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If Mzero is usurper, that might change things a little. But I'm not sure that role is used here anymore or not.

Going by Chris's Process of Elimination, Dels seems like he almost has to be on the scum team. I'm not sure I see a scenario where Leo relies on Death and NewDadShad to help him outlive Mzero with a tracker claim.
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htaeD posted...

Semi-Psychic Paranoid Roleblocker Godfather is such a mouthfull. And paranoid godfather seems contradictory.

I guess it's possible, though I seriously doubt it, there's a role on the scum team that requires a scum team member to get the godfather killed and take his place? That's what we had in FFT Mafia several years ago.
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htaeD posted...

When he called Mzero scum earlier (mostly because it confused me). But thats a fine catch.

I was working under Chris's assumptions up until the end of my post there. To me the whole "get Mzero lynched plan' sounded so dumb. But apparently it's either true, or the plan was to get Leo lynched all along and make Mzero look better.
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MZero11 posted...

Corrik isn't actually wrong. I did visit dowolf!

Ok I did a little gambit not expecting Leo to flip paranoid blocker. Figured I wouldn't give scum more info than I needed to get the lynch but now I've been exposed

full disclosure: I have 2 tracks and 2 watches, basically like a Jack. I actually watched Zach night 3 but thought I would keep scum in the dark about my true role. Obviously scum knew I was lying because they knew Leo's role and are trying to mislynch me for it

So yeah, last night I watched dowolf. Strong player with almost no mislynch potential at this point. Guess who else visited him?

Nice try scum. Back to work now see you in a few hours

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Corrik posted...

They didn't block me because I "revealed" I was Vanilla yesterday.

I was asking why scum didn't block Mzero if he's town.

MZero11 posted...

btw I watched Chris Night 2. Corrik targetted him. Corrik actually claimed this and I was town reading him at the time so I thought he was genuine. No idea what he actually did but yeah

Wait... wait... wait... you watched Chris night 2? That's not possible, since you said that you had 2 tracks and 2 watches. You tracked Dowolf, watched Dowolf, Watched Chris... and watched Zac. That's three watches by my count.
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Okay, let's see. I'll work under your assumptions...

You've got, by your process of elimination:

3 scum in:
Dels
Mzero
Death
Shad

Obviously, under this scenario Mzero is scum. Leaving Death, Shad, and Dels as 2/3 for scum.

Who in this scum team is pushing for Mzero to be lynched over Leo? I mean that would have been the plan for Mzero to make Leo look better, right? That's what we're assuming here.

Shad -- Wasn't around because he was busy having a kid. Does the scum team really rely on him to push a lynch, knowing he's probably going to be out?

Death -- Wasn't going to be around, and left his vote on Leo. Death certainly left enough wiggle room for him to reasonably think Mzero was scum, and leave his vote there instead.

Dels -- Had the terrible alliance with Leo. He's the only one of the three who actually voted for Mzero, and he waited until the last minute to do it. Instead, he left his vote on you for much of the day. He too left a lot of room to actually vote Mzero through his alliance, and through his theory of Scum suiciding against Leo. (Which he ultimately did)

So let's look at the scenarios:

Scenario A: Mzero/Leo/Dels/Death:
Under this scenario, Mzero obviously can't vote for himself. He just has to hope he's scummy enough to get lynched. (Which means he has no reason to show up at end of day at all, when he did for a brief bit). This leaves Leo/Dels/Death. Leo and Dels obviously voted for Mzero. But Death voted for Leo. Maybe to look better? But why? If he knows both are flipping scum, it shouldn't matter. Mzero flips scum, and Leo looks better. Death looks better too. Town becomes confused. Why would the ENTIRE SCUM TEAM vote for Mzero here? And as long as Leo didn't get lynched, they'd be looking pretty good. So why not actually push the Mzero lynch harder? Death said he didn't buy Mzero's claim.

