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Coercion is getting somebody to agree to do something by use of threats or force. Nothing in your story indicates that.

May I suggest your Dad is to blame? It seems he had repeatedly made poor decisions to his own detriment. He used rent money for cocaine far before being married.

I know its hard to watch a person you love mess up their own life, but blaming somebody else for his poor decisions and lack of self-advocacy only clouds the issue.
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One of the major problems with the show is the first seasons are massively overrated.

Its a great show. Very interesting. But it doesnt even come close to the actual greatest shows of all time like Breaking Bad, The Wire, and The Sopranos.

Its in that next tier down with another show that didnt execute the landing, Lost.
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Why do you care how other people spend their money?
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At least hes being honest with his racism and xenophobia now.
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TheWitchMorgana posted...

Sahuagin posted...

link to the document is here: https://collegian.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Inclusive-Language-Guide_10_30_18.pdf

This is not an official policy or required practice. This document is intended as a resource to help our campus community reflect our Principles of Community particularly inclusion, respect, and social justice. The language in the guide may not apply to every individual and it is critical to take personal preference into account.

who cares then

Only the people interested in gaslighting the weak minded among us.
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Tally Po: ICE was created in 2003 to handle the jobs of other agencies.

Also Tally Po: If we get rid of ICE, we will never be able to have anybody else handle their responsibilities.

And Im still waiting on the source which shows every child currently being held in makeshift prison has a parent who committed multiple crimes.
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Taily_Po posted...

kangolcone posted...

Right. He says ICE replaced other agencies and that agencies change all the time. Yet he also concludes that we cannot abolish ICE because there is no way of creating another agency to handle those responsibilities..

So you want to abolish ICE then create another agency to do the same thing? What exactly are you trying to resolve? Usually these changes happen to fit an actual purpose, but you just want superficial change for the sake of change.

I would hope new oversight and a narrowed scope would help to lessen the abuses of power we are currently seeing.
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I agree that ICE could be split or consolidated. I dont understand why you employ such fear monger tactics.
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Lirishae posted...

Taily_Po posted...

As I've had to explain numerous times in the past -- and yes, it's exhausting --

Oh, you poor, persecuted soul, you. Thing is, you can tell from both my comment and kangolcone's that we already knew this. Maybe you wouldn't have to explain these things if you would read a little more carefully.

Right. He says ICE replaced other agencies and that agencies change all the time. Yet he also concludes that we cannot abolish ICE because there is no way of creating another agency to handle those responsibilities..
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

...why is this discussion about choosing one or the other? Too hard to be rational?

What do you mean?
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Taily_Po posted...

To relieve you of just a little of your ignorance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement was formed pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, following the events of September 11, 2001. With the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, the functions and jurisdictions of several border and revenue enforcement agencies were combined and consolidated into U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Consequently, ICE is the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security, and the second largest contributor to the nation's Joint Terrorism Task Force.

The agencies that were either moved entirely or merged in part into ICE included the criminal investigative and intelligence resources of the United States Customs Service, the criminal investigative, detention and deportation resources of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and the Federal Protective Service. The Federal Protective Service was later transferred from ICE to the National Protection and Programs Directorate effective October 28, 2009. In 2003, Asa Hutchinson moved the Federal Air Marshals Service from the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to ICE,[12] but Michael Chertoff moved them back to the TSA in 2005.[13]

Right. The creation of ICE and DHS were just heavy handed government interventions to expand the power of the federal government and create a police state. I knew that and its part of the reason it should be abolished.
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Before ICE, the focus on deportations were for people committing criminal offenses.

It has been documented that ICE illegally detains people, wrongly deports people, and seeks out non-criminal immigrants.
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Taily_Po posted...

kangolcone posted...

Imagine thinking that a child who is in the back seat of a car when their parent gets pulled over for a DUI would also be incarcerated.

Imagine thinking that a child in the backseat of a car when their parent gets pulled over for a DUI and it's discovered that the parent also committed other crimes wouldn't be taken from the parent... especially considering that when a parent is arrested after a DUI a child is detained separately from the parent anyway.

So every child currently being held has a parent who committed multiple crimes?

Im going to need a source or citation for that one.

And yes, they do hold the children in a place until they can be safely taken care of. However, those places dont have multiple children dying in them and if they did, those places would be shut down.
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Ok, I lied. The dullards in this topic have got me going again.
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Taily_Po posted...

kangolcone posted...

