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Silver Bearings posted...

What if some property that you own is next? Still justified? You are likely as innocent as most of the property owners.

Not only would I have to own property for that to be the case, which due to rising housing costs is almost impossible, but my business is also insured and would be covered. And I still wouldn't care.

Silver Bearings posted...

Punishing the innocent to affect the guilty sounds like terrorism to me.

Sounds like you need to understand violence against the state isn't a black and white issue

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SpacialEntropy posted...

Good to know anarchy is allowed now. I've wanted to play for a very, very long time and I'm ever so tired of waiting

You seem like the type who would be part of a Boogaloo Facebook group

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This is the inevitable result when you straight up ignore the plights and real issues pertaining to police and poor community relations. If you don't take a serious attempt to address issues that are directly impacting people's lives you are only setting yourself up for the eventual violence.

So fuck it, let it burn

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But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity - MLK

You ignore the real issues facing people for long enough, they will inevitably react with violence. Or also:

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK

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Morning Joe absolutely fucking did fawn all over Trump during his rise and the primary season so it is funny to watch Joe and Mika act so outraged and disgusted all the time considering their culpability.

Ted Cruz still sucks

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The more times I watch his few episodes on the Office the more I enjoy him there instead of his typical characters when he's in a staring role as a man child.

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The people begging to replace Biden with anyone, especially a shitstain like Cuomo, are some of the most pathetic people going today. Like Bill Maher, for example.

Biden is the horse that you rode in on and everyone got behind to beat Bernie under the argument that he was the only one electable enough to beat Trump. If the party even attempts to switch now it'll be a complete fucking disaster and they would deserve to lose in November. I may not want Biden, but I'll vote for him and my vote doesn't even matter being in NY. But if they switched to Cuomo? Not a chance lol

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Nomadic View posted...

I think it was largely created by rage-bait, click bait, and ratings. Theyre constantly trying to one-up themselves with sensationalism. It has reached a point of absurdity and people are seeing through it.

I remember watching ESPN during the rise of Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith which got huge ratings and to see that same crossover happen to cable news was insanely stupid

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This speaks more towards how shitty and reactionary the media has become over anything else. When you have one political party who hates them and half of the rest of the country has legitimate grievances with them, it's not surprising.

This is what happens when hot take panel discussions to both sides everything and screaming hyperbole from all directions takes over

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twitterfriends posted...

New York has 328 cases of coronavirus, with 112 new cases, New York Governor Cuomo announced.

Yup, my county just got their first confrontation

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There's no good billionaires. Take all their money

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AirFresh posted...

The first time we spent the night together he cried. He said he didnt deserve this, said hed been a bad person and a bad feminist. We didnt fool around, he just cried and talked about how he wanted to change. Hes been working hard.

Lmao he's playing her so hard

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I wouldn't vote for Trump, but if Bloomberg gets the nomination, I kinda hope Trump gets re-elected as a fuck you to the Democratic Party.

I mean, Bloomberg would just be Trump 2.0 anyway except he'd be competent enough to fuck us over even harder than Trump.

I will immediately bet on Trump winning reelection if Bloomberg is handed the nomination. Because he's not going to get the majority of the delegates starting so late. So the only thing that could happen is him handed the nomination at the convention, which will lead to mass protests and riots from Sanders supporters and any real person who gives a shit about democracy. And I promise you that enough of us will sit out the election to hand it to Trump.

We're not fucking around, give it to Bloomberg and we'll give them Trump

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EvenSpoonier posted...

It's funny watching the Berniebusters get all scared of this guy.

Anyone supporting any other candidate should be livid that a racist Republican is trying to buy a political party

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hockeybub89 posted...

We might as well just close America if we get a Trump vs Bloomberg election. You can only come back from so low of a low.

I'll vote straight down ticket and leave the Presidency blank if that's the case. The party is lucky I live in NY and not a swing state but even if I did I would have an extremely hard time voting for Bloomberg. Him buying a political party simply because he doesn't want Sanders or Warren to raise his taxes is everything wrong with this nation and I'd rather watch the county be engulfed into complete chaos than support that bullshit. And no amount of shaming will ever get me to support Michael Bloomberg

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Do not let this man become the party's nominee people. I'm begging you all, tell everyone you can, do not vote for him and vote for LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE in the primary. Sanders, Biden, Warren, Amy, Pete, fucking Steyer I don't care, just never vote for Michael fucking Bloomberg

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He looks way fucking better than the pathetic orange spray tan and comb over. And even then it's not good

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Truly some of the worst stuff you will hear online.