Scenario B: Mzero/Leo/Dels/Shad
Under this scenario, you again have Dels and Leo voting for Mzero, and Mzero obviously can't vote for himself. And shad's not around to vote, meaning the scum team has to rely on town for enough votes to put down Mzero. They get Corrik, and for a while Pxl and even you for a brief moment. I guess this team could make some sense, having nobody around to push the MZero lynch.

Scenario C: Mzero/Leo/Shad/Death
Again Mzero can't push his own lynch. Leo's the ONLY ONE pushing for a lynch against Mzero here. Why would death vote for MZero when Shad isn't going to be around, and Leo's the only one to push the plan through by himself to get by a claimed scan. This team makes zero sense to me with this plan.

With this plan, Dels almost certainly has to be scum. No way does Scum rely on town to lynch a claimed power who says they've caught scum.

The plan, though, doesn't look like it'd ever work. Why do that instead of.. say have Mzero claim to be vanilla, and then Have Leo say "Nope. You're scum, you targeted me last night." (I guess if Mzero is Vanilla scum they couldn't do that). I mean that makes Leo look much better.

And on top of it all, Leo seemed REALLY frustrated yesterday about Mzero. I mean it's possible he's just frustrated by his teammate bussing him. (Which means it wouldn't have been part of any plan). But knowing now that he WAS psychic (paranoid roleblocker?) it seems more like he was frustrated that town lied and caught him somehow when he knows someone didn't target him.
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Okay.

#1. Am I the only one NOT totally buying Corrik here? I mean I get Chris's arguments. They're good ones. Why would Scum track Mzero? Simpliest answer to that is... maybe they didn't. They just connected Mzero to the dead guy. They didn't kill him in order to get us to lynch him. I mean why would scum mzero say that he DID target Dowolf in order to make Corrik look bad? Why not just say "Nope, I didn't have an action last night. I'm an Odd Night tracker, and last night was night 4. ". That alone makes Corrik look bad (if Corrik is town). No need to say "CORRIK VISITED DOWOLF". No need to even claim any action at all. Instead, MZero comes in and pretty much ensures that at LEAST one of Corrik and Mzero are scum. He could've even said "I tracked Dowolf". (Which puts us at null between the two of them)

Also, if the scum team were trying to make Leo look good, why not claim info on Mzero instead of the other way around?

I should also note that I got a feeling that Mzero was holding back yesterday. I don't think I mentioned it, but I got the feeling he was pulling some kind of gambit. Though I thought it was more along the lines of him being able to track every night.

It is suspect they didn't block him instead of pxl (who's ability doesn't seem that useful). Of course, that's assuming Pxl IS Town. (if she is, then obviously they have a roleblocker. But if she isn't, they might not). I'm not sure why they don't roleblock him just to be safe if they do have a roleblocker. So that's probably the best argument in Corrik's favor at the moment.

#2. Dels alliance yesterday was bad. I don't think it necessarily speaks to his alignment one way or another, but it's really annoying that he apparently thought Leo was scum and would neither say so and voted for Mzero. I asked him what he'd do if it came down to a tie, and he gave an "ugggh" type response, indicating he wasn't sure. But then he came in and actually voted for Mzero. (If this Mzero is scum theory everyone else has is correct, then Dels is probably scum too). Like... if your allegiance is to town, that's where your primary allegiance should be. Not to some player who you think is scum.
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Congrats! And best of luck. Remember the last time you slept well, because it'll be awhile before that happens again.
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dowolf posted...

it bothers you that it bothers me that scum have clearly conceded that I'm town and I'm not dead?

I've seen scum leave townish players alive a lot. Especially in favor of power. You only got Han lynched day 2. Not sure what they did night 2, since we don't know who was poisoned. But the cop was their obvious target for night 3.
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dowolf posted...

AND THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME AND THAT BOTHERS ME.

tbh it bothers me a little that you doth protest too much about this.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Does anyone want to see more of me vs dels? Seriously, guys?

Doesn't really bother me. Was it supposed to? I don't get what everyone's up in arms about over it. I thought you didn't either.
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Corrik posted...

