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I didn't say it was enough. I said the scarcity wouldn't be as bad because you'd have a higher percentage of actual consumers getting the item in each drop.

Also you're making a lot of assumptions on what's "fair." Is it fair if they use a lottery system and scalpers cheat to get more entries?

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turbopuns3 posted...

At the end of the day, scalpers probably aren't killing it in the areas of empathy and selflessness.

Also at the end of the day, we're talking about people being denied luxury toys.

So it's all pretty "whatever"

Well, it's not so much "whatever" because scalping is a big problem in general. We've already seen it with shit like toilet paper and hand sanitizer. Sure, this particular item isn't important, but it's still part of a larger problem, and so the act of defending scalpers in any case is pretty gross.

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Colegreen_c12 posted...

It's actually in their best interest to only sell consoles to people that can afford to buy a lot of software (aka people who can afford to buy from a scalper) early on and then sell to the more thrify people a year down the line when their costs are down

This is making a lot of assumptions, such as assuming a lot of these scalper sales aren't desperate parents that are blowing their holiday budget on the console and thus buying less software because of it.

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Your "core problem" is flawed since it assumes:

A. Sony is purposely limiting supply to... Hurt their own profits?
B. Stores are purposely making it hard for people to buy the item for "reasons" when they've been outright making it known which days/times/etc. things would be available.
C. That we know such a large scarcity would exist even without scalpers when we don't have any proof that's actually true.

What we DO know:

A. Scalpers are buying the items in bulk and effectively cheating to do so.
B. This is having a direct impact on normal consumers and their ability to get the item at a reasonable price.

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Colegreen_c12 posted...

As a secret producers/retailers actually like there being artifical storages that they themselves create, it makes their product seem more valuable.)

Also this is just flat out wrong in cases like this where it hurts their bottom dollar. They're already selling the system at a loss, which they make up for in software sales. You can't get those software sales if people can't get the consoles.

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Colegreen_c12 posted...

The fact that one person can get a disproportionate amount of systems is a problem. Not the scalping in general. Realistically every online release should just be some form of lottery system with some kind of safeguard to allow each person to only get one. At that point if someone enters every lottery and wins say 5 consoles its not that big a deal

There are measures in place to stop it, but scalpers are creating scripts and shit to get around it.

Why are you bending over backwards so far to the point of suggesting receiving an item become even MORE difficult just to avoid saying "Scalpers are dicks?"

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Colegreen_c12 posted...

This only works if you have enough of the supply to actually create an artifical storage. If your withholding 1980 out of 5 million consoles you aren't creating an artifical storage.

It doesn't work that way because 5 million aren't for sale all at once. They get produced and sold in batches, and regular consumers have to try to compete with scalpers for them. The more you miss out, the more it's going to seem impossible to get one, and the more a scalper can charge.

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I'm very confused how you think the big problem is the supply from actual production being too low, but somehow don't think the fact that people are buying up all of those in droves to force people to pay a higher price to them isn't an issue.

Let's say there's 300 people that want a PS5, and a store gets 275. Yes, 25 people are going to go without one.

But then you introduce... Let's say 27 scalpers to the mix. And they buy 270 of those.

Now, instead of 25 people going without one, now 295 people went without getting one. Suddenly, the thing looks a lot more scarce than it is. And now, because of that, the scalpers get to sell them for twice the price or more, because they're creating a bigger scarcity than should exist.

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Colegreen_c12 posted...

Uhh no offense but does anyone have any evidence of this. I don't see why a scalper would sit on a product to sell later for a lower price for anything other than logicistcal reasons.

To reply to this post specifically, they're not sitting on it to sell at a lower price later, they're sitting on them to keep them "scarce" so more people are willing to pay the high price. If you have 2000, you don't put them all up at once. You put up 20, then another 20 after those sell, then another, and so on. You string it out. By doing so, you create an artificial scarcity which allows you to inflate the price higher.

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I mean that's literally how things like eBay work. You can't flood the market or else your price won't stick. It's why you'll see one sell and then the seller immediately puts up another after.

If people see 3500 PS5s on eBay at $1000 they're going to assume that's not a good price because there's so many available, which is going to turn enough people away to be a potential issue later.

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Colegreen_c12 posted...

Imo the problems are really that there isn't enough supply, and online retailers don't let out the systems in a fair way

So then why wouldn't you have a problem with the fact that scalpers take that already low supply and make it even worse? Scalpers buy up all the systems they can, then only sell a few at a time to keep supply low so they can get a higher price.

Production time is a legitimate reason for why supply is low. Scalpers just artificially make it even lower. And the fact that scalpers are competing with legitimate consumers means we don't actually even know how bad or not the supply issue actually is. For all we know, they could actually be meeting demand fairly well, but when you have scalpers buying hundreds and thousands of the things, how can you really tell? They could be creating a scarcity that might not truly exist.

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Say something controversial

Get reacted to

"Gotcha, you radical leftists!"

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masterplum posted...

Universal health care would immediately destroy the health care sector.

Why? I see this thrown around a lot, but nobody ever really says why.

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masterplum posted...

Ok that's just not true. Susan Collins and Mitt Romney are not fascists, just like Joe Biden isn't a socialist.

We talkin' 'bout Susan "I'm Sure He Learned His Lesson" Collins?

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So while it's not really politics but does fit in with the theme of gross misuse of funds, Time's Up spent a vast majority of the money they took in to pay themselves and take spa trips, and very little on actually helping anyone.

Good job, Hollywood.

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I'd argue there's a difference between something like this joke, which could be applied to anything, be it height, hair color, whatever, and jokes that specifically prey on racial stereotypes

Like, let's just not make/defend race jokes, because the chance of making a good, inoffensive one is extremely slim.

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SantaRPidgey posted...

On the other end of the spectrum, a good race/height/whatever based joke is based on truth, so it's not really seen as "offensive."

Oh geez Santa's gonna use this to wheel back around to defending the watermelon stuff again, isn't he

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Dark was originally cheating/dirty fighting, making Fighting the good counterpart, which is probably why there was never a light counterpart.

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Leonhart4 posted...

so don't play this off as some major disadvantage for the Steelers

To be fair, the Steelers already got their schedule fucked with once and lost their bye, so theyre already working at a disadvantage. This is just more schedule fuckery for things out of their control. Screw the Titans and Ravens. I mean, screw the Ravens, anyway, but

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Yeah, looking into it more it's based on the Mike Kelly case over the mail-in voting expansion, where they still haven't given a reason why they waited until now to challenge, so I assume it's not going to go anywhere.

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A judge just ordered a halt to PA's certification... After it happened?

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I hope everything ends up okay

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I have a little bit less sympathy for the mental health of people that HAVE to have large gatherings specifically on holidays because it's a lot of these people that didn't follow precautions and got us where we are in the first place. They created their own problem.

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Pennsylvania case already got shut down by third circuit. That was quick.

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Briex posted...

So in your world you can't give an opinion on a game someone is playing until they complete it. LMA COMPLETELY O

When it's literally a topic about them being in the process of playing that game, yes, you should probably be careful not to post about stuff they haven't gotten to yet.

Why is this hard

If you're dying so badly to give your opinion on something they haven't reached, make your own topic.

EDIT: Sorry Chris, I'm not gonna take over this topic, this'll be my last post on the subject.

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You entered a topic where the TC made it clear he was still in the process of playing the game, and now you're purposely being an ass, so... Cool, bye.

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Okay then you shouldn't be surprised when people think negatively of that

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If the person playing hasn't reached that part yet, just don't post details about it, period. That's just common etiquette and it feels weird this is being argued.

Like, just a quick "My bad" and this is done.

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Briex posted...

...or if you read the title.

There's no question mark implying he's asking for thoughts though

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Jakyl25 posted...

You can see the full unedited versions on Undertakers Cameo page

So what you're telling me is if I mute it at the right time and say my name, it's like he's telling me that he hears I'm quite the baseball player. And I didn't even pay $1000.

Suckers.

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Surely that first one had to be cut off or something, right?

"Your mom tells me you started a new school. She also tells me you're quite the baseball player. Okay bye."

Undertaker in Things Your Mom Told Me

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California doesnt hold anything up, though, so why does it matter?

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TheRock1525 posted...

I wouldn't mind seeing that.

brb starting OnlyFans

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

why does this matter? we can't ever discuss things that transpired in previous topics?

So let me get this straight.

You started a fight that was irrelevant to the topic out of nowhere because Ive made comments about you and Red Sox in the past, and not even recently

And you dont see the issue with this

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i legitimately don't understand what you're saying now.

you DON'T think all i usually do in these topics is attention whoring? then why did you say "like usual"? what does "like usual" mean?

Like usual as in when you start fights like this, as other people have referenced several times already.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

...why?

if you called me an asshole back in topic #3, it's totally fair for me to refer to it. just because something happened a long time ago doesn't mean it doesn't "count" anymore and we can't talk about it now.

Because I didnt attack you in this topic! You attacked me! You literally started this fight out of nowhere and refuse to say why! That is the entire problem!

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

no, that's not what you said. you said i "wanted attention like usual," as if the only thing i do in these topics is attention whoring. you didn't say "you tried to pick a fight with me because you wanted attention and this has happened at least once before.

...No? I specifically referred to that post.

HashtagSEP posted...

So why did you even make the post in the first place if it wasnt just because you wanted attention like usual?

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

wtf is this post? i said "yes, when i see someone being hypocritical in their attack on me, i need to point this out." not sure how you equate this to "i know i'm being ridiculous."

Except I didnt attack you. You attacked me. You literally started this. You attacked me over going to a different board. Youd have a point if I had attacked you over Red Sox last night or something.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

so because you didn't make those comments recently, they don't count anymore?

When it comes to picking a fight literally out of nowhere, yes, kinda!

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

lol

SEP: ALL YOU'VE EVER DONE IN THE PAST 345 TOPICS IS POST FOR ATTENTION
me: ...yeah, i'm done with this argument.
SEP: HAHA YOU DON'T HAVE A REASON I WON

making me stop arguing by insulting me and then claiming i stopped arguing because i have no reason is something. and then people say I'M being a baby.

This literally didnt happen. I said you tried to pick a fight with me over nothing because you wanted attention, and its not the first time youve done it with somebody.

Also you were insulting to me first so...

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Yeah uh theres no denial there

Also I dont think Ive said anything to Lasa about Red Sox in awhile. Ive made general comments about Red Sox here and there but uh

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i don't just throw around insults for no reason

Mr Lasastryke posted...

lol ok.

"wahhh someone called me out on my hypocrisy i can't handle it GOODBYE"

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So you admit you dont have a reason, cool.

Were done here.

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Because I just want to be clear and give you a chance, here.

You tried to pick a fight over me posting on a different board, and you seem to be admitting that you dont have a legitimate reason for why you did it, so why should I give you the benefit of the doubt going forward? If you can answer that, then, hey, water under the bridge.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

fuck off

Dont have an answer?

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

like i said, unlike you, i actually used arguments in my "bitching." and i didn't put anyone on ignore over this.

So why did you even make the post in the first place if it wasnt just because you wanted attention like usual?

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

itt reg and kevwaffles is "everybody."

and no, there's no reason.

You literally went out of your way to start a fight, and then you bitched when people didnt agree with you, and somehow Im the baby, here?

Grow up.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

unlike you, i'm actually using arguments in my "bitching and moaning."

Nah, theres a reason everybody called you out for your victim complex

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You picked a fight out of nowhere over me going to a different board, dude. And then you bitched and moaned like you always do AGAIN, and Im the one going wah? lol okay

Cry more

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

it's not. the hypocritical thing is that you argue with wang (after claiming you have him on ignore lol) while you've attacked me for arguing with red sox.

apparently you can have bullshit arguments all you want but god forbid i respond to a red sox post.

I didnt say I had wang on ignore. I said most people do if theyre also ignoring the others like him. I also dont currently have Red Sox on ignore. I take people off every once in awhile to see if they still deserve to be on it.

And right now you deserve to be on it, so goodbye.

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