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Pendragon posted...

IOkay, full re-read is complete.
First, Doop's question. I don't exactly "prefer" to dump big walls rather than engage in the moment, it's more that I like to have them, because they keep me organized, but it takes time to make them. Especially when I've been gone for a while, I like to get my thoughts on everything that's happened while I'm gone.

Anyway, onto the big wall. Should be the last one for a while.

Ben:
It took me a while to figure out what I didn't like about you this game, but I've finally got it. For once, I'm not arriving to the exact same conclusions as you are about things. Whether that means you're scum remains to be seen. Neutral so far, maybe just slightly leaning scum on weird feelings about one or two things you've said.

Corrik (or, I suppose, hombad, now):
I really cannot read Corrik one way or the other, mostly because he seems to say a lot of things that he doesn't really mean. Neutral pending play from hombad.

Chris:
I kind of have to assume you're Town, because the alternative is that we're screwed. Which works out this time, because I actually think you are Town. There's one thing that you'll inevitably do to confirm this for me later, but for now, yeah.

Doop:
Like I said, it can be hard for me to decide how I feel about you sometimes. When you take it onto yourself to take a page from my book and do a player-by-player, though, I feel much more confident in saying you're Town.

Geno:
Pretty sure you're Town, both from being in Chris' confirmed Town book and from...well, let's be real, people don't do what you did on purpose. Scum especially.

Han:
I admit, I don't know you. Maybe you're always like this- never played with you before. What I do know is that it rubs me the wrong way, and not just the fact that you're targeting me.

HB:
See, things like this are the reason I re-read. I totally forgot you were new here. In that light, everything I thought was scummy is easily explained away. Plus, Chris vouches for you.

Death:
For how much you've been posting, I really have very little opinion on you one way or the other. Strange, that. I do commend you for going after geno, even if nothing really came of it- I'd have done the same, if I had been there.

Jedi:
Another new guy, but surprisingly competent. I like you for Town. Unrelated to reads, but I also love how Chris went all hostage negotiator with you when Corrik tried to attack you. 'Twas quite a laugh.

Lolo:
Similar to Death, I can't really tell whether you're Town or not. Except in your case, it's because I don't think I've played with you before.

Red:
I mean, everyone has it out for you, apparently because this isn't how you usually are. I wouldn't know. Reserving judgement for now.

Scare:
Yet another neutral read, maybe slightly Town for trying to provoke discussion a,onstage those who you admit you don't know.

FD:
Well, despite your taking offense to the way I phrased certain things, I have to say I have a mild Town read on you over all. You seem to know what you're doing, and you just generally make sense to me. What's your obsession with Sultan, though?

Shad:
Once again, Town gets mad when their reaction fishing is interrupted. That alone gives me a pretty strong read.

Sultan:
Pretty neutral overall, though I do like how you handled my (very weak) accusation. More likely Town than not.

Shonen:
I don't like how...not here you've been. Anything would be nice.

Terra:
Okay, you've literally not been here. Could I get an answer? Scum Terra likes to lurk, right?.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

benjamin3740 posted...

Han how do you feel about another night potentially resolving anything?

I remember asking Scare this and he said NO because he has you "dead to rights".

I don't think another night does resolve anything, unless another power role takes a look at one of us. It could be worth it to leave that avenue open. But it's impossible to ask a scanning role to commit to that anyway, without them outing themselves, which they absolutely shouldn't.

Now, leaving me alive DOES extend the possibility of me dying by using my power, which is confirming, so really that is the smart play. Scare cannot confirm himself through night action - but I can.

And still, right now, rereading through D1, my list has Scare as Scummish on it.

Anyway, I have an important post from Pendragon. I would like to direct your attention to how indifferent he is about a lot of people on it - most importantly, he has Townreads, but all the people who I think look Scummy he says nothing about... including Red.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Terra-enforcer posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Han and Scare are both power claims. Leaving them alive right now will only leave us with more info after night action events. So I wouldn't mind an alternative lynch.

