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Amazing that the Pikachu fanbois couldn't get a rally when it really mattered.

Also, screw you Allen for ignoring a bunch of countries on the vote map. I voted from St Lucia today and have no way of knowing where this country stands!
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SuperNiceDog posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win

so you're rooting for Pika?

Hell no, just pointing out how predictably boring these contests are with lame rallies every other match
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Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win
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Why are so many people thinking Mega Man wins here? Pikachu has the pervert hentai fans in his corner, pervy hentai characters have been unbeatable this week
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Well, despite the confusing SJWFF affecting these result, I take solace that Tifa needed a hentai rally to win a nailbiter against MMX. I don't understand this Zelda boost though, BotW was the worst main Zelda game besides 2 AND skyward Sword
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Think people might be putting a bit too much stock in Mega Man's (and subsequently Pikachu's) performance. I'd say bacondorf is at least a 4-5% penalty here, which still puts MM at a respectable 55-45 on Ganondorf, but doesn't look likely to beat Cloud (although the Pokemon hentai forums will guarantee a Pikachu win there)
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Would be kind of hard for his strength to go up, since almost every other character left is also in Smash
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Holy shit Zelda, the SJWFF is real. I figured Snake would be weaker, but not this bad
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imthestuntman posted...

TheCodeisBosco posted...

This... isn't actually a rally-free result, is it? Like, I actually have Pikachu here in my second-chance bracket, but he seemed effectively cooked earlier.

Some small rallies on reddit for both early in the day. Seems like it probably helped mega man slightly more than pikachu based on feedback on that sight but hard to say. Pokemon is probably more active so might end up having a higher number drawn here even if people didnt upvote or post.

How can you possibly think this when the trends show a massive Pikachu spike in the direct middle of a static trend area? Are people here really this stupid to think that Pikachu and Tifa weren't rallied to the tits
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tennisboy213 posted...

3 hours!

Pikachu by the hour:
time | percent | gain/loss | lead/deficit
20:00 | 49.16% | -58 | -58
21:00 | 48.83% | -59 | -117
22:00 | 48.58% | -57 | -174
23:00 | 48.93% | -36 | -210
00:00 | 49.74% | -8 | -218
01:00 | 52.60% | +77 | -141
02:00 | 50.47% | +15 | -126
03:00 | 56.42% | +120 | -6
04:00 | 52.16% | +35 | +29
05:00 | 50.07% | +1 | +30
06:00 | 51.98% | +28 | +58
07:00 | 52.99% | +45 | +103
08:00 | 47.44% | -47 | +56
09:00 | 47.53% | -47 | +9
10:00 | 48.66% | -29 | -20
11:00 | 48.28% | -37 | -57
12:00 | 48.06% | -42 | -99
13:00 | 47.76% | -40 | -139
14:00 | 49.75% | -4 | -143
15:00 | 52.57% | +40 | -103
16:00 | 54.36% | +76 | -27

Pikachu just had his 2nd best hour of the match.

Pikachu needs to cut 0.75 votes per update to tie.
Based on the last 5 hours, Mega Man wins by 9 votes.
Based on the last 2 hours, Pikachu wins by 147 votes.
Based on the last hour, Pikachu wins by 201 votes.
Based on the last 30 minutes, Pikachu wins by 63 votes.

A swing like that during Mega Man's strongest window, this has to be another bullshit rally. Where's ExTha?
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Jesus christ, I forgot the contest started up last night and just checked and saw MM/Pikachu 50/50. Is this the result of another bullshit rally?
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LeonhartFour posted...

And some more fun with numbers!

If Zelda = Sephiroth:
Ryu gets 52.43% on Aerith
Ammy gets 52.52% on Squall
Fox gets 50.98% on Captain Falcon
Lara gets 52.88% on Jill
Waluigi gets 53.84% on Wesker
Captain Toad gets 54.10% on Richter
The Boss gets 52.63% on KOS-MOS
Shepard gets 50.38% on Garrus
Ramza gets 51.88% on Lloyd
Metal Sonic gets 56.10% on Metal Man

A disturbing amount of these actually make a lot of sense. The only things that really stand out as questionable are Captain Toad and Ramza
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Ok so is this being decided by rallies or is Tifa actually ~3% stronger than Luigi?

This lead seems a bit to high for a rally, compared to the X match, but maybe the rally got stronger?

Nonsense, the winner of X/Tifa was always going to beat Luigi. I'm actually surprised it was this close.
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It's been over for a while. The only time when Luigi has a clear advantage is the board vote/power hour. He couldn't get a lead with that, there was no hope (aside from a random yaoi subreddit) for him
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Well, for what it's worth, after playing FFXV, I have no faith that Square will be able to pull off a good remake of 7
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I can't see the FF7 remake actually doing anything for the FF7 crew. The only people that are going to play it are people that were already voting for those characters
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XIII_rocks posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

So..... you people are okay with rallies, but only if they bring in a certain number of votes?

