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TopicIs Lex Luthor black?
Mal_Fet
09/15/18 11:49:43 AM
#4
What about

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TopicDalai Lama: 'Europe belongs to Europeans and refugees should go back home'
Mal_Fet
09/15/18 11:48:13 AM
#22
Ivynn posted...
Vertania posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Says Tibetan refugee.

...who returned to Tibet to help rebuild it. What's your point?

No he didn't. Tibet is still occupied by China.

And he still went back to Tibet
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TopicDalai Lama: 'Europe belongs to Europeans and refugees should go back home'
Mal_Fet
09/15/18 11:47:42 AM
#20
boxington posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
boxington posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
can only be fixed by the people living in Syria.


how is this possible with what's going on over there?

It's more possible for people living in Syria to help Syria than the several foreign governments who just want to use them as a proxy in a war between the US and Russia.

what I mean is, can people in Syria just tell the US, Russia, etc. to fuck off?

until they remove the negative foreign influence, which outguns them, idk how much autonomy Syrian people have over the fate of their country

He didn't say to send everyone back today, he said they should eventually go back.
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TopicDalai Lama: 'Europe belongs to Europeans and refugees should go back home'
Mal_Fet
09/15/18 11:40:01 AM
#14
boxington posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
can only be fixed by the people living in Syria.


how is this possible with what's going on over there?

It's more possible for people living in Syria to help Syria than the several foreign governments who just want to use them as a proxy in a war between the US and Russia.
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TopicDalai Lama: 'Europe belongs to Europeans and refugees should go back home'
Mal_Fet
09/15/18 11:37:59 AM
#10
specialkid8 posted...
How does he feel about Skyrim?

Oh he would definitely be on the Stormcloaks' side

He would probably regard the Thalmor the same way he regards the Chinese.
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TopicDalai Lama: 'Europe belongs to Europeans and refugees should go back home'
Mal_Fet
09/15/18 11:30:04 AM
#6
Receive them, help them, educate them but ultimately they should develop their own country, the 1989 Nobel Peace Prize winner added. The Buddhist leaders comments came just days after the populist party Sweden Democrats made significant strides in Swedens general election.

What's wrong with this, exactly

You're not helping Syria by taking 1/100th of their population, Syria can only be fixed by the people living in Syria.
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TopicDo think are trump you not now bad for be in doing so?
Mal_Fet
09/15/18 2:53:14 AM
#2
Did you have a stroke
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/15/18 2:35:18 AM
#225
hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true?

But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically?

If everyone is right and I'm the only one that's wrong, then it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing.
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TopicEvergreen College got less than 300 new enrollments this semester
Mal_Fet
09/15/18 2:19:09 AM
#53
Breasts posted...
This is a post about on my blog I did about Evergreen almost a year ago if anyone wants to read:

https://centristsfightback.wordpress.com/2017/10/15/the-pros-and-cons-of-the-evergreen-state-college-from-an-alumni/

Thanks for sharing that.

One question though, how the hell can Evergreen remain accredited with that kind of grading system? And what kind of history administration would accept a grad whose only history lessons were in Marxist theory?
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/15/18 2:11:55 AM
#221
andromedadude3 posted...
The Bolsheviks crushed trade unions when they seized power. Does that make them right wing?

They don't count because reasons
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 10:09:11 PM
#216
Giant_Aspirin posted...
thats exactly my point, and that's why Socialism isn't authoritarian. by definition, it means "social ownership", and ownership implies a share of the proceeds.

Socialism may not be authoritarian in concept but it certainly is in practice.

under Socialism the people get a share of the profits, but under Authoritarianism, it all goes to the authority/State/government.

Remember, I'm talking about leftism in general, not socialism. But even if I was, there is no feasible way to distribute a government's profits without the government as an intermediary. You can't have everyone in a country of 40 million sit in a kumbaya circle and take their fair share of bread. In a socialist government, they have to stand in bread lines to get their rations for the week from the government.

And we already went over how Nazi Germany had a huge and robust welfare system, didn't we? So not all the profits were being taken by the state there.

hockeybub89 posted...
Why has the world at large erroneously pegged Nazis as right-wing since WW2? What are they hiding? Why don't they make the same mistake with Stalin and the Soviets? Why has this fake news conspiracy gained so much traction that almost everyone has accepted it for decades, including nearly all experts?

Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true?
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 9:49:35 PM
#211
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
I actually need to rephrase that because I made an error in the question by leaving out a word. It should read "Which side is less likely..." My bad.

Like I said, any mega authoritarian.

Anyone with a lifestyle that is considered degenerate by the state is persecuted, regardless of the exact politics of an authoritarian regime. You see that kind of thing from left-wing tyrants like Stalin to right-wing tyrants like Pinochet.

Giant_Aspirin posted...
a key distinction between Socialism and Nazism that i failed to recognize earlier (and that's totally my bad) is that the former is done in the interest of The People and the latter is done in the interest of The State.

Hitler primarily viewed the German economy as an instrument of power and believed the economy was not about creating wealth and technical progress so as to improve the quality of life for a nation's citizenry, but rather that economic success was paramount for providing the means and material foundations necessary for military conquest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-236

Socialism, on the other hand, aims to have industry, or aspects of it, controlled and managed by The State, but done so for the benefit of, or in the the interest of, "The People".

of course there are many governments/States that claim to be "Socialist", or to enact "Socialist" policies, but due to corruption the profits or gains of that industry are not distributed to the proper recipients. and when totalitarian/authoritarian regimes aim to take control over industries it's certainly easier to sell it to the people by claiming it's for them, rather than admitting the actual motivations.

When it comes to authoritarians, there's no actual difference between "the state" and "the people" because the state will always assume that its interests are what's best for the people. Hitler genuinely believed that what he did was for the good of the people, like Stalin did.

I mean, can you name an authoritarian left-wing government that wasn't like that
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 6:01:43 PM
#208
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't.


but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not?

Typically sure.


What about people with transient lifestyles and people with disabilities? Which side is likely to advocate for folks of those persuasions?

Anyone who's not a mega authoritarian
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 5:40:31 PM
#206
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't.


but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not?

Typically sure.
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 5:11:14 PM
#204
Giant_Aspirin posted...
and you'll argue that all of their socially conservative policies don't qualify as "right-wing", right?

I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't.

Like, Marx REALLY hated jews and said that they were hucksters and that money was their god. Is he right wing then? Because anti-semintism would unquestionably be something he and Hitler would agree on.

Giant_Aspirin posted...
but i hope we can both agree that trying to equate the Nazis to either political party in the US is equally stupid/ignorant. saying "well the Nazis did this thing and its similar to what <insert party here> is doing ergo that party is like the Nazis!!11!!11!" is just foolish, yeah?

Yeah, obviously.
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 5:03:50 PM
#201
Giant_Aspirin posted...
when i claimed they had policies of both left and right your reply of "ok then show me the right ones" is you suggesting that they didn't have any.

Nooo, I was just asking for examples. If the only examples you could name were things like "well they privatized this one industry and didn't really interfere with it much" then that would go toward my point that they were more left-wing than right-wing.
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 4:57:44 PM
#198
Giant_Aspirin posted...
earlier in this argument you asserted that nothing they did was "to the right":

Can you quote what I said then, because I'm sure I never said that Nazi Germany had no right wing policies.

Giant_Aspirin posted...
now you are accepting that some of what they did was right-wing.

thank you, that's all i wanted.

Sure, but the examples of right-wing policies they had were sparse and negligible.
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 4:47:50 PM
#195
Giant_Aspirin posted...
now you're moving the goalposts. your original claim was that the third reich had nothing in common with the right and everything in common with the left, which is what i took issue with.


No government has only left-wing or only right-wing policies. All I've said is the policies of Nazi Germany, overall, are much more in line with the left than they are with the right. If that confusion is the only issue you had, then I guess we're all good then, right?

sktgamer_13dude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
>criticizes people for sourcing wikipedia
>sources wikipedia

The parts I quoted have citations.

They why don't you quote the citations.

Michael Burleigh, The Third Reich: A New History, New York: Hill and Wang, 2000, p. 219 ISBN 0-8090-9326-X

Martina Steber and Bernhard Gotto, Visions of Community in Nazi Germany: Social Engineering and Private Lives, Oxford: UK, Oxford University Press, 2014, p. 92, p 2

Michael Burleigh, The Third Reich: A New History, New York: NY, Hill and Wang, 2000, p. 221.
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 4:43:46 PM
#192
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Well you said that the Nazis were against social welfare a leftist concept, which is wrong.


social welfare "as a leftist concept" applies to everyone, not those who meet a specific criteria of race/nationality. that's why im saying it's antithesis to leftist principles.