Except not. One is a supposed one shot doc/commuter, and the other is BG. Those are roles that literally cannot be proven unless 1) they're targeted in some way, or 2) they block a kill. And both are a toss up at best, especially when we also have to hope that the actual doc doesn't target the same person as one of them or the actual nk pick which would essentially give them a freebie. They could very easily (and in fact are likely to) report on nothing if they stay alive, which doesn't get us anywhere.

Nah, BG's die often.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Terra, I don't have an answer for you on that yet without finishing my reread.

Here's what I can say so far:

After reading T1 again, the ONLY person to really ping my gut in the slightest was Death.

I have a very very very good gut. The best.

Scare ended up on my Scummish list with a couple of posts, but that may be influenced by our interactions today.

I am also currently doing a case study on Lolo, but I encourage everyone to go back and do an ISO on him. It's... odd.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Terra-enforcer posted...

Wait what? In what world could this be town town?? Scare might be one to lie, but he'd be an idiot to push it this far into the day. I don't think it could possibly be a facade on either side at this point; one of you is scum.

The idea that you seemingly almost want to just go halfway has me taken aback somewhat.

The idea of him being Town relies on the bolded part, yes.

geno4smash4 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I have a feeling Geno is going to remember his role as "Survivor".

I doubt, I remembered that switching alliances is pretty bastard so since I was told I'm town I will still be town after N2 ends.

That makes sense.

What if your role is Miller and you just haven't been told yet because eaed doesn't like our D1-Miller-Claim meta?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I have a feeling Geno is going to remember his role as "Survivor".
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

So here's an interesting thought... Ben and Death... kinda avoided each other for a bit. Then, Chris put them both on the same list.

Suddenly, they are pushing each other a lot. It almost reads as them trying to create separation from each other.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Ben was the first person to use the word "newcomer".

Hb had suggested that bosses are Scum early on.

Even though Newcomer is the opposite of Veteran and this isn't a tough logical leap, it is a little worrying that Ben used it so brazenly.

Topic 1, post 326 for those curious.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Sir Chris posted...

Ben
Red
Death
Scare.

This was Chris's reads of Scum on page 6 of topic 1.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

So, interesting thing so far - I'm almost done with the first topic, and only one person has actually pinged my gut at all.

My Townish list is up to 6 though.

(And this doesn't include dead players)
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Pirate, Scare is lying about his claim on me. He has done nothing all game and is just prodding me because he knows it riles me up. He's not even trying to play the game. He is literally not trying.

I'm firing at him because he's firing at me. And since he has the balls to call me playing bad, I'm going to point out his real bad play from past games. And his real bad play in this game.

It is distracting me a bit from my reread, though.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Han didnt some people in the sign ups say they came from the smashfaq page beacuse someone linked the game to it?

I think that's a little to much metta

It probably is. As Hb said, geno4smash is a name that sounds like "this is just a guy who made an account to post on the smash boards", so it makes sense for him to be there.

But the post read weird, because that sounds like one of those "somebody told Hb that and he's accidentally repeating what he read on the Scumboard".

I've still got Hb firmly in the Townish tier, though, atm. Surprisingly, you're there too!
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

htaeD posted...

Han, how many times did we say that Jester is banned?

I dunno, I missed like 5 years of B8 mafia history.

Hbdabatale posted...

Id hazard a guess the whole villain thing from Geno can be chalked up to inexperience rather than anything else, the guy came from SmashFAQs as I did. I wouldnt harp on him for it.

In rereading, Hb still looks VERY Townish, but what are the chances Hb says Geno came from SmashFAQs because he read it on the Scumboard?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

Also han is trying to cover his bases if you guys lynch me first and see I'm town so he can say "idk guys scare made a crazy gambit there wow" . Hes trying to say I'm town and scum at the same time

Why don't you actually provide some real fucking content?

Oh, you can't. You don't know how. Because you're trash Scum, and you're so bad at Scum, that the only thing you can do is suicide into someone.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

When's the last time B8 had a Jester?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

Also han is now literally arguing scum bomb

Or at very least planting the seeds for fear

Like come on dude you're better than this

JESUS FD

CAN YOU NOT SEE HOW OBVIOUS THIS IS

I just made a brief aside to a possibility, and now Scare is saying "omg Han literally thinks I'm Scum bomb, wow he's so bad".

There's literally no way Scare is Town. Not with posts like this.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I think my frustration in Scare has passed enough to the point where he can't make me any more angry, so responding in jest makes me enjoy the game more.

While I'm rereading...

ScareChan posted...

and for what its worth

mason play didnt cost town that game, it was just not pulling the trigger on lynching chris when we had the option too. Cold feet lost town that game

Just to be clear Scare, YOU cost Town that game. YOUR cold feet. I hopped on Chris with you guys! And YOU backed off.

Right which should tell town that I'm town and this is not a gambit

You lying and getting Town lynched is like... something you do. A lot. It should tell US (not Town, us) that you are well known for lying and making misplays.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Pirate_Harris posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I think my frustration in Scare has passed enough to the point where he can't make me any more angry, so responding in jest makes me enjoy the game more.

While I'm rereading...

ScareChan posted...

and for what its worth

mason play didnt cost town that game, it was just not pulling the trigger on lynching chris when we had the option too. Cold feet lost town that game

Just to be clear Scare, YOU cost Town that game. YOUR cold feet. I hopped on Chris with you guys! And YOU backed off.

Han I can buy the anger, but I can't buy this sudden overconfidence... this doesn't feel like a town vs town lynch more than a scum vs scum lynch

What overconfidence?

I am being less confident than I was last night.

Having time to process the day and having said everything I have already, I'm a lot calmer. And I'll admit, that dig on Scare there was to push him into doing literally anything.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Hbthebattle posted...

Yeah, I've been wondering why a guy would claim and then immediately disappear, especially someone who was implied in the sign-up topic to be an experienced player (though I'm just guessing with that one). It's definitely pretty suspicious.

Hb, have you gone back and examined this thought process? If an experienced player claims right out of the gate and then disappears... why is that Scummy? It's weird, for sure, but what makes it Scummy?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Or was that Ben, do I remember incorrectly?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I think my frustration in Scare has passed enough to the point where he can't make me any more angry, so responding in jest makes me enjoy the game more.

While I'm rereading...

ScareChan posted...

and for what its worth

mason play didnt cost town that game, it was just not pulling the trigger on lynching chris when we had the option too. Cold feet lost town that game

Just to be clear Scare, YOU cost Town that game. YOUR cold feet. I hopped on Chris with you guys! And YOU backed off.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

Geno do you realize han lied as well

And I am telling you han killed chris

I never lied. When I said I was vanilla, I meant I was white ;)
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Thing is, even though I can see Scare making this dumb play as Town... he hasn't surrounded it with Townlike posts.

When I was writing up my "What Chris Would Say" post earlier, I remember one of his key lessons was "ask yourself - does it make any sense for Scum to do the thing?" Town players are weird, act weird, play weird, and are surrounded by weirdness. Scum are, by default, more calculated. Scum don't usually make big errors unless they're brainfarts or just new Scum.

So why does Scare do this as Scum, I have been asking myself?

It does make pretty much as little sense for him to do this as me making a Bodyguard claim that went nowhere if I was Scum. The only reason for him to push so hard is if he knows he's going down. So unless there is a SK who poisons and you find out you're poisoned the night it happens (or something equally creative and unlikely), I don't know why Scare would suicide into me. Unless he just wants to trade himself off (Scum bomb? That's a bastard role but idk)

So I've come around to some explanations for why Scare might do this as Town. I came up with some. Honestly, the "Scare is bluffing because he thinks he caught me as Scum, but hasn't realized his catch is a false positive" is attractive. It's really fucking shitty and is paramount to trolling, in my opinion, if he were to have done this in multiple games, but it's an explanation that makes sense.

But I can't get over how Scummy he's being. Scare is doing NOTHING. He hasn't tried all day. The only thing he did was go after Death then cower away as soon as Death said he had info. Then he plopped his fake scan on me and has just sat there, diddling himself while saying "no u".

The ONLY thing Scare has really responded to is when I said it makes sense for him to be suiciding to get out of the game early. I think he actually was insulted. Which means his motivation isn't to die... which means I think he's Scum, because this is a stupid needless risk to make as Town.

Anyway, I'm home, it's still light, I have tea - I'm going to go back and reread some of day 1, come up with my reads, compare them with the current game state, then go from there.

My biggest worry right now is I have too many question marks surrounding people who are siding with me, and that worries me that this is Town Town. But if enough people are in the middle/siding against me that I think are Scum, then I'll be pretty convinced Scare is Scum.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I literally qouted your post take it as you will

I restated what I said and why what Scare is saying is flat-out wrong.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I know, you told me already :)
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ScareChan posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well it might not mean alot other then han has been consistent about not likening scare and it wasnt just a om calling you scum beacuse you're calling me scum

Han started the day asking for my scan so I can prove myself town

Which I still say is him knowing I wasnt blocked

I literally didnt do that, Scare. I asked if you had one.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Scare, let us know if you got a track off. And convince me you're not Scum.

Sultan - I did not ask him for his scan. I asked him if he had one.

He claimed to have a track day 1. I asked him if he had information to give.

Though I will admit, if Scare misread that and actually thinks im Scum based on that, he's a complete moron but that would lend credence to a possible Town Scare.

That would mean somebody else got roleblocked. If Scare is telling the truth about his jack claim, then he's not that high a priority roleblock.

Since scum had to know I was power, they could have roleblocked me. And I can't confirm that because I did not take an action last night. But HB was the other person who was hinting power besides Chris, so...
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Hbthebattle posted...

Han, I havent voted you yet because I still think you can convince us of your innocence. But you havent fully answered why you would choose to not act yesterday.

I've answered it about five different ways, that I all agree with.

The ultimate true reason was I didnt was that I didn't want to. I have a bunch of logical explanations for why I wouldn't have anyway, even if I thought about in depth. But I didn't.

N1, the only player in B8 history I would guard is Chris and probably Dels. I honestly thought Chris was Scum, so I didn't consider it.

And once again, if I were Scum, it makes literally zero sense for me to make this claim. I will flip Town, and every town member voting me will pretend like it wasn't their fault, when Scum NEVER would answer a scan on them this way.

Bodyguard is also impossible to fake. If I were Scum, I'd be caught eventually. No way any thinking human ever claims bodyguard in this scenario.

To consider me as Scum, you have to have a logical reason I would behave in this fashion. If you don't, you are not thinking and blindly following a claimed scan that doesn't make sense.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well it might not mean alot other then han has been consistent about not likening scare and it wasnt just a om calling you scum beacuse you're calling me scum

Han started the day asking for my scan so I can prove myself town

Which I still say is him knowing I wasnt blocked

I literally didnt do that, Scare. I asked if you had one.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Ok, yeah. Lolo has killed all good will he has.

I'll be home in 20 minutes.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Lolo_Guru posted...

Why are you throwing out possible theories for town Scare, Han?

All angles are worth pursuing.

And Lolo, why have you played this game SOLELY by asking questions and offering few, if any, actual thoughts?

All you do is ask ask ask. There's no actual hunting process, there's not much in the way of reads... what have you done this game? Please, remind me.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Han its basically impossible for both of you not to be scum

If you are town, Scare is scum.
If you are scum, Scare is town (probably).

