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Is this the new cringe shit porn companies do now? Before it was to take something that happened in sports and tweet, "LOL STOP UPLOADING DIS TO PUBLIC HUMILIATION!!! LOL!"
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UnfairRepresent posted...

You just pointed out all the Enviromental Storytelling as a complaint...

I don't think you understand what I'm saying, so read this slowly:

The core story in FO3 is that the wasteland has very little to no fresh water. It's a crisis. Without fresh water, things will eventually die out and everything will end.

Yet, the game has no way of showing that to you to drive this point home. The most you get is a beggar that, again, exists as a convenience store to farm karma into. The severity of the issue itself is only focused on in the main quest and has no bearing on the actual game world because the game world itself never gets impacted by this in any way, shape or form. If you take your sweet time, it doesn't matter, because the world continues on without issue. Even FO1 knew how to combat this by making a time limit until when your Vault would die off due to not having anymore water to sustain themselves on.

You don't go into towns which shows what happens without fresh water, how important and vital it is that you pursue this goal that your father has placed on you. That is a failure of environmental storytelling which is just another one of the many pitfalls FO3's story has.

UnfairRepresent posted...

The Megaton guy is paying you. If you're evil you don't care about human life.

That still doesn't answer why you'd blow the bomb up in the first place. The only motivation comes down to choosing evil for the sake of it which is extremely lazy and myopic. The moral conundrum isn't even a moral conundrum, the character of Mr. Burke has no goals or reasons for doing it other than being an asshole. It's a failure in every way.

The Legion, by contrary, has a goal and a point in the world.
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The last true all time classics before they went and became shells of themselves in the years to follow.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

And then going "Man there's no enviromental storytelling!" get your complaints straight. Does it suck because they're telling a story or does it suck because they are not telling a story?

Environmental storytelling comes from the old saying of, "show, don't tell." This is an effective technique to nail home your narrative, and one that FO3 neglects. Outside of the generic beggar NPC and Daddio, what more is there to lead you that there's a water crisis? You wouldn't know it because there's almost nothing showing this and what they do have showing this is not enough to make you actually give a shit. It's poor narrative directing as it inspires no urgency in the player or gets them properly invested.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I'd argue joining the Leigon is 5000000 times more stupid and nonsensical than blowing up megaton for a payday.

Joining the Legion isn't even in the same realm of stupidity as blowing up Megaton because "you're evil."

While NV makes the Legion seem much more like the bad guys (I think there was supposed to be a DLC focusing on them to expand more on their angle but it got scrapped) they have a purpose to them and a society they function under. The biggest missed opportunity, at least in my view, is not showing a successfully run Legion settlement that's not on the battle lines so the player could see how they operate and make a decision from there.

What makes Caesar's Legion much more intriguing compared to FO3's awful representation of antagonists is that they actually seem like a society that could function. I'd even argue the ending for choosing the Legion is actually the best ending for keeping stability in the region.

UnfairRepresent posted...

No they're just going to use it to empower the Enclave and kill everyone who gets in their way. Since they lost their oil rig and are a shambles of their former selves, they need a strong water-supply and new base.

Now you're just inventing things. Turning on the purifier helps the entirety of the Capital Wasteland, they can't simply stop the cleansing it's going to do for everyone everywhere. There's no switch that says, "Enclave only" and it obeys. When it turns on, it's on for the whole place.

UnfairRepresent posted...

They literally poison the water supply to kill pretty much everyone who drinks it.

So they're poisoning what is supposed to be an extremely vital resource that they initially wanted to be the ones to push the button of to cleanse the radiation. Do you see how asinine this plot is yet? Them trying to sabotage it at the end is another example of shitty villain motives. If they succeed in doing so, then what? They'll die too. So they're fighting this war for nothing at the end. And don't get me started how you could've simply let the damn Enclave turn the thing on and avoided all the casualties to begin with. You would've lessened their numbers since somebody from the Enclave would need to sacrifice themselves anyways.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

Your character getting shot and left for dead inspires a revenge motive that everyone can relate to

If you say so.

I'd argue "We water so we don't all die." is a motive everyone can relate too.

"Some guy you don't know who also doesn't know you just shot you so why not go the vague direction he went to in order to "Get revenge."" just seems like a load of random words.

