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CableZL posted...

I can't fucking stand local news. You could be laughing your ass off, having a great time watching your favorite TV show at like 6PM. Then they cut to commercial and the local news interjects, "7 people stabbed in a neighborhood near you and the suspect is on the loose. More at 11."

God damn it. Now you're worried that you might get stabbed when you step outside the house. For 5 hours until you find out at 11:15pm that they already caught the guy.

That's quite literally true, in my case. There were at least 5 shootings on my block last year. Hell, within 3 days of bringing my newborn home from the hospital, her mom flopped off of the couch - baby in hand - and ducked to the floor after hearing gunshots outside the window. Ended up having my block shut down twice that week :/

I watch the local news once in a while, but even that is fucking depressing. Can't turn it on without hearing about a kids dying or babies being thrown in trash cans (yes, that actually fucking happened here).

Ultima Dragon posted...

"Pizzagate" turns legitimate concerns about pedophilia and sex abuse in government/Hollywood institutions into a joke.

It's just like bringing up "they're turning the friggin' frogs gay" whenever legitimate concerns emerge about foreign and/or harmful substances in the water we use to drink, cook and bathe with. It just turns the whole thing into a joke honestly.

Anyone should be able to look at everything from an objective point of view and say "Okay, I have to admit there's something a little weird about this." Or at the very least start asking questions.

Instead the kneejerk reaction is an immediate "lol these fucking idiots think Hillary has orgies with kids in a pizza shop!"

My point exactly.

shockthemonkey posted...

So youll say nothing but try to lend credibility to Pizzagate as a whole. Dont be surprised when people label you a Pizzagater or conspiracy theorist, though.

The problem I have is that the term "Pizzagate" is forever tied to the idea of "Hillary banging kids in a pizza place's non-existent basement."

When people show up in a topic to point out that they have me tagged as a Pizzagater, they're doing it for the sole purpose of making people think I buy into the whole "Hillary Pizza Sex" thing. They're doing it to make me look ridiculous and discredit whatever input I have on a completely unrelated topic.

I don't care if people want to label me as a conspiracy theorist (even though I've explicitly said multiple times that I don't 100% believe these ideas), but to repeatedly label me as a "pizzagater" is entirely disingenuous and they're doing it for a very specific reason.

Also, I'm quite drunk right now, so take this all with a grain or five of salt.

Just to be clear, Blue_Dream, I wasn't the one who tagged you ITT. I would be interested in knowing where you got that screenshot from, though, so I can find more examples to defend myself with.

Also, for Tmaster and the others, I gave a more detailed response to Shock in this topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76834264

Okay, @shockthemonkey, I'll be a little more specific.

The one thing I'm confident in saying is that the whole Comet Ping Pong thing was used as an easy scapegoat. Regardless of what was really going on, it gave those involved an easy out, being able to paint it all as "lunatics thinking Hillary is banging kids in a pizza place." Some dude walking in to CPP and firing a few bullets (without injuring anybody, then peacefully surrendering) gave them an example to point at and say "look, these investigations are dangerous." The public perception of Pizzagate became permanently linked to this "Hillary Pizza Sex" idea, so any mention of related questions would just be laughed off at face value and the vast majority of people would be turned away from ever looking into it.

Beyond that, I'm not willing to stand behind any particular theory. Things like the alleged Seth Rich and Scalia assassinations are interesting to consider, but it's not like I think they'll be proven true. I don't get why some people around here are so god damn hostile towards people who just question shit like this.

Favorite: Mario Mart 64

Don't really have a least favorite. Played a lot of the SNES one, Double Dash, and MK8, but not the others. Double Dash definitely seemed to have the cheapest, most cheating AI in the races, though.

Fair, next.

The fucked up interrogation system really ruined it. Liked the investigation aspect of it and the story enough to finish it.

Voted straight Democrat in 2008, then started voting 3rd party after that. I'd still vote Democrat if the only two options were Democrat or Republican, though.

With everything that's happened since 2016, I really don't know what to do now. I might just leave the vote blank or do a write-in (if applicable) if there's no 3rd party option.

REMercsChamp posted...

