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transience posted...

there are more options than ever and the mainstream world sticks to games longer. I think both can be true.

Yeah, I agree with this. On one hand, the sheer number of ways to play and consume video games has exploded in an incredible way. You have everything from free-to-play mobile games to premium console games, and everything in between, stretched across a numerous different successful platforms.

Undoubtedly, I think people today -- everyone, not just younger generations -- live in a perpetual state of anticipation and hype for the future, rather than truly processing and playing what's out right now, but at the same time, the biggest games today aren't the ones that have only just released. All the big games are ones that by their very nature are meant to stick around, to be played for infinitely, and see continual updates and new content to keep people coming back and hooked.

People hooked on the biggest games today have more reason than ever before to keep playing those games for one, two, three years after they have released, consistently. A God of War can come out, get all the hype, but after it had its time in the sun, people are back to League of Legends or Fortnite or Minecraft without missing a beat.

LeonhartFour posted...

well yeah but the point is that 20 years later we're still calling them two of the greatest games ever made

Are there any games made in the last 5 years that kids and teens will still be hailing as one of the best games ever 20 years from now?

That's sort of an impossible question, I think. Asking a group of older people, who believe the greatest game(s) of all time came during their youth, about if there are games that could stand the test of time for young people today is a little difficult. Undoubtedly, there are cultural phenomenons that have stood the test of time already (Minecraft, League of Legends), and there are others that have only just recently came out that *could* be that (Overwatch, Fortnite, PUBG), but they're going to have to wait until people can reflect on them in that way.

The "greatest game of all time" will probably come in the form of a service--a socially connected, multiplayer-based, streamable experience that forsakes telling a beginning to end story, and is more about individual player stories about what they did or accomplished in the game. There will be that divide in how people feel about it because the games will look so different from what people like us consider the best games of all time, but that's always been the case!

You tend to be contemporaries with people who grew up around Ocarina of Time or Final Fantasy VII -- namely, people who typically have still stuck around a place like GameFAQs. People older who valued, like, Link to the Past or Mario 3 tend to think of the 3D games as not being the hallmarks you do. People these days have their huge games that will leave tremendous impact on them, but you won't hear about it from people who still visit a forum like this. They're on YouTube or Twitch, or some other modern place, and they're talking about games that are highly social, multiplayer-centric games. Something like League of Legends or Minecraft are bigger today for younger people than *any* N64 or PS1 or PS2 video game have ever been, but not for us!

People have a weird fascination with exclusives. That matters when you're trying to make a decision on which console to buy, but once you've made that jump, the entirety of the library of that console becomes *why* that console is great. There's no sense in boiling the PS4 down to its strict exclusives when judging its quality as a platform because virtually every new video game that isn't from Nintendo or Microsoft's studios are available on it. The only time you would boil it down that way is if you're comparing the PS4 to the Xbox, or the PC, since there would be a lot of crossover. But generally speaking? If you have a PS4, if you buy most of your video games there, it doesn't matter that some of those came out elsewhere when you judge its legacy.

I havent played this yet, but Im down for the physical copy.

Donkey Kong GBC is a gift of a video game. If people haven't played it, they certainly should--and it's on the 3DS eShop for easy access!

What a twist after those first few levels.

The joy of Odyssey is truly what you make of it. By that, I mean how much fun you enjoy running and jumping through fun themed worlds, occasionally stumbling upon moons or the odd mini-challenge. If you get life from trying to make stupidly impossible jumps that serve no purpose other than to do it, this is your game, haha. Odyssey is just a super fun game to sit down and play, with no pressure for an underlying point. Its the other side of the coin to Mario 3D World.

The exception to all this is New Donk City.

I agree completelya handful of more worlds with the depth, variety and fun of NDC would have taken it to (even greater) heights. That, plus Darker Side of the Moonwhat a joy that whole production was.

iiicon posted...

a thought:

Mario Odyssey is the worst 3D Mario game

Listen to me.

We both know New Donk City alone is better than Mario Sunshine.

Tell me the last stretch didnt bring a bit of mist to your eye. A tribute, a tribute.

(I know how you could feel this way, actually. The progression, the sense of purpose, the level designit isnt as immediately strong or focused. I think Odyssey lives and breathes on how incredible its mechanics are, rather than the level design or platforming challenges.)

Well, this makes playing DS for the first time a bit of a pickle! There may be too much releasing around a similar timeframe. Sucks! Might still be worth grabbing early so the physical copies dont disappear.

iiicon posted...

Also, god, I picked the absolute worst time to grab AC: Origins (a sprawling open world game with like 100 quests between main and side stories) and Vermintide 2 (L4D game with loot and some persistence, begging you to play just one more mission), because over the next month there's the release of two games I Kickstarted (Battletech, Pillars of Eternity 2), two new games in series I love (Yakuza 6, State of Decay 2), two Overwatch events, and the much-delayed Ys 8 PC release. HM posted his games of summer a while back and I'm probably gonna be working through these games right up until September when the cycle begins anew.

It feels like a surprisingly busy summer of video games, doesnt it? So many good games coming out to play! I want all the fun details of Yakuza 6 as you go through it! The screenshots, the anecdotes, the karaoke minigames!

Good news! The SEGA Mini might be a total bust of an announcement, but fortunately, the Switch is getting classic ports by M2, maybe even some Saturn and Dreamcast games. This is a fair trade off. Maybe, as long as the prices are fair!

Also, Valkyria Chronicles 1 is coming to Switch at the same time as VC4. Its eShop only, but excellent news for the few, the proud, the non-Windows PC owners out there.

False alarm its that really bad third party Genesis you can find in Target and Walmart, but relabeled for release in Japan.

Alright. SEGA Mini is actually speaking to me on a deep level.

The most compelling part of the Xbox One might just be its backward compatibility support. There are games I thought would be lost to time that keep popping up every so often and surprising me. Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Panzer freakin Dragoon Orta!

Ah, the mistaken Tamagotchi game.

The amount of work they're putting into FFXV is truly impressive, almost in a... wrong way, but all the same, it's a fun watch from the sidelines, haha. I guess this support essentially replaces the need for a FFXV-2.

What is Comrades, even?

Firewatch is coming to Switch! I havent played this yet, but I have been wanting to for a while. Didnt think it would make the jump after hearing about how it ran on the PS4, but seemingly, theyve spent a lot of time optimizing it for Switch, and will roll those optimizations out to other platforms later on.

https://twitter.com/camposanto/status/981867830965661698?s=21

Sonic? There are endless amounts of those as well.

I didnt find Infamous too enjoyable in any real way. Im not sure what the answer to that would be. When it comes to open world games, I dont think they focus too much on the act of traversing their big worlds as much as making them big. Spider-Man looks like the perfect way of getting rid of the need for fast travel. Who needs that when you can swing through a city as Spider-Man? I want this game, haha.

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heroicmario posted...

I havent followed the Spider-Man game at all, but this GIF I saw on Twitter looks incredibly fun and pleasing.

that's not even the good stuff:

September 2018 Year of the PS4. Im sold.

I havent followed the Spider-Man game at all, but this GIF I saw on Twitter looks incredibly fun and pleasing.

https://twitter.com/jamesstevenson/status/981579406501007360?s=21

Interestingly, SE also updated the iOS version about a month ago to include Apple TV support, gamepad support, cloud saves and new graphics and sound, along with a new control layout. I havent checked it out, but Im wondering if the new graphics and sound was how the Steam version originally looked. Its truly impressive what they have done do to mess with a SNES game, but at least theyre fixing it!

This is a birthday month of cardboard. Im glad to see there are three others who are joining the journey to STEM their way to a paper piano.

ARMS has a free Global Test going on right now, through the weekend, along with being 30% off in the eShop! This felt like news worth sharing. I was not paid for this promotion.

Grand Kirby posted...

So, people are freaking out over the possibility of DKCR3, both positively and negatively.

I'm all for for it, of course.

I thought this was due to Metroid. I thought thats what people had a problem with. But no, there is cold, ill intent against any idea of Retro working on the Kong. I expect the reaction to be visceral if its true.

(I want it to be so.)

I dont know how to even argue for or against it when were talking about how we feel. All I know is that 1, 4 and 9 dont hold up against the others, in terms of praise or fans. Its easier to defer to critics on this, and in that regard FF has never truly faltered in its mainline games.

foolm0r0n posted...

That's not that true. It produced a lot of consensus great games up through X.

After that they did try changing the gameplay around a bit with more actiony kinda stuff with 12... but then they made 3 13s and 2 MMOs and re-released all their old games a few times. It was the same games over and over for over a decade. 12 and 13 even had the same typical kind of story structure.

XV was massively unique and innovative, which is why it received praise despite being totally broken and unfinished. But it's definitely too little too late. And it's clear they are spending the next 5 years just releasing more bits of that game. So if you don't like XV you're screwed until like 2025

I'm not sure the discussion about "consensus" games is too fruitful. What metric are we using for that? Critic opinions? Our anecdotal thoughts on what we've seen via the Internet? It's an argument with almost no end, haha. What I would say is that I considered FF6, 7 and 10 to qualify as the truly great consensus games, with everything else being anywhere from unremarkable to good, and all the division that comes with having those labels. Final Fantasy arguments are so frequent for a reason!

You're preaching to the choir about the lost years of Square Enix. That's about the point when they lost me as a big fan. What I would say about Final Fantasy during that time is that it still managed to hold on to its relevance, importance and impact, even when every other series in the genre was having its lunch eaten by Western RPGs -- and Western games generally. Final Fantasy is adaptable. It spices things up, it tries new ideas in some way, and that's what I think keeps people coming back. It doesn't necessarily mean every game is a revelation and a leap forward, but that it isn't afraid to do something totally different from the previous game. I don't even know how to qualify what makes a Final Fantasy game a Final Fantasy game, outside of its name, and that's partly a tribute to how it has evolved and changed over the years. That's what, I think, keeps people's interest piqued when a new is announced, even if they hated the one before. It's different than, say, Dragon Quest. When a new one of those is announced you know exactly what you're getting, and you either like that or don't!

You know, I would even settle for eShop only! Cut the overhead! Reuse the PS4 translation as much as possible! Charge SE tax!

(Reggie please)

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Also can the #1 series really be something that hasn't put out a (consensus) great game in 17 years?

I think the true point about Final Fantasy is that it rarely produces consensus games, but the magic about that is that there is going to be one or two or three that are tailor made for you, even if another three arent. Its that variety and experimentation that has kept it relevant today, and is both its blessing and its curse. I dont think its the best, but historically, significantly, and culturally, its hard to say theres a contender to Final Fantasy for #1.

(The last great, new, Final Fantasy game was only 12 years ago!)

Heroic Bigpun posted...

I'm confused

Is it gonna have MIDI or not?

It is. They arent using the orchestrated symphony for this release like they did with DQ8.

I thought the 3DS version looked better, too! Thats what really stings about this announcement, because I was more interested in that style over the console version. I guess its not surprising, just disappointing. Maybe the Switch will have an option to play that way? Who knows!

The other disappointing news is that the Switch is seemingly non-existent as it stands now. Thats on me, of course, but I could have swore there was SOME media by now, haha.

I think this makes me in the market for my own PS4.

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heroicmario posted...

That is one mighty fine looking top 5!

the pokemon stan has logged on

I would trade Mario & Luigi for Pokemon in a heartbeat, but best top 3+5 doesnt quite have the same punch to it. Four of those are so accurate I might have come up with it myself!

(Final Fantasy is not #1, so the Parish conspiracy gets foiled again ever so slightly.)

That is one mighty fine looking top 5!

I am in a simultaneously elated and disappointed state.

Oh, baby, it has to be The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3. A true classic in every sense of the word.

Mario 3D Land is a gem of a game. Its awesome how good it looks running on an emulator. Emulation isnt my cup of tea, as Im typically a stickler for playing on the original hardware and all that brings with it, but Im always impressed what these resolution bumps do for image quality for Wii or 3DS games.

+1 for Kamiko and Blossom Tales.

Good sale.

iiicon posted...

What're you looking forward to?

I don't think it's the dead part of year anymore but I'd have to look at a release schedule of games from years past. On memory, I think The Witcher 3, Splatoon 2, Prey, and Trails the 3rd came out in summer.

Oh, did The Witcher 3 come out during the summer? For some reason, I always had it in my head that it was a holiday release, probably due to it being such a huge hit.

Runner3 (May 22)
Mario Tennis Aces (June 22)
Ys VIII (June 2018)
Crash Bandicoot (July 10)
Captain Toad Treasure Tracker (July 13)
Octopath Traveler (July 13)
Hyper Light Drifter (Summer)
Okami HD (Summer)
The Messenger (Summer)

It's probably not feasible to think I'll get around to all of these, but all of them have caught my eye. Usually, there might be one game over the summer that would stand out, but there's quite a few coming that have my eye. The only two that would be "old" games for me are Captain Toad and Okami, but I love both of them enough to want them again on Switch, haha.

iiicon posted...

Ys 8 hits the Switch on June 26th. Is that the date HM finally plays Ys?!

Haha. This is one of those Summer of Switch games Im most interested in. I have yet to Ys, but this seems like it could be a good intro in 2018. Is it good?

Also, I think this is probably the most packed summer for games it has ever been. There may not be a big blockbuster, but there are so many games coming out in what is historically a dead part of the year.

I remember when Splatoon was first shown my first instinct was that it was a Mario Sunshine remaster, with all that paint, then I thought Mario characters would end up crossing over to make it like a Mario Paintball, haha. What I like about Splatoon is that its not deathmatch-centric. At least in the first, the more are roles and contributions that you still make to the team that dont involve the best K/D. Still need to play Splatoon 2!

iiicon posted...

Just that a lot of the modes are specifically built around having four people in a place communicating to accomplish a goal. Going from your group of friends playing Monster Hunter on a 3DS to jumping into Salmon Run or a ranked battle on a Switch is a lateral progression.

Ah, I see what youre saying. Ive heard a lot of good things about Salmon Run.

How do you mean, as someone who hasnt played Splatoon 2?

Splatoon has become such a staple Nintendo franchise so quickly. That it found the kind of success it did on the Wii U, being a totally new IP, is incredible. It fills a hole in the Nintendo lineup, too, as this unique competitive online shooter-esque experience that they never had before. Splatoon has found itself right alongside Mario or Zelda as a pillar franchise.

I think they were hoping ARMs would catch the same lightning in the bottle, as a fighting game compliment to Smash Bros., but that seemingly hasnt panned out in that big way. Generally, I like this exploration of new ideas with new characters to add into the mix as properties to go along with their staples.

I love seeing all these charts and lists out of GDC. There was a top ten best selling indie games on the Switch for its one year that was interesting to see. Let me see...

SteamWorld Dig 2
Stardew Valley
Kamiko
Celeste
Fast RMX
Golf Story
Enter the Gungeon
Over cooked
NBA Playgrounds
Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove

Stardew Valley has never left the best selling list on the eShop since it was out. The longevity of that game is remarkable.

Peach has no games to play.

The ending sequence is incredible.

Detective Pikachu looks so absurd that I want to see what it has to offer. Im not sure what the gameplay is, necessarily, but the cheese, the goofiness, and the Shadow Hearts 3 voice acting all create a hard cocktail to resist.

STEM toys is about right but nothing will stop my Robot playing Piano skills! Birthday month is Nintendo tape month. Celebrate!

Gekidos Revenge comes out tomorrow!

It is!

I love how much fun it is to play. Not even in the level design, or objective, sense, but more in how Mario feels in your hands, how nice running and jumping is. Its a true Mario 64 successor in that regard.

I find part of the joy within the levels is figuring out what crazy traversal antics I can get into, rather than Moon hunting (but it inevitably will lead me there as a result). Can I make that jump? Can I try to scale this in a different way? Cappys such a complimentary tool, too! I dont know that any game has been so mechanically strong as Odyssey.

It isnt the best Mario, but what a fun, pleasant game it is. Best game on the Switch, for sure!

Hyper Light Drifter is one of those I always wanted to play, but never got around to. Awesome that its coming to Switch!

Ive never played it, so I'm most excited for it out of everything. And The Messenger, because its Ninja Gaiden.

Mark of the Ninja, Lumines HD, The Messenger and Light Fall all looked great.

Mark of the Ninja Remastered, Lumines HD, The Messenger, Light Fall, Banner Saga 1/2/3.

That was a nice set of indie games in 10 minutes.

The Mana Sword posted...

Ended up finally getting an SNES Classic. Not sure how much I'll end up actually using, but I guess I can look at a small SNES whenever I want now.

There's something special about being able to play proper looking SNES games with a SNES controller, on your HDTV, with that many games on there. I know people just say use an emulator on your computer, but I love mine! You have one more way to play Secret of Mana!

iiicon posted...

i now understand (some of) the dragon ball fighter z intro/outros

How is this game a couple months laterv? Are people still playing it?

Oh, yeah, my friend got me to play that once. It made even less sense to me than League, but I did get a sweet Oni Genji skin.

And I guess that makes sense, to play one game like PUBG and then one of the other streaming giants that isnt a shooter. Does Minecraft still get an insane level of streaming, or is that more the realm of the YouTube video?