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I don't see the point of this topic. We all knew the economy would suffer from the shutdowns but it would be even worse without them. The economy was going to tank regardless.

kingdrake2 posted...

they haven't been in stock ever since the corona panic buying :(.
how we're supposed to eat those is beyond me when there's no supply.

You may have to eat what is on the shelves. Canned veggies, whatever is available. In this pandemic, we may not have the luxury of having the choices we once had

I think we as a society need to reevaluate if things like "sports" are truly necessary.

Duncanwii posted...

It is incredibly important that the companies keeping society held together stay open. No food leads to rioting and anarchy. Do you want that?

It's almost as if meat is not necessary to sustain life.

Testing
Contact tracing
Greater medical capacity
Better treatments

And yes, you are correct in that we won't be any safer in a month. Which is why we shouldn't reopen now or next month. We are simply not ready.

Squall28 posted...

If it comes to that we'll just reopen. Better to have 5% of us die to corona than 100% die due to starvation.

"Just reopen"

No. We'll end up in the same situation anyways because of deaths and illnesses instead of lockdowns. We need to get though this and find alternative solutions without reopening.

Sewage posted...

And here comes the fear mongering.

This is what people were saying about the caronavirus in January, tbh

If the goal is to save lives, we need a scorched Earth approach and not this half measure stuff. Either way though, it's still way too early to open restaurants up even at 25% capacity.

Why would you use jarred sauce when you can just make your own? You can make a quick sauce in the time the pasta is done cooking. It's very simple, very quick, and you use ingredients that everyone has on hand. All you need for a basic sauce is garlic, oil, canned tomatoes. It only takes literally a few minutes. If you want you can do the sauce that simmers for hours, but you can also do a sauce that is literally minutes with just those three basic ingredients. It's easy, it's quick, it's simple.

scorpion41 posted...

Yeah people arent dropping left and right from this disease. Sweden didnt shut down and their death rate is about on par with everyone else outside of Italy. Its time to open up the country outside of the hot zones.

Everywhere will be a hot zone in the areas we open up. It's not time yet.

May 15 is a good start but not nearly long enough. Honestly seeing firm dates is just not a good idea because they just keep needing to be extended.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

This has been coming for a while. It's not fear mongering. We definitely won't run out of food altogether, especially certain fruits and veggies which can be flash frozen and we have in abundance, but might run low on your favorite meats.

The world has a meat problem, anyway. I know this won't do anything to fix that, but hopefully there's not a strong kickback once meay starts coming back. Expect shortages and higher prices, not a lack of food. Eat some rice, soy, tofu, and beans.

This. This is part of adapting to the new normal. Society needs to change with the times.

Humans can survive on very little. It would be much worse if the shutdowns and lockdowns didn't happen. It'll get even worse if we try to open them again. For now, they need to remain closed.

Yep, all the serious credible experts have been warning us that social distancing and stay at home orders should no be lifted anytime soon.

If you're living there, you're legally and morally obligated to pay the rent that you agreed to.

"Social distancing will be with us though the summer to really ensure that we protect one another as we move through these phases"

I don't have $1200

They all should be thrown in prison

rodu_jr posted...

The best analogy I have hear about flattening the curve, is it's like using a parachute. You don't cut loose until you are safe on the ground

This. Read about the idiots in CA going to beaches. The weather has no bearing on this. People need to stay home even when it's nice out.

It's kind of a secondary concern because of covid, no?

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They don't seem to understand that they're prolonging this whole thing. People need to stay in their homes. I get that it's not fun especially when the weather is getting nice but there's a pandemic and going out now is just going to make all this last longer.

The depression is going to happen no matter what now but it'll be worse if more people continue to get sick because we reopen things too soon. I thin at some point people need to think about finding jobs that can be done remotely because many jobs and industries may never come back and that's just the world we live in now. People and society need to adapt.

We need to start enforcing this criminally. Where are the swat teams?

One of the lessons learned from this is that many industries are non essential and it may be time to revisit on if some of these industries and business need to exist

Are you ordering only essential items? Supply chains are being throttled because people keep buying non-essentials.

Turbam posted...

It does make a whole lot of sense.
Stay the fuck home.

This. People shouldn't be outside yet.

Report: Social distancing and stay at home orders could last until 2022.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/social-distancing-research-coronavirus-2022-trnd/index.html

REMercsChamp posted...

First, it was to flatten the curve so you don't end up overwhelming the healthcare system and have bodies piling up. We see places that failed in this regard such as Italy, New York and it's a fucking nightmare.

Next, you want to keep the measures in place until they get it into a point where they can be in containment mode rather than mitigation which means they have ways of dealing with popups and snuff them out in time before it explodes and we end up in mitigation mode.

This doesn't mean we stay in our homes for 5 years until we have a vaccine or whatever fantasies some people have on here. This phased reopening will be coming in the coming weeks for places that are already recovered and in the next 1-2 months for other places.

1-2 months is simply not realistic. Social distancing and stay at home orders could very well last until 2022.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/social-distancing-research-coronavirus-2022-trnd/index.html

Dragonblade01 posted...

You wait until the curve stays consistently flat and when methods to deal with the infected are stable, then you slowly reopen while monitoring the sitiation very carefully.

This. I just don't understand why staying at home is so difficult for some people.

It's always been to prevent overwhelming the medical infrastructure. We're nowhere near at that time yet. Yes, the curve has been flattened but right now hospitals would still be overwhelmed. We can't erase our progress now.

The fact that people want to reopen and allow people outside so soon is insane

Don't see how this is a bad thing. People realistically shouldn't be allowed outside yet so wearing a mask should not be a big deal

bigtiggie23 posted...

If a few weeks of martial law would guarantee the eradication of the virus I could live with it.

This. People have proven they can't be trusted.

No it is not. It's dangerous and irresponsible to open anything anytime soon.

It's mostly the change. Humans are not used to change. This will get easier as time goes on.

Sewage posted...

The first option is not possible, anyone seriously pushing that idea isn't aware of what actually happens if you do that.

It's going to have to be possible. Society is going to have to adapt.

EnragedSlith posted...

Thats the other thing I was thinking. People can skateboard all over. Youre pushing them into more public spaces.

Nobody should be outside except for essential activities. Skateboarding doesn't qualify.

Philip027 posted...

Until the "experts" can arrange for groceries to be delivered to my home, they can sod off.

Which not everyone can make use of. For instance, stores in my area aren't delivering, and from what I have seen there isn't any curbside either.

There are online marketplaces for you to use.

_Rinku_ posted...

Okay, and the people coming in just for those things are being jerks. Again, what's the issue with rolling it into an essentials order?

Also, does your store have ways to accommodate orders for people using food stamps or who can't order online? This whole situation has made me worry for people like my grandmother. She's eighty years old, has never owned a debit card in her life, and doesn't understand the Internet. There is zero chance that someone like her could ever place an online order. Luckily, someone is helping her, but I know a lot of folks aren't that fortunate. Completely closing stores to the public will kill these people.

Absolutely. No one needs a patio set or a TV or anything else that's frivolous right now. We need to all stay inside and only order the minimum of the essentials that we need.

_Rinku_ posted...

Please also keep in mind that a lot of people get their medications from a grocery store or Walmart/Target pharmacy. An instacart shopper cannot pick these up. Some pharmacies offer a delivery service, but cannot deliver certain medications (say, controlled substances like Adderall). In my experience, it's a pain to transfer prescriptions when the world isn't currently experiencing an apocalypse; I can't imagine the hellish nightmare of trying to even talk to a person on a customer service line right now.

You can get prescriptions delivered.

At some point, we'll just have to start criminally enforcing it.

ThyCorndog posted...

It probably won't happen but did you know something that lasts up till the year 2022 is by definition also temporary?

I think going forward society is going to have to adapt to what is normal now.

The thing is that it might not be temporary though. Expect social distancing to continue through 2022

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/social-distancing-research-coronavirus-2022-trnd/index.html

EverDownward posted...

I personally don't think Covid-19 is going to go away until roughly sometime next year or even later. It's even possible it may become our new norm, in which we get a "Covid shot" every year, like the flu shot, or pneumonia shot. I'm for measures to keep people safe, but I'm not a fan of where scenarios and ideas like this could potentially lead.

Yes, it would keep more people safe - but I don't like how far some here are willing to restrict others. I'm not crying for freedom like Duncan, I'm not out there like those protestors screaming "HOAX! HOAX!" but there should be some kind of compromise. And that's coming from someone who is most at risk for dying from catching this disease.

People need to accept change and stop living in the past. Experts have said social distancing may need to continue through 2022. It depends on what happens but this is not going away anytime soon. People may need to live on rice, pasta, whatever is available at a given time

There's no reason for anyone to go inside a grocery store when there's curbside pickup and delivery. It's a pandemic, you're going to be inconvenienced. People need to adapt and change to the new normal. Going into a store and touching everything is not feasible in today's world

Because of how densely populated NY is, most people shouldn't even be outside

Cheese_Crackers posted...

Instead of disparaging people, take this opportunity to realize how many people are one bad day away from going broke.

This is an emergency pandemic. People need to adapt to the new normal. Time to find a job that you can work remotely.

If people can't handle a few more weeks, they're in trouble because these stay at home orders have the potential to last years

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

I dont care anymore. People are gonna be people.

If you're scared stay home cause the cattle gonna run down the fence

You're affecting other's health. Stay home. We all need to adapt to this new normal.