Lurker > Mr Lasastryke

Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke
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at this moment, i don't get why biden > trump is particularly debatable tbqh. it's not like trump was ever strong to begin with. hillary was an unbelievably atrocious candidate and she still barely lost to trump. in b4 "actually she didn't lose at all ololo" yes, biden also sucks, but he's a lot better than hillary. combine that with trump completely ruining it for himself with his response to covid/the protests and this shouldn't be a close election.

i don't find arguments like "but biden will suck in the debates!" too convincing. like, have you seen trump in debates? lol

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hey sephy how's that "covid mortality will be under 34200 by the end of summer" prediction working out

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Its exhausting when one line of editorializing from the source I post is always your guys topic of discussion rather than the content itself.

i mean, it's not like there's all that much interesting to discuss about the content itself. what do you want us to say? and if you don't want people to talk about the tweet, don't fucking link to it. or add an "obviously this guy is full of shit but that's not the point i want to make" line to your post or something.

i think biden is fucking terrible and i've stated as such tons of times, but that doesn't mean i give you a free pass if you spout bullshit in your "biden is terrible" tweet.

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bump

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huh, i know you guys have talked about this before but i just now found out about the molyneux/duke/spencer/taylor ban from youtube.

bout time - i always thought it was pretty ridiculous that infowars got banned but those guys were allowed to stay. especially molyneux, who didn't exactly have a small channel.

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Partizans
Flotage (Stage3-B)

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uh yeah, i don't really get this argument. "you can't be a fascist if you attack other fascists"? that's like saying GWB wasn't a warmonger because he went after saddam or something.

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lol BT got warned for his "having sex with girls who are only slightly underage is totally fine!" post.

isn't he also the guy who was bashing kana little sister for being a "pedo game"?

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i've rarely seen a site that was as terrible at satire as babylon bee

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onion

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gotta agree with zelda on this one.

gee, who would have thought that gamergate/incel culture being huge as fuck in the gaming community would lead to disastrous results... (really, it already started before gamergate with the heartiste/pickup artist/"alpha male" bullshit.)

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-[Deoxyribose]-
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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1278815365620006912

Thank god

muffin is about to go berserk

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and yeah, lockdowns aren't always necessary. like jakyl said, if the population of a country voluntarily adheres to covid measures then sure, you don't need (much) government intervention.

when tons of people go "FUCK THAT I WANT TO GO TO A BAR ON FRIDAY NIGHT," the government doing nothing isn't going to work out as well, though.

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SmartMuffin posted...

All I know is that lockdowns and masks are clearly and obviously NOT the answer.

uh, not sure how you came to this conclusion when all the data posted in this topic "clearly and obviously" says otherwise.

and in case your "but manhattan is also an island!!" post wasn't a joke, that's obviously not an island in the same way japan is.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Ok so it looks like they didnt have to lock people down because the populace took it seriously and voluntarily avoided crowds and always wore masks

also, didn't japan just close their borders very early?

seems like comparing islands to normal countries (or parts of countries) when it comes to covid doesn't really work. new zealand has had almost no covid deaths. pretty sure the dutch islands have had almost no (if any) covid infections.

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there's actually three mutiny on the bounty films! only two of them are called "mutiny on the bounty," though.

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Xeybozn posted...

Given that we have made virtually no progress controlling the virus during the lockdown period,

how do you know? we have no access to an alternative universe where there has been no lockdown in the US.

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SmartMuffin posted...

these are not logically inconsistent at all
both could very easily be true

they COULD both be true but i find it hard to believe that hundreds of thousands of americans are committing suicide because of covid, personally

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muffin: i recognize that covid is an extremely deadly pandemic
also muffin: lockdowns kill more than they save

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GUERRANT-OFENZA-SUPRONT-UNNE
An Endless Desert

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Apostle's Maraud
TIGAR (All Phase Mix)

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LastPandemic
Scars of FAUNA

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Despair of ELFERIA

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Despair of ELFERIA
Dark Legacy

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see ya.

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Desire Below (Flow)
Memories Rushing By
Yesterday's Opponents are Today's Ingredients

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The Wyrm's Jewelbox
Silence in the Sunlight Filtering Through Trees
Luna Ascension EX (aka OST 7)

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red sox 777 posted...

A lot of people here have problems accepting that other people can disagree with them. It's easier for them to handwave it away by saying that other people must be trolling.

saying "ok guys i'm done with this argument" only to return shortly afterwards does come across somewhat trollish >_>

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SmartMuffin posted...

You have to be long when you actually

1. Name, cite, and discuss actual research and data
2. Entertain common objections and address all known controversial items

The fact that MSM journalists refuse to do this reflects the poor quality of their work. Scott is basically the only honest writer in America. You really can't discuss controversial issues reasonably in five paragraphs. It's just not possible.

SSC could very well post both a summary of an argument AND an obscenely long post for the people who are really interested in it.

university papers have abstracts for a reason. there's only so much time people have to read stuff like this.

(also, back in the days of the freedom topic, you constantly linked to blog posts that disucssed controversial issues in five paragraphs [or less]. hell, even your own blog posts were way shorter than the average SSC post lol)

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SmartMuffin posted...

SSC has been deleted because the NYT threatened to doxx him.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/06/22/nyt-is-threatening-my-safety-by-revealing-my-real-name-so-i-am-deleting-the-blog/

Most of you fascists will cheer this I'm sure, but it still makes me sad...

i've never had an opinion on SSC because i never read him. if every time you want to share an opinion, you need to write a fucking book doing so, i'm not interested in it.

reminds of when i ask people to explain to me why objectivism is good, they go "READ ATLAS SHRUGGED LOL." yeah sure, i'm going to read an 800000000 page book that i probably won't even enjoy. very reasonable request.

