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DESPITE ALL MY RAGE I STILL SMELL LIKE TEEN SPIRIT. THANKS JEREMY I WOULD REALLY LIKE EAT MOLDY PEACHES BUT I THINK I"M GOING TO GO ON A HUNGER STRIKE MMM MMM MMM YEAH YEAH YEAH

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Now right wing is

We get smarter more quick

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So when they open back up to general public they are put under a huge strain again....

Stay inside to reduce the spread...only to go back outside eventually. Did the virus magically go away?

Literally sat inside a Subway with five people in line for seven minutes, now is this essential?

I think we should have just 100% shut down for like two weeks to get the initial infection squatted then opened up 100%. I feel like we are just changing dates.

I went to college.

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I think it's worth it.

If you are into JRPGs but want to try something else besides turn based or action RPG, then this is a great game to try.

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Infinite 2003 posted...

So the does the president, indeed

I laughed irl

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So the does the president.

I'm loving being alive in the 2020's man. I think we are right at the end of the best part of the human experience unfortunately for all your children. That's why i'm not having kids.

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I'm pretty sure they projected almost a million deaths initially.

We shall see, besides protesting there is def distancing in place around the country and we have to make a choice to open up slowly over summer or stay shut in the entire year because letting the virus out in December will be way worse than July.

It's not going to magically go away because we stayed inside for a year.


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As I posted in a now deleted topic, most experts aren't even sure how to do this. Some are thinking to open up sooner so that the next major spike is in the summer months and not the winter months.

I think we should open up gradually AFTER (*edit) the next four weeks but still do everything possible to protect those most vulnerable.

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Time_Rider posted...

Where the hell else would people be having these heart attacks under quarantine?

Umm exactly? I'm so confused

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Time_Rider posted...

I know it perplexes you, I saw the relationship you have with math in post 61 before you got schooled

lol ok bud Thanks for responding to the second part of the comment.

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Time_Rider posted...

Imagine if you tried looking.

How he reached the virus being under reported by 40% is still perplexing me.

Also, people are scared to go to hospitals/can't even get in, so there will be an increase of those who die at home...was that factored in?

From your post I thought total cardiac arrest reports were up total 400%, but this is data for house calls alone...?

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Wasssup Now posted...

TC what country are you

Why do you ask

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Time_Rider posted...

The deaths from Coronavirus are much higher than reported. Cardiac arrest deaths are up 400% in hotspots. Estimates say that actual Coronavirus deaths are underreported by 40%.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/new-york-coronavirus-cases-updates.html

Not seeing that info anywhere in what you posted.

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ultimate reaver posted...

Colorado is a great example of the problems presented by the Coronavirus considering their hospitals were overloaded and facing shortages before the virus even peaked

That's another reason why I fear exaggeration. If the health effects are exaggerated, you could have people rushing to hospitals who don't really need to. Add to the that some placebo from the fear and mania. We had hospitals turning away the elderly, who are in most cases way, way, way more vulnerable.

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Ruvan22 posted...

So you believe big banks are hiding data to... get more profit?

Im saying the Fed is eating up all this new interest money coming in, and will for generations to come.

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Darmik posted...

Surely what is happening in New York shows that precaution is the right move to take.

I would agree, in areas as dense for New York.

Does that need to apply in a state like Colorado though?

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I just want to clarify a position here.

I am worried about it, of course. I take immense precaution at work. I do not want it to spread. It is a tragedy we are losing so many to a new virus.

But posting shit like "LOOK AT THIS GIRL TC SHE DIED FROM IT AND YOU ARENT TAKING IT SERIOUSLY"

That's just....man, I don't know what that is but it is certainly not helpful, Because I have to decide to whether acknowledge it and potentially look like a jerk just to show my point stands, or let you get away with it. But I won't let you use her death to hide the facts--the article in my first post simply doesn't match the data. And this is happening all the time in coverage of COVID 19. That's the original purpose of this topic.

It takes two seconds to read up and understand how rare of a case that is, and how it happens in other viral infections as well. I wasn't going to respond to it and I won't even dignify you by quoting you, but that is so low. It's sad the double standard about death in this topic.