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What's really funny is that if Bernie wins this thing and it is him vs Trump all these same people crying on the media will love it when we are attacking Trumps troll army.

Or they can cry about it and pretend Michelle's "when they go low we go high" shit worked

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God damn man, I'm so so sorry you had to deal with this. I'm so glad you were able to be there for her and tell her about your future.

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COVxy posted...

That's not what the evidence suggests...

Lets assume for a second that racism was the primary motivating factor for all of Trump voters, something which I don't deny was a big factor for a lot of them but not all of them.

Why on Earth would these same voters suddenly come back and support Biden? Simply because he's a man and Hillary was a woman? That's an absolute ridiculous concept. You're going to need to either excite a bunch of new voters(like Sanders does with his younger base) or have a candidate that speaks towards something that motivates them(like Sanders does with trade, something Trump himself acknowledged). Biden simply coming in and going "C'mon man, I'll have politics back like it was during Obama and I'm not Trump" isn't going to be enough for most people. And furthermore, people's lives under Obama were not fine and because of this we were able to see someone like Trump rise to and maintain power.

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COVxy posted...

Most of the reasons people talk about why Trump actually took these types of regions are complete narrative, divorced from data.

It reminds me when the media type went out and interviewed these people from the swing districts and treated them like they were on a fucking safari interviewing people from another planet. The reason why people there switched to Trump was not because of his racism, it wasn't because of his fear mongering bullshit, it's because he spoke about their jobs and industries collapsing and promised he'd help them. It was complete bullshit but it was a hell of a lot better than telling coal workers "you need to find a new line of work" or "you should move to the city" or whatever the dumb strategy that the Clinton camp tried to do.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Not only is Biden performing better in primary polling in those states, he's also polling better against Trump in them.

It's so weird how how Sanders supporters talk matter-of-factly about support he just doesn't have. They really do live in Twitter.

Not only is polling for the general this far out ridiculous, this also flies in the face to what we've seen in recent elections. Populism is very, well, popular in the rust belt region that has seen their communities destroyed by NAFTA. I fucking work in a Obama to Trump county in PA near Scranton itself and I can promise you that "Scranton Joe" isn't something anyone cares about.

There's a reason why despite how red Ohio has gotten a Democrat like Sherrod Brown wins election after election. But hey, if people want to double down with a mild centrist like Biden be my guest. This time I'll be laughing at the videos of people crying along with the Trump voters

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foreverzero212 posted...

Yes picking a stiff like Tim Kaine was also a mistake that's important to bring up. Now we have Biden that is comfortable commenting on the idea of him picking a republican for VP. That ain't giving me hope he's going to make a better decision.

The party is starting to rally around Mike Bloomberg pisses me off more than anything. Same Mike Bloomberg that fucking spoke at the RNC in 2004 and praised Dubya for starting the Iraq War and was a registered Republican last year.

Fuck him and fuck their party.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Trump for all of his failings as a leader and a human being understood his electorate in a way Hillary never did. Interestingly enough, I don't think he ever really believed he had a chance.

This, and I'm trying to tell people over and over again that running a milquetoast centrist against Trump is not going to get it done. Telling people "we will go back to how it was under Obama!" fundamentally is ignoring how Trump was able to rise and win in the first place, and it is ignoring the sentiment in the entire Western world with regards to third way policies. It also is ignoring how Obama was able to win and flip a lot of Republican voters over as when he first ran he ran as something bigger than the standard Democrat. It's also ignoring that a lot of peoples lives fucking sucked under Obama.

Joe Biden will lose to Trump, each day that passes I'm more convinced of that and people need to understand that

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CruelBuffalo posted...

ah so nothing

Not yet but I can all but guarantee that if Sanders gets the votes and has the most pledged delegates going into the convention and isn't named the nominee not only will whoever is nominated get steam rolled by Trump, there is going to also be a mass riot and protests that break out.

Not only that but I can also promise you right now that Biden will lost to Trump. He's not going to win back PA/MI/WI or flip enough states otherwise. So the DNC had better tread carefully if they try to prop him up as a candidate

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CruelBuffalo posted...

what specifically did the DNC do to stop Bernie but benefit everyone else in 2020

I mean, staffing the DNC rules committee with Hillary and Obama people who openly show contempt for Sanders....

But I'm sure they'll totally be fair and impartial

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Biden will lose to Trump and all the big brained centrists and pundits will blame "Bernie Bros" and young voters for low turnout numbers and then wonder why insulting and mocking his supporters didn't make them come out and support Joe.

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Sanders critique of how George Wallace came to some power and had support and it's parallels to Trump are like, completely matched up. The media doesn't realize the more they try the more we're going to push back and dunk on their dumbasses. Anyway, seriously tell me this doesn't sound like Trump:

"Although many of them agree with Wallace's approach to the issues, their attraction to Wallace goes well beyond the issues. They see in Wallace a man who is standing up to the Establishment - a tough little guy fighting for them. They admire his courage and straightforwardness. 'He comes right out and says what he feels. He doesn't care what anybody else thinks.' is a typical response."

And basically, the entire damn article you could sub in 'Trump' for 'Wallace' and it makes sense

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s0nicfan posted...

Bernie fans also love to call Warren a corporate stooge that's just stealing his platform, so Warren voters going to another corporate stooge shouldn't be THAT strange, right?

I'm convinced there's a lot of people that jumped from Kamala to Warren simply not based on any policy but because they wanted a woman to win and they all blame Bernie for Hillary losing to Trump. Which is completely insane and shows these people don't really care about anything but id pol..

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berlyman101 posted...

My black friend from Alabama texted my college friends group chat on Sunday.

"Aye, Nonetheless though, at least it wasn't Connor McGregor. He still owes me another fight to make up for that bs last weekend"

He was referring, of course, to the death of Kobe Bryant

Lmao cold blooded.

Yeah it's anecdotal as fuck but I live in a rather small city in a rather rural area and either any time I've gone to my buddies to watch a big fight or to the local college bar to watch, it's normally a fairly big range in terms of races. Granted, mostly everyone is dudes(well those interested in watching the fights themselves) but UFC has always had kind of mass appeal across racial lines in my experience, and I'd bet a lot of JRE fans would reflect that.

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I really would love to see a legit demo breakdown of his audience. I know that stuff is hard to come by and a bit in the weeds but I'm curious to see how big of crossover appeal he has to men/women, white/black/Latino/Asian/etc Americans, what ages, political affiliation, and such. I think it likely would be reflective as similar to UFC itself. People have this perception that UFC is watched by a bunch of 25-45 year old white dudes with tribal tats who drink Monster. And I'm sure those ages and race are probably still the highest, but I bet you the numbers(though UFC has dropped considerably these last 5-9 years or so) are a lot more diverse.


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He got in early and his connections throughout the MMA world and time in Hollywood allowed him to get some huge names. He also embraced having on "controversial" internet stars even from the very beginning of his show. I'm not a fan really and mostly only listened to some of his bigger or more controversial episodes, but there's no doubt that he was extremely good at marketing and selling his product.

I always laugh when, such as the whole Sanders dust up, idiotic people online tried to argue "he's not THAT big of a deal!". I mean, I'll admit that podcasting isn't a massive platform but the dude is clearly one of the top 5 with millions of downloads weekly and his YouTube channel views are huge. Hell, I was just watching a bit more of the Sanders interview to send someone a clip like 5 minutes ago and it went up 1,000 views within those 5 minutes! Dude has a MASSIVE audience. And while I'm sure it certainly skews male and probably white, I would bet his demographics have a lot more people of color and women than these establishment media morons would realize.

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ElatedVenusaur posted...

They were also the bulk of Kamala Harris' staff too.
It's almost like the Clintons valued loyalty over ability...

Watching Kamala's campaign go down in flames was delightful. I hope every single one they attach to performs similarly for life simply because they were too incompetent to stop Trump

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Caution999 posted...

If CE sent me a cake that said "close your account" I may just do it <3

Don't leave now, 2020 election is coming right up, shit's about to get fun again :D

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Because they do this stupid shit like this works or appeals to others when it only makes them look corny as hell

Also see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGIr4Mq_4C8

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SuperShake666 posted...

Triggered Trump supporters are triggered.

Yes, if there's one thing that describes me as libertarian socialist it is supporting a hard right wing government led by a hateful demagogue spewing nationalist rhetoric. Yah got me there.

Look, dunk on him all you want but when Wilson insults a lot of voters who supported Trump in spite of his hateful garbage and instead because he pointed out the "rich coastal elites don't give a fuck about you", all he is doing is proving the GOP right. And all it's going to do is drive more voter apathy for both parties, which helps the GOP. Or it pushes people to Trump, which helps the GOP. But hey, as a Republican cosplaying as a "resister", maybe that's Wilson's goal

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pegusus123456 posted...

