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Dark Samus floats/flies in her idle & run animations, which took more resources than anything Chrom has. As far as we know the only difference between him and Roy is the Aether, but they just rip that from Ike.

Granted this is splitting hairs because both of these characters took about as much resources to include as a random Pokemon from a Pokeball.
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Echo fighters don't have 'spots'. Normal fighters don't have 'spots' either. Another character isn't added if you remove another one - that's a gross simplification of how game development works.

Even if that were true, Chrom probably took the least resources to put in out of anything in the entire game. Smash 4 model (touched up) + Roy's Base + Ike's Aether + minor animation adjustments = done.
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

I mean it's taking a spot that someone from a series

Wrong
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SantaRPidgey posted...

Im glad k rool is in, don't get me wrong

But they could have left it at dedede making fun of diddy and donkey and that would have been 100% ok with me

On that note, is it just me or was the entire direct hilarious? The comedic timing of all the little jokes they do is perfect
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You never 'need' anyone

Chrom is popular and putting him in takes 0 resources

Three Houses avatar is probably going to be DLC too
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Chrom better hope that Roy is a much better character than he was in Smash 4. Glad Chrom is in though. He got his chance.
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ALSO, nominate Stepford Smiler
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Underleveled posted...

This trope is confusing to me.

Someone who is supremely competent but mentally/emotionally fucked up. Extra bonus points if they hide how fucked up they are.
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Will wait for more suggestions but Light Yagami is a good one
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Chrom is still a popular character and has been heavily featured in Fire Emblem Heroes. He recently got his own Amiibo. They already have an HD model of him from Smash 4, and Robin's Final Smash which uses him is suspiciously absent from the website videos despite basically every other character's Final Smash being shown. I would bet serious money on this.
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Yeah. The Palutena's Guidance in Smash 4 even makes fun of him for being too similar to Ike.
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Chrom is 99% guaranteed as an Echo Character, which is the entire point of the designation
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I forgot that Tharja won a match that year when Chrom and Lucina didn't

Totally agree on Borderlands 2's humor being super outdated. I feel the need to recommend Tales From the Borderlands, which somehow has fantastic writing despite being based off of Borderlands and made by a company with an iffy track record.
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I don't remembering advising people to nominate Draven. Definitely didn't start the rally (I had him losing to Jak in my bracket oops).
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Also Fata Morgana's $25 price point is a bit of a barrier as well. It deserves that price point, being a 30 hour game, but there are certain genres that people just expect to pay less for and this is one of them.
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MHA
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Paranoia Agent
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I wish! Unfortunately, this costs money while Umineko (at the time) was free.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/07/11/approved-by-donald-
trump-asbestos-sold-by-russian-company-is-branded-with-the-presidents-face/

All you need is the title. Remove the space if you want to visit it
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Stealing this from the Politics board

Goldice posted...

Getting mesothelioma to own the libs.

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Feel like talking about the relationship between Michel and Giselle.

Out of any single element in the story, the relationship between Michel and Giselle is the most important thing that the writers had to get right. While Morgana's revenge is the cause of everything that happens, Michel and Giselle's pure devotion to one another is what acts as the catalyst for resolving everything. Without their desire to be together again, Giselle doesn't remain in the mansion as The Maid and Michel doesn't do the borderline impossible and find his way back. That kind of devotion implies a relationship that is firmly in the "eternal pure love" category that comes off as unrealistic and cliche in most stories. Maria even states that she thinks Michel's trust in Giselle is going to be broken, to which Michel strongly refutes...and considering what we've seen up until that point, Michel is right.

It would be so, so easy to get this kind of relationship wrong. How do you write a pairing where you're able to buy that they spent literally almost 1000 years trying to get back to each other? Especially with how bad their initial first impressions of each other are. And second, and third. Michel pulls a freaking knife on Giselle at one point. Lots of couples in fiction have animosity towards each other when they first meet because it makes for fun scenes, but very rarely have I seen it displayed so brutally realistic as Fata Morgana did. Michel and Giselle's early interactions with each other come about as a result of the respective traumas each of them have experienced up until that point, and even before you know exactly what those traumas are, you get the sense that each one is deeply hurting on the inside.

In the end, though, it's because their characters feel so honest that I'm able to buy Michel/Giselle despite (or even because) of their animosity. When they finally achieve a major breakthrough with each other and find that they have a lot more in common than they realized, it allows them to trust each other on a sort of deeper level. Once your dirty laundry has been aired and the other person is still able to look you in the eye and see you as normal, it kind of skips a few steps in the relationship. And while the way they grow closer to each other starts from dramatic circumstances, afterwards it's far more grounded and built on them legitimately liking spending time with each other. Every interaction between Michel and Giselle where they're just...talking, is perfectly written and shows a couple that is obviously happy together (even before they're officially a couple) without being written as overly saccharine.

In summary, Fata Morgana sets up Michel/Giselle as a couple where you can easily see why they would want to be together, and then easily see why they would want to stay together, all while keeping them feeling like real people. That's extremely difficult and it's probably the most impressive element of writing the game has. When Fata Morgana shows me that Giselle spent almost a millenia as The Maid waiting for Michel while Michel pulled together his shattered souls over the same period of time while trying to get back to Giselle, I can buy it, because I can buy that those two just care that much about one another.

In a shorter summary: Michel/Giselle is OTP.
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AvaGames posted...

Can you give insight with newcomer characters that have a High chance of getting in?

I don't think there is one right now. Getting a successful rally to happen is much harder than these contests make it seem - it's actually pretty abnormal how many of them have happened to us over the years. There's especially not an amazing horse to back right now, as even Overwatch and Sans, the two ones I find the most likely to cause trouble, aren't nearly as likely to cause trouble as they would have been back at the height of their popularity. Right now the games with 'buzz' are PUBG and Fortnite, and I explained why I don't think they're going to matter on GameFAQs.
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Anti-purge
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Captain Falcon
All Might (My Hero Academia)
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Paranoia Agent
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I never knew that I needed Photoshop memes in my life until this day.
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DeathChicken posted...

So we can't nominate Jason from Friday the 13th but we can nominate Chad, right?

I would assume so
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Up.
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jl260 posted...

I also want to add that this door is the first time the VN starts using character sprites that face the player rather than each other, implying that you are no longer a bystander in the story now.

Yeah, this is a great touch. I think this was especially effective in the final door, where you get to see every principle character in the game speak directly to you for the first time. Yukimasa's a lot more intimidating that way!
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Yeah but like, that was back then. Nobody cares about the strict letter of that rule anymore. Geralt is a game character by this point.
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Sorozone posted...

Geralt can't happen. He comes from books.

Pretty good chance that Bacon won't care.
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Most Fortnite players probably don't even know it has a Story Mode

Underleveled posted...

Any Pokemon character?

Entirely depends on what gets into the bracket.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

I just don't.... feel bad about it. A rally has to feel bad. You know?

ZeldaTPLink posted...

OMG a rally that makes Link stronger. Now I've seen everything.

I don't agree with either of these. Despite it getting hijacked somewhat in the later stages, for the most part, the Undertale rally wasn't meant to feel bad. People who get rallied also almost never vote for the thing they've been rallied against, even if it's Link.
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ZenOfThunder posted...

this is a good thread thank you kp

*high five*

Xeybozn posted...

Waluigi?

(I don't really expect anything from him, but I've seen some people here talking about it a decent amount.)

Considered this and I'll probably do a writeup later, but at the moment I'm on the fence. He's a meme right now due to not getting in Smash but do people really care that much? Will they care by the time his match is here? I don't know.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Like if people come here to talk about FE we'll hang out with them. There's no drama or hate in that.

Rallies don't need to be about drama or hate to succeed...but dude, people would still absolutely freak out about a total unknown FE character from a game never released in the US beating Link. People would ask "why?!" and all they would get in response are a bunch of dumb meme images.
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TheArkOfTurus posted...

Monika from Doki Doki Literature Club? I don't buy it, but people have been bringing it up as a possibility.

Knew I was forgetting someone.

Monika (Doki Doki Literature Club)
Rally Potential: Low to Medium
Monika, on paper, is a strong candidate. She has the strong one-two punch of being a legitimately loved character and a meme at the same time. It's hard to beat that! Would be very easy for the fanbase to unite around. The problem is...well, the fanbase, or lack thereof. DDLC hasn't fallen off in the sense that people don't like it anymore, but it was very much a zeitgeist sort of game. Something that is extremely popular and constantly talked about for a short period of time, and then just...isn't. If this contest had taken place half a year ago, I would've listed Monika as 'High' and legitimately taken her in my bracket, but the hype just isn't there anymore. It would be difficult to mobilize the troops, especially since the subreddit isn't very big or active.
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Geralt of Rivia (Witcher)
Rally Chance: Low to Medium
The Witcher 3 is somehow still selling a shitton of copies and The Witcher is somehow getting a TV show, so the series is still relevant. More importantly, CD Projekt Red has openly stated that they like to rally for Witcher stuff. The only reason that Witcher 3 didn't get rallied in the last contest is because they missed the memo. If they don't miss the memo this time, we could be in trouble. Simple as that.

Sans (Undertale)
Rally Chance: Medium
Sometimes lightning strikes twice. Undertale's fanbase is not nearly as rabid as it used to be, but Sans as a character has surprisingly been able to stay among the public consciousness (to a degree). Mostly due to memes about him 'potentially' being in Smash, but yeah. The Undertale fanbase adores Sans, so I wouldn't be surprised if they throw their support behind him if he gets in. The main reason I don't put him rated as 'High' is because Undertale already won the Games Contest, and the feeling of "we've done this before" matters for rallies. L-Block and Missingno are proof of this - they grow weaker every year.

Tracer / DVA / Mercy (Overwatch)
Rally Chance: Medium
Probably the highest chance of a rally catching fire would be one of these three characters. Overwatch is still super popular and has a very active online presence (the subreddit is enormous). The game has a variety of characters, but not so much that the core favorites aren't clearly defined, those being Tracer, DVA, and Mercy. Those three are all extremely popular, with Tracer being the poster girl and DVA/Mercy being...different kinds of posters girls. The Overwatch fanbase loves them just a little too much, so don't be surprised if people come over in droves to vote for their waifu.

Feel free to suggest characters or properties and I'll give you my ten cents on whether or not they'll come over and happily ruin our contest!
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By far the most common question I've seen thrown around since the contest announcement has been: "who is getting rallied?" Not 'if' - 'who'. Kind of seems like an inevitability these days, doesn't it? It's not really, but I'm still expecting a lot of people to roll the dice on a random rally to try and push their bracket to the top. Problem is, honestly speaking, I don't think most of B8 actually keeps up with a lot of popular trends in games or even understands why rallies happen in the first place. So here's my 100% foolproof guide on choosing between the big rally candidates this year! Feel free to follow my advice. You know, if you want free money.

Fortnite / PUBG Character
Rally Chance: Very Low
This is one I see thrown around a lot. Fortnite and PUBG are the two hottest things on the market right now, so they're going to steamroll our little corner of the internet, right? Well...not exactly. For a rally in a character battle to happen, there needs to be an actual character to get behind. L-Block was the closest an entrant can get to not having a character and still being rallied, but he got by on being a really funny entrant and literally everyone having played Tetris as some point. Fortnite and PUBG don't have characters, they have generic character avatars and classes with none of the personality of, say, the Team Fortress 2 cast. Despite what Link may have led you to believe, characters aren't automatic contest stand-ins for games. PUBG/Fortnite avatars don't have personalities, or names, or even defined visual appearances. Steve from Minecraft had it better than that and he still got demolished. I don't even know if it's possible for PUBG/Fortnite to get a valid entrance into the contest, let alone one that would get enough popular support to be rallied.

Any League of Legends Character
Rally Chance: Very Low
League is no longer the 'it' thing in game. It's still extremely popular and actually has a higher playrate than Fortnite, but it's not exciting anymore. It would be difficult to energize the base enough to get them to try and mess with yet another GameFAQs Contest. Draven was also a lightning-in-a-bottle character in that he was both universally loved and a huge LoL meme at the time. No one else could have gotten the universal support he did. His time has past, and no other character has been able to fill those shows. LoL simply has too many characters for people to choose from; you'll never get everyone to agree on just one anymore. The final nail in the coffin is that the League subreddit doesn't allow rallying anymore, which...I could've said from the start and saved you all some time. Oops!

Reinhardt (Fire Emblem Heroes)
Rally Chance: Low to Medium
Fire Emblem Heroes is a surprisingly popular game with a large & active subreddit, and Reinhardt is their poster boy. He's a Draven-type character in that almost everyone likes him...and he's a huge meme. Reinhardt is basically a Fire Emblem Heroes original character, coming from a previous FE game that no one played, allowing him to be molded by the community. He's extremely powerful and useful, is used on a ton of teams, and gets loooots of fanarts/memes/ect. of him made. It may seem silly to mention those, but they matter. A lot. If Reinhardt got in, I have zero doubt that the FEH Subreddit would immediately throw their support behind him. The saving grace is that the FEH subreddit isn't *that* big, so even if Reinhardt gets rallied it probably won't be enough to shut out the contest, but considering that votals decrease each contest...it's something to be wary of.
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Paranoia Agent
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The One Ring - Lord of the Rings
The Holy Grail - Fate/Stay Night
Cursed Tape - The Ring
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Did someone say The Show (tm)?
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Gonna talk a bit about tone and atmosphere.

Door 4 has the strangest vibe out of everything in the game. Even before it's over and you learn that it was an illusions, and even if you were to miss out on the 'text log' red text, I think most people would be unnerved by the atmosphere it has. Supernatural happenings have been a light background element of the first three Doors, but they never actually interfered with the plot contained within those Doors. Mell, Yukimasa, and Jacopo may have been under the influence of Morgana's curse, but the tragedy of their lives could have easily happened without the curse - especially consider how their second lives are more or less echoes of their first.

Door 4 is all about supernatural stuff right from the get-go. The first text you see when starting this Door reads like it's either from a dark fairy tale or some sort of biblical verse. The White-Haired Girl is running because they want to burn her at the stake for being a witch, and of course this Michel actually does have a 'Midas touch' style curse that you get to see in action. In general the witch's curse is talked about a lot more and is a much bigger deal. And then there's the overall style of the music:





High-pitched instruments (mostly bells) are put in stark contrast to low-pitched instruments (that sound like pipe organs or the low keys on a piano). The vocals are either overpowering and ominous, or spoken in subdued whispers in the background. Olhos na Sala Esculo also has these moments in the background of the song where it sounds like the melody is about to break apart. Overall, the music sounds ethereal and otherworldly, even when compared to the rest of Fata Morgana's soundtrack. It doesn't feel...well, real. Which works perfectly with the underlying secret of The Fourth Door.

The main point I'm getting at is that The Fourth Door is maybe the most creeped out I've been by something that wasn't (on the surface) trying to be very scary. It just feels wrong. I think Michel himself explained it best when he said that it doesn't contain a hint of humanity. Despite being a story of tragedy, it's still too good to be true and comes off as dishonest. And when finishing The Fourth Door, the question is raised: if this story with no happy ending was supposed to be a lighthearted fabrication of what happened in reality, then just how badly did things actually turn out?

Just felt like commenting on The Fourth Door because it impresses me. It's not my favorite part of the game, but it's impressive that something that could have been a complete waste of time (considering none of it is real) manages to so uniquely effective.
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Every character of decent strength that could possibly get into these contests already have. At this point the fun is in getting your favorites onto the front page (and watching them get slaughtered by a random midcarder).
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ZenOfThunder posted...

afternoon bump

https://imgur.com/ckYc3RZ

I love this more than I should
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Joker should be nominated under 'Joker', it's just way easier that way.

ZenOfThunder posted...

yo @KamikazePotato and @LeonhartFour I'll trade a nom with each of you guys for a Metal Sonic nom, you are the only ones I love and trust enough to trade with

Sounds good buddy, will let you know who to get when the noms go up and we see the exact format!
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Paranoia Agent
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2B
Velvet Crowe
Michel Bollinger
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Suprak the Stud posted...

How Come He Don't Want Me? (Fresh Prince of Bel-Air)

Oh this is a good one
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Remove: Ending B (Nier)

Add: "I could have got more" (Schindler's List)
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I was actually super close to pulling the trigger on Undertale > Everything in my bracket because I had this gut feeling it would be rallied. Not going with that is a pretty big mistake of mine!
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