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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/24/18 11:28:52 PM
#77
https://m.ca.ign.com/articles/2013/10/15/the-real-cost-of-gaming-inflation-time-and-purchasing-power

I dont think people really understand the bargain that a $60 game is in 2018-2019.

I kinda get s chuckle when people slam down $60 game as If that is a powerful statement.

People also seem to forget that we live in a golden age of deals. Sales are abundant, indie price models, free games do really well and dirt cheap subscriptions throw tons of really great games at you.

Yeah you gotta put up with a few loot boxes and hats. Boo boo. Could be a lot worse.
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/24/18 9:34:07 AM
#62
StarReaper13 posted...
SwayM posted...
Chicken_Butt posted...
I think "fuck that game" is a pretty good attitude to take when a game is released in a poor-quality state. This is a generation where gamers are expected to pay $60 for a single game. These companies are taking your money before the product is done, selling you an unfinished product. It SHOULD be an outrage. And gamers should speak with their wallets and let the companies who are doing this learn a lesson from it. A damaging, expensive lesson that will also speak to other developers and let them know that we, as a market, do not accept half-baked goods and low quality goods. We, as a community, should demand a high-quality, finished product for our dollar.


"Every game is a sequel or remake or rehash. Why don't developers take RISKS anymore?!?"

He literally never said that though.


If you look closely, I never implied anything of the sort.

It's the very sad reality of the world we live in, one in which people like him don't wanna face. Oh a game is a critical failure and never recovered? Guess we'll never see something like that again. Once the dust settles and we can actually step back and appreciate any merit it might have, it's far too late.

How many times have you heard "If ___ doesn't sell well it might be the end of the franchise?" I've heard it a lot recently.

https://www.pcgamer.com/soulcalibur-6-could-be-the-last-soulcalibur/

Here's an example before you can say you haven't.

It's not limited to "risky, one off IP's". A poor selling game is BAD news for everyone. You can sit there and be an edgelord on the internet and laugh and poke fun at every game that doesn't do well. It's a shame people can be so stubborn they refuse to see the merit in anything.
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/24/18 9:10:26 AM
#50
Chicken_Butt posted...
I think "fuck that game" is a pretty good attitude to take when a game is released in a poor-quality state. This is a generation where gamers are expected to pay $60 for a single game. These companies are taking your money before the product is done, selling you an unfinished product. It SHOULD be an outrage. And gamers should speak with their wallets and let the companies who are doing this learn a lesson from it. A damaging, expensive lesson that will also speak to other developers and let them know that we, as a market, do not accept half-baked goods and low quality goods. We, as a community, should demand a high-quality, finished product for our dollar.


"Every game is a sequel or remake or rehash. Why don't developers take RISKS anymore?!?"
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/24/18 9:09:09 AM
#48
CyricZ posted...
You never get a second chance to make a first impression.


Final Fantasy XIV
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/24/18 8:43:02 AM
#43
Serious Cat posted...
SwayM posted...
whats really hilarious about this comment is youre saying

take longer to make it better

But

Im not waiting for it to get better once it releases

Lol

These are not two contradictory statements. The conjunction you're looking for is "and."


CE creating their own reality again.

One where time is infinite and you can create a game forever without any restrictions.
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TopicNY times calls RDR2 "true art" on par with The Godfather or Sopranos..
SwayM
11/24/18 8:38:51 AM
#44
TheCurseX2 posted...
SwayM posted...
TheCurseX2 posted...
The most ambitious game ever made is Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall


Ambitious isnt the only descriptor that matters here.

Its a culmination of many things.


RDR2 isn't a good game. It's the same trap other shit like Last of Us falls into and that is you go on Youtube, watch a cutscene compilation and you've experienced the high point of the "game."

The gameplay itself is a chore.


Classic case of "it's not for you dude"

Some people don't like Pizza, but good luck trying to convince everyone else.
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TopicNaughty Dog aren't good enough for movies so they live out their fantasy through
SwayM
11/24/18 5:50:39 AM
#6
Gamers have a real issue admitting the medium is getting better at telling truly good stories, creating compelling worlds and interesting characters.

They just immediately want to dismiss it at trying to be a movie

Which isnt the insult they think it is.
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TopicNY times calls RDR2 "true art" on par with The Godfather or Sopranos..
SwayM
11/24/18 5:43:27 AM
#25
Kineth posted...
Ebert is probably rolling in his grave right now.


Ebert had a lot of silly, outdated opinions.
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/24/18 5:40:39 AM
#39
Youngster_Joey_ posted...

Has anyone else ever noticed it's usually the most childish users that always claim others are children for not sharing their opinions? Just wondering.