Yeah civics are one of the most popular luxury cars out there.

wut

shockthemonkey posted...

You know you can clear the air up right now by actually telling us what you believe.

Okay, I will:
Vertania posted...

I believe that some parts are more plausible than others, but that none of the theories are 100% true until proven.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Doom_art didn't misrepresent what you said.

And @Blue_Dream87 isn't even in this topic.

Only guy you should hostile towards is Tmaster

And even then you're agreeing with each other so I don't get why you're arguing.

Blue_Dream just did the same thing within the last month and ended that topic by saying he was going to continue doing it, despite not being able to tell me what I "believed" after being pressed multiple times.

Doom_Art spent about two years following me around in every topic I posted in or made just to post "this proves the DNC killed Seth Rich." Literally that exact sentence repeated probably 50+ different times, regardless of the context of my post. I could post in a topic about Pokemon and he'd make a point to show up and do it. He's backed off over the last few months though.

There are a few other posters that I can't remember who do it too.

shockthemonkey posted...

Cmon just give us some insight, what parts do you think are true?

I'll give the same response as I did in the other topic:
Vertania posted...

Honestly, there's just no fucking point going into detail anymore. I'm not going to put the effort into saying which parts I think are more likely, then digging up and explaining all the evidence to support those theories.

It just ends up being ignored, while jackasses like Tmaster, Doom_Art, Blue_Dream, etc., continue to misrepresent everything I tried to explain whenever they want to discredit me in a completely unrelated topic. And no matter how many times I press them to tell me how I'm a "pizzagater" or mark the posts, nothing changes.

shockthemonkey posted...

Oh boy, you arent very self aware then, are you? Making long posts detailing a hundred aspects on Pizzagate and refusing to tell people which parts you believe certainly isnt going to make you sound like you dont believe in batshit crazy conspiracies.

Honestly, there's just no fucking point going into detail anymore. I'm not going to put the effort into saying which parts I think are more likely, then digging up and explaining all the evidence to support those theories.

It just ends up being ignored, while jackasses like Tmaster, Doom_Art, Blue_Dream, etc., continue to misrepresent everything I tried to explain whenever they want to discredit me in a completely unrelated topic (like this one). And no matter how many times I press them to tell me how I'm a "pizzagater" or mark the posts, nothing changes.

shockthemonkey posted...

What parts do you believe in?

I believe that some parts are more plausible than others, but that none of the theories are 100% true until proven.

shockthemonkey posted...

You werent trying to legitimize it for no reason at all

You're right; the reason I was trying to "legitimize" it is because I've been dealing with bullshit like Tmaster pulled ITT for the last two years.

shockthemonkey posted...

Yeah but youre literally in another topic right now defending pizza gate conspiracies.

Giving an accurate description of what theories it involves =/= defending it.

Tmaster148 posted...

That's the level of thinking I expect from someone I got tag as a pizzagater.

So says the guy I have tagged as "child molestor."

Not saying he is one, just that I have him tagged as one. I don't have to show proof if I'm just referring to how I have someone tagged.

@Tmaster148

Fix your tag.

Doom_Art posted...

No one said it did.

Not my point.

Doom_Art posted...

this is a dumb talking point and you know it

stop

Almost as dumb as bringing up the popular vote in the first place. Since, you know, that doesn't have a damn thing to do with determining the winner.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Younger generation voted for Clinton.

3+ million more votes than Trump

The Equivalent of the entire adult population of Scotland

California alone accounts for that 3+ million.

The open Trump supporters in their 20s-30s sound about the same.

I know quite a few people who voted for him that just don't post about politics on social media though. The vocal, annoying ones are in the minority.

runewalshPSiv posted...

EliteLevel posted...

None. Its sad when people die but to be affected by people you dont personally know, and who dont know or give a shit about you, is ridiculous.

Must suck to have never been inspired by somebody.

Hexenherz posted...

How was his worse? The guy's blood was probably like 90% cocaine and 10% other shit at any given time. It's a miracle he even lived half as long as he did.

He was my biggest influence at the time of his death (and probably still is), plus I actually got to meet him.

I wasn't a huge Dio fan until a few years after his death, but I did really like him at the time of his death and had just seen him with Black Sabbath a few months before.

btw Lemmy was much more into amphetamines/speed than into cocaine. That's literally where the name of the band came from. He also had to stop drinking Jack and switch to wine because his health got really bad in his last year or two.

dib153 posted...

Probably Dio or Lemmy Kilmister

Both of these, but Lemmy's was much worse.

MelzezDoor posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Why was this joke okay in 2009 and not in 2018? What has changed since then?

Back then, people weren't being fired every other day over social media posts.

Rexdragon125 posted...

Didn't the whole pizzagate thing turn out to be Russian disinformation? lol

Definitely wouldn't be surprised if they had a had in pushing a lot of the theories. Doesn't mean that the content of the DNC e-mails (which was the entire focus of the thing) was fake though.

HylianFox posted...

woah, chillax there

Butterfiles posted...

lmao I would expect no one else to have a long post on this

If people around here didn't constantly try to belittle me and discredit any input I have by misrepresent this thing, I wouldn't care.

It happens all the time, though, and I'm honestly tired of it. Figured I'd try one more time to set the record straight.

HylianFox posted...

That guy who went on a shooting spree did

Firing two bullets into a ceiling and injuring no one is not a "shooting spree."

Sayoria posted...

The child sex ring in the pizza shop run by Hillary.

Wrong -_-

It was a web of different "conspiracy theories" all related to the Podesta e-mail leaks. "Hillary's pizza sex" was a unfortunate (and small) piece of the community, which was misrepresented as the sole point so that the entire thing could be more easily dismissed.

Other theories encompassed by the Pizzagate community included the assassinations of both Seth Rich and Scalia, illegal/unethical dealings of the Clinton Foundation (such as being complicit in human trafficking), and the Hollywood and/or government communities enabling sexual abuse of minors, among other things.

If there was one thing about it that was most likely true, it was that the Podestas and other figures (like Alefantis) ran money laundering operations through art dealings. That said, Alefantis did make a lot of really weird, pedophilic comments and allusions on social media that were just indefensible. Doesn't necessarily mean there was a web of underage sex trafficking going on, though.

Also, I'm not saying I agree with every part of the theory, or even that I actually believe anything involved with it. It was only ever a bunch of interesting theories that I thought were worth looking into and considering as a possibility, rather than blindly dismissing as a whole. I thought I made that clear whenever I discussed it in the past, but despite that, this board insists on telling everyone I believe "Hillary was banging kids in a pizza place."

If you like Diablo-type games, Titan Quest is coming out next Tuesday. Looks to be ~40 hours.

stevethewindow posted...

"I hate straight people!!!"

"...okay." *continues walking*
stevethewindow posted...

"I hate LGBTs"

Huge group of counter-protesters gather and shout down the person, while filming the person so they can dox him later on social media.

They most likely did. From what I understand, they attacked both sides of the political spectrum by stirring up shit on social media, aiming to devide the country as much as possible. They apparently were very successful, as the country is more divided now than it has been in a long time.

What they probably didn't do was hack voting systems or hack/leak the DNC's e-mail system.

What isn't 100% clear yet is whether it was actually the Russian government, Russian citizens being ordered by their government, or independent Russian individuals/groups. I'm leaning towards the first one, though.

They also weren't the only country attempting to interfere with our election and the US interferes with foreign elections all the time, so singling them out as some lone boogeyman is kind of weird.

Had it on Genesis as a kid. It was... really weird.

I beat it a few times, but I remember it being kind of hard at some parts. Like, Pac-Man would just be a straight up dumbass sometimes and not understand what I wanted him to do.

I work with kids, so my response was that I sometimes get nervous when talking to parents about behavior issues, since they often come in angry and defensive. But then I turn it around and say that talking to them usually helps build bridges to work with them in the future.

The trick is giving examples of how you're already improving on your weakness; whatever it is.

CruelBuffalo posted...

Michael Ian Black still thriving (well relative to his thriving before)

Still kind of surprised his posts didn't get much attention. They were just as bad, if not worse, than Gunn's.

I saw Patton Oswalt get called out too, which sucks. Don't really see how his post could be defended, even as a joke.