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Crescent-Moon posted...

htaeD posted...

Shaduln posted...

Pretty sure there was a semi recent game where scum dayvig killed their own teammate and rode that to the end.

I have seen scum do crazier things than that even

I was in a game where just about all Leo did for like 3 days was aggressively attack other scum. I think it was one of my hydra games.

We had scum claim bp miller princess to stay alive on 2nd to last day and then won the standoff in the final 3
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_foolmo_
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Turbo is a -4 votes right now

MI, Leo, eaed, DYL, Han, Corrik, (tentatively Crescent and me who don't want to take him to hammerable territory)

MI/Leo started the pressure on Turbo from nowhere with deep public cooperation, so if Turbo is scum then they are pretty solidly town unless they're doing some sort of sacrifice play. The rest (including Crescent and me) all joined directly because of MI's analysis.

Not really sure what this means for scum reads. It is really easy to join the train because of MI's posts.

Maybe a good question to ask is: Who is NOT feeling a scum Turbo right now despite MI's posts and such?

RogueNoble posted...

MI, thanks for using my free vote in such a town positive way!

I'm wondering what this free vote means though?
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Han and Death married couple fighting sighhh
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LMAO that vig claim. I mean it feels towny but still.

Corrik posted...

A vig is not a safe claim. He would have to shoot tonight to prove it now that he is claimed. Otherwise he dies tonight and his shot is wasted.

Or he can just not shoot because he's just a vig so it's not a big deal. He probably would shoot town anyways.

RogueNoble posted...

Are DYL and FD the same account? They both seem really overdramatic and prone to talking about people who want to lynch them better be prepared to be punched out by the fiery fists of JUSTICE!!! and personally offended when someone might want to lynch them.

I'm actually wary of DYL for how unusually calm he is being this game

htaeD posted...

he didnt say much, but that also made it impossible for him to move into a Chris lynch when deadpool sounded more like his number 2 choice

That's the contradiction. Deadpool was his supposed #2, but in reality allowing Deadpool to live so Chris can die was his #2 as he stayed on Zam.
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_foolmo_
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Dark Young Link posted...

I was fairly split on Chris and Pool yesterday. I didn't know who I wanted to vote for more, and with my typical accuracy day 1 I didn't feel confident I'd hit right. Knowing my luck I'd decide to vote up Chris and then we'd all be in a far worse situation. Granted as far as you know, this could be an excuse for scum to not lynch their own blocker or to not be found on a town(assuming Chris wasn't somehow indy) but it is what it is.

This kind of explanation feels weak. I thought you weren't feeling either Deadpool or Chris, not that you were feeling both but were too indecisive to pick. If you thought Pool/Chris weren't great targets and Zam was, that definitely explains why you stayed on Zam. That's what Red did at least.

But if you're saying you stayed "neutral" because you were afraid... eh, not buying it. You easily could've said so towards the end of the day, especially when it became obvious Deadpool was gonna be the target. But you seemed to stay as vague as possible.

This is the main theme of my scumtells today: If you didn't make SOLID statements about Deadpool or Chris day 1 that could come back to bite you, I'm gonna be very suspicious. It's not too risky if town makes a solid but wrong tell, with explanation. But it is very risky if scum makes the wrong tells.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Why should I cast a potentially deciding vote about a user that I didn't have as strong of a read on?

... because the alternative is town Chris being lynched? Your explanation is mostly decent but you have to admit that it was weird not to help push things towards Deadpool when Chris was on the line. Not that you had to be the sole hero of town, but you really would've been happier with a Chris lynch that you did nothing to stop?

Crescent-Moon posted...

I think it's possible that "board 8 special Sceptile" may have been another attempt to save Deadpool.

I am thinking this too which is why I'm kinda warm on Scep even though Chris was railing him hard. Would scum make such an obvious/revealing play on day 1 just to save Deadpool (who, despite being a strong role, would probably get lynched the next day anyways)?
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_foolmo_
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http://ncase.me/attractors/

Very quick and important explanation of a systemic concept that is often overlooked. Very relevant to deep state and elections and such.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

So I was thinking about this and I checked and it is true majority of the people on the Chris lynch were counter votes or self defense votes.

Scep, Prof were counters. Zam was too but to a lesser extent. I wasn't at all.

I voted Chris way earlier (it was the first thing I did after doing my big catch up). Chris actually counter voted me after that. Later I went to Deadpool to goad Chris into joining me, and then returned to Chris wayyy later.

What do you think about that list though? Does it change how you read anyone?
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htaeD posted...

I will grant you that this was more about you attacking Chris
but I still felt it came across as a defense of deadpool at the same time
the plurality thing is something I hadnt considered, but even then your vote stuck with Chris and that's something I cant give a good grade

I can see why you would see this as a defense of Deadpool, but my whole point there was to get Chris to lynch Deadpool. I did the same with MI later. I did stick with Chris since I thought he was the more scummy and more dangerous target, but at no point did I try to stop anyone from going Deadpool and I only encouraged it.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I just don't see how you could read that and think I was leaving myself room to vote chris.

Really? I mean in your quote you say "On the chance that he is town" before "we'd be doing scum a huge favor". How is that not leaving yourself room?

I don't have a special reason not to lynch him, no.

But i think zam is the better choice.

You're literally saying Chris is an option, but Zam is better.

i don't see a single hypothetical grouping of payers that wouldnt kill town chris

This also is worded as a hypothetical "TOWN chris". Every mention of Chris is pretty couched in a hypothetical like this.

What it comes down to:
1. If you ended up voting Chris, could any quote you posted be used against you as a contradiction? - The answer is not at all

And you still haven't answered my very simple question that I've asked twice already:
2. Why did you stay on Zam all the while votes were getting close on Prof and Chris?
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_foolmo_
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MI's wall about Turbo makes a lot of sense. Sitting on Chris without any ideas as to why he was scum is definitely bad. He even tried to get Chris to claim (and not just because he's dumb like Corrik). I hate that "GG team" crap too.

##Unvote: My Immortal

I don't want to vote Turbo just yet because I want to hear why Leo was so sure about him along with MI this morning. I am also highly wary of FD and Sceptile and would vote them (but not enough to divert much attention from Turbo). Sort of scummy ranking:
FD
Turbo
Sceptile
Han

Okay none of Leo's posts in the 300s really back up why he is anti-Turbo. He just agrees with MI (which takes 0 effort) and fearmongers about Turbo's scum play (which is fair but ad hominem). Any original arguments against Turbo, Leo?

Corrik posted...

No. I am suggesting MI used faulty reasoning there to explain why it couldn't have been scum-scum prior to the nightkills.

Agree with this for sure, though it's a minor detail so I still largely agree with MI

NewDonker posted...

Please keep on making scumposts like this so everyone can see you for who you are.
Vote: AlakazamTrainer
Toot toot, all aboard the acum lynch train! Let's get another no mislynch game!!!!

lol this is such a nooby post I don't even know what to think, it's so cute that it overrides all the scumminess

But yeah Zam's post doesn't hold too much water. Corrik wasn't controlling D1 much at all, he only cared about Chris being scum, and didn't even try to recruit anyone specifically. He just yelled and then left. Didn't care about Deadpool or Zam or others.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

if I haven't made it clear enough yet then allow me to be frank. I will not be accepting any bullshit arguments. If you are going to come at me, then you had better come at me with real facts.

The notion that I "soft defended prof" is a lie.

The idea that I "left myself open to vote chris" is a lie and not as all representative of anything I said about chris yesterday.

Dude, your post is quoted right there. People can read it and take their own interpretations:

Prof - not a terrible choice, but he's not in the same category as zam. Prof seems scummish, but zam just seems scum. That said a prof lynch is not underserved.

Chris - if scum it would be an incredible d1 lynch. But if town we are just saving scum the effort and executing their n1 kill during d1. I don't have a confident enough read to commit to that kind of risky play, not with much better options available.

Undecided language on both. Yes you were leaning scum on Prof and leaning town on Chris, but these stances clearly allowed you leeway to both avoid voting Prof, and to end up voting Chris (once you got a confident enough read, etc).

That said, this would all be okay if you didn't start today claiming that you were totally against Prof and totally for Chris. It leaves the question that I brought up in 4.243 that you haven't answered:
Why would you stay on Zam even though you knew Prof was scum and Chris was town and it was such a close vote?