It doesn't matter if a character wins by 1 vote, or by 1000 votes, if that vote was a rally, the results of the contest have been altered, and people who entered a bracket and picked the correct choice based on strength, are now punished for it, because someone that picked the other character managed to successfully rally votes. Any rally that changed a contest result (particularly such an important result like Tifa/X) is equal in my mind.

OK but you understand that this is a very extreme way of looking at it, don't you? You're essentially invalidating the results of almost every contest match, particularly the close ones.

People have often made picks based on potential outside forces. GTA/Warcraft, Starcraft in 2004, even the Kerrigan > Vince upset. That's a factor that should always be considered when filling out brackets.

So what you're saying, is that even though X should have won comfortably, I had to know that there were weird hentai subreddits, and that people on Board 8 were familiar enough with those subreddits to successfully rally Tifa to a win?

And how is this different than Draven/Undertale?
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XIII_rocks posted...

@BlAcK_TuRtLe

Size of the rally matters
Small, individual rallies have always happened
But Draven/UT were huge and turned weak entrants into unstoppable forces. Tifa essentially gained like 1% extra strength to win.

It cannot be explained any more simply than that

If Draven/UT had never happened this would be a relatively normal thing. It's not the first time. Rallying in some form has happened in almost every close match, I would wager, long before 2013.

So..... you people are okay with rallies, but only if they bring in a certain number of votes?

It doesn't matter if a character wins by 1 vote, or by 1000 votes, if that vote was a rally, the results of the contest have been altered, and people who entered a bracket and picked the correct choice based on strength, are now punished for it, because someone that picked the other character managed to successfully rally votes. Any rally that changed a contest result (particularly such an important result like Tifa/X) is equal in my mind.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Perhaps it's time we consider an... FFVII boost (except not you Vincent)

This flows in with the overall boost we have seen for female characters. People are just confused by Sephiroth's luscious locks and girlish good looks
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ExThaNemesis posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Unfortunately, being around the various manchildren on Board 8 for 14 years, I have been exposed to some of the pro-wrasslin lingo

I call bullshit. You don't learn what a work or a shoot is without being involved enough to pick which side of the Montreal Screwjob you stand on.

Face it, you're one of us BT.

I watched that documentary, Bret Hart was in the right and Vince McMahon is a shithead

(I also watched wrestling when I was a kid but had no idea of any of the backstage shit)
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LeonhartFour posted...

thank you for proving my point

Excellent point Leon

Counterpoint:

lol leon
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Also BT for someone so obviously superior to it, you sure do know a lot of Wrestling lingo!!

Unfortunately, being around the various manchildren on Board 8 for 14 years, I have been exposed to some of the pro-wrasslin lingo
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KamikazePotato posted...

Also not to derail this high-class argument, but Tifa just erased all of Luigi's progress in like 3 updates. This is also the hour where she started to grain traction against MMX.

I'm legitimately fascinated at how closely the trends of these matches are lining up, down to individual hours and sometimes individual updates.

That will change soon. Tifa won't take off nearly as much overnight. Will be a more steady build to a bigger lead than she had over X. Luigi should stall with the day vote, but I expect Tifa to win pretty much every hour of this match.

Note: The trends don't account for rally bullshit, so if some strange Luigi hentai community exists out there, who the fuck knows
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LeonhartFour posted...

I'm pretty sure ExTha was being facetious there guys

It's hard to tell, since I don't think he knows what that word means.

Here, let's put it in to terms that his maturity level can understand.

ExTha, was that a 'work', or a 'shoot'?
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Inglebird posted...

It's 2018 and Luigi has done a LOT more since then. Tifa hasn't done shit all. She should not win this

Excuse the fuck out of me you misogynist piece of trash, but Tifa has been in classics like Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus and Dissidia since then.

classics

Dirge of Cerberus

lol extha
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Inglebird posted...

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Inglebird posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

What woman with DD breasts hurt you?

Read my first comment unless you're dyslexic.

Hate to break it you buddy, but



Sorry to inform you that the other characters you think are deserving of beating Tifa are also 'hacked bimbos'.

They are actually in thriving game series currently. They got relevancy to back themselves up. Tifa is dead in the water

Ehhhh, when was the last Metroid game? I'd be realy hesitant to call it 'thriving' when the last entry was absolute trash (Other M)
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ExThaNemesis posted...

So here's some simple logic for the people who think the rally for Tifa and the ones for Draven/Undertale were the same.