Honestly nvm, I thought I had the energy for this today, but I dont. Sorry for wasting everybodys time.

ICE should be abolished. Thats my belief. But I long ago realized theres no changing minds here. I only do it when I feel like arguing. Guess I just dont have that in me today.

Again:
Taily_Po posted...

ICE literally handles illegal immigration enforcement, so in its absence pretty much anybody who can get in the country -- be it on a travel visa, student visa, work visa, or simply sneaking across the border -- gets to stay indefinitely. The end result? Rampant illegal immigration.

Meaning that you're literally getting rid of enforcement, which is an undeniably stupid thing to want.

So the United States never deported anybody before 2003?
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Imagine thinking that a child who is in the back seat of a car when their parent gets pulled over for a DUI would also be incarcerated.
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Lirishae posted...

kangolcone posted...

Honestly nvm, I thought I had the energy for this today, but I dont. Sorry for wasting everybodys time.

ICE should be abolished. Thats my belief. But I long ago realized theres no changing minds here. I only do it when I feel like arguing. Guess I just dont have that in me today.

No, you're not going to change the OP's mind. But there are other people lurking who may be swayed. That's why people who say ignorant, false, or illogical things should be challenged.

And many times I do, I just dont have it in me today.
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Honestly nvm, I thought I had the energy for this today, but I dont. Sorry for wasting everybodys time.

ICE should be abolished. Thats my belief. But I long ago realized theres no changing minds here. I only do it when I feel like arguing. Guess I just dont have that in me today.
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ICE should be abolished.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

I don't really give a shit, because I'm not a weeb, and I get the fact that 90% of the audience may not understand regional references or cultural quirks of other countries.

I thought this was going to be a topic about shows from one country being adapted in another (like the UK Office being adapted into the US Office, or Friends being adapted into the UK as Coupling, or the occasional (terrible) attempts to redo shows like Red Dwarf in the US), and that's a subject I actually tend to be more opinionated about. If only because I've seen multiple UK shows I like that were adapted into terrible US versions. But some adaptations like that are good, so it's hard to say it's always a bad thing.

I thought this too. I recently heard it goes the other way too. Theres a show in Russia called Its Always Sunny in Moscow.
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Somebody literally said casting decisions are being made to start a race war.

Wow.
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Hes got a hum in the drum.
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If you are eating reasonable portions of white rice alongside an array of fresh fruits, vegetables, high fiber items, and proteins, you will more than likely be healthy.

If you are going to chipotle and putting rice inside your flour tortilla for your burrito on a regular basis, you will likely have some negative effects.
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Lokarin posted...

captpackrat posted...

Ideally you should be receiving about 50-55% of your daily calories from carbohydrates. High carb diets increase the risk of obesity and diabetes, while a low carb diet increases the risk of heart disease and cancer.

Calories cause obesity... you can't be obese on a 100% carb diet of like 500 calories a day

There isnt a singular cause of obesity.
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Mushrooms are one of the handful of foods I absolutely detest.
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Dont know anything about the new one.

The original is comparable with its contemporaries such as Silverhawks, Thundercats, and He-Man.

They arent high quality but I liked them as a kid and they still hold nostalgia for me.

The one show that came by a little later that I want to rewatch is Mighty Max. Loved that show when I was like 10.
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Its an incredible thing.
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Zeus posted...

Yellow posted...

Have any of you bothered to fact check this?

It's California. But fine, let me check some headlines...

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/10/740147546/california-first-state-to-offer-health-benefits-to-adult-undocumented-immigrants

If NPR is reporting a story that makes the left look like shit, it's probably a real thing.

Yeah, because making sure sick people can have access to a doctor is abhorrent.
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We talking 12 oz, 20 oz, or 2 liter?
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The truth is that the immigrant population in the US commits crimes at a far lower rate than Americans do. Being an immigrant means statistically you are actually less likely to break the law.

Its funny how many facts over feelings idiots immediately go to emotional scare tactics for this and many other debated.
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Revelation34 posted...

kangolcone posted...

I love that a single freshman congressional representative has caused such fear Fromm republican snow flakes.

I didn't know republicans were SJWs.

Republicans are the ones who are losing their minds over a singular freshman congressional representative.
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The_tall_midget posted...

Mead posted...

I really dont have much to say about her at all. I dont think Ive ever made a single topic regarding the woman

Yet right wing posters cant seem to help themselves from bringing her up multiple times a day and any topic about her seems to get dozens of posts of yall frothing at the mouth about her

That's because she can't help herfel from saying and doing stupid shit. I've also had to hear more often than I wanted about Randy Pitchford and Fallout 76 in the last year, but that's because they keep failing miserably. If she stopped saying and doing stupid shit, nobody would talk about her. Why can't you leftist stop talking about Trump? Same perceived reasons, different side. Difference is that Trump actually doesn't fail at everything he does.

She's crazy, stupid, flip-flopping, and a dumb feminist. So she's basically a never ending source of entertainment and failure.

Trump is the President. Its the single most powerful person in the executive branch of the government.

Cortez is .1% of the legislative branch.

Acting as if the two are in equal standing does nothing but illustrate your ridiculousness on the issue.

Also, if she failed at everything she did, she wouldnt be in Congress and you wouldnt be posting about her from your house.
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I love that a single freshman congressional representative has caused such fear Fromm republican snow flakes.
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A normal person would make a topic like Hey, I just paid off my car.

Your topic turns into this weird self-congratulatory put down of other people.

Youre a strange dude.
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The places where these people are being held are the definition of concentration camps as laid out by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

I dont care what you ascribe the reason to. They are what they are. The main reason people have stated so far is that they arent harsh enough to meet that standard. Honestly, that just shows the historical ignorance which plagues our society because they conflate the systematic murders which began occurring in 1939 with the concentration camp system which started in 1933.
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OhhhJa posted...

Sahuagin posted...

the original question is really asking something like "could we get away with associating these with concentration camps for rhetorical purposes?"

That's what it really is. It's just another way for leftists to attempt to compare trump to hitler

Its not associating anybody with anything. Its using a term with a definition that meets the criteria. In reality, they are concentration camps, no matter how uncomfortable that makes you.

According to the Holocaust Memorial Museum The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy.

Its documented that people have died in custody from harsh conditions. It is documented that they dont have enough space for the people being detained. When conditions result in multiple deaths, those are harsh. They are held for an indefinite period even though they are claiming refugees status and have committed no crime. That is outside of legal norms.

So, other than meeting the exact definition provided by the people who everybody here claims is the group being insulted, what more would you like to call it a concentration camp?
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streamofthesky posted...

kangolcone posted...

streamofthesky posted...

CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

This. It's extremely insulting to the Jews, Roma, disabled, gays, Communists, and others that suffered unprecedented evil and brutality in the WW2 concentration camps to even remotely compare the border internment camps to them.

I'm not some literalist troll who's going to say only the nazi WW2 camps can be called concentration camps. You want to compare things like the Soviet gulags or Pol Pot's extermination camps to them, that's totally fair and reasonable.

But this? NO. I hate Trump, but stop disrespecting the hardships and tortures the victims of the nazis faced by comparing Holocaust victims to what he's doing to illegal immigrants. It really pisses me off.

It literally meets all the definitions of a concentration camp. The reason we are more comfortable with the term interment camp is because its our nice way of saying what we did to the Japanese was ok. The semantics of the issue are far less important than what is actually happening. Its not ok that we are treating people like this.

I agree interment camp is a better term to use.
It's still not ok. What we did to the Japanese-American citizens was wrong. What Trump is doing to the illegal immigrants now is wrong.
But it's on a whole other level than what the concentration camps were.

People think b/c the term used is different, it makes what we did to the Japanese-Americans in WW2 ok?

Define for me the differences.
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streamofthesky posted...

kangolcone posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

kangolcone posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

Don't want to get put in a border camp don't enter a country illegally while ignoring several safe countries on your journey to gibs me dat. Send them back. If they do not fit, you must launch into orbit.

Please look up the vian Conference and come back for further discussion.

Please allow 20 refugees to live in your house for a year or two and let them eat your food use your electricity etc (then come back to us in year or two with your findings?) Sound good to you? Good fences make good neighbours. It isn't sustainable just allowing hordes of low iq, possibly criminals etc to flood your country it effects the people on the lower rung of society and the middle-class. Your risk turning the country into the country they left. They need to fix their own countries first.

Facts > feelings.

I like how you use the cliche Facts>Feelings when you didnt respond to the post and instead present a solely emotional appeal with zero facts presented.

By the way, The Evian Conference was where Hitler said he would let the Jews leave the country. Congratulations on literally suggesting the same thing as Hitler.

hitler said a lot of things that were lies.
The whole appeasement of him was literally him repeatedly saying he just wanted this one other piece of Europe, and then he'd be a good boy, and the other European powers ceding it to him.

The reality: Jews and other victims tried to escape nazi Germany and all the other countries he ended up conquering (who obviously weren't part of Germany and yet he had no hesitation to send the Holocaust victims in those countries to the death camps as well vs. exiling them) and the nazis tried their hardest to prevent them from doing so.

Congratulations on literally still falling for hitler's bs 80 years later when the lessons of history REALLY should've taught you better by now.

Appeasement is not the Evian Conference. Im not sure why you start off your argument talking about something barely tangentially related.

Whether Hitler had any intention of letting Jews leave is irrelevant for two reasons. The other countries were unwilling to accept the Jewish refugees, so we will never know. Secondly, even if he had no intention of allowing it, its the exact same idea as was suggested by another poster. If they dont want to be put in camps, they should leave. If people dont want to be compared to Hitler, perhaps parroting one of his ideas about refugees isnt the best start.
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streamofthesky posted...

CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

This. It's extremely insulting to the Jews, Roma, disabled, gays, Communists, and others that suffered unprecedented evil and brutality in the WW2 concentration camps to even remotely compare the border internment camps to them.

I'm not some literalist troll who's going to say only the nazi WW2 camps can be called concentration camps. You want to compare things like the Soviet gulags or Pol Pot's extermination camps to them, that's totally fair and reasonable.

But this? NO. I hate Trump, but stop disrespecting the hardships and tortures the victims of the nazis faced by comparing Holocaust victims to what he's doing to illegal immigrants. It really pisses me off.

It literally meets all the definitions of a concentration camp. The reason we are more comfortable with the term interment camp is because its our nice way of saying what we did to the Japanese was ok. The semantics of the issue are far less important than what is actually happening. Its not ok that we are treating people like this.
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KnoxKorner posted...

kangolcone posted...

Because its a nonsensical argument that bares no connection with whats being discussed and isnt based on any facts.

Btw, when you say Refugees are free to leave the country when thats exactly what Hitler did, its not Godwins Law as much as it is you suggesting the same thing that Hitler suggested.

Here how about this. State one factual statement that isnt an emotional appeal in an attempt to defend why they arent Concentration Camps.

Tell us why you are pro human trafficking first.

Lmao. So the people allowing the children to die while in the custody of the federal government are interested in the best interests of children?

Most human trafficking in the US is done by people from the US. Secondly, most cases involving foreign nationals, use legal means of entry.

Provide me with evidence that the refugee population is a main issue in human trafficking.
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KnoxKorner posted...

kangolcone posted...

Also, the phrase good fences make good neighbors actually has the exact opposite meaning of what you think it does. But its not surprising that a Ben Shapiro fan wouldnt understand Robert Frost.

"It is from their foes, not their friends, that cities learn the lesson of building high walls."

- Aristophanes

"Love thy neighbor, yet don't pull down your hedge."

- Benjamin Franklin

The proverb refers to a more modern psychological understanding of human relationships -- boundaries. When boundaries are clear, relationships can better prosper. If you know where you stand, where your property begins and ends, and are free to do on your side as your neighbor is on his or hers, it makes for better relationships between people. Nothing can be more contentious between neighbors than a property boundary dispute, good or strong fences remove the possibility of that contention.

I understand the idea is older, but the specific quote Good fences make good neighbors is specifically about how the insistence of a physical wall causes friction in a relationship.
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Because its a nonsensical argument that bares no connection with whats being discussed and isnt based on any facts.

Btw, when you say Refugees are free to leave the country when thats exactly what Hitler did, its not Godwins Law as much as it is you suggesting the same thing that Hitler suggested.

Here how about this. State one factual statement that isnt an emotional appeal in an attempt to defend why they arent Concentration Camps.
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CTLM posted...

kangolcone posted...

CTLM posted...

kangolcone posted...

CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

What you are referring to is the death camps which started well after concentration camps had been established. It actually dates back to the Boer War and what the English did.

If we really want to talk about whats insulting, maybe inaccurately representing history isnt the best way to go about it.

They are in fact Concentration Camps as defined by the Nationals Holocaust Museum, so I guess its not all that insulting.

Started as concentration camps, with no intention of anyone getting out alive. Death camp wasn't catchy enough for an initial name title. Only for a heavy metal band possibly

The first Concentration Camp was started in 1933. They wouldnt start the first organized killings until 1939. You dont know enough about this subject to be having the discussion.

That's funny because actually I do. I did extensive writing and research regarding the Nuremberg Trials, the individuals involved and how the concentration camps came to be in the first place.

But it's cool; keep trying to vehemently defend your stance over the usage of a word.

Then you know Im right that the Nazis started Concentration Camps in 1933 and Hitler actually offered people the chance to leave in 1938 before the mass killings started in 1939.

If you actually researched what you say, you would know this and understand that the term Concentration Camp is entirely appropriate.
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Also, the phrase good fences make good neighbors actually has the exact opposite meaning of what you think it does. But its not surprising that a Ben Shapiro fan wouldnt understand Robert Frost.
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Fazeo13 posted...

kangolcone posted...

Fazeo13 posted...

Don't want to get put in a border camp don't enter a country illegally while ignoring several safe countries on your journey to gibs me dat. Send them back. If they do not fit, you must launch into orbit.

Please look up the vian Conference and come back for further discussion.

Please allow 20 refugees to live in your house for a year or two and let them eat your food use your electricity etc (then come back to us in year or two with your findings?) Sound good to you? Good fences make good neighbours. It isn't sustainable just allowing hordes of low iq, possibly criminals etc to flood your country it effects the people on the lower rung of society and the middle-class. Your risk turning the country into the country they left. They need to fix their own countries first.

Facts > feelings.

I like how you use the cliche Facts>Feelings when you didnt respond to the post and instead present a solely emotional appeal with zero facts presented.

By the way, The Evian Conference was where Hitler said he would let the Jews leave the country. Congratulations on literally suggesting the same thing as Hitler.
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CTLM posted...

kangolcone posted...

CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

What you are referring to is the death camps which started well after concentration camps had been established. It actually dates back to the Boer War and what the English did.

If we really want to talk about whats insulting, maybe inaccurately representing history isnt the best way to go about it.

They are in fact Concentration Camps as defined by the Nationals Holocaust Museum, so I guess its not all that insulting.

Started as concentration camps, with no intention of anyone getting out alive. Death camp wasn't catchy enough for an initial name title. Only for a heavy metal band possibly

The first Concentration Camp was started in 1933. They wouldnt start the first organized killings until 1939. You dont know enough about this subject to be having the discussion.
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Fazeo13 posted...

Don't want to get put in a border camp don't enter a country illegally while ignoring several safe countries on your journey to gibs me dat. Send them back. If they do not fit, you must launch into orbit.

Please look up the vian Conference and come back for further discussion.
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CTLM posted...

Your poll is a joke

Hyyr posted...

I have never heard of a concentration camp where the inmates were free to simply walk home if they desire.

Absolutely. They came by choice, are getting fed pretty good meals, and medical care. Don't like? Walk your ass back home. No one is stopping you

How dare you compare these people to what the Jews went through. It's insulting to Jews. They aren't being tortured, beaten, starved to death, having medical experiments being performed on them or even straight up attempted genocide.

Japanese went through our own concentration camps that were not very pleasant. But to compare these people and their experiences to a concentration camp is ludicrous at best

What you are referring to is the death camps which started well after concentration camps had been established. It actually dates back to the Boer War and what the English did.

If we really want to talk about whats insulting, maybe inaccurately representing history isnt the best way to go about it.

They are in fact Concentration Camps as defined by the Nationals Holocaust Museum, so I guess its not all that insulting.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

RCtheWSBC posted...

Not only can bisexual people be attracted to trans and non-binary folks, but as with pansexuality, there are trans and non-binary people who identify as bisexual. If youre someone who chooses bisexual as the identity that fits you best, then thats totally fine. There are lots of people who are non-binary who are bisexual. That doesnt mean that you are reinforcing the gender binary. It doesnt mean that you are less enlightened than pan folks, theres no identity that makes you automatically more enlightened. Its just about which identity aligns best with who you are and how you work.

So they're identical except the wording is different to suit their political stance.

Nothing in that quote is political.
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