Mal_Fet posted...
Every leftist authoritarian country has had undesirables who they persecuted and/or killed in addition to preventing them from getting government benefits. If what you say is true, that doing such a thing precludes them from being leftist, then you're basically saying that none of them were leftist at all. Surely you can see why that's a way crazier statement than me saying the third reich had more in common with the left than the right, don't you?

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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 4:41:55 PM
#189
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
>criticizes people for sourcing wikipedia
>sources wikipedia

The parts I quoted have citations.
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 4:41:25 PM
#188
Giant_Aspirin posted...
i am not asserting that bigotry = right-wing. dont straw man.

im demonstrating that they did things that don't align with leftist principles. you asked me to give you an example of something they did that the left doesn't agree with and i did exactly that.

Well you said that the Nazis were against social welfare a leftist concept, which is wrong. Now you're saying that they blocked undesirables from getting that welfare, so therefore the concept is no longer leftist.

Every leftist authoritarian country has had undesirables who they persecuted and/or killed in addition to preventing them from getting government benefits. If what you say is true, that doing such a thing precludes them from being leftist, then you're basically saying that none of them were leftist at all. Surely you can see why that's a way crazier statement than me saying the third reich had more in common with the left than the right, don't you?
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 4:30:41 PM
#184
Giant_Aspirin posted...
The Nazis were hostile to the idea of social welfare in principle, upholding instead the social Darwinist concept that the weak and feeble should perish.[230] They condemned the welfare system of the Weimar Republic as well as private charity, accusing them of supporting people regarded as racially inferior and weak, who should have been weeded out in the process of natural selection.[231] Nevertheless, faced with the mass unemployment and poverty of the Great Depression, the Nazis found it necessary to set up charitable institutions to help racially-pure Germans in order to maintain popular support, while arguing that this represented "racial self-help" and not indiscriminate charity or universal social welfare

so they hated welfare and charities because they benefited everyone, including those that they deemed undesirable (minorities, etc), so they got rid of them. but then they noticed a lot of Aryans were suffering so they created social programs to help the folks they wanted to help -- selective welfare basically.

they took a concept and bastardized it to suit their own needs -- exactly what ive been saying all along.

So we're back to bigotry = right wing then. Do you see how this is getting us nowhere?
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 4:23:07 PM
#181
Giant_Aspirin posted...
oh heres another one

The Nazis were hostile to the idea of social welfare in principle,

there you go. the leftists embrace social welfare and the nazis were against it. ergo the nazis are not leftists.

I'm not sure your source is all that reliable

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People%27s_Welfare

Erich Hilgenfeldt, who worked as office head at the NSV, organized a charity drive to celebrate Hitler's Birthday on April 20, 1931. Following this move Joseph Goebbels named him the leader of the NSV. The NSV became established as the single Nazi Party welfare organ in May 1933.[1] On 21 September in the same year Hilgenfeldt was appointed as Reich Commissioner for the Winterhilfswerk (Winter Support Programme). Under Hilgenfeldt the programme was massively expanded, so that the rgime deemed it worthy to be called the "greatest social institution in the world." One method of expansion was to absorb, or in NSDAP parlance coordinate, already existing but non-Nazi charity organizations. In 1933 Hitler decreed the banning of all private charity organizations in Germany, ordering NSV chairman Erich Hilgenfeldt to see to the disbanding of all private welfare institutions, which provided the National Socialists the means to engage in the social engineering of society through the selection of who could receive government benefits.[2] Hitler had essentially nationalized local municipalities, German federal states and private delivery structures that had provided welfare services to the public. NSV was the second largest Nazi group organization by 1939, second only to the German Labor Front.[3]

Not only did that Nazis like social welfare programs, they also made it the second biggest group organization in the regime, the first being the national trade union. Neither of those are particularly right-wing, are they?

I mean, at best all you could argue is that they were against private social welfare (a.k.a. charities), but that's generally the only sort of welfare the right supports. The right is against government social security programs, which is what the Nazis had instituted. Still certain they weren't like leftists here?
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 4:04:36 PM
#176
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
So then explain the de-facto seizure of the means of production by controlling all private businesses through government fiat and regulations. Are heavy regulations something the right does, or is that something the left does?


they also did a shit-ton of things that the left doesn't support

Can you be specific


they were anti-homosexual/LBGT and against women participating in government, things that are both associated with social conservatism.

