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Inviso posted...

Stop shitting on people for daring to play the game.

Yeah this is like the quickest way to get me to hate someone on BB.

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darkx

"Leave judgment at the door."

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Ugh. Christmas is like the second or third worst person who could have won HoH.

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And we have our first female HoH of the season.

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Go Day!!

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Fucking Tyler is gonna win this again isnt he

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Ugh I feel so bad for Kaysar becoming a 3x pre-juror.

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This is probably the most interesting Tyler has been in two seasons of BB.

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This is gonna be painful.

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If I'm remembering correctly, Colin & Christie were cast for 11 but had to drop out because of Christie's pregnancy.

Inviso posted...

If you want someone from TAR8 represented, you either have Marion/D.J. or Linda/Rolly

Michael/Stassi could have been interesting as well, but yeah I think Marion/DJ is the correct pick.

18's cast was pretty solid as far as All-Stars go except for Amanda & Kris. Replace them with Terrence & Sarah to give the unrepped TAR13 a team while reducing the overrepped TAR14, plus they fit the "Unfinished Business" theme much better (having to turn around at the fast forward because Terrence couldn't eat meat).

24's cast is a mess. Honestly they could have just done Heroes vs. Villains.

Heroes:
Amani & Marcus
Bill & Cathi
Bopper & Mark
Brook & Claire
Caroline & Jennifer
Dave & Connor

Villains:
Art & JJ
Brendan & Rachel
Carol & Brandy
Leo & Jamal
Natalie & Nadiya
Tim & Marie

I gender-balanced even though TAR has never given a shit about gender balancing. I focused on 19-23 but had to go back as far as 16 for some FF teams.

And if TAR31 were a full returnee season, focusing on 25-30...

Misti & Jim (25) - Yes, I know it would have been awkward since Jim died between filming and broadcast, but they would have been cast under this scenario. The fact that TAR25 had no representation in 31 as it was was a sin since it's arguably one of the three most popular seasons ever, and without a doubt top 5. Its main villains would HAVE to be on All-Stars under these conditions.

Kym & Ally (25) - A strong F/F team from said season would be a lock as well.

Jeff & Jackie (26) - The only blind date team that actually continued their relationship after the race, plus their BB appearance cemented them as CBS staples to some degree.

Denise & James Earl (27) - Likable parent/child team that went far.

Tanner & Josh (27) - With Justin & Diana out due to a pregnancy, Tanner & Josh would probably be the second TAR27 rep and fill the token strong M/M team. They were likable enough and their exit probably qualifies them for a second chance.

Tyler & Korey (28) - They got this one right.

Becca & Floyd (29) - This one too.

Henry & Evan (30)
Kristy & Jen (30)
Alex & Conor (30)
Lucas & Britney (30) - I mean it seems like they like to disproportionately represent one season in returnee casting and the final 5 from 30 was just so damn good, plus it checks off a bunch of boxes - a female-dominated bickering couple, a strong F/F team, an inconsistent, goofy M/M team, and a team that made a big "whoops!"

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David & Mary were less bad in 11. I think that's the only improvement for me.

Brenchel, Jessica & John, and Afghanimals were significant improvements in 24 from their original seasons.

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TAR11 is at the bottom for me for so many reasons:

-Worst winners in the history of the show (not to mention that, as a unit, they were the least-deserving of all 11 teams to be considered "All-Stars;" Eric & Jeremy as the originally appeared would have been deserving but as it is they picked the worse member of each original team)
-An entire season of Mirna instead of a somewhat-tolerable 7 episodes (and she was MUCH worse, if that were somehow possible; the way she talked to/about Charla was actually quite uncomfortable)
-The aforementioned gap
-Every single team being a shadow of their former selves in some way or another (this seems to be a problem with TAR returnees in general, much more so than Survivor/BB)

Honestly probably more reasons that I simply have blocked out of my mind.

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Oh Kaysar might win this

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David is so bad at this game. Even if he hadn't been the victim of obvious bullshit last year he probably would've been out early.

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Yeah I mean I'll give credit where credit is due - Memphis is a huge dick but he's an interesting player. Interestingly bad, but interesting. And as long as the edit continues to paint him as a joke, I can kinda appreciate him.

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I think he's a boring player first and foremost, but he (as did the rest of his alliance in 20) has this cocky "how dare they" attitude towards anyone in not in his alliance having the nerve to actually play the game that borders on nasty from time to time and I just find it really off-putting.

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Here's why I'm not in love with that BB19 comparison. As good a character as Cody turned out to be, let's face it, the entire reason the alliance formed in the first place was because he completely pissed away his and Jessica's games in week 1 and a big part of the reason it was allowed to succeed unchecked was because there were so many people that the two of them absolutely refused to work with because they would rather have been out early and get to look like the victims than give them the satisfaction of having any control over their games, even to their own benefit. Which is absolutely not what's going on here.

That being said, I was making Tyler/Paul comparisons back in BB20, and I'm starting to feel vindicated in hating him back when everyone loved him (my goodwill towards him from last week has completely evaporated).

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My TAR2 ranking:

1. Oswald & Danny
2. Tara & Will
3. Gary & Dave
4. Peggy & Claire
5. Mary & Peach
6. Chris & Alex
7. Shola & Doyin
8. Deidre & Hillary
9. Cyndi & Russell
10. Hope & Norm
11. Blake & Paige

As for the TAR11 stuff, it's insane how an overbooked flight in Leg 6 causes such a dramatic gap between two groups of teams that three legs later they are still implementing the stupidest equalizers ever just to give the teams in the back a fighting chance. Just one of the many reasons why it's my least favorite season.

And I believe each team actually had two letters in the mailbag, one nice and one mean.

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Week 2 rankings (w/change in relative placement):
1. Nicole A (+3)
2. Da'Vonne (+4)
3. Enzo (+4)
4. Janelle (-2)
5. Kevin (-4)
6. Tyler (+7)
7. David (+4)
8. Ian (-3)
9. Christmas (0)
10. Dani (0)
11. Kaysar (-8)
12. Bayleigh (-4)
13. Cody (+2)
14. Nicole F (0)
15. Memphis (-2)

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Ugh..

Even though I don't dislike Tyler this season, I'm not happy seeing this alliance win a third HoH in a row.

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I find it kinda ironic that Nicole lost doing the very thing that Isabella did to her last season (throwing someone under the bus who had her back) (of course, Nicole was MUCH less mean-spirited about it than Isabella was).

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I have a feeling Enzo isn't long for this season. We've seen 0 strategy out of him on air and he doesn't seem to be really in with either side. Seems like he could be an easy throwaway boot for someone who doesn't want to make waves. I would not be surprised at all to see him gone pre-jury, which is sad because I kinda like him.

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Watching last night's episode.

Literally the first time ever I'm rooting for Tyler to win a comp... he loses. -_-

That being said I am warming up to him a bit this season.

Memphis needs to go soon. He's a dick and he sucks at this game. But if he'a gone early I could at least say I enjoyed him as a douche that got what was coming to him.

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Just gonna throw this out there - if this season goes full length, it'll go into November.

Given that we have no idea when new stuff will be filmed, I feel like they will want to avoid overlapping as much as possible, especially within the same genre.

TAR32 is getting delayed (yet again) to spring, I'm calling it now.

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That cast looks very similar to mine, with Yau-Man, David, Matty, and Cydney replacing Fairplay, Rodney, Rick, and Kara.

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Had an idea for a Survivor season - "The Day 38 Club"

Lex
Kathy
Rob C
Fairplay
Jenna L
Ian
Rafe
Terry
Cirie
Erinn
Jerri
Holly
Malcolm
Kass
Rodney
Wentworth
Devon
Kara
Rick
Lauren B

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Centurion posted...

Looks like Nicole F will be there for the long-haul. :(

Yeah I'm thinking we might be looking at a Calafiore/Franzel F2.

Of course, it's still crazy early, and things could radically change, but early alliances have dominated the past few years, and they are both proven players with a ton of social clout in the house.

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At this point I'm thinking Kaysar, Ian and David go pre-jury. Janelle and Kevin have enough social prowess to make at least a few members of the majority see how they could benefit their game long enough to stay around a few weeks.

Also, given the quarantine, I'm almost certain we won't see any reentries this season.

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darkx

Pretty surprising for a young guy who lasted all season.

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I didn't see Memphis' season but I know he came in second... did he just say this is his first HoH??

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I agree.

Week one rankings:

1. Kevin
2. Janelle
3. Kaysar
4. Keesha
5. Nicole A
6. Ian
7. Da'Vonne
8. Enzo
9. Bayleigh
10. Christmas
11. Dani
12. David
13. Memphis
14. Tyler
15. Nicole F
16. Cody

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is it just me or is the sound quality on this season less than usual

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Is Mewtwo finally watching BB?

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My ranking for TAR1:
1. Kevin & Drew
2. Frank & Margarita
3. Paul & Amie
4. Joe & Bill
5. Nancy & Emily
6. Rob & Brennan
7. Dave & Margaretta
8. Pat & Brenda
9. Matt & Ana
10. Kim & Leslie
11. Lenny & Karyn

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Hmm, which villain team had the best/most deserved finale comeuppance?

Joe/Bill
Tara/Wil
Rob/Amber
Eric/Jeremy
Justin/Diana

That's gotta be the top 5, right? Out of the ones that made it to the finale and got thoroughly embarrassed in the last leg in some manner.

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The Mana Sword posted...

A friend of mine has started watching TAR so I decided to go back and rewatch as well. I thought I was being too unfair to Bill and Joe in my 20 year old memory, but if anything I was being too kind. Yeesh.

Also S1 Phil is so disheveled looking.

Knowing that they get absolutely embarrassed in the finale makes them a lot easier to take as the OG villains IMO.

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Josh has confirmed that he was cut from the cast during the quarantine period because he tested positive for Covid, as we pretty much suspected.

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Rachel's pick to win is Kaysar.

She also thinks Tyler is very likely to be a pre-jury boot, and I'm inclined to agree based on her analysis.

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Inviso posted...

As far as the cast goes, it's actually not THAT bad. Sure, there are some bigger names missing, but MOST of this cast feel like they deserve to be part of an All-Stars season, either because of how well they did the first time around, their legacy, or just a sense of seeing how they'd do a second time.

The only person I think probably shouldn't be in this cast based solely on their existing legacy...is Bayleigh.

People like Kaysar/Da'Vonne, even with their double early boots, are at least two-time players and have a multi-season legacy. And David got royally fucked last season and at least deserves a second chance to actually play the game. Bayleigh's the odd one out to me.

I guess I kinda agree with this, based on my knowledge of 1-17.

The feeling I'm getting based on 18/19/22 is that when it comes to returnee casting, BB prioritizes good (or at least interesting) players over big personalities, while Survivor is about 50/50 (though lately leaning a bit toward gameplay, especially in regards to women) and as for TAR, Phil has outright said that they prioritize big characters over strong racers when casting returnee seasons.

With that in mind, this seems like a solid cast and everyone seems to have something to prove, whether it's that they can do better, or repeat their success.

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I expect Ian to be gone very early, maybe even the first boot. He's already doing a horrible job of reducing the huge target he had going in.

I think Nicole A and Kevin are both solid winner picks, but I'm gonna hold off a bit on making a pick.

I agree that Da'Vonne really didn't need to be in a third time, or at the very least, either her or Nicole F could have been dropped for like, Bridgette.

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darkx

All things considered this could have been a disaster and was not.

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https://youtu.be/dqPxDYdbgoc

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Yes, poor amber...

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I really hope David does well. He's a nice guy and what happened to him last year was bullshit.

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Yay!

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So why did the comp beast guys get an easier, shorter maze than the women?

Anyway, so much for laying low Ian.

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This feels longer than four minutes

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Oh. I was NOT expecting Christmas.

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Apparently even Julie doesn't know the full official cast yet. They flew in more than 16 people and several of them tested positive during the quarantine period, including ones that would have been absolute locks otherwise. Which explains why cast rumors have been so turbulent and contradictory.

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You know, in hindsight, I think I would have rather seen Brett than Tyler if we had to get one.

At least Brett has the POTENTIAL to be interesting because he is a shit-stirrer, even if I loathed him the first time around. Tyler I don't see being anything other than a level-headed challenge dominator. To put it in terms of Survivor archetypes, Brett is the Trickster (Fairplay, Tyson, etc) type and Tyler is the Amazing Ace (Ozzy, Malcolm, Joe A, etc) archetype that rarely offers anything new the second time around.

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