Youngster_Joey_ posted...

You're literally acting like a child whenever you cry that it's "childish" to want the thing that you paid for and to be upset when you don't receive it.

Besides being a petulant child because people rightly called out whatever fucking game you're getting assblasted about sucking?


You know on hindsight you might be on to something fam.

Theres vast amounts of evidence here to support your theory.

Good call. You swayed me.
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/24/18 5:34:35 AM
#38
Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/24/18 5:27:36 AM
#36
Youngster_Joey_ posted...

There is a point to this topic?


Pay attention. You could accidentally learn something.
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/24/18 5:22:50 AM
#33
Youngster_Joey_ posted...
SwayM posted...
If I bought a game at launch/full price it's likely because I was very interested in it. That interest isn't going to just vanish if it isn't the game I wanted/expected.


lol wut?

I have to ask, what fucking game are we talking about at this point?

SwayM posted...
Only an absolute child would sit there with their arms crossed and pout about it for years to come, and not want a better game at the end of the day.


Has anyone else ever noticed it's usually the most childish users that always claim others are children for not sharing their opinions? Just wondering.


Has anyone ever noticed that no u has never worked. Didnt work earlier in this topic. Sure as shite aint working now.

X-Pac_Heat posted...
SwayM posted...
The money part of this argument makes absolutely zero sense. It's literal common sense that if you have the patience to wait for a game it pays to do so. All games go on sale. Even the good ones.


It's also literal common sense that a game is supposed to be good on release and not years after you purchase it.

Imagine not being able to understand this, holy shit.


Imagine failing this hard at understanding the point of this topic. Yeeesh.
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TopicNY times calls RDR2 "true art" on par with The Godfather or Sopranos..
SwayM
11/24/18 3:11:59 AM
#23
TheCurseX2 posted...
The most ambitious game ever made is Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall


Ambitious isnt the only descriptor that matters here.

Its a culmination of many things.
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TopicNY times calls RDR2 "true art" on par with The Godfather or Sopranos..
SwayM
11/24/18 2:58:05 AM
#20
RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
I love RDR 2 but calling it on par with The Godfather is just crazy talk.


The Godfather isnt this untouchable piece of media.
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TopicNY times calls RDR2 "true art" on par with The Godfather or Sopranos..
SwayM
11/24/18 2:16:59 AM
#16
All_My_Life posted...
Your fanboyism over this game is just getting creepy now.


You just have me confused with someone else.
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TopicNY times calls RDR2 "true art" on par with The Godfather or Sopranos..
SwayM
11/24/18 1:06:16 AM
#1
Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/23/18 9:18:43 PM
#27
Thats whats up
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/23/18 8:54:01 AM
#26
SaithSayer posted...

I've been working on that backlog. There are even a few NES games I've yet to get to. If I had two lifetimes, I'd still be all set.


I feel like retirement is going to be good for us.

Rika_Furude posted...

which is a shitty, anti-consumer practice which you are defending... how about all companies that do this fuck off and go bankrupt, and how about you stop being anti-consumer and defending it...


Hahahahaha this is the textbook childish mentality we're trying to get to the bottom of. lol anti-consumer.

This reads like preteen angst.

"Oh no a game I was looking forward to didn't turn out as well as I hoped. I hope the whole company fucks off and goes bankrupt"

lol Jesus Christ.

Because it was their intention to work really hard on a game that was a critical failure. That's what companies aim to do. Purposefully put out a really shitty product.

Continuing to support your game and community through the worst is the complete opposite of "anti-consumerism"

Really showing your true colours here Rika.

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

You seem to be the only angry person in this topic


Has this ever worked? Even once?

ManBeast462 posted...

Lmao^


Couldn't agree more. This shit is hilarious.

Swagnificent119 posted...
Imagine buying a piece of shit for 60 dollars, than being happy when they fix it years later and it's been reduced to 20 dollars.


If I bought a game at launch/full price it's likely because I was very interested in it. That interest isn't going to just vanish if it isn't the game I wanted/expected. If there's a way to salvage it and they actually go to those lengths to try and create the product fans want. Only an absolute child would sit there with their arms crossed and pout about it for years to come, and not want a better game at the end of the day.

The money part of this argument makes absolutely zero sense. It's literal common sense that if you have the patience to wait for a game it pays to do so. All games go on sale. Even the good ones.
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/23/18 6:44:13 AM
#19
Lets talk about that tho
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/23/18 6:40:45 AM
#17
SaithSayer posted...
SwayM posted...
ManBeast462 posted...
Sorry but you shouldnt have released your game until you fixed the shit.