I can think of some possibilities.

Framer. Character who disguises themselves as another player. Possessor.

Another possibility is that this is a bluff and Scare is just gambling on me being Scum. Which doesnt really make sense that hed pick me, but picking Death first was a gamble in the same way.

This is the most likely scenario in which Scare is Town - he backed off Death who claimed info, but is not backing off me because I didnt.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Just to be clear, none of those are standard roles at all. I'm not suggesting they're likely. But that's some thoughts.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Hbthebattle posted...

Han its basically impossible for both of you not to be scum

If you are town, Scare is scum.
If you are scum, Scare is town (probably).

I can think of some possibilities.

Framer. Character who disguises themselves as another player. Possessor.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

htaeD posted...

I ask again tho

does a BG stop an assassin or strongman?

Usually not. They go around, or through.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Also If I recall correctly wasnt it han trying to pressure me into trying to lynch Chris? Then when I told him no he got prissy and jumped to lynch other town person jedi?

You dont remember correctly
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Shonen_Bat posted...

That's not an answer, and you know that it's not an answer because this isn't the first time you've waved off a question about your role claim with "Why not".

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Point against ham why the fuck does a bg come.out the gate and claim vanilla?, why would you feel obligated to claim at all as a bg let alone the first post if the game..

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Why not

If you are town and bodyguard then using it to save Chris, if he ended up being town, was objectively the right move. So what reason is there, right now, to believe that both of those things are true?

You think Town being dead is better than Town being dead?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

htaeD posted...

A confirmable role that is only confirmed through death

Why should I have used it? If it succeeded, I'd have succeeded in killing Town me. Why do I want Town me dead?

which you apparently dont want to be!

I dont want to die, but I'd rather die at this point than cost Town a mislynch.

The circumstances are definitely different between "I dont want to act" and "Scare is faking a scan on me"
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

What did you expect me to say, "I scanned FD Town"?

I said you were good people because you tried to keep the Red lynch going, ignoring the trains that were up.

At the time, it seemed like you were pretty clearly Town.

However, in the event that Scare is Town, FD avoiding a Town/Town/Town lynch by putting his vote on Red is totally a Scum move.

Really, it's just that you're being so close-minded that I cant help but think you're Scum.

If Scare gets lynched first, then he'll flip Scum and then I will be "unlynchable" for the rest of the game.

Which doesnt matter.

Because I'm a confirmable role
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

benjamin3740 posted...

The banned if not Scum argument indeed feels like than overexaggeration.

It's frustration. I dont want to dwell on it anymore though, because it's out-of-game stakes.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

I seem to recall winning music mafia and my actions with panth helping to make fd lawyer leo

FD was Scum, he was going to lawyer a Scummate anyway, probably.

And you didnt win the game. You forced a mislynch of Town. The only person who won that game for Town in the end was Ben and some rando who told Tange to lynch FD.

And this is way different. That was in the moment and just happened. I literally claimed my role day day 1. I got a read on death with it first, yeah, but I'm not bullshitting and you know it. Focus on this game scum . Not past games not games to come focus on this one

Here's a question - why are you not backing down from your lie? You're either Scum who knows I'm flipping Town, or you're trash town who knows hes getting lynched for a shit-tier play after I flip Town. So let's not wait - what is your defense for when I flip Town?

Shonen_Bat posted...

So, why did you hold off using your ability on Chris, the obvious nk target if he's town?

Why should I have used it? If it succeeded, I'd have succeeded in killing Town me. Why do I want Town me dead?

ScareChan posted...

His case is I'm scum quitting the game and if not I should be banned

Like I said, insulting and desperate of him

No, my case is you are lying.

Duh.

I'm coming up with alternate explanations, and you trolling the game by faking a scan is absolutely something we KNOW you would do, because you've done it before.

Stop pretending to be insulted and own up to your shit.

benjamin3740 posted...