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logan

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did civil war have a scene with captain america dreaming about red skull that had absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the movie? maybe then it would be "almost literally the same movie as batman v superman."

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

it feels to me like anyone good who likes joe rogan defends him while acknowledging that hes a flawed meathead person and it just makes me wonder why you cant find someone else to listen to who is less of a dumbass

yeah, this is what i find funny about that cly post. "rogan is GREAT! ...but he's also a meathead, he says all kinds of dumb things, he has bad takes and he misunderstands things all the time."

for clarity's sake, i don't think rogan is terrible or anything. sometimes, i'll listen to him - i certainly prefer the episodes where he has a comedian on or something than ones where has a politician on and he has to have a conversation that's obviously out of his league. but i don't think he's "great" and i'd rather listen to a podcaster who's not deeply flawed at the job.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Joe Rogan sucks less than, say, Joe Biden.

High bar, I know.

yeah that's a dubious compliment

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Cybat posted...

There is a sequence in Far From Home that feels like it is lifted right out of the comics. I don't want to spoil anything because apparently a lot of people in this topic haven't seen it but it's so good.

i think i know what scene you're talking about and yeah, that was one of the best scenes in any MCU movie.

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2020 and we're still arguing about who was right in civil war lol

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Rogan is a multimillionaire with the time, resources, and media platform to understand it if he wants to. Instead he waxes poetic about how he just doesn't get it, man.

this is part of why i don't like rogan in general tbqh. i'm sure tons of people find him humble and charming but i don't think "i'm super dumb and i don't get it!" is a great attitude to approach podcasting with. if you're dumb and you don't get it, fine, but then don't waste our time with your podcast.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Joe is addressing the problem and I do not believe that retweeting the clip with no added insight or helpfulness beyond "Fuck Rogan" is going to accomplish much beyond starting internet fights.

he's definitely doing more than just "addressing the problem"

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Rogan complains about the "No Justice No Peace" slogan because in his view, the cops who murdered Floyd being charged is justice.

actually, he even implies that he thinks that isn't justice

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huh, i'm also in the "homecoming > far from home" camp and thought i was in the minority, but now there's already three people who prefer homecoming!

far from home is still good but yeah.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Change the "blank stare" response to them saying "end racism!" and nothing more as the response, and you've....effectively not changed the point he is making.

...wut?

there's a world of difference between "i'm protesting because of racism" and "i'm protesting because...?"

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metaIslug posted...

Twitch is scummy and needs a competitor.

well, there's youtube.

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i expected something like "let's boogaloo to k-pop"

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

You think the conservatives arguing in bad faith are gonna believe graphs?

only when they're prageru graphs

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turbopuns3 posted...

It's not damn clear what the goals are. Not like I think you are thinking it is.

Look at it this way. People are protesting because they want to make a change, right. They don't accept things the way they are so they are acting out to improve the situation. Now imagine a world where somehow magically there was a person who could just wave their magic wand and put us in the world the protesters want. Now imagine the movement had a spokesperson whose job it was to go in a room and sit down with the magic person and tell them "here are all the things we want your magic wand to do and then we will be happy and no longer need to protest because everything will be fixed." And they write them all down and agree to it and poof it happens.

Joe is just asking "what are the concrete, actionable items that comprise this list?" And he is speculating that a huge portion of protesters could not on demand give you a concrete list. And that if you pulled every protester aside individually and asked them, you'd end up with a million different things as opposed to a unified list.

And it's hard for me to think he's wrong there. Nothing at all wrong with the movement or the protests, he is just offering a critique or a questioning if you will of its organization and concrete goals, which is allowed.

i mean, if rogan is asking "what concretely needs to happen to solve the problems?" he can ask that, though i still think that's a pretty dumb question. it's like when MLK gave his speech, someone would have said "uh yeah that's nice but what are you actually going to do to solve racism?" obviously there is no super simple solution that's going to solve the problem of racist cops next week and i doubt any of the protesters think there is one.

i don't even get from the clip that that's actually rogan's criticism, though. seems to me like he's saying "all these impressionable young people feel good being part of a movement but if you'd ask them what the protest is actually about, you'd receive a blank stare in reply." he's definitely coming off very patronizing and slightly ageist to the protesters to me.

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SmartMuffin posted...

Except that both of those slogans are incredibly misleading, most likely intentionally so...

You know because if you ask them "are you saying only black lives matter and no other ones do?" they'd say no (then give you an hour long speech reconciling how that works) and if you asked them "does that mean there should be no police at all anymore" they'd say no (then give you an hour long speech reconciling how that works).

they're slogans. obviously, you shouldn't be taking them 100% literally.

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turbopuns3 posted...

To me it sounds like he's just saying it's important to have clearly defined and understood goals, particularly so when in large groups of passionate people. He doesn't see what the clearly defined goal is, so it's a concern.

like SEP said, they're constantly saying "black lives matter" and "defund the police." i'd say it's pretty damn clear what their goals are.

there's been movements where this was a valid complaint (occupy comes to mind) but in this case it's nonsense.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Its your right to not care, but also:

Theres a reason hes a comic and not Professor of Political Discussions

what the fuck does him being a comic have to do with anything?

the thing i was criticizing was his serious rant about the protesters, not one of his stand-up acts.

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