Are we really gonna say that bigotry is inherent to right-wing politics or something
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Mal_Fet
09/14/18 3:58:23 PM
#171
Doom_Art posted...
Mal

Mal

Please post that chart again lol

See, here's an example of shitposts I ignore ;)
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Topic"Killshot" Eminem finally drops his MGK Diss
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 3:57:45 PM
#31
lww99 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
"Are you eating cereal or oatmeal? What the fuck's in the bowl, milk?"

Oh yeah, Shady's back.


Honestly this went over my head. Unless it was just "I'm gonna piss in your cheerios"

I think the message there is that Em is trying too hard to sound like he's 20 again.
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Mal_Fet
09/14/18 3:56:07 PM
#168
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
So then explain the de-facto seizure of the means of production by controlling all private businesses through government fiat and regulations. Are heavy regulations something the right does, or is that something the left does?


they also did a shit-ton of things that the left doesn't support

Can you be specific
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Topic"Killshot" Eminem finally drops his MGK Diss
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 3:55:22 PM
#27
"Are you eating cereal or oatmeal? What the fuck's in the bowl, milk?"

Oh yeah, Shady's back.
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 3:53:06 PM
#166
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Actually they weren't

From the source I posted earlier:


http://www.peoplesworld.org/article/today-in-labor-history-nazis-destroy-unions/

On May 2, 1933, Adolf Hitlers storm troopers occupied all trade union headquarters across Germany, and union leaders were arrested and put in prison or concentration camps. Many were beaten and tortured. All of the unions funds in other words, the workers money were confiscated. Former union officials were put on blacklists, preventing them from finding work
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Private trade unions. He was a big fan of public trade unions. Look up the German Labor Force


https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/trade-unions-and-nazi-germany/

fearing the power of the workers/people and squashing unions is a play he took from the right-wing.

recognizing that people want to be organized to combat oppressive working conditions is a play he took from the left-wing.

he and the Nazis were neither exclusively left nor were they exclusively right.

Ok, so let's go with how he was neither left or right in terms of unions.

So then explain the de-facto seizure of the means of production by controlling all private businesses through government fiat and regulations. Are heavy regulations something the right does, or is that something the left does? State control of the means of production is pretty squarely leftist, isn't it?

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
And you've accused me of trolling many times instead of ignoring the posts in which you think I'm trolling. Were those accusations disingenuous or do you actually not ignore posts you think are trolling? Also, why do you think Hawaiian punch is trolling anyway?

I mean, you've literally admitted to shitposting when I called you out on it.

And all hawaii posted in this topic is asking why I hate minorities. Is that a serious post, according to you?
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Mal_Fet
09/14/18 2:34:37 PM
#157
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Actually they weren't

From the source I posted earlier:


http://www.peoplesworld.org/article/today-in-labor-history-nazis-destroy-unions/

On May 2, 1933, Adolf Hitlers storm troopers occupied all trade union headquarters across Germany, and union leaders were arrested and put in prison or concentration camps. Many were beaten and tortured. All of the unions funds in other words, the workers money were confiscated. Former union officials were put on blacklists, preventing them from finding work
.

Private trade unions. He was a big fan of public trade unions. Look up the German Labor Force
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Mal_Fet
09/14/18 2:31:09 PM
#154
Giant_Aspirin posted...
they were very strongly against organized labor. are you going to now argue that's not a right-wing thing?

Actually they weren't

From the source I posted earlier:

"Fascism recognises the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State. (p.15) "

- Mussolini

Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Will you stop assuming that leftism = socialism as if not being a socialist/communist disqualifies you from being on the left


the thing you replied to this with was a demonstration that Hilter selectively chose right-wing and left-wing policies based on whatever suited him the best.

Except the "right-wing policies" he enacted aren't very right-wing at all

having private businesses, and having those businesses be in competition with each other, can hardly be considered right-wing when the state has de facto control over all of it and when the businesses are instructed to cater to the needs of the state rather than to customers.

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Mal_Fet
09/14/18 2:25:45 PM
#150
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Ok, then what are some policies they had that are to the right


When asked[when?] whether he supported the "bourgeois right-wing", Hitler claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class and he indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps" by stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism".

they were very anti-Marxist, which is a characteristic of right-wing politics.

National Socialist politics was based on competition and struggle as its organizing principle

so they adopted the parts of capitalism that suited them.

they were basically just opportunists who did a pick-and-chose from both left and right based on what suited their needs the best.