So why did you say you were gone for hours and just came back.

I meant from earlier. Went for dinner, watched a movie with my kids, then came back.

Would it make you feel better if everytime I showed up I just posted "Checking in!" rather than actually posting some thoughts? I mean I don't really think that's quite activity.
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Corrik posted...

Ashethan posted...

Corrik posted...

not what your timestamps said. liar

Yeah, I've been reading the topic. Scum.

so why werent u posting

I posted once about 40 minutes ago. Then left again to wait for Mzero's answer to my question. Came back and read everything.
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Corrik posted...

not what your timestamps said. liar

Yeah, I've been reading the topic. Scum.
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dowolf posted...

Quick, someone give me some other game Ashe was town in.

I haven't played in two years. So uhh... not sure which ones I have that are archived.
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dowolf posted...

...Ashe have you been here the whole time?

No, I've been gone for a couple hours. Just came back.
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##Vote: Leo

Leo vs Mzero needs to be settled today. Leo's made some good arguments, but I still feel he's complaining about being caught for a bad reason. And if he's town, we've got Mzero dead to rights tomorrow.
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Mzero- If Leo flips town super psychic, What's your response?
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Corrik posted...

You do not know anything about me. Site your sources.

Both games I've played with you, you've been much better than this. You caught Death as scum in that one game who's flavor I can't remember (some anime thing I think), and eventually, you pretty much lynched my entire team in Buffy the Vampire Slayer Mafia. The second of which you played around with fake claims for a long time, catching scum. Here you haven't done that at all.
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Dels posted...

personal attack, not needed

No, it's not. You're right. But I get pissed when people are like "Man where have you been?!" when I've been fairly active when it's not been a holiday. (Aside from the fact that a modkill happened on day 3, and I replaced late into day 2)

Especially when it's coming from someone I'm pretty sure is scum.
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Corrik posted...

I may have started out slow, but I am about to singlehandedly win this game for us.

You're doing a good job for your scum team. (If you're town, though, you've been absolutely awful all day. And Town Corrik isn't this awful)
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Corrik posted...

Nope. Yesterday you posted maybe 3 posts and 1 of which was not even was what was asked with generalies, non committal talk, and nothing of note.

I'm talking about mafia days, not ACTUAL days. I wasn't here yesterday because it was a holiday. Unlike you, some of us actually have lives.
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RogueNoble posted...

If Eaed didn't claim vanilla jinjo out of the blue D1 I'd definitely be calling Ashethan scum here. Maybe I'm giving scum eaed too little credit. Could be another Guardian Heroes mafia, where Eaed was declared "too bad to be scum."

Have you even caught up to the point where I first started posting?

I mean last I checked, you hadn't.
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Mzero's first post today:

MZero11 posted...

To be fair BCT was really scummy. So was Donker. Can't really blame Corrik for people playing poorly imo

Then:

MZero11 posted...

I'm on lunch break and my PSP died. Sad :(

I don't have time to catch up right now, but I don't think Corrik is scum because of his interactions with Han. I'll reread it when I get home but I didn't feel scum/scum there

Also what has Shad done this game I literally remember nothing from him (well other than him arriving late on D1). Gonna check that out too

And lastly:

MZero11 posted...

I don't mind mass claiming, but I'm going to sleep now

Good night

He doesn't really mention Leo in here. He does, however, mention shad. Does make me wonder why he didn't track Shad here.
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Corrik posted...

Repeat. Ashethan came out of the woodwork as soon as this claim happened.

Gee, you mean I came around to post after my morning walk, and then catching up? Like I did the previous day? You don't say!
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dowolf posted...

...no. Immediately stifling discussion is never a good play (see: d2. Unfortunately hider kinda forces that).

Hider didn't really force it, though. No more than catching Leo as scum would. You could've waited on that info, but you didn't. Because (assuming you're town here--and I think you probably are) you caught scum. When you catch scum, you make sure it's taken down. So people have time to react, if nothing else. Discussion only stifles when town allows it to stifle. And it did on day 2 in large part to having three (I think? might have been 4) replacements.

And I'm not sure what you're asking by how long have I been here.
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I don't disagree that Mzero's logic is off. But if he's scum, he's got a whole scum team to come up with reasons to have scanned you. Town power sometimes does act less than ideally (personally if I were tracker though I wouldn't have tracked a claimed vanilla).

I also can't help but feel Leo is scum here going "OMG YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME? HE TRACKED ME BECAUSE OF THAT!? SRSLY?"

On the other hand, MZero does seem to have gotten really lucky to have tracked the scum member who apparently sent in the kill. (Assuming Pxl is town, since she said she was roleblocked). And forcing mylo wouldn't be the worst move.

Mzero also did himself no favors NOT coming in and being like "Time to die Leo" If he's town, that's exactly what he should have done. If he's scum, his team might not have come up with the plan until later.

He saves information for a little longer than he should've too. Giving us limited amount of time to talk about it. (Though since yesterday was the fourth of july, we'd probably have a fairly limited time either way) I think town would want it out as early as possible.
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Dels posted...

Guys, think of it this way:

If I made a promise to YOU

and you were town

and then the entire rest of the town turned against you

you would appreciate it if I stayed by your side? right? Even if the entire town was pressuring me to take it back?

As Town, if you made that promise to me I'd probably think you were scum trying to buddy up to me tbh.

And if my lynch would catch scum, then I'd be all for it. And as scum, I'd probably want you to keep to it, but only to save my own ass.
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Dels posted...

Because sometimes forcing yourself into a new perspective can help the town win, and it is a sign of trust, a sign of peacemaking, an offer to work together and be a team

You can look at things from a new perspective without an alliance of any sort. I always look at things from multiple sides. It's kind of what I do. It's probably why i tend to come across as wishy washy sometimes. I think "If X is scum" and "If X is town".

And I find that the best relationships in mafia form naturally, and aren't forced. In fact, I find that those relationships tend to build pretty fast. Once a town gets on a roll, they start going after scum as a cohesive unit forcing Scum out of their comfort zone. A good town relationship doesn't require that one person never votes the other. It only requires both people to hunt scum together, and preferably to lynch them together.

Trust shouldn't just be given, it should be earned.
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Dels posted...

Also, like I said, does the town not have enough votes to lynch scum if they feel that is the direction to go?

I asked you earlier: If there's a tie at the end of day between Mzero and Leo, you're the only one left to vote. What do you do? All you said was :

Ugguuuhggg...

So which matters more to you:

Honor to Leo
or Honor to Town?

Unless you think leo is town, you cannot be honorable to both. I'm not sure honor really means all that much to you. I think you just don't want to vote your scum buddy here.
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Dels posted...

I had a bad read on the way he worded his claim, I don't see what that has to do with honor.

Andy clearly valued his honor in telling the truth. So much that he modkilled himself over it (which he shouldn't have done).

His honor was at least something pro-town (tell the truth)
Your honor is anti-town (refuse to lynch and refuse to call scum out as scum)

Like if you're town here, you're pretty much removing one town vote from a lynch because of 'honor' If you're scum though, it makes sense. You want to save your buddy.
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Dels posted...

I have no idea what you're talking about

Where you were like "This is like a child" which you joked about like 5 minutes ago with Leo.

I mean Andy was definitely suspicious. He fluked out and called poisoner and Minjo. His night actions were a little suspicious (could've had TWO cop scans. TWO!) and the whole idea that his role could give scum two kills gave me pause. There was plenty to think about Andy on.

But he always insisted he was telling the truth. And you were like "LOL Guys he's telling the truth here by using a comma". Which okay, maybe that's just how you roll. Nothing wrong with that by itself.

Now here you are insisting on honor to avoid lynching someone (or even saying that person is scummy) and expecting us just to roll with it because you have HONOR.

Is that honor scum honor? Is that what it is? Because that's what it feels like at the moment. You promised your scum buddy you wouldn't vote for him. Why would you ever make a promise like that as town? I don't get it.
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Dels posted...

Guys, my word is important to me, and it is important to you all as well because it means in the future, you know that if I make a deal with you, I will uphold it.

You mean like how Andy's word was important to him, and you went after him for it?
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Dels posted...

What do you want me to say here, death?

He wants you to say if you think Leo is town or scum. I thought that was pretty clear.
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Dels posted...

Does anyone seriously believe corrik gets caught up on using the word "claim" instead of "am"...?

Especially when earlier in the game he said that he knows I'm town when he meant to say he knows he's town.

Corrik posted...

I don't see it that way but maybe I am looking at it from he must be scum because I know he is town.

I don't think either are necessarily slips (though if they are, keep em' up scum team) as I could see Town doing either. (The worst part of what Corrik said, LIke I said earlier, is the fact that he's looking at eaed's posts from a 'must be scum' perspective rather than a neutral perspective so that his theory is formed around the facts, and not the other way around)

But Leo should be the lynch today. Unless someone can convince me MZero is the more likely scum here. I just don't see it. It's not like he missed the psychic claim--he mentions it as soon as he claims He also claims all of his actions, none of which are super convenient like you might expect of scum. The only really convenient thing about his claim is that he won't have a track tonight. Unless of course, he's lying about that in hopes of getting another track off before he dies. (And his other track went nowhere, so he's not sharing it atm)

Leo also seems a little upset he was tracked for what he perceives as the wrong reasons. I could see scum upset about that, but I think town would be more confused.
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pxlated posted...

either way, panthera is the vote i feel least conflicted about.

Why? One of Mzero or Leo HAS to be scum at this point. There's just no way around it. Unless you can explain to me a scenario where both are town, one of them should be lynched today, and you're not going to convince me otherwise.
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Dels posted...

I said I'm not voting for Leo today.

Scenario: Leo and MZero are tied for the lynch. You're the only one around to break the tie. What do you do?
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Leo vs Mzero has to be settled today. We don't sit on lynching caught scum for someone who's only suspicious One of these two has to be lying. There's no world where both are telling the truth. Especially since Leo claimed psychic.
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MZero11 posted...

and no, I didn't actually think you were scum for any real reason (but I wasn't town reading you either). I made the play I thought had the highest chance of catching scum.

So what town action did you think he might have performed on colzach?
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Did Mzero react to Han claiming Cat?

Is this archived? I know Corrik was posting it from somewhere.
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So Mzero claims he tracked Leo to colzach. Hmm...

Leo does look suspicious. Beyond the scan, there's his vote on me. Which I actually thought made him look townish, because I thought "No way would scum Leo vote for me without actually reading any of my posts and admitting it." He even defends his posts after Corrik called him for trolling.

RogueNoble posted...

If that's your reaction to me voting one of your scumspects, I don't even want to think about what you'd do if I put you to -1. We might have a third modkilled mafia player in the last two games!

Dels doesn't seem to pick this up as trolling, either. But then after Panthera calls it out, Leo says it WAS trolling.

Of course, I'm not sure why Leo claims psychic without being scum psychic. So he should have known if he was tracked as scum.

MZero11: Why did you choose the targets you did?

Still think Corrik is scum. I think if he were town, he'd use his fakeclaim to get Andy to claim haphazardly because that's what Town Corrik does. He never did, though. I mean newbie town are ripe for fake claims to find out if they're innocent or not. Yet, Corrik never tried it on Andy. He also seems to be in "Don't get lynched mode" rather than "Find scum" mode. And he pretty much said he was reading the game with preconceived notions, rather than a blank slate. Which is how town should read the game)

But if MZero has info on Leo, we should settle that today. Either Mzero is lying or Leo is lying (or I guess both could be lying, but I'm not sure what the benefit would be.)
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I won't be on much today, because I'm taking my kids to see my mom. So please, let's not end day today. No matter how inactive it gets and people see the opportunity. Especially after that modkill.

@Corrik you asked who I think the scum team is.

1. You. For reasons I've already stated

2. Shad. If you're not scum, then I think Shad almost certainly is (unless we have an unclaimed Jinjo out there). Plus his paralysis is weird. If it's self-inflicted, he didn't claim it. Though my back and forth thinking has me thinking: Yes, he'd make sure to claim that as scum to look more like town. To "No as scum he'd want to make people think the scum team paralyzed him". Could go either way and isn't really worth guessing over. But I think you're almost certainly scum.

3. Mzero. I feel one of the less active players almost has to be scum. He and Shad have been the most invisible, so he goes on for that reason.

4. Dels. I feel least comfortable with him over the rest. Had trouble naming a fourth one tbh.

I doubt I got more than 1 or 2 right, but I think in those 4 there's at least 1 scum.
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dowolf posted...

("gut" may have not been the perfect word. More wishy-washy and uncommittal and no references.)

Well, I'm not committed. Dels isn't a strong suspect for me at the moment. Honestly, except for Corrik nobody is.

Corrik, though, I'm pretty sure is scum now. He's way too insistent on me being scum based solely on host meta. That's not something I think Town Corrik would do. Especially on day 4.
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NFL Mafia.
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Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool."

Probably not that well. We've played a few games together. And I replaced in Persona 4 Mafia as your partner. (Then we got killed)
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Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool."

Corrik posted...

I will make this clear one last time. I know Ashe is scum.

So you're claiming Scum then? Because I know without a doubt you're lying. Good job outing yourself to me here.
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Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool."

Is Corrik STILL using host-meta to suspect me? I mean I just don't think that's something Town Corrik would do. Especially since I know I'm town. He hasn't really pulled any gambits this time to try to get someone to slip up either. That was a distinctive impression I got from my limited experience with him. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

I think one of him or Chris are scum (it's possible both, but I'd be more surprised if both were town) I like Chris better because he HAS been pulling gambits, which I've also seen him do as town. I'm sure he'd do it as scum too, but at this point assuming I'm right about one of them being scum, I think Corrik is the more likely to be scum between them.

Corrik's definitely been pretty scummy. And not very towny at all. I think he'd be a lot more cocky as Town too.

Dels is a little suspicious, only because he said a few times that "If I were town" coupled with "If I were scum". Not sure if this is his usual play style or not, since I don't think I've ever played with him.

Death's still on my radar, but I feel a little better about his reaction to my stupid suspicion.
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Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool."

KujikawaRising posted...

I have no idea why you think I'm scum, aside from Corrik insisting so. Corrik is usually wrong, so...

#1. Corrik hasn't really influenced my thinking here at all. I'm basing my thoughts on you, your role, your actions, and your reactions.

#2. Didn't you think Corrik was scum? I mean that's not 'wrong' it's 'lying'. (Of course, if you're scum this is just wifom.)

What makes you think it's the same night double action? And how would that even work?

Dels posted...

seems legit that scum could have it but that it can't be used on the nightkill...? unless this is their extra kill.

Poisoner already flipped, so I'm guessing that's their extra kill. If Andy's scum, he's probably lying about what his dances do. I mean if he's scum, he could pretty much say they do anything since he'd have more information to work with than the rest of us.
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Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool."

I've only seen a dancer once, but in that game the players didn't get their bonus action until the next night.
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Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool."

Honestly, there seems to be too much potential murder.

Day 1 - Lynch
Night 1 - Jinjo Murder, Vig Shot (I won't even include the scum shot here in the unlikely event Zac is scum)
Day 2 - Lynch
Night 2 - Jinjo Murder, Poison, Double Scum Kill (From Andy's ability)

That's 7 kills in 2 days AND that's not counting a scum shot on night 1. Which would make it 8.

Andy saying that he could give scum an extra kill leads me to think he's lying.
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Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool."