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| Topic | Other countries ban guns and have less gun deaths than the U.S. |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:55:52 PM #108 | pinky0926 posted... Edit: Nevermind, I see the "total" column is not total deaths but total rate of deaths per 100,000 capita. And yeah, that's f***ing terrible USA. For whatever reason, you're punching on an equal level with some of the biggest s***hole countries in the world. Like France, Norway, and Finland? Because all of them have worse rates on mass shootings. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Other countries ban guns and have less gun deaths than the U.S. |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:52:22 PM #105 | Balrog0 posted... In that different kinds of gun control have different impacts on different kinds of gun violence. There are certainly gun control laws that reduce homicide. To think otherwise is simply ignorance Some gun control laws are good, true. But the gun control policies that have been proven to work, background checks and the like, are already laws. What about new gun legislation? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Other countries ban guns and have less gun deaths than the U.S. |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:41:54 PM #97 | Balrog0 posted... lol are you srs? you're the one who explained it to me, the margin of error around their numbers remember? they claim not to know the exact number when comparing the EU to the US, but they report an exact number when they compare individual EU countries to the US Sorry, I should have said "I still have no idea what your contention is here." Balrog0 posted... it is in the complete chart if you had gone to the web site that your picture is from I've been to the site, thanks. I haven't bothered to memorize everything on it. If you have a problem with the statistics I've shown here, either explain why they're misleading or stop being mealymouthed in an effort to downplay it. Balrog0 posted... yeah, I know. they should keep running the numbers! right? Sure. Why not. Balrog0 posted... I'm not saying it isn't useful to think about them separately. But gun control is relevant to both things. In that it hasn't been proven to have a meaningful effect on homicide whether it's gang-related or not? Yeah. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Let's check in on the Democratic Party's candidate hunt |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:33:54 PM #28 | creativerealms posted... So which is it. You can't accept his loss and know he was cheated at the same time. That just doesn't make sense. A popular candidate would have beaten Hillary in regular delegates. Bernie didn't have a chance even if they didn't have superdelegates. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Other countries ban guns and have less gun deaths than the U.S. |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:31:09 PM #93 | Foppe posted... Perhaps individual European countries are higher up because they got so few people compared to the whole USA? Yeah. Because that's how statistics work. If a city with a population of 1,000,000 has 500 murders and a city with a population of 1,000 has 5 murders, the latter city is a more dangerous to be in because there's a higher likelihood you'll be murdered even though they have .01x as many murders as the big city does. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Let's check in on the Democratic Party's candidate hunt |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:27:00 PM #24 | creativerealms posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...ledbowman posted...Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the country. "Insisting"? As if there's any doubt? The GOP tried to screw Trump too. They literally gave Ted Cruz Colorado before any votes were cast. Trump won anyway because he was popular. Bernie Sanders however got smoked by Hillary. Just saying, it's weird that the "most popular politician" would get reamed that badly in the primaries. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Other countries ban guns and have less gun deaths than the U.S. |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:24:57 PM #91 | Balrog0 posted... I dunno, have you seen or heard them say what the confidence interval is for those numbers? I still have no idea what you're talking about here. Balrog0 posted... I mean, either it does or it doesn't. Either you are saying we can trust the numbers without the confidence interval or we can't. You don't get to have it both ways, that is my point. I don't know what the EU's overall mass shooting rate is compared to the US. That's what I meant by "may". Balrog0 posted... I'd like to see if that's still true if you account for years prior to 2009 and after 2015, but it doesn't bother me if this is true even if you do that. It's a very truncated number that doesn't include many relevant aspects of the conversation IMO (like said exclusion of gun crime related to other crimes, or the exclusion of shootings in public places that aren't mass shootings, or the exclusion of mass shootings that aren't in public places) but I have always said that gun control is a poor way to deal with mass shootings... 2015 is when the numbers were collated. You should've seen that in the website, right? And obviously mass shootings not related to gang crime is a rather separate issue from indiscriminate rampage killers. That's clearly why they parsed the data like that. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Let's check in on the Democratic Party's candidate hunt |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:21:35 PM #21 | ledbowman posted... Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the country. Weird how that didn't translate into primary votes (even excluding superdelegates) --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Trump suggests arming teachers with guns |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:16:34 PM #53 | Squall28 posted... Caution999 posted...Hornezz posted...Arm 20% of retail workers in case of a mall shooting. Bans worked so well with drugs! - Usage didn;t go down at all - Created a black market - Criminals control a monopoly on the industry What makes you so sure a gun ban will do anything else --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Trump suggests arming teachers with guns |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:14:58 PM #50 | I'm not seeing why allowing teachers to exercise the rights they have everywhere else is so bad. Not like making schools "gun-free zones" has saved any lives. Mass shootings happen almost exclusively in gun-free zones. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Other countries ban guns and have less gun deaths than the U.S. |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:09:17 PM #88 | Balrog0 posted... I think it's 'unfair' to report statistics that favor your side and not the reverse. Well the statistics clearly indicate that the US does not have a problem with mass shootings when compared with European countries. Balrog0 posted... Like saying the EU has a lower rate of mass shooting deaths and mass shooting frequency than the US, for instance, but then waving it off because it is not "significantly different statistically" The EU overall may, but the US isn't even in the top 10 when comparing individual European countries in terms of mass shooting deaths or mass shooting frequency. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Other countries ban guns and have less gun deaths than the U.S. |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 12:01:03 PM #86 | Balrog0 posted... we're not taking a random sample of a population in order to statistically discover the characteristics of the overall population so there is no reason to do that Obviously, not all mass shootings have clinical reports. Most are gang and drug-related and it's not always possible to tell exactly how many fatalities one shooting caused when victims will speed off and bleed out later. The low population of many EU countries leaves them open to wide variations due to small adjustments so you would probably see wide margins around it if they did do such a thing Wait, so you think it's not fair to European countries account for population when it comes to mass shootings? Sorry, but that's not how this works. The claim is that mass shootings don't happen in European countries that ban guns. Fact is they do, at rates higher than the US'. Ergo, it is false to say that banning guns will necessarily reduce mass shootings. The claim has zero supporting evidence. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Other countries ban guns and have less gun deaths than the U.S. |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 11:48:59 AM #84 | Balrog0 posted... I mean it even says that the 95% confidence interval for the fatality rate from mass shootings is, "-.0244 to .253" They appear to be talking about the margin of error as it pertains to the number of fatalities that occured. Where's the difficulty here? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Do gun owners go to bed scared every night? |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 11:43:42 AM #9 | SomeonesAlt posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...Do you wear a seatbelt? Why? Are you SCARED you're gonna get in an accident? The point is that having something for protection does not mean you're scared of everything. Ask anyone who claims otherwise if they would feel more scared or less scared if they had this sign in front of their neighbor's house:  --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Other countries ban guns and have less gun deaths than the U.S. |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 11:34:47 AM #76 |   Anyone else want to defend the myth that Europe is somehow safer than the US? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
| Topic | Do gun owners go to bed scared every night? |
| Sephiroth1288 02/22/18 11:33:01 AM #3 | Do you wear a seatbelt? Why? Are you SCARED you're gonna get in an accident? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 |
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