I feel like the fact that Trump's approval hasn't gone that low despite being a blatantly incompetent crook is an argument that shit's quite a bit worse than it was in the Bush era.

Bush was a war criminal who got millions killed and watched New Orleans turn into a total disaster. It's close but I'd still put him worse than Trump

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Mr_Rian posted...

At the end of the day, this is a 100% Bullshit take. Because they would vote for him no matter what, and nothing that anyone says will ever sway them. His base would never waver no matter what you said to them. No matter what any nice things people have said to persuade them into voting wiser has worked. "This" is not why they vote for him.

You're not trying to pry away his base, his base will absolutely never leave him. But there's a reason why so many Independents broke for Trump and all you're doing is giving him ammo to use. But hey, try shaming people into supporting you. I'm sure that's not going to blow up and fail again.

None of this changes the fact that Rick Wilson is a piece of shit grifter who is perfectly fine supporting the Republican party policies of the Bush and Reagan years, none of which Trump has actually changed, he just wanted to do it behind the mask of being "respectable". Seeing all these dumb ass "never Trump" Republicans from the Bush years being celebrated as heroes is a joke.

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Rick Wilson is a fake ass grifter who was perfectly fine with the Republican party before Trump revealed it for the ball of hateful corruption that it always has been. He's cashed in on being a "Never Trumper" because it made him rich, that's all.

And shit like this is the stuff that Trump loves. It's red meat for his base to say "See, corporate elites don't give a shit about you and mock you. Why should you vote for them?". So thanks CNN, dumb fucks

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I Like Toast posted...

Don't vote please

Trump is a corrupt piece of shit who has completely used the Presidency to line his own pockets and spewed hateful rhetoric and inflamed the tensions in the nation that were already simmering.

Dubya was a literal war criminal who lied and got millions killed and created a surveillance system that completely destroyed privacy.

Take your pick, they both are fucking trash.

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Bush left office with a 28% approval rating according to 538's aggregate. Trump, on his worst, hasn't gone below like 36.5%. Obama never dipped below 40%.

Dubya was a garbage President and everyone knew it. Obama was likely always going to win but there's a reason why he blew the doors off McCain, and it wasn't all because of his own ability or because he was the first black President.

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"Well Joe, you're wrong" is going to be the type of thing the Sanders camp is going to push and he himself is likely to try and use at the next debate. We'll see if it catches on.

It'll eventually end with Biden and his people going "Bernie, you can't beat Trump!" met with "Well Joe, you're wrong!" followed by the Trump leaked tape of him saying he feared Bernie over anyone as VP because Bernie is a big trade guy.

It's an interesting strategy, but they have to hit back on the "can't beat Trump" stuff somehow

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Overheadnero posted...

Still funny that Obama hasn't endorsed him yet

He's trying not to split the party and I can't blame him. He knows how much youth support from Millennial and Gen Z voters as well as progressives in general that Bernie has and he know's his role as king maker so I imagine he'll stay out of it and not divide the party even further, throwing the election in a walk to Trump.

Unlike Hillary, Obama is actually still immensely popular with a large chunk of the voters, especially the 18-35 demographic. Last time YouGov checked it's something like 65% with Millennials. Hillary meanwhile is at a balmy 38%. Biden is at 42%. Bernie is at 53%.

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Overheadnero posted...

Its driving me crazy that this isn't said more often. Also, love that a potential leader of the most powerful country can't or won't try to convince why his ideas is the best way moving forward. Bodes well for him when he tries to get things done when it comes to congress.

"C'mon man....I can beat Trump! Me and Barrack are friends, remember?"

If Tulsi wasn't angling for a spot in the cabinet I'm sure she would have brought this up by now.

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Balrog0 posted...

Im pretty sure if you touched another dude like this in the old days youd have a duel

He like, plays with his jacket and shit too. It's just so weird and strange. Someone has to be like "Joe, ya gotta stop touching people." I don't know if he does it when flustered or nervous or uh, his weird smelling shit with girls and women, but it's just so frequent I can't believe he hasn't been told to knock it off before.

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I'm more fascinated by his inability to not touch people. I still give him the benefit of the doubt of being from a different time but c'mon Joe, personal space

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Rick Wilson is a fake ass grifter who has made millions since Trump's election while acting like he's some big "resister". He's only pissed Trump went mask off for the policies and parties he's supported for years.

And liberals lap it up

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Hope these people are ready to vote for a Democratic Socialist and not be hypocrites

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