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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

A complete ass whooping of a game that would destroy Rayman? This is basically confirming Nier > Pokemon

I hope you are right, but I don't know. I'm more bearish on Rayman/Celeste than others here, but I'm not very confident in Divinity either.

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xp1337 posted...

Larian (Divinity dev) has been around for a while and even landed Baldur's Gate III I dunno if I'd say they're indie.

Yeah Larian's been around since 1996. It's only indie if you use a very liberal sense of a word, in which case Obsidian would be indie as well, since they used Kickstarter too for Pillars of Eternity.

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Yikes. Not the result I was hoping to see tonight from Nier.

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CHANGE

30% on skyrim, nier parlay
15% on skyrim, mk8 parlay
15% on nier, pokemon parlay
15% on skyrim, mk8, nier parlay

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40% on skyrim, nier parlay
25% on nier, pokemon parlay

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Skyrim is not a bland mess.

What is with the internet thinking its cool to hate that game in recent years?

Witcher 3 + Fallout 76 got released.

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MechanicalWall posted...

As far as the indieometer goes Night in the Woods is gonna be pretty low, I certainly won't argue that.

Still, it's gonna take more than beating up on a Platinum stablemate for me to go 'damn Nier's crazy'. R2 can certainly change my mind!

I feel like HGSS has more to prove than Nier this round, since it relies on the assumption that HGSS is close to or at GSC in strength and that's a strong assumption, since I don't think anyone would think that FRLG is anywhere near RBY in strength. Blowing out fodder hardly proves anything as Doom has graciously shown us this round.

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Nier's performance makes sense to me in light of 2017 beasting this contest.

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Nintendogs posted...

The Yakuza characters were fodder, make no mistake.

Yakuza 0 looks very good here, though MGS5 also looks terrible.

They definitely were bad but Kiryu still finished ahead of Joker, Commander Shephard and Leon Kennedy in the xstats. And Kiryu suffers from Japanese Tanner syndrome.

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Yeah, TLoU's a narrative driven Western shooter, which is not a genre this site cares about. There's a clear ceiling for Western games that aren't RPGs.

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Sharinnegan posted...

dude Yakuza is legit after all

we all underestimated because the characters were fodder in these contests

Even the characters didn't even look that bad in the 2018 contest. And Yakuza is one of those series where characters suffer from "generic Japanese guy" syndrome that Ren Amamiya suffers from, so the characters probably underperformed relative to the game.

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Yeah, wow XC2 got screwed by bracket.

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FFDragon posted...

RE2 would beat ME imo tbqh

Whoops I meant ME2. And we'll see which one is stronger if they meet up this year, although 2015 ME2 is probably stronger than current ME2.

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ZeldaTPLink posted...

I see way more mention of Danganronpa around the internet than Zero Escape. It doesn't even come close. Monokuma is the kind of character that is instantly recognizable if you hang out in anime forums.

Danganronpa's definitely bigger in anime forums because it actually has an anime and Zero Escape doesn't, but I'm not convinced it's stronger on GameFAQs.

At the very least VLR kept Mass Effect (edit: ME2, not 1) at 79% in 2015, while Danganronpa 2 let RE2 break 83% on it this contest.

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Danganronpa has a more anime presence I guess, thanks to how much Junko cosplay there is out there, but I don't think the difference is that significant. The two series are both uber niche and are essentially tied to the hip, coming from the same developer and being very similar in style. Heck, the creators of Zero Escape and Danganronpa literally ran off together to make their own company and pump out more of these games.

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VLR should be very close to Danganronpa 2 in strength, so RE2's 83% on D2 is a good measuring stick.

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On the other hand, there has to be some limit to how good Xenoblade 2 can be. Wasn't that game very controversial?

We've seen voters punish games like FFXV and KHIII and I feel like Xenoblade 2 sort of fits in that same boat. I know Bioshock: Infinite's luster has worn off over the years, but being significantly worse than Xenoblade 2 of all things feels weird as well.

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Half on Dark Souls

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Completely agree with Greatone's point of 2017 being sort of a beacon year that you want to be close to. I think on the surface, it makes sense because BotW's success paved the way for Switch's success, but I think it goes deeper than that.

To me, the soul of GameFAQs is Japanese, as a result of the userbase growing up in the 90s when Japan dominated console games. While GameFAQs appreciates Western games, it always feels like it's kept at arms length to some extent and never fully embraced the same way GameFAQs embraces a Mega Man or a Final Fantasy.

The success of the Nintendo DS led to a large abandonment of Japanese gamers of traditional consoles in favor of handhelds and that had a huge impact on Japanese console games. Following MGS4 in 2008, Japanese console gaming fell into a "Dark age" where Japanese console games started having little cultural impact on the Western gaming market. Lots of big franchise sequels like FFXIII, RE6 and SS were seen as disappointments. During this era, Dark Souls was the one Japanese series that bucked the trend and was one of the few beacons of Japanese gaming. Many of the other great Japanese games at that time were on handheld.

2017, however, was when Japanese consoles games came back in a BIG way and GameFAQs can't get enough of it. The arrival of RE7 in January started the J-Rennaissance, when it became clear that Capcom is returning the series back to its roots after years of trying be a s***ty Gears of War clone. Then came Nioh, Zelda, Nier, Persona 5 and just a onslaught of great Japanese console games and as a result, this era is now seen as a Golden Age of sorts.

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Would that really be better though? 3D Zelda will still win the contest, but you now have 2D Zelda potentially making a deep run as well.

Just remove Zelda entirely and put it as bonus boss at the end or something.

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Historically, people seem to hate the "tag-team contests" since it concentrates power at the top and we get a bunch of fodder to fill up the rest of the roster. Series is games of a series teaming up. Rivalry is two characters from a franchise teaming up. Years is games from the same year teaming up.

That said, it could work I guess, since it's probably too early for CBXI. Although you'd need to remove Zelda from the bracket since it can presumably 60-40 any other franchise on this site.

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Witcher 3 is based on 2015 value, hence the asterisk.

And Persona 5 is based on getting 71.5% on AC: Black Flag, while AC: Black Flag got 56% on Civ 5. Meanwhile, in 2015, Dark Souls only got 66% on Civ 5, hence why Persona 5 is so high in the xstats.

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ZeldaTPLink posted...

About the Bloodborne rally, I don't think you can really blame the fandom for "wanting to win by more" or something like that. The reddit user who created the rally post, Hiei, has pretty much made rallies for every match of round 2, usually at the start of the match. Whoever they are, it seems they have decided to rally every single pick in their bracket. And at the time when the rally was posted, it wasn't clear if Bloodborne was actually going to win.

Now what is remarkable here is that the Bloodborne fandom totally got into the train, unlike in the other rallies. Wonder if it has to do with a characteristic of that fandom. Then again, when our Mr. Hiei made a rally for DS3 two days later, it didn't work at all, and I saw a lot of people in that rally thread actually saying they preferred Fallout New Vegas.

One guess I have is that the type of opponent can get in the way of a rally. In this case, fanbases for Fallout and Dark Souls, as both WRPGs, may have some overlap. But a Bloodborne fan is not someone you'd expect to like a weeb nintendo JRPG like Fire Emblem.

I imagine it's a system issue too. Bloodborne is a PS4 exclusive while Fire Emblem is a 3DS exclusive, so I don't think Bloodborne fanbase's playrate of FE is that high. I think it'll be harder to rally them against, say Persona 5, since it's also on the PS4.

LeonhartFour posted...

Rallies will always have a backfire rate. It depends on the thing being rallied for and also its opponent.

for example rallying against Link has an absurd backfire rate because he's popular everywhere

Didn't Allen say that 40% of the votes coming from Reddit during the Draven match were for Link?

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I'm not convinced the gap between Trails and Ys is that big. I think Trails just got hit hard by the SFF hammer by DQXI and could do something if given better placement.

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So Persona 5 vs God of War, who wins?

In other words Nioh vs Black Flag or Binding of Isaac: Aftermath vs Civ 5.


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FFXV is lucky it's running into Zelda honestly, since any underperformance can be chalked up to Zelda being strong.

If FFXV runs into Persona 5 or DQXI, I suspect we could see the Japanese version of ME2 > FO4 or Witcher 3 > ME3.

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Sharinnegan posted...

either way Persona is overperforming here..i think most people were predicting around 70%

Yeah, this is a fantastic performance by Persona 5. Even if we think Black Flag is trash, this is still worth 77% on Civ 5 and Civ 5 managed to break 33% on 2015 Dark Souls (which should be stronger now).