Really there's a lot more making me hesitant to think either Scare or Han are Scum than there are things I dislike from them

I'll be honest, I want to lynch someone else because FD soft claimed Mayor and I want to call him out on his bluff.

I'm serious - this FD is reminding me of Music Mafia.

Chris would absolutely look at the game, say "there's no reason for Han to do this as Scum", and then he'd say "there's no reason for Scare to do this as Scum" and then he would push a train onto Lolo.

FD saying Chris would choose to lynch me is a flat out lie.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Did Stelner and Moonroof just become best friends?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Lolo, people have pointed out plenty of things against you, time and time again.

Here's a question - did you take advantage of my last minute train on Chris to hop off of Scare, your Scumbuddy, to avoid him being close to Jedi in vote total?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Lolo at this point is probably definitely Scum because he has been so reluctant to respond to peoples arguments on him. Ignoring suspicion is pretty Scummy.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ScareChan posted...

And even more insulting since you said it yourself, it's a hydra game, I could literally just not bother with it and let chris carry the load there for a bit if I needed

And mind you that game starts on the 10th. I never live til the 10th in this game and if I do I absolutely prioritize endgame first

In offended that you would even try this attack on me han

I'm offended that you would fake a scan on me.

Tell me Scare - in Music Mafia, why did you make horrible fake Tracker claims that bit Town in the ass?

And Death, I don't want to interrupt you, but you claimed you had info and you would probably reveal it today. Do you still wish to reveal anything, or do you plan on holding onto it?
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

htaeD posted...

Scare's case cant really be compared to his scumgame, because I remember him pulling back his bluff there in the end..

Also if Scare is honestly throwing the game to be able to play in Hydra. Then thats gonna cost him a lot more than just an in game death, IMO

It's a little forgivable if he's Scum, because at least he gets something out of it.

But really, that's the only explanation I've come up with that explains why he makes this bad of a play - whether he's Scum or Town.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

And yes, I accept that sample size because you dont have other examples to state something different.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

FD, you being Scum is the only way I can explain

A. You playing this bad (hurry durr follow duh scan)
B. You lying about how Chris would read this situation
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Scare
Ben

probably two more with that.

Leaning on Pendragon and Lolo, but I would bet one of those is wrong.

Other probably Terra or Sultan.

Geno could easily fill in any of those slots, but only because of his claim.

That's my current view of the game, since someone (Doop?) asked me that earlier.

I still plan to do a topic 1-2 reread and purely go off gut, since that's a >60% hit rate.

I did FD to this list.

I find Ben is looking better, as my catch on him requires Scum to know I am bodyguard.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

HanOfTheNekos posted...

For those wondering - FD is incredibly lazy as Scum. His strategy as Scum is pretty much always to bus one Scummate, say "see? Told you they were Scum" then coast to endgame while providing very infrequent walls of text with little real information.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

For those wondering - FD is incredibly lazy as Scum. His strategy as Scum is pretty much always to bus one Scummate, say "see? Told you they were Scum" then coast to endgame while providing very infrequent walls of text with little real information.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I hate to use outside-of-game meta, but here's the thing:

Scare is starting another game, a hydra game on MU, where he is playing with Chris.

Scare doesn't want to do double duty.

Ergo, Scare wants to die.

Now that I'm thinking this, it seems incredibly obvious.

Now, I'm less inclined to believe his Scumteam allowed him to go through with this, but Scum can make plays on their own, so it's not counted out.

I can see Scare doing this as Town, but if he IS Jack, then I get mislynched the day after, which is definitely a bannable offense.

So I'm still inclined to think he's Scum who is making a suicide play because he wants out of the game, but wont get replaced since the host asked for no more replacements.

I would say a Town Scare is more likely to ask to be replaced, and let his slot lie idle while eaed looks, whereas Scum Scare doesn't force his team to deal with an idle slot.

Tl;dr Scare is making this hail Mary play because he wants out of the game.
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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic