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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:46:30 PM
#182
Balrog0 posted...
Yeah of course, why would I have changed my mind?


LOL

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TopicC/D: The Bible is the literal, infallible word of God
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09/18/19 4:44:47 PM
#14
DarkChozoGhost posted...
Virtually all religious scholars.


That's a lie. The idea that the Bible can't have errors in it is a relatively recent idea. The earliest church scholars didn't believe such a thing, and they couldn't have because errors got into copies during manual transmission of oral traditions all the time.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:43:16 PM
#178
Balrog do you still support a carbon tax

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TopicC/D: The Bible is the literal, infallible word of God
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09/18/19 4:37:19 PM
#12
DarkChozoGhost posted...
I'm not saying it's devoid of value, but the God of the bible can not be real if the bible is not 100% accurate and perfect.


According to who?

Btw it's definitely not 100% accurate and perfect.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:34:03 PM
#173
JustMyOpinion posted...
Why does this cost 2.5 trillion when we already have enough housing for all of yhe homeless here in the US?


Yeah we should just seize private property and send the rich to the wall. @QueenCarly can lead the revolution

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:28:36 PM
#166
QueenCarly posted...
Loon?

Loons are pretty cool birds


Yes they are pretty cool birds

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:24:56 PM
#162
QueenCarly posted...
Clod gonna Clod


And Loon gonna Loon

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:19:31 PM
#157
QueenCarly posted...


Oh look, yet another Holodomor denier on CE.

Where are the fucking mods?

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:15:57 PM
#154
Tupacrulez posted...
I love watching Americans argue about shit other countries have figured out decades ago.


Must be why in Canada, France, Germany, the UK, etc, housing is expensive af and people feel like they just need to rent lol

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:15:30 PM
#153
QueenCarly posted...
It's not like awful famine occured or anything.

It's not like private farmers intentionally burned crops rather than collectivize.

Yep, definitely communism at fault.

FOH


The famine was in fact communism's fault. It was manufactured as a genocide to wipe out people who opposed the proletariat.

Which you're totally fine with btw since you said you support violence against anyone who opposes the revolution.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:10:51 PM
#147
QueenCarly posted...
How to fix the homelessness problem.

Get rid of landlords and real estate companies. Both are nothing but scum.


Worked great in the Soviet Union and eastern Bloc of Europe

Absolutely no one starved to death or was wandering the streets

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:07:06 PM
#143
Balrog0 posted...
Oh yeah, I'm aware. That's partially because of regulations and partially because of natural gas. But there are plenty of super polluters left with no timeline for closure, too...


They can be bought out the moment we flip the switch and the entire grid is running on clean energy with plenty of storage capacity for night time use.

We just need the will to raise the capital and pay people to install the new tech on public land and in lots available all across the country.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:02:11 PM
#138
TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 4:00:56 PM
#137
Balrog0 posted...
Maybe eventually it would -- but you understand that, economically, they aren't going to shutter coal plants and get rid of gas powered cars (and so on) just because an alternative exists, right? It's kind of surprising to see you think that throwing money at the problem will solve it tbh


LOL did you not know that the largest coal companies have been going bankrupt despite Trump's promises to save them?

Google it, they're closing rapidly because they can't compete with renewables.

Gas cars are short lived. We can address climate change with trees, solar, wind, and a smart grid before we get rid of all gas cars btw.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:56:10 PM
#134
Balrog0 posted...
it's a joke because in your prior persona you would say that kind of thing about people who aren't investing for retirement and are poor because they are bad with money


Someone making bad financial decisions is entirely different from a politician CEman stunting the working man's standard of living.

Balrog0 posted...
anyway you can't target the companies without targeting the consumer


You absolutely can. Take a giant pile of money and invest into making the grid and transportation 100% renewable, including with tons of storage capacity for low times. That will basically collapse the Oil companies and get us a considerable distance of the way to unfucking the planet.

Take some of that giant pile of money and invest it into making the giant shipping vessels clean and renewable too.

Etc.

Balrog0 posted...
It would take the entirety of the US to do this. Where would we put them all? I assume you're referencing this study at least: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/07/adding-1-billion-hectares-forest-could-help-check-global-warming


You would plant them across the globe. $16 trillion gets us a lot of wiggle room for paying people to go work abroad, all expenses covered. In a few years we could get it done.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:51:42 PM
#129
Broseph_Stalin posted...
No bernie wants the same kind of government control over the building process, where some moron on a council can block construction because it's """exclusionary""". We don't need more of this garbage


But....but.....BUT!!!! What about the bodegas? How will we stop gentrification?!?!

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:47:22 PM
#126
Broseph_Stalin posted...
This is how housing works in the US:

Property developer wants to build an apartment over an old gas station.
Locals block it from happening because those apartments are for rich tech bros and it would displace working-class people, for some reason.
Rich tech bros can't get those apartments so they go looking for existing units.
Turns out working-class people can't outbid tech bros.
Working-class people get displaced anyway because when there is a restricted supply of housing the poorest are the ones who end up homeless.

This obsession with what kind of housing gets built is what has turned entire cities into country clubs. The government does not need even more power when it comes to zoning, let people build.


No that is how it works in California and Seattle. We don't have that problem here in Chicagoland

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:46:46 PM
#124
Balrog0 posted...
I'm pretty sure a $75/ton tax on carbon emissions translates into around $325/year for households in the lowest income quintile. Why don't they just not buy starbucks, right?


Yeah fuck people for liking Starbucks. Why fix the problems at the level of the overwhelmingly largest contributors of CO2, which is just a handful of companies mostly in the oil sector? We can just have Balrog implement more taxes on the working man

Because we all know everyone signed up for ACA in order to avoid the tax, right? And there definitely is no risk of people just continuing their purchasing under more burden, which won't actually fix the problem.

Balrog0 posted...
I think you're vastly underestimating the problem. Do any of the Dems even back nuclear energy in the first place?


They do not except maybe for Biden I think? and it is my biggest criticism of Bernie and Warren's plans. But the magnitude of the investment should get us all the way to carbon neutral and carbon negative if we use it correctly, even if it doesn't involve nuclear.

$16 trillion over 10 years gets us a lot of renewables and research. All it would take is half a trillion to a trillion to plant 1 trillion trees which would decarbonize the planet.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:42:41 PM
#120
Damn_Underscore posted...
If Bernie wins the election, he will be one of the most disappointing Presidents ever. Not all of it will be his fault, but he'll fulfill almost none of his promises.

Warren's plans are more realistic tbh


He for sure can implement a giant investment into solving climate change and he can probably get Medicare for all expanded greatly if he gets two terms. Everything else probably not.

Warren's investment amount into fighting climate change is pathetic so she doesn't have my support. $2.7 trillion over 15 years? Not enough, and too long. Fuck her.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:39:27 PM
#116
Balrog0 posted...
I mean, if regular working people have lifestyles with destructive externalities then maybe they should hurt a bit

I don't think we will or should spend that much when a carbon tax would help as much or more than any GND proposal I've seen. like I said, haven't seen Bernie's specific plan.


Yeah fuck the average working American for enjoying some air conditioning, a nice car, and a good meal. They should pay for their externalities by becoming as poor as the third world.

Who cares if we can just invest money into a smart grid and renewables and research to actually, you know, solve the problem.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:34:15 PM
#113
Balrog0 posted...
any serious plan to deal with climate change is gonna include a carbon tax that would necessarily reduce sprawl tbh


Nah fuck the carbon tax.

If you can't fix climate change with $16 trillion over 10 years, a carbon tax won't help you.

All it would take to fix it btw is 1 trillion new trees. That would sequester more carbon than the entire planet emits, for a long time. Enough time to get us to fusion.

A carbon tax would hurt regular working people.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:31:25 PM
#111
Who is Sackgurl's main? Anyone know

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:30:59 PM
#110
Broseph_Stalin posted...
bernie's GND also subsidizes urban sprawl which not going to help either.


We have to "subsidize" it because it already exists and we don't have time to move everyone into mega cities before the climate has to be fixed.

Gotta address the issues where the people are. Not that I see anything really wrong with urban or suburban sprawl or lawns.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:29:34 PM
#107
Sackgurl posted...
i don't think you should be using the word 'most' there. the trump admin changed the rules for short term plans in particular

regardless, it's definitely not free if you pay eight thousand a year for the plan

and access is limited if the plans that cost much less don't have free preventative services (they don't)


Anyone who can't afford a plan that has free preventive services will most likely receive a subsidy via the ACA marketplace and thus have access to a plan that has them.

And if you can't call them free because of the premiums, you can't call it free care because of taxes. Let's be fair here.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:24:24 PM
#101
Sackgurl posted...
increasing financial access to healthcare drives up preventative services which are very cheap compared to emergency/inpatient service


Most insurance plans provide preventive services for free already

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:19:13 PM
#98
foreverzero212 posted...
His views are an example of fish hook theory. Radical centrism.


get outta here with that bullshit, fam

I'm a staunch centrist myself

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:14:20 PM
#92
Broseph_Stalin posted...
Oh, Bernie doesn't hate private housing! He just wants to tax it, impose price controls and uphold the power government has with America's ridiculous zoning laws. All while pouring money into public housing. That's all!

And just ignore that time he lied about abolishing private insurance under his healthcare plan.

I'm not in a cult btw you're just indoctrinated by Republicans.


Afaik Bernie never lied about it, he openly said he'd ban private health insurance a long time ago even

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:13:45 PM
#91
Questionmarktarius posted...
Of course, all this means is anyone who can keep a private doctor on retainer will do so, while the rest of us are stuck with shitty proletariat care.


Possibly. It depends on how we leverage technology. It may be mature enough that we can have quality care without compromising access and without having to pay a ton.

The private sector completely fucked up their opportunity in healthcare.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:12:47 PM
#89
Sackgurl posted...
Fortunately, he is proposing to fund a significant new supply.


In which case the point raised by @Questionmarktarius earlier is valid.

Bernie cannot have it all and the private sector is more than capable of supplying quality housing at good prices when they aren't regulated to death

Webmaster4531 posted...
Citation needed


Google it, it is common knowledge by now. You aren't paying enough attention.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:10:06 PM
#85
Webmaster4531 posted...
Well personally I think we should do a public option. Private insurance actually still exists in places with universal healthcare.


Bernie has explicitly said he'd ban the private sector from operating in health insurance, maybe even healthcare more broadly depending on how you wanna read into his claims

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:09:14 PM
#84
Broseph_Stalin posted...


Don't argue with me if you're just going to point out I'm right. This isn't about helping the chronically homeless, it's about expanding public housing to anyone considered low-income. And you don't even want to admit he supports rent control.

I don't regurgitate talking points, that's a bernie bro thing. Get informed instead of following some cult leader who promises you the world.


I mean my only reason for supporting Bernie is his climate change plan, and MAYBE Medicare for all. (I used to work for United Healthcare, fuck that company tbqh)

I agree with you on this tho, the housing plan is nonsense. If he insists on it I might reconsider my support and just donate 2x to his opponents. Rent control is idiotic.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:02:21 PM
#81
Webmaster4531 posted...


Yeah, you're indoctrinated. Bernie Sanders isn't abolishing private enterprise.


Not in housing, but he does want to abolish it in the private health insurance sector.

Whether or not that's good is separate from whether or not he wants to bre

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 3:01:02 PM
#78
I could've sworn Broseph Stalin was a leftist

How the fuck do I support Bernie and he doesn't

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 2:48:33 PM
#70
uwnim posted...
That happens when you make areas full of poor people. To reduce crime, you redistribute those people throughout multiple areas so they are less likely no come into contact with other criminal people and you don't end up with hellholes where illegal activities seem like the only way to survive.


How will you prevent people from leaving those areas and just settling down together in more stable areas that are safer and nicer?

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 2:45:53 PM
#66
Sackgurl posted...
This paper offers a mixed-method analysis of the municipal-level consequences of an affordable housing development built in suburban New Jersey.


I don't give a fuck about New Jersey. Don't ignore what happened in Chicago. The communities around the projects were barely livable. Once they tore them down, things improved drastically and people could actually go to the park with their kids and walk around at night.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 2:42:43 PM
#63
Balrog0 posted...
ah yes I too remember when we built mixed-income social housing and placed public housing in the wealthiest neighborhoods


Why do you have a fetish for forcibly locating public housing in "wealthy" neighborhoods? Why is it so important? If that public housing devolves into anything resembling the violence and depravity of the Chicago housing projects which were full of drugs, violence, and prostitution, will you accept responsibility for imposing violence on the people who just want to live normal quiet lives?

Bernie's take on public housing is wrong

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 2:38:18 PM
#60
@Orchestrion

https://imgur.com/a/Y9ugLcY

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 1:13:39 PM
#23
More rent control? Yikes

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 1:06:17 PM
#14
Yesterday I donated to Bernie and supported him and I still do, due to climate change, but damn does this make it harder. Free everything! Raise 25 trillion no problem!!! Yikes.

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TopicBernie Sanders unveils 2.5 Trillion dollar Housing For All plan
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09/18/19 12:42:30 PM
#6
This seems like a really bad idea.

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TopicDay of the Dead bank robber charged with cultural appropriation because of mask
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09/18/19 9:23:22 AM
#2
The inmates are running the asylum

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TopicNew study: Not all instances of gender inequality are equally concerning
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09/18/19 9:19:53 AM
#16
lolife67 posted...
Men should advocate for these things more. I know why we don't (we can be dumb) but that attitude really needs to change.


The reason they don't is because the narrative and media are completely dominated by just women's needs, and contesting that or trying to bring light to men's issues gets you labeled an MRA. Even when MRAs have valid points.

This problem will probably get much worse before it gets better. You already see a ton of boys checking out of school due to being neglected and punished more severely for the same bad behaviors due to biases against boys. Etc.

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TopicNew study: Not all instances of gender inequality are equally concerning
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09/18/19 9:15:20 AM
#10
ZMythos posted...
What barriers exist that stop men from going into these fields?


Well according to Diversity & Inclusion pundits, the massive disparity is in itself evidence that there are barriers. So pointless question by those standards.

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TopicNew study: Not all instances of gender inequality are equally concerning
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09/18/19 9:14:02 AM
#7
pogo_rabid posted...
Another good example is the sheer focus on breast cancer vs prostate cancer. One has a super high survival rate, the other, is basically the inverse...however one gets all the funding and attention, while the other is practically ignored.


Or how men are far more likely to get injured at work, to commit suicidal, to be given harmful medicines for "ADD" when they're really just being energetic boys, etc.

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TopicNew study: Not all instances of gender inequality are equally concerning
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09/18/19 9:13:11 AM
#6
specialkid8 posted...
Did we need a new study for this?


Yes we did, because apparently some people are too blind to notice it otherwise. When was the last time you saw any mention of including more men in teaching positions? Maybe more schools need a Head of Diversity & Inclusion.



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TopicNew study: Not all instances of gender inequality are equally concerning
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09/18/19 9:09:50 AM
#1
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103118304633

Note it's not justifying the lack of concern for men. It's pointing it out.

"An emphasis on women's underrepresentation in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math roles (STEM) has not been matched by a similar concern about men's underrepresentation in Healthcare, Early Education, and Domestic roles (HEED)."

In other words, the people pretending to care about "diversity and inclusion" only care about it one way.

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TopicSo basically the white people came and killed 90% of Native Americans
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09/18/19 8:52:35 AM
#38
scar the 1 posted...
America is also still full of slaves.
And tell me again who exactly is condoning the slavery in the Arab world?


So somehow you're under the impression that there is still slavery in America, but simultaneously incapable of understanding the slavery in the Arab world?

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TopicSo basically the white people came and killed 90% of Native Americans
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09/18/19 8:51:07 AM
#36
coh posted...
The native Americans were killing each other long before white people came.


s0nicfan posted...
"More whites were brought as slaves to North Africa than blacks brought as slaves to the United States or to the 13 colonies from which it was formed. White slaves were still being bought and sold in the Ottoman Empire, decades after blacks were freed in the United States." - thomas sowell

https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans-were-slaves--research-suggests-white-slavery-was-much-more-common-than-previously-believed/

This is the response this topic deserves.



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TopicHundreds of thousands of Chinese propaganda accounts deleted on Twitter, Faceboo
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09/17/19 10:53:02 PM
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TopicWhat's Behind the World's Biggest Climate Victory? Capitalism
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09/17/19 9:31:15 PM
#5
The amount of carbon emissions per capital back in those days was probably zero or so close to zero that it is meaningless. So in no meaningful sense did Gengis Khan contribute anything.

India and Ethiopia planted 160 million trees and 300 million trees in 24 hours. Those two things alone both contribute infinitely more.

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