Hell it's a bad plot in civilized society, let lone a wasteland. You get shot at by 500 people before you ever meet Benny and then when you meet him you can just decide to not care and have sex with him instead.

If you want to claim that makes more sense than not wanting everyone to die in agony then sure, go ahead but I think you're just being a contrarian

But you're not going to die because the issue of needing fresh water is easily solved if everybody just goes and gets themselves a Mr. Handy robot that makes fresh water for you. Nobody outside of your dad even has that concern at all. You don't see people in Megaton dying or irradiated to shit because of this, there's barely any environmental storytelling going on in FO3. The most you get from the water crisis is the generic beggar outside every settlement who we both know damn well exists as a way to karma farm.

The moral conundrums in FO3 are laughable too. I can't fault Bethesda much for this though since many others do this same thing, but I always love when people think Mr. Burke's offer is some big moral question or how about what President Eden wants you to do? So Burke wants you to blow up Megaton because... ??? I don't know, he just does. Eden wants you to pretty much kill every sign of life in the Wasteland, yours included, because... ???

These are not moral conundrums, they are not things that make people think. This is, as some D&D players call it, "Chaotic Stupid." Nobody that's sane is going to go for any of these options because there's no real pay off to them, no reasoning behind them, it's all just evil for the sake of evil. Shitty writers do this a lot, they'll make evil out to be psychotic when evil works better as a perspective. Especially if you want to present moral conundrums to the player.

Then with Autumn, who's supposed to be this big antagonist, you take a step back and realize you're both doing the same thing. You have the same goal. You both want clean water, and this isn't something that only one of you can have because whoever makes it work will be the saviour of all Wasteland-kind regardless. So why are you even fighting?

If Autumn gets his way and turns on the purifier, what exactly is the negative that comes from this? Are they going to purify the water in an "evil" way?

You say NV's hook amounts to a lot of words but in FO3 the whole fucking game amounts to you being someone that gets to push a button that benefits everybody in the end regardless of them being good or evil.
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Fallout 3 is dogshit and let me tell you why:

-Moving the game world forward 200 years is intensely moronic because they still have people behaving like it's the 1950s and adopting those customs. So you're telling me that a nuclear calamity happened, some people that weren't devastated crawled out of the wreckage and made their own settlements and proceeded to do fuck all for the next two centuries? Think of how in real life history what happened 200 years ago. The idea that the world of Fallout 3 is stuck in a specific timeframe despite that timeframe having had ample time to be molded and expanded upon is ridiculous. That's why moving the series ahead so far into the future is colossally stupid.

-Typical Bethesda jank leaves the world feeling so lifeless. Apparently a lot of people can get on by eating 200 year old rations and after they're done shitting half their guts out not one of them has the bright idea to maybe try and cultivate crops? All the NPCs do is sit around, walk an established path, and talk to you. My favourite are how there are slaves in the game that do fucking nothing that looks like hard labour. Also, who makes settlements in places that are wildly stupid? Megaton is built around a fucking bomb, near no water or any sort of meaningful resource. Why?

-Which now leads to the core of the game's plot: the water crisis. First off, this whole hook is awful because the second you leave your vault the entire Wasteland is trying to kill you or full of total dickheads. Raiders here, Lucien Lachance in a fedora that wants to blow up a town just because is there, and power suited fuckers with laser rifles over yonder. In FO1, they kept the water purification to your vault's continued survival which is plausible since it's where you have history with the various dwellers. In FO3, you want to save the Wasteland because... I don't know, it seems like a swell thing. And what effects does the lack of water do? People seem to be getting along just fine without it. Most of the NPCs don't even give a shit or make mention. Hell, there are robots in the game that can make you fresh water. All you have to do is make more of them or repair broken ones and you're golden.

-Your Dad is an awful character. In what could have been something that felt like you had some personal investment in, all Daddy does is exist to remind you of the water purifier. He doesn't go into side conversations that actually build his character and give you a reason to care for him, he has no perceivable flaws when it comes to his personality that would serve to make him more humanizing. He's a generic altruist that falls prey to Bethesda's typical NPC shit of where their vocal tone -is- their character. Does he sound nice? He is nice. Does he sound shady? He's a backstabber.

-He's also a completely illogical asshole. He wants to save humanity with his big water purification device but he also doesn't. The Enclave show up with the intent to get his device and he decides to go scorpion-and-fox on our ass and proceed to fuck his own pragmatic plan up. Good going, dipshit.

I mean, you can simplify and shit on NV's story all you want but FO3's story is solving a problem that the game assumes you care about.

Your character getting shot and left for dead inspires a revenge motive that everyone can relate to and want to see through. It's a simple and effective hook that expands into the faction wars the Mojave is embroiled in. Turning on a fucking water machine because dad told you to is an elaborate "run to the store and pick up the paper."
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This is the most dogshit opinion I've ever read.

Fallout 1 > Fallout 2 > New Vegas >> Brotherhood of Steel >>>>> Fallout 3 = Fallout 4
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The worst is the "incel" angle liberals try to push on conservatives.

Conservative beliefs lend themselves to conquering, almost Roman Empire like. It's about keeping power and keeping things in order while liberal beliefs are fine with letting things happen and it's not their place to intervene. This breeds a deep weakness in their character which sees them become much more prone to outlandish ideas like polyamory and cuckoldry.
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Tom Hardy playing another character that he has no business playing.

First they miscast him as BANE, now EDDIE BROCK? Lmao
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Don't you put this evil on me, Ricky Bobby.
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Goddess Bunny?
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It means, "please pay attention to me."

It's trashy.
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The MCU is trash.
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Stop searching underage girls.

It's fucking creepy.
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Every 30+ guy I know blasts college girl pussy like he's the main character in Contra.
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No show is better than Eastbound & Down.
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It isn't.

Since the PS3 era, gaming has been in absolute shit.
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She was on the trajectory.
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TheCurseX2 posted...

The best user map settings games from back in the old days of Blizzard RTS games were Raccoon City Defense for Brood War and Sunken Defense.

No. You are wrong. It was RISK.

"RISK" was called "World War 2" in WC2/BW, but you're too casual to know that.
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Those cosplayers need more time in the oven.
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Everlong is better than any of that shit Muse puts out.
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If it isn't Sid Meier's Pirates, don't bother.
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"Y'all."
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You're the type of guy that closes the fridge with their hip.
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Graham is a badass.
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rikasa posted...

Oh man. He didn't like that question about too many beers

To get to your previous reply, I never said I don't believe a woman's accusation of rape. I don't believe Ford's accusation that Kavanaugh did this crime to her. Real talk, you sound like the sort of person that in a different century would accuse others of heresy and witchcraft.
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AlecSkorpio posted...

Honestly, I don't think he did it.

That being said, after all this I don't think he should be allowed in the supreme court because it feels like he's definitely going to hold a grudge against democrats. He's tainted if you will.

This will happen regardless. Being accused is as good as being guilty these days.
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rikasa posted...

I disagree when you say she can't remember what happened. She specifically detailed the event and claims 100% it's Brett Kavanaugh. It's very credible and is not in the least fuzzy on the details that matter, and it comes from someone who is intelligent with nothing to gain. So you're saying you will never believe an accusation that's 30 years old. Once again, I disagree with that, the truth exists regardless of whether it's listened to and believed. And as we see with catholic priests, bill cosby, sandusky, shit that happens a long time ago still matters because the scars last a long time and these predators are not punished.

I'm disagreeing because the evidence against Brett is not strong enough to make a sweeping judgment against his character. The truth exists, but in this case the truth seems caught in a haze or having its malleability being tested. There is nothing I've seen or heard from this that makes me think what Ford is saying is the truth.

And it becomes even more suspect because there's this huge American backlash towards everything Trump does. This comes off less of a pursuit of justice/truth and more of wanting to gain a victory over this perceived boogeyman at the cost of smearing and ruining another man's public image.

That, my friend, is fucking evil.
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rikasa posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

rikasa posted...

I'm not trolling. If you don't believe her you're just saying you'll never believe any woman. I'm not evil for correctly calling you out, misogynist.

Wait, but how does that mean I'll never believe any woman? Does being a woman give you the word of God, suddenly? I'm genuinely curious how you're coming to these conclusions.

It's hard to imagine how an accusation could be more credible. Tell me how her accusation could be more credible to the point where you could believe it. I doubt you could say anything that doesn't involve something besides her story itself but prove me wrong.

It would have helped if this crime came to light 36 years ago, for one. It would be helpful if she had a stronger case than what she's presenting which amounts to, "something happened to me this long ago, I can't remember this clearly but I'm sure it was this guy who happens to be on the cusp of landing a prestigious position of power."
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rikasa posted...

I'm not trolling. If you don't believe her you're just saying you'll never believe any woman. I'm not evil for correctly calling you out, misogynist.

Wait, but how does that mean I'll never believe any woman? Does being a woman give you the word of God, suddenly? I'm genuinely curious how you're coming to these conclusions.
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rikasa posted...

It's cognitive dissonance. If you're intelligent at all you believe Ford. But they can't make the final step to the logical conclusion, so they just believe both outcomes simultaneously though it makes no sense.

You called me a woman hater for asking a question of why blind belief is valid enough grounds for the truth and yet you talk of intelligence.

There's something extremely evil about people of your thought. I hope you're trolling.
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Sad_Face posted...

Again, it's a JOB INTERVIEW, not a trial. We have every right to scrutinize someone with heinous allegations for one of the most prestigious positions in the world. People have lost chances for a lot less.

In any case, realize getting hard evidence for sexual assaults that happened decades ago is a tall order. Cosby had 50+ women accusing him of sexual assault and it was only one woman who could do a formal accusation. Does that mean that other 50 sum of women are making false claims?

Which returns to my original question, why are you blindly believing an accusation from over 30 years ago that has only come to light when this guy has become eligible for a prestigious position?
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He's defending himself, lol
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rikasa posted...

He reminds me both of a little kid and a cheesy supervillain

Why did you avoid my post?
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Sad_Face posted...

@TheCurseX2 posted...

Why do you guys blindly believe these accusations towards Kavanaugh?

- Mark Judge has written TWO (2) books about his adventures as an alcoholic teen and is an acknowledged close friend of Kavanaugh

- Judge has refused to testify under oath regarding this situation

- Kavanaugh has been quoted with saying "What goes on at Georgetown Prep, stays in Georgetown Prep" in a speech in the early '10s.

- Kavanaugh is a member of a fraternity that has been recorded chanting "No means Yes! Yes means anal" in 2011.

- Kavanaugh has 3 other accusations against him

- Ford's accusation came the moment he was on the list of nominees, not after he was picked

- This is a JOB INTERVIEW, it's our best interest to reject a fantastic candidate over hiring a bad candidate.

Why are you pessimistic regarding the supporters?

But none of this is actual evidence against him. You're taking words out of context and using it to embellish a crusade against someone.

I'm pessimistic because none of this is concrete and it is terrifying when all you have to do to label someone guilty is accuse them of something heinous.
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rikasa posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

TheCurseX2 posted...

Why do you guys blindly believe these accusations towards Kavanaugh?

Why do you hate women?

How does one hate women if they require evidence that this event happened?
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TheCurseX2 posted...

Why do you guys blindly believe these accusations towards Kavanaugh?

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Why do you guys blindly believe these accusations towards Kavanaugh?
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She looks gross.
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The best user map settings games from back in the old days of Blizzard RTS games were Raccoon City Defense for Brood War and Sunken Defense.

The Thing was cool too.
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I cannot imagine being such a powerless, weak, fragile person that you hate the country you live in but don't have the means or ambition to truly move from it.
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WSM Piru posted...

Dorter Trade City aka the first real challenge of the game

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When you work as a cashier, any hint of power you attain must be clung to.
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He is the master of making you think you're being presented something amazing and deep but then you take a step back and realize this is the most idiotic thing you've ever seen and now forgot how to do long division thanks to it.
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I don't know, do we need an over the hill porn actress that's done more lines than a Tetris master to tell us about the USA president's bulbous dick?
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An honest profile.
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From a pure "this is awesome, this fight is awesome" standpoint, Monsoon vs. Raiden is the best Metal Gear fight.

The others are good cinematic story-telling, but not exactly stuff you can fail unless you try.
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