Not liking Marxism doesn't mean you're not on the left.

And as I've gone over before, having private businesses, and having those businesses be in competition with each other, can hardly be considered right-wing when the state has de facto control over all of it and when the businesses are instructed to cater to the needs of the state rather than to customers.

Giant_Aspirin posted...
Hitler expressed opposition to capitalism, regarding it as having Jewish origins and accusing capitalism of holding nations ransom to the interests of a parasitic cosmopolitan rentier class.[45] He also expressed opposition to communism and egalitarian forms of socialism, arguing that inequality and hierarchy are beneficial to the nation

please note that i am not asking you to accept that Nazi's were right-wing. i'm simply asking that you stop claiming they were exclusively left-wing in some pathetic attempt to discredit leftists ideologies.

Will you stop assuming that leftism = socialism as if not being a socialist/communist disqualifies you from being on the left
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TopicSteel profits on the rise following Trump's tariffs. Wages, however...
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 2:22:46 PM
#2
U.S. Steel is offering a new six-year contract, with a 4 percent raise the first year, 3 percent the next two, and 1 percent for the remaining three. It would also introduce some profit-sharing, with further bonuses tied to the company's future margins. And it's throwing in a one-time $5,000 payment to help workers with their health-care costs. As for ArcelorMittal, the company is suggesting a three-year contract, with a pay increase of 2 percent the first year, and 1.5 percent thereafter.

So the workers are getting higher wages, but the unions want to squeeze out more and will force their members to stop doing their jobs and make any money at all so the union bosses can get a bigger cut.

Lol unions.
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TopicCongressman goes full Mal_Fet
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 2:11:59 PM
#148
Giant_Aspirin posted...
the truth is that Nazis were neither "left" nor "right" by any modern definition of the terms. they demonstrated some policies that would be considered "left" and others that would be considered "right". trying to pin their politics onto a particular side in order to discredit that side is flat out partisan ignorance.

Ok, then what are some policies they had that are to the right

Because so far the only examples people give are "they were nationalists and racists", neither of which is definitive of or exclusive to the right
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Mal_Fet
09/14/18 2:08:15 PM
#145
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Hawaiian_punch posted...
@Mal_Fet come on man, I have been trying to have a honest, open conversation with you but you keep ignoring me


That's what he does.

Are you joking, I only respond to serious posts. I only ignore troll posts like his.
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TopicWhat's the worst Final Fantasy?
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 2:06:09 PM
#31
rikasa posted...
No idea why people aren't voting 15.

8 and 13 are way worse than 15
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Mal_Fet
09/14/18 1:03:50 PM
#141
scar the 1 posted...
Even though one of these core characteristics of fascism is that they use whatever policy they want and really don't care about coherence in that regard.

Which is the case in every authoritarian left-wing government.
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TopicWhat's the worst Final Fantasy?
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 12:40:08 PM
#14
Spirits Within
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Topic#notallklingons
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 12:16:18 PM
#2
#notallurukhai
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TopicPolice officers should be punished MORE harshly for crimes, not less
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 12:00:39 PM
#33
Kineth posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Kineth posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Kineth posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I'm not talking about policeman using their authority to be malevolent.


Well, that's what I'm talking about and what this topic is talking about.

I agree that police are put in situations with tons of potential liability issues.

I don't think that's what this topic is talking about, because it's saying police should be punished more harshly for crimes than people who aren't policemen.

Obviously people who aren't police can't abuse the police's power, because, ya know, they aren't the police


What crime might a police officer commit that isn't malicious?

Shooting someone because they thought they were reaching for a gun, for example.


If they were doing their job, they wouldn't be found to have committed a crime, would they?

Correct, because the nature of their job is taken into consideration by the courts. While a citizen in that scenario woiuldn't get off as easily.
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TopicPolice officers should be punished MORE harshly for crimes, not less
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 11:52:31 AM
#30
Kineth posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Kineth posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I'm not talking about policeman using their authority to be malevolent.


Well, that's what I'm talking about and what this topic is talking about.

I agree that police are put in situations with tons of potential liability issues.

I don't think that's what this topic is talking about, because it's saying police should be punished more harshly for crimes than people who aren't policemen.

Obviously people who aren't police can't abuse the police's power, because, ya know, they aren't the police


What crime might a police officer commit that isn't malicious?

Shooting someone because they thought they were reaching for a gun, for example.
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TopicPolice officers should be punished MORE harshly for crimes, not less
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 11:46:55 AM
#28
Kineth posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I'm not talking about policeman using their authority to be malevolent.


Well, that's what I'm talking about and what this topic is talking about.

I agree that police are put in situations with tons of potential liability issues.

I don't think that's what this topic is talking about, because it's saying police should be punished more harshly for crimes than people who aren't policemen.

Obviously people who aren't police can't abuse the police's power, because, ya know, they aren't the police
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TopicNew Yorker report on the Kavanaugh allegations
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 11:40:57 AM
#49
Giant_Aspirin posted...
so if someone committed the most heinous act imaginable to you, you'd make it your life goal to constantly keep tabs on that person and follow their every movie?

You don;t need to keep tabs on someone if their name keeps appearing in the news.

My only point is that it's really suspicious that only now this person decides to come forward. That's it.
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TopicPolice officers should be punished MORE harshly for crimes, not less
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 11:39:17 AM
#24
Kineth posted...
That doesn't counter anything I said. That's implicitly included by acknowledging the nature of their profession.

I think you're talking past me. I'm saying consideration should be taken when the government that is prosecuting them had already put them in a position where there's a way higher likelihood of things going wrong.

I'm not talking about policeman using their authority to be malevolent.
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TopicNew Yorker report on the Kavanaugh allegations
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 11:35:21 AM
#37
CyricZ posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Kavanaugh was a high-ranking judge for decades, and way more important than a mayor.

Name the high-ranking judges in your district without looking them up.

I could if one of them raped me.

scar the 1 posted...
This feels like such a weird thing to get stuck on. News cycles during Bush weren't nearly the same as now, and the public attention a SC nominee gets compared to a WH official isn't really on the same map.

Imagine someone going "Eh, so what if my rapist is now making judicial decisions for the president. At least he's not on the Supreme Court or anything."
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TopicNew Yorker report on the Kavanaugh allegations
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 11:32:04 AM
#29
CyricZ posted...
Why? If it's not as publicized as you say, then why would she be hyper-cognizant of it?

"Not as publicized" isn't the same thing as "not publicized". And if you were holing onto a traumatic secret for years involving a person, and that person's name kept showing up occasionally for 8 years in news stories about Bush's administration, one would expect the rape victim to notice, right? Unless she'd been living under a rock that decade?
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TopicPolice officers should be punished MORE harshly for crimes, not less
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 11:28:57 AM
#22
Kineth posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Shouldn't the nature of their job be considered as well?


Yes, they should be held to a higher standard than the general public because of their position. Hence why the punishment for abusing the position should merit a harsher punishment.

Mal_Fet posted...
Citizens are supposed to run away from danger while they are expected to run into it. If you see a crazy guy with a gun and you can get away, then that's what you do. Police however must deal with that person, so obviously there will be more chances of shit going wrong.

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TopicNew Yorker report on the Kavanaugh allegations
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 11:27:42 AM
#21
Doom_Art posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
was Kavanaugh's name as widely publicized back then as it is with his SC nomination?


I have an aunt who was harassed by a (former) local politician back when he was a lawyer (she clerked at a law firm after finishing school)

She only went forward when he was running for mayor.

I asked her why she never went forward prior and she said that she was embarrassed/ashamed for years and seeing him in a larger public profile and everyone going gaga for him was just a bit too much

Same sort of thing here I imagine

Kavanaugh was a high-ranking judge for decades, and way more important than a mayor.
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TopicNew Yorker report on the Kavanaugh allegations
Mal_Fet
09/14/18 11:26:26 AM
#19
Fam_Fam posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Antifar posted...
In recent months, the woman had told friends that Kavanaughs nomination had revived the pain of the memory, and that she was grappling with whether to go public with her story. She contacted her congresswoman, Anna Eshoo, a Democrat, sending her a letter describing her allegation.

Weird how Kavanaugh getting into Bush's administration didn't open those wounds up, huh?


was Kavanaugh's name as widely publicized back then as it is with his SC nomination?

Not as publicized, but one would think that a person who recognizes their rapist would be hyper-cognizant if they got a high-ranking seat in the White House.

Imagine someone going "Eh, so what if my rapist is now making judicial decisions for the president. At least he's not on the Supreme Court or anything."


how would the person know about that appointment? I certainly didn't. its not like she stalked him

If Kavanaugh raped you, I guarantee you would notice his name appearing in the news.
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