Draven/Undertale WON THE CONTEST with their rallies.

So if Tifa loses AT ANY POINT, you have to admit that you were wrong and there was a very big key difference.

That's a logical fallacy.

It's as simple as this:

- People who picked Undertale/Draven in their brackets rallied for those results, affecting the outcome of the contest
- People who picked Tifa in their bracket rallied for that result, affecting the outcome of the contest
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ExThaNemesis posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

I said it was obvious on literal day one and was trolled for a solid two months about it. I will never forget it.

No one trolled you about it, in 2005 we barely knew what trolling was.

Either way, it's been thirteen years. I got the match right too, but give it a fuckin' rest.

While we're on the subject of years old 'but I was right', remember when I won the Guru by taking Majora's Mask far, when everyone on the board had it losing to Pokemon Gold?

lol board 8
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KamikazePotato posted...

Geralt getting 45% against Auron puts Hayabusa at 42.35% on Auron, which puts him right below Sub-Zero. That's prooobably more accurate.

That sounds about right. I woulda put Subby/Hayabusa at around 52/48 in Subby's favour
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LeonhartFour posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Ngamer, I don't understand how you can possibly say that what Tifa did was AT ALL any different than what Draven/Undertale did.

well no kidding

people have been trying to explain it for days and you refuse to listen

Not a single person has provided a logical argument besides 'b-b-b-but, my ANIME TITTIES!!!!!!1111111'
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ExThaNemesis posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Tifa rallied what, 150 votes last round? Even if you hate rallies that's hardly worth getting pissed off about. That happens late in any close match.

It was probably well over 500, but who knows how many X got. It's really hard to tell.

The Mega Man rally post had 150 upvotes. Even if you (stupidly) assume a 100% conversion rate, that isn't nearly as much as the several hundred upvotes across the r/FF and hentai crossposts
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ExThaNemesis posted...

So judging by the trends from Tifa/X, Tifa should let Luigi get closer over the next few hours before taking off with the European vote and never looking back.

For all the "DURRR RALLIES" my thread on r/FF only has 156 views. It didn't take off at all today, probably because of the timing.

This should be a more even match than Tifa/X. The swings won't nearly be as big, because Luigi isn't a complete lame duck in Europe
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Tifa rallied what, 150 votes last round? Even if you hate rallies that's hardly worth getting pissed off about. That happens late in any close match.

Tifa rallied at least 500 votes. She started stalling and cutting during what should have been X's best time. If there were no rallies, X would have had a 400 vote lead going into that final hour. That's what all historical trends say would have happened.
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Ngamer, I don't understand how you can possibly say that what Tifa did was AT ALL any different than what Draven/Undertale did.

Both were important bracket outcomes (Tifa/X was always going to beat Luigi) affected by a few select Board 8ers, purely to get the bracket result they wanted.
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Ryu Hayabusa 44.10%
Sub-Zero 43.29%
Magus 42.53%
Rosalina 41.21%

Hmmm, this doesn't quite look right to me, is the thinking that Geralt bandwagoned a bit in the later rounds? I never would have taken Hayabusa over Subby and Magus pre-contest
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ExThaNemesis posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Wait, I've been busy the last couple days, why on earth are people arguing Samus/Mario 2k4?

I thought that was dead and settled years ago

Dude where have you been?

That will never die.

The year will be 2050 and people will still be arguing about Mario/Samus rSFF

I'm travelling for work for the next 2 weeks.

Can someone explain to me the argument in favour of Samus being stronger? I never understood why anyone could possibly think that
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Wait, I've been busy the last couple days, why on earth are people arguing Samus/Mario 2k4?

I thought that was dead and settled years ago
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Moonroof posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

Like I can't even tell you how upset I'd be

We're set up to have some all time great matches in the legends bracket, with some of our all time contest greats

and Tifa blows that all to hell coz of an offsite rally

No, it would be bad. Catastrophic. Even if I'd have some small joy about FFVII winning the contest again, it would very much be a case of NOT THIS WAY.

Arent you the one who started all these Reddit rallies with tifa? What a hypocrite!

Let's be clear here, ExTha did nothing last round, besides completely change his stance on rallies in this topic. Zen posted all the hentai threads, and some other dude did the bigger FF subreddits
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Wow, shocked that Luigi is keeping it this close so far.

Even more shocked at the absolute beatdown Seph is putting on Ryu. Maybe we were too hasty in signing his death warrant
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Zelda - 63.33%
Auron - 57.16%
Tifa - 54.34%
Sephiroth - 52.77%
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Yikes, Kirby looks like ass and 2B looks super strong. This has been a very weird contest
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