that, while a lot of people seem to be down on this meta, I am having a good time and still find it so much better than the wretched spells meta.
• Lastly, participating in tournaments lately has been a lot of fun. Blizzard implement a tournament mode in all formats you lazy goons.

Don't want this to seem like a list of complains (rather than just discussion) as overall I'm enjoying HS lately.

P.S. Oh, does anyone know if golden packs (like the golden classic mega bundle) adhere to the guaranteed legendary in the first 10 rule? Not planning on getting it, but if it did then getting ~7500-8000 dust makes it not the worst value I've ever seen from Blizz.

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Made Finals of Nich's tournament with TeamAmerica. Wish us luck.

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Yeah I should probably use that deck (I haven't played a single game of constructed since the release came out) before the nerf since I have the legendary already and can maybe get some quick climb in.

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I'm just waiting for that juicy 3200 dust refund from my gold Deck of Lunacy that will surely be coming next week.

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For anyone interested in BGs - Nicholena's tournament is tomorrow and honestly may be one of the most competitive BGs tournament ever put on. Multiple leaderboard players (including 2 top 10 NA players) and streamers (Sunglitters, TeamAmerica, Slyssa) will be competing. It's a duo tournament where teams are split and results combined to determine finals - with finals being 1 part of the duo playing and the other can give advice. I'll be partnered with TeamAmerica. Honestly not getting dead last would be an accomplishment for me, haha. It's tomorrow at 3PM Eastern for anyone interested.

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CybrMonkey posted...

Got my first 12 win arena run of the rotation with a warrior.
https://imgur.com/a/1O0IJ8K
Outrider's Axe is so disgusting that I started keeping it in the mulligan even without any curve. 1/3 of my deck being rush cards helped with that of course.

Nice!

So while I've had wretched luck getting legendaries, I've had what seems like weirdly good luck getting golden cards. Did they perhaps change the odds of getting those?

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Yeah, I played languagehacker's version of Spell Damage Mage last month and did well with it, so I'm familiar with sending spells face. I doubt I'll go 12-1 with it, but I'll probably throw 1600 dust at crafting the epics I'm missing and see what I can do with it.

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I don't think you need too many minions to come back with N'Zoth for it to be a great play in Arena, and having minions with rush come back is really nice.

Speaking of Arena, it's early but it looks like new Ysera is close to auto-win territory at the moment.

I'm looking into making decks and I'm quite tempted by No Minion Mage as I opened a golden Lunacy on the first day of the last expansion. Trying to make a couple decks when the meta settles a bit without spending too much dust, and the enticing thing is a couple streamers I've seen have said they actually prefer the deck without C'Thun so that saves a legendary craft. There are only 2 10 mana spells in the meta (Nagrand Slam and Survival of the Fittest) so hitting Lunacy early is powerful.

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I'm still reeling from that disastrous 2 legendaries in 85 packs debacle, but does anyone have links for early decks? I saw the VS 30 decks to try day 1 link, but haven't checked anything out yet.

Also, this is probably a longshot, but Nicholena is doing another BGs tournament Sunday, and the twist is it's a duo tournament where you are in a different lobby from your partner, your points for how well you do in groups are combined to see who makes finals, and in finals one person plays and the other can give suggestions and such. If anyone wants to give it a whirl let me know.

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_stingers_ posted...

I just had the absolute most wild arena game. Please check this out, I can't believe this one

https://hsreplay.net/replay/UQnmZCSC2WdWcKhh8ah9Zn

I hate how your opponent played parts of that game, but good lord that's a ridiculous deck he has. I've drafted some decks today and nothing comes close to that. I'd say that's a 12 win deck, but lately you can't ever predict 12 because of how many 'I play this and win the game' cards are in right now. The amount of generation you had was wild! Honestly your deck should go pretty far as well.

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2 legendaries in 80 packs. 5 golden packs were all 4 common with 1 rare. Kill me.

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I just got in without any issues - that's bizarre.

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Camden posted...

I'm not sure if this is an actual thing you can do in the game or if someone just mentioned the idea once and it's now a thing in my head, but when you challenge someone to a game can you use one of their decks for the challenge?

I'm almost certain I've done that before. If you want to add me to test it, my BNet is Boxxy#11119.

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Emeraldegg posted...

How long before the season ends? Is it when the new set releases? Trying to save the gold for arena/duels runs untilt he new packs become rewards

Arena rotation will happen when the new set launches, and this is also when Arena should start giving new packs as rewards. If you start a run now and leave it at 2 loses/don't finish, you will get the rewards for whatever win total you are at plus an arena ticket, so it's basically a free run.

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I may have asked this question before, and if so my apologies, but I just want to clarify something before the update:

I'd like to actually make a good constructed deck or two (and maybe one in wild) with this new set releasing, which means I need to bank some dust. I have 3 of the classic legendaries that are also coming to the core set. I have some of the dragons too (dusted Ysera because I got the full 1600 for it, don't plan on dusting any others) but the new ones are quite different so not counting those. I have Natalie Seline, Grommash Hellscream, and Cenarius. IIRC Natalie and Grommash are staying the exact same and Cenarius is changing. When the core set launches will I get 2nd copies of the ones I already own? Other than playing Classic mode, is there any reason not to dust these cards since I'll be getting the new ones for free? I think Grommash and Cenarius are used in Classic and Natalie isn't, so maybe I keep the first two and just dust Natalie?

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Camden posted...

Sounds like someone won a bundle from somewhere.

I'm too cheap to buy one even at a ridiculous discount.

Cho is nice as a tell, but it's mainly so you can trade Oh My Yogg back and forth and get multiple attempts at lethal.

Oh damn, I've never hit anyone trying for it, and I didn't think of that. Hopefully I hit someone going for it again now that you've told me that. I wasn't really paying attention to the game as I was just trying to get my 5 wins and also try the old DQA.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Is there anyone who was interested in the Mega Bundle ($79.99) but weren't completely sold on the idea and would be more interested if it was discounted?

Sure, send me a PM with what you're thinking.

Also, just played some wild and hit a guy trying for the Oh My Yogg achievement. He had a Cho and played it before playing Oh My Yogg which I though was a creative way to communicating what he wanted. Unfortunately my spell didn't kill him.

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skullbone posted...

NGL those are some pretty weird cards to hate right now.

In Arena, both Arbor Up and Grand Finale basically just end the game when they are played. They both have played winrates over 70%. Right now the only 2 cards in all of Arena that have a higher played winrate are the 'I am playing this card specifically because it wins the game this turn' duo of Pyroblast and Bloodlust. The biggest problem, which is unfortunately quite common in Arena these days, is that they are in way too many decks. Grand Finale is in nearly 19% of Mage decks and Arbor Up is in nearly 25% of Druid decks. Getting that 1/4 chance at Arbor Up is basically the difference between a 3 win Druid and a 7+ win Druid. Grand Finale, if it isn't incredibly late in a draft with no elementals, is a near instant-pick over every single legendary in the game. Hysteria is just an RNG fiesta that I have seen be a 3-mana destroy 14 mana worth of your opponent's board. Mind control is annoying and can win the game on the spot, but it's also a 10 mana card. Hysteria can let you go from an empty board against an opponent with board control to removing your opponent's board and also developing a 7 drop.

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I'm glad to see they are keeping up with Arena rotations, and of course the core set is going to be a huge change. Now if they could just remove Arbor Up, Grand Finale, and Hysteria from the format that would be fantastic.

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Got 2nd place in Nicholena's BGs tournament today. Debating whether I should make a big MMR push on my main or just playing meme strats on EU.

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