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No way in hell is Trump winning Virginia

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Article 2 adopted as well, same count except Golden voted no

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https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1207477375426072576

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

omg they impeached him a couple days before christmas

iS nOtHiNg SaCrEd AnYmOrE

The Republicans are going to be very upset when they realize they did the same to Clinton 21 years ago!

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Corrik7 posted...

Lmfao. I can't imagine being you right now.

Yeah very naive of me to think that a single House Republican would put the good of the country over self interest

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Tulsi pathetic as always

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1 Republican yes vote!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure who

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I believe it's 216 to impeach atm due to vacancies

In which case, the motherfucker has officially been impeached!

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Article 1 vote is happening now

No surprises so far afaik (assuming it's not another random mystery Dem voting no with Peterson still out or something)

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Who?

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LeonhartFour posted...

because people are dumb

that isn't FFVIII's fault

As a LOST fan I empathize with this very specific frustration!

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The only (non-Amash) R vote for impeachment that seemed even vaguely possible isnt happening:

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1207409876491755526?s=21

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Hes already effectively above the law

He could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose a single Republican Congressional vote!

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Probably more of a Freudian slip than a conscious admission, but the self-owns keep coming:

https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1207281624108470272?s=21

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https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1207368688741081088?s=21

lmao

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Corrik7 posted...

Now that manaforts state charges have been dismissed, Trump can pardon him, I presume.

Would be a very stupid thing to do in the middle of impeachment!

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"Jesus was treated better than Donald Trump"

https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/1207388755478364160

You can't make this shit up

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https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1207387098136940556

lmao

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Trump is a sex offender

He even bragged about it on tape!

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https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1207339070621282304?s=21

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Thread

https://twitter.com/ecmclaughlin/status/1207303144838840320?s=21

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

switching to the republican party to own the president

Might be a more effective method for tanking Trump's GOP approval rating than presenting the facts...!

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The thing I don't understand is how he thought trashing impeachment was going to help the Dems politically. Like sure, if that's what you think argue it behind the scenes, but bashing the impeachment on the merits is counterproductive to your stated goal

Of course, then he saw his primary polling and abandoned whatever principles he did have...

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/rep-jeff-van-drew-was-almost-obsessively-anti-trump-before-he-considered-joining-his-party

For months, Rep. Jeff Van Drew, a freshman Democrat from New Jersey, has publicly trashed the impeachment process, calling it unfair, unfounded, and deeply damaging to the countrybut privately, this soon-to-be Republican had a much different reasoning.

Behind closed doors, Van Drew has told colleagues that the president was stupid and mentally unstableand that his opposition to impeachment stemmed from his belief that impeaching Trump would ensure his re-election, according to two Democrats present at closed-door discussions with the congressman.

A third verified Van Drew had disparaged the president in harsh terms, calling him crazy.

He was almost obsessively anti-Trump, said one of the Democrats. His only justification, and this was adamant, was that he thinks that [impeachment] will help Trump win.

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Doesn't really seem like it's free if there were services rendered in exchange!

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Presumably they won't be examining the FBI spying claim! Though notably the IG report that was just released shot that one down (as if it wasn't obvious bullshit from the start originating from Trump's crazed "tapp my phones" tweet)

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SmartMuffin posted...

Maybe 4 - "who cares."

But definitely also 2. It is certainly in the country's best interest to know whether or not the former vice president was engaging in rank and open corruption (which he almost certainly was). If he becomes a candidate for President, even moreso.

It's unbelievable to me that the same people who justify Obama ordering the FBI to spy on the Trump campaign based on a Hillary oppo research file think it's unconscionable to investigate Biden.

Probably a waste of time to really get into it, but I'll note that your premises are known to be false! Anyway, thanks for answering!

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Hey Muffin do you think that

1. Trump did not leverage the powers of his office to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden
2. Think he did, but that its okay
3. Think he did it and not necessarily think it was okay, but fuck you get over it
4. other?

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https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1207101446593884160

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Worth noting that polling indicates something like 70% of the public (and iirc a majority of Republicans) think that Trumps aides hes been blocking from testifying should do so at the Senate trial, so theres a real risk for Mitch here.

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Pretty sure writing this letter qualifies somebody for a one way trip to Arkham Asylum

https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1207018176686505986

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Jones certainly has a huge electoral incentive to defect, but I have a gut feeling that he won't. Possibly relevant is that afaik he's pretty good friends with Biden.

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Don't know if there'll be four votes or not. Probably Romney, but I wouldn't put any other individual R Senator over 50%.

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Sorry to... quadruple post but...

DMITRY FIRTASH, Ukrainian oligarch who is currently avoiding extradition to the US for conspiracy charges, was the one who paid Lev Parnass wife $1 million:

https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/1207006856973037569?s=21

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Good policy proposal from Romney and Bennet - a fully refundable child tax credit:

https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1206765781624770560?s=21

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Neither has AI Somnium FIles, though given what Mac listed I'm guessing it missed the list

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https://twitter.com/sppeoples/status/1206895643509301249?s=21

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Trump may not have gotten Time Person of the Year, but he can take solace in the fact that he got PolitiFact Lie of the Year!

https://twitter.com/PolitiFact/status/1206628733433593858

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Unfortunately "flood the zone with bullshit" appears to work pretty well, all things considered (despite the fact that Republicans have basically not contested the actual facts of what Trump did, instead offering a series of bizarre excuses, conspiracy theories, and what-abouts)

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Like does Muffin honestly think that if the Dem refused to debate against Trump the media wouldnt air it?

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Why wont they be fair and assist Trump in his abject cowardice

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Yeah I think you'd probably like it (at least based on the five episodes I've seen so far)

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red sox 777 posted...

I suppose this is an issue on which we simply have a factual dispute. Where you look at the sky and see one color and I look at it and see another color. So there's probably no sense in talking about it, but I would suggest that you go back and watch those debates again and think about it from the point of view of someone with no preconceived notions about either DJT or HRC.

I mean, we literally have post-debate polling for all three debates that showed huge margins of people thought Clinton won

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Yes, Trump will lose the debates against any of the Dems. Maybe not as decisively as he lost against Hillary depending on the candidate, but 1v1 Trump can't hide the fact that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about on any issue.

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Trump would probably get hurt either way, but it might be better for him to look like a coward than to decisively lose three debates.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Trump seemed to benefit from the debates with Hillary even though most people thought he did like shit, so this is weird. But if this actually goes through it seems like good news for Biden.

No he didnt; the polls swung against him by a ton after the debates. Then he somehow shut up for the last two weeks and slowly gained back most of what he lost until he was close enough for the Comey letter to put him over the edge.

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Also might as well call it now that Trumps going to at least initially refuse to debate the Dem nominee (possibly reversing if the backlash for being a fucking coward is intense enough):

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1206581028283965441?s=21

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Fiorina says Trump must be impeached:

https://twitter.com/zac_petkanas/status/1206608359841042434?s=21

And Bushs former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge says that what Trump did was an abuse of power:

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1206656367173390336?s=21

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Donald Trump retweets someone calling the FBI a criminal organization:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1206590608586027013?s=21

Party of law and order!

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Started watching Violet Evergarden while procrastinating on grading

Weird premise, but pretty good so far!

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