Releasing significant updates doesnt help your cause


Or they release it in its poor state and use the community as a resource, find where the problems lie and to fix whats wrong with it. Games cant develop forever.

In a perfect world every game would release in a perfect state but we live in far from a perfect world. Also kiddos, this imperfect world games are a business. A fucking expensive business.

But whats really hilarious about this comment is youre saying

take longer to make it better

But

Im not waiting for it to get better once it releases

Lol

You're supposed to buy a product rather than a work in progress.


Go to your grave mad about it then
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/23/18 6:35:27 AM
#15
ManBeast462 posted...
Sorry but you shouldnt have released your game until you fixed the shit.

Releasing significant updates doesnt help your cause


Or they release it in its poor state and use the community as a resource, find where the problems lie and to fix whats wrong with it. Games cant develop forever.

In a perfect world every game would release in a perfect state but we live in far from a perfect world. Also kiddos, this imperfect world games are a business. A fucking expensive business.

But whats really hilarious about this comment is youre saying

take longer to make it better

But

Im not waiting for it to get better once it releases

Lol
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/23/18 5:44:16 AM
#5
cjsdowg posted...
I love the Daredevil movie's Director's Cut. However what most people got was the what they saw in the movies.

Because something good came out later does not get the taste of the first version out. People will remember and for good reason might not give it another shot . So I can't go around saying Daredevil was good movie, because what most people got wasn't the good version.


I dont think the comparison is quite the same with movies because there kind of a one time experience with movies.

With games your opinion of it is constantly evolving. From when youre brand new and learning the mechanics, to when you beat thing, it takes time to really form your opinion. Most times.

yeah I can see where youre coming from with your example, its a decent comparison but not quite the same thing. You go see a movie in theatre and didnt like it, odds are youre not going to buy it when it comes out on video to see the directors cut, or special features, etc.

Also if you bought a game, and it wasnt what you were hoping for on day one, wouldnt you want that to get better over time?

To gamers youd think they get more enjoyment watching a thing fail then actually playing a fun game.
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Topic*Game gets released to poor reception*
SwayM
11/23/18 4:51:25 AM
#1
Gamers: Yeah fuck that game!!

*game gets much better to do updates, patched and DLC*

Gamers: Remember when that game was shit?

Yeah FUCK that game!!

Silly.
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TopicI hate the UI in RDR2
SwayM
11/22/18 7:33:15 PM
#14
fusespliff posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
SwayM posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
SwayM posted...
Didnt GTA V and all the GTAs for that matter have a log where every bit of dialogue and even those messages would be transcribed?

Yup, in RDR2 too


There is one? Where

I think it's like left or right on the dpad iirc


Right opens satchel and left tasks/recently completed tasks


Yeah very different things.
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TopicI hate the UI in RDR2
SwayM
11/22/18 6:41:43 PM
#9
clearaflagrantj posted...
SwayM posted...
Didnt GTA V and all the GTAs for that matter have a log where every bit of dialogue and even those messages would be transcribed?

Yup, in RDR2 too


There is one? Where
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TopicI hate the UI in RDR2
SwayM
11/22/18 6:22:57 PM
#7
Didnt GTA V and all the GTAs for that matter have a log where every bit of dialogue and even those messages would be transcribed?
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TopicWatching Solo atm...
SwayM
11/22/18 6:02:03 PM
#30
GeneralKenobi85 posted...
I saw it a few weeks ago and thought it was quite good. I still think Han getting the last name Solo from an Imperial officer is kinda dumb, but it's a pretty minor gripe overall. Only other problem I had with the movie was L3.


That was really stupid.

I hate when movies feel like they have to explain everything.
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TopicWatching Solo atm...
SwayM
11/22/18 8:35:32 AM
#28
SSJGrimReaper posted...
the droid chick was annoying


She was pretty useless too

I dont think Landos character needed her.
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TopicWatching Solo atm...
SwayM
11/22/18 8:00:49 AM
#25
I want more than anything though is to see Lord and Millers version of this movie.

I really want to know wtf happened there. What they were working on and what, if anything was kept and what changed.

Those guys are geniuses IMHO. I bet their movie would have been amazing.
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TopicWhy is Summoner so lame in FFXIV...
SwayM
11/22/18 2:31:50 AM
#12
Oh its still very active. Definitely not too late.

New expansion coming
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TopicWhy is Summoner so lame in FFXIV...
SwayM
11/21/18 8:28:17 PM
#10
Yeah FFXI is pretty much unplayable these days. Just a shame no MMOs carry on some of its ideas.
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TopicWhy is Summoner so lame in FFXIV...
SwayM
11/21/18 8:16:11 PM
#8
pauIie posted...
the pets have to be that way. nobody would want to play with them if they made shit harder to see for tanks/melee dps.


Its just like having an extra party member.

Really not bad.
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TopicWhy is Summoner so lame in FFXIV...
SwayM
11/21/18 7:29:49 PM
#1
In FFXI you had to travel all over the world and fight these classic Final Fantasy Avatars. Then, and only then did you have the ability to Summon them. And they would be the exact versions of the Avatars you fought. Basically summon Gods to your whim. You had multiple abilities and various utility and you could use their ultimate abilities too. Hell even the quest to unlock the Summoner Job was pretty interesting and had you traversing all over the world experiencing all the different weather patterns.

https://imgur.com/E3Q817U

In FFXIV you get like a tiny ass little red imp that's vaguely in the shape of Ifrit. Or Garuda or Titan. Not including carbuncle you only get 3! And they're AWFUL.

https://imgur.com/2uKaFPX

https://imgur.com/uYXuizD

Took one of the coolest Jobs in the history of Final Fantasy and made it a joke.
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TopicGame idea: Transformers Battle Royal...
SwayM
11/21/18 5:18:32 PM
#17
TopicWatching Solo atm...
SwayM
11/21/18 9:47:13 AM
#23
PoopPotato posted...
It wasn't bad, but wasn't that good either. Would have worked better as a one season Netflix show.


Nah the budget certainly helped give it more character IMHO
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TopicWatching Solo atm...
SwayM
11/21/18 9:43:16 AM
#20
I'm talking current games. I really can't go back and play old games. Only one I'd even consider is replaying KOTOR but I've tried and failed to get back into it on a couple occasions.
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TopicWatching Solo atm...
SwayM
11/21/18 9:35:13 AM
#18
Not a bad movie at all

Makes me want to play a Star War but its too bad there are no good games these days.
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TopicWatching Solo atm...
SwayM
11/21/18 7:55:14 AM
#10
I dont understand why they had to blow the bridge in the train sequence.

Great action scene tho
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TopicWatching Solo atm...
SwayM
11/21/18 7:34:32 AM
#1
Its prety good so far
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Topicrate these shoes:
SwayM
11/21/18 5:45:52 AM
#6
If youre going for boring you hit the nail on the head.
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TopicGame idea: Transformers Battle Royal...
SwayM
11/21/18 3:37:59 AM
#16
Imagine driving around looking for upgrades, new weapons, chasis stuff like that.

Im picturing someone finding Optimus Primes semi trailer. Im not exactly sure what it would do but it could be a big ass weapon of sorts, or be a way to transport your friends. (There could be some kind of fuel system in place)

I just like the image of this big semi powering through the map and becoming this big target.
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TopicGame idea: Transformers Battle Royal...
SwayM
11/21/18 2:57:21 AM
#15
HagenEx posted...
But wait, would it play like stuff like... Armored Core, or more like Warframe?


I dont think either are at all what Im picturing.

There were some transformer games that were pretty decent werent there?
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TopicGame idea: Transformers Battle Royal...
SwayM
11/21/18 1:56:12 AM
#12
SimpleMan posted...
Fort Max or Omega Supreme would win, unless Unicron showed up.


Lol talking game balance on a game that doesnt exist yet
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TopicGame idea: Transformers Battle Royal...
SwayM
11/21/18 12:36:44 AM
#9
You could get pretty creative with the maps too
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TopicGame idea: Transformers Battle Royal...
SwayM
11/21/18 12:07:03 AM
#7
Damn straight CE
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TopicGame idea: Transformers Battle Royal...
SwayM
11/20/18 11:12:35 PM
#5
TopicGame idea: Transformers Battle Royal...
SwayM
11/20/18 10:50:57 PM
#2
TopicGame idea: Transformers Battle Royal...
SwayM
11/20/18 10:23:58 PM
#1
Huge maps

Mech combat, vehicle combat

All sorts of unlockable transformers.

Autobots vs Decepticons?? Or not could be unbalanced. Maybe just one game mode.

Beast Wars DLC??

I actually think really like this idea. Lets make it CE.
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TopicMillenials are killing Hershey Chocolate
SwayM
11/20/18 7:35:16 PM
#40
If you have a lisp, you shouldn't narrate videos.

Just sayin.
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TopicNew Sneakers 0.0
SwayM
11/20/18 7:32:59 PM
#29
Honestly one of the ugliest shoes I've ever seen.

People putting literal trashbags on their feet just because of the name of the shoe.
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