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Hirunesukidayo posted...

Much I rather not use a source from Legacy media,here is a snippet from this guy,not a long video,Fareed Zakari of CNN,4:47 total time. I'm sure there's a plenty of people that don't pay attention to independent sources,so there you something maybe you'll watch?

Also,there is a link below that goes directly to an article by Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., H. Clifford Lane, M.D., and Robert R. Redfield, M.D. Take note of what's said and take it for what you will.

What a lot of people often do is ignore and only think there's one side of the story and nothing else matters to them,its likely due to their cognitive dissonance. Not forcing anyone to watch or read them but for those that might be intrigued,of course go ahead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LG-so-8qwg

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

I will look into this later.

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Antifar posted...

NYC has 139k confirmed cases.
139k x 80 = 11.1 million. In a city of 8.5m

I get that there is some variance, and an overall average may not hold true for a given area, but the claim that "about 80 times more" people have contracted the virus than currently known is hard for me to buy.

I just didn't think to apply it like that, state by state. New York would probably be a state were reporting is more accurate, but a state like one of the Dakota's, i forget which one....which is claiming low infections rates despite minimal distancing...there I'm sure reporting is not accurate and the actual cases could be ORDERS of magnitude higher.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

it's been almost an hour

why is this topic still here

??

You think it should be closed?

You don't there there is any chance that the news and government, already distrusted by the entire country, is maybe flubbing up and spreading inconsistent data, exaggerating studies and generating fear? Maybe politicizing the issue to divide the population even more? Maybe reaching to expand the power of state governments? In your mind, there's just ZERO chance for that? In your mind that idea is so silly that anyone who even TALKS about it should be banished? Are you kidding me? Get out of this topic then man, go read or something.

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Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1252746227130798080

Yeah idk what's going on in Brazil, but one twitter video is hardly evidence of anything. It seems like the government in Brazil is handling this very, very poorly from what I read translating the comments.

Although there are also those in the comments calling the video faked so who knows.

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Antifar posted...

This would suggest that more than 100 percent of NYC's population has already contracted coronavirus.

uhh you sure that's how stats work bro

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hockeybub89 posted...

I don't know why people act as if "pre-existing condition" means "one swift breeze from death". The majority of America has a pre-existing condition

I guess in my first post it was referring to the conditions that the patients studied on have. It obviously depends on the severity and what kind.

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badwinkles posted...

Multiple tests done recently have discovered that many more people, (about 80 times more) have already been infected with the virus, making the death rate substantially less than we thought

I'd like a source on that

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Prismsblade posted...

Idk why people keep trying to avoid this possibility or even consider it when the possibly of this virus never going away and us having to live with it are very real.

Then we would deal with it the way we've death with other virus--heard immunity. Some may want vaccines.

I fully expect them to make the COVID19 vaccine mandatory for schools, which is going to cause a giant controversy.

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ultimate reaver posted...

even if you want to be super cynical about the media, you have to recognize that mass media companies are spiderwebbed through by endless amounts of interest groups and sponsors who are very unhappy about this.

Google, Apple and Microsoft are not happy about people having less disposable income to spend on their products, and streams and shows are not making up for that loss of profit. Microsoft has been weathering it surprisingly well so far but Google and Apple have taken huge stock plunges throughout the course of this stuff

the capitalist death machine is maybe the least feasible group of people to point the finger to here if you want to blame someone other than common sense, i have no idea how you stumbled to that conclusion and thought it sounded good in your head. if you want to try and scapegoat someone, the only sensible people to try and foist blame onto is doctors and the medical community at large because everyone is currently going off of their advice. i understand why you would not want to do that though, it would be pretty embarrassing

I think you have to look even higher up than that. Like big banking.

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Intro2Logic posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html?smid=tw-share

If you actually look at the numbers, Sweden ( a country that practiced little to no social distancing) has one of the lowest excess death rates and very low infection numbers.

All of the pictures in the article are showing worst-case areas. If you click the link and look at the whole study, there are lots of places where the average death toll has not risen by very much, if at all. It's also trending downwards now it almost every case. I'm not denying the virus exists, or that it's dangerous to some people.

I am merely pointing out that media (like the NY times) seems to be exaggerated, only reporting on the worse-case, leaving out valuable information.

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shockthemonkey posted...

The death rate isnt scary! is a weird thing to say while thousands of people are dying every day due to this. Like its real blatant youre using the death rate rather than the number of deaths because that allows you to pretend its less significant.

Of course they are significant, but i'm trying to look at data pragmatically. That's how you get to the bottom of things. I'm not trying to pretend it doesn't exist.

I'm noting the very real possibility that the news is sensationalizing and exaggerating for their benefit, and the benefit of those profiting off this. State governments got more power, Mcdonalds and Subway got to stay open (good thing they just started delivery!) while mom and pop restaurants closed and won't ever open back up. We don't even know if this social distancing thing is actually helping anymore, as I said, opening back up slowly could just cause an outbreak in the deadlier winter months.


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MacadamianNut3 posted...

Ah damn the rest of the country should learn from this rando 30k college town

Wake up NYC. Guess it'll take a friend or family member dying from the virus to make more people to think this is serious shit. Not real until it personally affects me and whatnot

Of course I'm taking it seriously. Click and read the article, then read the study. Tell me the article is not worded to generate fear? It's misleading, that's not what the news should be doing right now. They left out important details of the study.

Another thing that's making me anxious is how suddenly politicized the issue of opening the country is.

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_Rinku_ posted...

Hey look at that, an appropriately tagged user making a garbage topic. How shocking.

Hey look, people actually tag users so they can remind themselves to not change their mind or add anything of value to a discussion and be stuck in an ideological rut

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Southernfatman posted...

I'd rather there be an overreaction to this than an underreaction.

I'm not sure that's the proper mentality when we are talking about 40 million people suddenly becoming dependent on the government.

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Antifar posted...

What percent of people over 74 do you think have a pre-existing condition? My bet is pretty much all of them.

If you click the study, it shows the percentage of what people had what condition, the most popular being high blood pressure in like 60% of them.

But again, that's why when you are 74 catching a cold is ****ing scary.

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DoomsSD posted...

I think the death rate alone is pretty fucking alarming tbh.

That's another thing, it's really not accurate.

Actual cases could be two to ten times higher....factoring that, the death rate is much less scary. Combine that with the fact that it's hard to tell if the number is even 100% real based on what hospitals are saying they are reporting deaths. Why have pneumonia deaths tanked the passed two months?

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For example there was an article spread the last week about the "potential lasting effects" of the COVID19 on parts of the body such as the heart, liver and kidneys.

The studies they cited claimed that 20% of people sampled suffered lasting damage. I clicked the link and actually read the study myself, and the article fails to mention that the average age of that 20% was 74, and almost every single person in that 20% had at least one pre-existing condition, most of them more. Another issue is the sample size is extremely small. I believe one study was just over 100 people and another was 58 people. That's not evidence for anything, really. But the article is worded in such a way to make it seem like it could happen to anyone, when data clearly shows that healthy people are making it out just fine in 99% of cases.

So this got me on the train of reading articles then looking at the studies they cite.... and the urgency posted on news websites never seems to match the study. People that are 74 with heart disease are VERY vulnerable to respiratory illness, not just COVID19. The numbers for pneumonia are very similar in terms of the damage it can do to the heart/lungs of patients. In fact, bacterial infections have way, way higher fatality rates in people that old and those are extremely common. The article is extremely misleading and can a lead a reader to think that lasting heart damage can happen to anyone, which is just not the case. It's not happening.

I'm skeptical. I work with money everyday, and I haven't been sick. Our county has had 1 case the past four weeks, and we are a college town with an airport (population 30k roughly) Nurses are being laid off because there aren't enough patients coming in. As I posted before this is "nursing" town, a lot of my friends went to the local university and left to become nurses downstate where the populations are more dense. They said after that initial wave of testing, (where people with allergies were panicking and taking up all the beds, apparently extremely common)....it's apparently calmed down a lot.

Not to mention the fishy reporting of the "death" statistic where it seems like some hospitals are counting deaths with "covid-like" symptoms, combined that with the fact that states/countries that practiced little to no distancing are putting up similar numbers to everyone else...idk it seems like the powers really exaggerated this.

I fear that the country will slowly open back up over the summer only to have an outbreak in the winter, which gives those most vulnerable a lower chance of surviving. I think opening it up sooner will be much safer, and the economy will have time to restart for the winter months. We know COVID19 is actually really weak when it's in the air and in the open, it will have a tough time spreading in hot humid weather.

This is just my opinion though, but I really implore people to look at the studies and not just read the click-bait, fear mongering headlines. Here's the article, but it was posted, almost word for word, on news sites everywhere.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-10/coronavirus-infection-can-do-lasting-damage-to-the-heart-liver

(It seems now you have to have a subscription...I didn't when I first read it a few days ago. Within the article are links for the two studies they cite.)

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yeah i listned to the whole thing

he's not racist he's an idiot

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coh posted...

That's been a worry of mine with this whole lockdown

Depending on where you are I bet you could make an under the table deal with someone of facebook or something. The guys around here are begging for work, selling generic "white box" pcs on the cheap.

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The hard truth is you have to read/watch all three, then read between the lines, then look at independent/expert opinions and not just the "experts" CNN/Fox news let on the air. If you truly care about the truth.

A good mixture of podcasts and articles from the right and left help. I find podcasts are a great way to get information, especially with credible people.

I generally don't use MSM, though. I literally just look at the headlines they are pushing with the mindset "what's the agenda here?" rather than "what's the news today?". It's kind of sad when I think about it. I haven't trusted the MSM since 9/11.


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America does this too so I wouldn't feel so righteous.

This epidemic is a great of example of people being easily swade by fake accounts.


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ClunkerSlim posted...

I wouldnt count on that. My two cousins work for the post office and a few years ago had to move to another state because they shut down a major processing facility in my area. The shut down meant everyones mail was going to take an extra 2 or 3 days to get there and the mayor even signed legislation begging them to stay. But the federal government was like, nope. We out. The Post Office has been quietly winding down for years.

This, the post office is like already out of money, it's only a matter of time.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

The guy wrote articles for a racist newsletter. He's always been a piece of shit.

He left long before the letter was racist. Logistics meant the letter got to stay in his name and there was nothing he could do it about it, he had to refute them the rest of his career.

He was literally the only Republican in the 2000's calling out police culture in regards to disproportionately condemning minorities so I don't buy that he's a racist. And he had the balls to do it in TEXAS. Think about that.

Regardless of that, people straw-manning and not looking at things examined in the initial post just makes me think people are enjoying this. Fauci is not some priest that's above being examined or even, wrong.

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sorry this video is more informative;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVKBvDqPuBw

This is from the pics the OP posted.

I mean the first minute he talks about how serious it is so it's not like he's calling it a hoax.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf9Bd2ap6g8

Here is the full video.

Basically he's calling out things that have just been recently published by independent journals that get glossed over in the news.

First thing, anyone who dies while infected with Covid 19 gets counted as a Covid death, even in instances of Heart Attack/Cancer patients (some articles are claiming that Covid 19 can cause heart failure but other publications say there is no evidence of this, but what can happen is people with sensitive hearts put under the stress of being hospitalized or quarantined are having a tougher time) and you can look at statistics to see that people dying of pneumonia has dropped off significantly because most of them are being marked as Covid 19 deaths even if they were not tested. There's basically a lot of issues with reporting statistics.

Second thing, some people are becoming skeptical because the news is messing up constantly. Showing images allegedly from New York that are actually from Italy, there was a picture in major news outlets of a corpse that was so clearly a mannequin that people got pissed about....

Again, I have yet to know anybody that has the illness. I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who is sick. So basically every friend and friend of a friend I have know nobody who is sick. Granted, I'm in a small town but there is allegedly 100 cases in a 200 mile radius. And I know nurses, one of the major universities here have nursing has a primary field.

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Paper_Okami posted...

he was always dumb as hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJG_oFFDK0

I disagree. Not many congressmen talked like him.

Him and Bernie used to get on pretty well from what I understand. He's really old now, but he's been in the system pretty deep and is almost dead with nothing to lose.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

I like you now.

I was hoping someone on here would say this at least once in my tenure

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Lunar_Savage posted...

Glad i could help.

All I can say is understanding their frustration might help you deal with your own frustration, because the wisest thing one can ever do is remember that you can control how you react even when others can't.

As I work with younger people in my workplace too, both before and during their college years, I've decided that to help them, the best thing I can do is show them that there are some others just ahead of them in the workforce that get it and also does good and will listen to them. I've taken a few under my wing here and there and helped them navigate the workplace and taught them what I know. But most importantly, I show them that there are people out there that want the same kind of world they do, but the only way to achieve that really is cooperation. And if you're going to lead, lead by example. I stress cooperation to my whole team, even when there is a slight air of competition to it. As a result, I've helped build a team in the workplace that has each other's backs and we all take our hits on the chin because we all know there will be days when we don't because the others are while we all get along to the end of the day and make some money and keep a stable work and positive work environment.

I can understand why college isn't the route for many and there's no shame in not taking to it. I sometimes think there are aspects to higher education that are purposefully designed to be prohibitive even if it hides behind good intent (we all know what good intent paves the way to).

Amen, to be honest I don't have a whole lot of beef with them. I'm kind and patient at work, these kids keep tryin' to add me on Call of Duty so I think I'm a good guy.

But i'm not letting down the fact that i have had a select few that were so clearly delusional about the workings of the world I literally thought they were joking. Maybe they were.

This rant started mainly because of people on gamefaqs and facebook just posting things that piss me off tonight

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Questionmarktarius posted...

The United States was created by a bunch of hypocritical assholes. The sooner you accept this, the better.

They were the Elite class in the 1700s, yeah, they were jerks. But not all of them.

Thomas Paine for example, was publishing anti-slavery writings before the Constitution was even drafted.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

is this a copypasta

this is my actual, real life, drunken opinion

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Lunar_Savage posted...

I don't tend to agree with the entitled generation moving into the workplace thing. I've met a few over the years, but I'm not so sure that it had so much to do with what they genuinely believed so much as it was what they were taught by the system, especially those who went to school. The idea that when you're done with education you will have a high paying job was sold to me as well. I went, met a bunch of cool, smart, hardworking people who want to do good and put it into the world for everyone to be happy. Unfortunately, what they tended to lack was wisdom (I was a few years ahead of them all when I went back to college) to deal with the amount of information and education they were receiving.

And as a result, you get a fuck ton of angry young adults coming out of college ready to dismantle/alter/regain control of the system that just showed them the disaster that's coming...but that's the rub...the system taught them...and they taught them just enough to know and see it...but not effectively communicate with those who didn't go and didn't learn. Those that believe all you need is a job and a few placating comforts...and who do not like being told they are being turned into slaves.

That particular division is what I feel like you might be seeing in the workplace. The system summarily took the children of an entire generation, taught them, dangled disaster in their face, and then mocked them through the division this education created, knowing they will never be able to stop it. And this is even worse for the parents of the past 2 generations (at least)...

...basically...look at what they did to your boy, pa. *cue tragic music*

I like you you a thinker

Last time I drank and posted i ranted about how shitty/completely useless college was for me. Perhaps I shouldn't put all the blame on the kids.

It's just extremely frustrating and this is the only place I can vent about it. I try to take them under my wing, I really do. We have a lot in common, it's just there's this divide I can't quite explain. It's really became apparent in the last five years or so.

It's just...man, the gumption you gotta have to say you understand the world at 23 is just like...yeah bro sure. Never left the country? Went to uni in your city? 2 serious girlfriends?

ok buddy you gonna learn quick

but as I think back to me at 23 maybe I wasn't much different

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645AR posted...

i read up to the part where you were like "other people suffer more your suffering doesnt count"

More like "other people are suffering so much, can you maybe go with out that third big mac and put a dollar in the cancer donation box?"

People who are "suffering" because they don't have what they WANT are less important than people who are suffering because they don't have the things they NEED. Ya feel me? That's my opinion anyway.

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Panthera posted...

Mistake #1

my ninja if we keeping track that's mistake like 10000 in my life

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