The only thing is that I don't think it matters. It'll win its division and then lose to Witcher 3, so it's trajectory is set.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

Why do people keep refusing to believe that Ys 8 is decent? It's way bigger than any Trails game.

For me, it's because I've never heard of Ys and I've heard of Trails and other really obscure JRPG series like Lunar and Shining, so I assumed it must be weak. Did Ys blow up with 8 or was it always this level? Like I'm legitimately shocked by this result. There's probably some SFF here, but idk how many people would take Ys > Super Meat Boy pre contest.

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LeonhartFour posted...

looks like Meat Boy is down there with VVVVVV after all

How is Ys so legit though? Trails looked terrible to the point where Bastion of all things can double it, but I guess there's a TON of SFF in that DQ match.

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Other than the Persona match, none of the other matches make any sense to me...

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Oh my dear god!

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LMAO that Persona 5 Board vote

34-0 when i voted

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I feel like the AC/RDR2 match is a trap.

The more I look at it the more underwhelming 66.5% on SFV seem, especially given how terrible MK11 and Tekken 7 both looked first round. Now, I don't know about fighting games, but I know SFV is one of the hated fighting games ever, so I really can't see RDR2 dropping the ball here and letting it get close. Or else it's in a world of pain next round.

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Last CHANGE

30% on Portal, RDR2 parlay
15% on Super meat boy
15% on Portal

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CHANGE (Ugh I'm too far behind so have to bet)

25% on AC, Portal parlay
15% on Super meat boy

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The thing about Sonic is that I'm scared his underperformance is due to antivoting, since his reputation these days is trash.

Does more than 20% of voters even know what Ys is? Sonic should have cruised to an easy victory based on name recognition alone.

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30% on portal
10% on super meat boy

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This has to be the most unsure I've been all contest.

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Frankly, its not a bad idea to take Witcher 3 to win it all. If you believe that Witcher 3 will get a rally against Skyrim, the match against BotW is the very next day so the rally will spillover.

And because so few people have Witcher 3 winning the tournament, you have a great shot at winning at least a prize as long as you have a competent bracket for the rest of the matches.

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It's a combination of rally, Stardew Valley being legit and Galaxy 2 not being as strong as people think. This is the game that lost to ME1, so there's a limit to how much stronger it can be than FE3H and GTAV, both of which struggled with their own indie darlings.

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Also @Ranticoot and I both took (Nier, Witcher 3, Dark Souls). Man, why the hell did we take Nier over Skyrim.

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Bah, I took a look at all the brackets and looks like @Ngamer64 and I are the biggest threats to each other because we're the only ones that took the same set of late bracket upsets (Xenoblade, Witcher 3, Dark Souls).

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Yuri_LowelI posted...

hear me out

FFXV gets over 30%

Id be shocked if FFXV can manage anywhere near that

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/932981-final-fantasy-xv/75980881

FFXV gets tripled by BotW on a poll in its own freaking board. Yeah yeah low sample size and all, but thats a bad sign for how much people care for it.

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Finally in the club! Will probably be kicked out soon when Sonic lets me down.

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CProtectionSvce posted...

I'm surprised the P4G rallies didn't seem to help Three Houses at all. You'd think they'd vote for TH too due their similar systems being the new core feature of TH but TH still did better registered than anonymously.

Different systems presumably. Persona is Sony (not counting weird spinoffs) and FE is Nintendo.

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LeonhartFour posted...

Death Stranding 23.53%
Splatoon 2 21.57%
Death Stranding 19.26%

There are 2 Death Strandings here. Im guessing the first one is correct?

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inchbytes posted...

i just noticed division 7 doesn't have a single Nintendo game. What are the odds?

Pretty sure it's deliberate. Allen likely designed the bracket to prevent a Nintendo-Nintendo final so most of the Nintendo games of any strength are shoved into Division 1 and 3

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transcience posted...

today makes me feel good about:

Witcher > God of War
Dark Souls > Last of Us
Bloodborne > division 2

Actually took me a second to realize you meant Bloodborne winning division 2 and not Bloodborne being stronger than Tom Clancy's The Division 2.

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At this point, we need to get Kira Amaya, the creator and master of hentai rallies and kingmaker of the bracket, as a guest onto the show.

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Yikes. Fallout's in trouble.

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