It's fine if you were undecided or had bad reads. Town does that all the time, no big deal. But only scum cares so much that everyone believes they had good reads all throughout day 1.
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htaeD posted...

then there was foolmo, who sounded too whiny about deadpool getting votes, as if he wanted to know what deadpool did wrong
voting Deadpool

Can you give ONE example of this? I heavily encouraged people to lynch Deadpool (if it was obvious they weren't gonna ever get on Chris) even when Deadpool only had 3 votes. I didn't realize plurality lynched either which is why I was so gung ho about getting votes out there. And even when Chris was tied with Deadpool I yelled at Chris and MI to lynch Deadpool. I absolutely wanted either Chris or Deadpool to be lynched that day and I repeatedly said I was happy with either outcome. I did also mention that I was nervous about Deadpool being such an easy lynch at the beginning, but you're a bad player if you're not wary of that. Chris was wary of that too which is why he only voted Deadpool after his "worst player ever" analysis in the last hour.

htaeD posted...

and sceptile going back to voting Chris I also didnt like

Sceptile definitely feels like a strong lynch right now based on his interactions with Chris

My Immortal posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

ultimately we need an explanation for why MI spent so long on Chris, jumped off, and then floundered before landing on Prof

ScareChan posted...

[7] Chris - (Corrik), (Puns), Scare, (Corrik), Puns, (foolmo), (Leo), (Alakazam), Sceptile, Alakazam, Corrik, foolmo, prof

???????

OOPS I meant that you were WITH Chris on SCEPTILE

So, why were you so long on Sceptile, jumped off and then floundered before landing on Prof?
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_foolmo_
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Nanahara715 posted...

This is the second post where Fool is specifically calling out someone in the vein of "lol dude was wrong" for kinda no real reason?

The joke here specifically is that Corrik and I butt heads (or rather I destroy him) very often in politics topic etc. This is the first time we've played mafia together and he is acting like an idiot so I'm roasting him just the same.

Nanahara715 posted...

The bold is what gave me pause. I just... was weird to me. Like Fool knew DP was scum already.

I said it was my theory. I even said "IF Zam/Prof flipped scum" at the end there. If Chris is town (still not gonna assume that) then obviously that theory is wrong. I also mentioned multiple times throughout the day that if Chris flips town or if Zam/Prof/Corrik flip town then I will have to reanalyze everything since I obviously got it wrong.

If there's no way Chris could still be scum (not sure how janitoring or "disappearing" works in this game) then pretty much everything I said day 1 is wrong and will be thrown out.
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_foolmo_
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I am also wondering what Corrik is gonna do with all that "Chris is Scum 2020" merchandise
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_foolmo_
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RogueNoble posted...

You think MI votes to kill his roleblocker instead of a town Chris there? He could have easily changed the way D1 turned out. It was only 8-6

Yes. He has played forum mafia a lot from what I know and he knows Chris wouldn't have died in that situation. Look at how Han acted at the end of the day, with this sense of obvious. Several other players would've done the same if it came down to it. If it was any other player than Chris I would agree with you, but ultimately we need an explanation for why MI spent so long on Chris, jumped off, and then floundered before landing on Prof.
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_foolmo_
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Actually gonna catch up now

I am agreeing with the sentiment that Zam is town despite really feeling him as scum yesterday, BUT I think that's too easy and we shouldn't let him off the hook like that.

I agree with pretty much everything Scare is saying, including that Shad and Han feel scummy and also including that I feel suspicious because of bad play.

I agree FD's post softly defending Prof was weird.

I don't feel Turbo is scummy at all so I want to see elaboration on that front by MI and Leo.

Highly agree that Nana needs to show up today. Also Donk who feels like a noob scum idling cuz scum told him not to screw anything up. (I see Nana posted at 201, cool). (Donk's post is meh but it feels towny I guess).

turbopuns2 posted...

-First third and possibly the very tail end of the prof lynch (shad/newdonker/death/Han)

I don't know the exact timing of when certain groups of votes fell so those cutoffs could blur some but it's a good jumping off point.

Why only mention Han as part of the tail end of Prof? The timing cutoffs are important on the Prof lynch because I specifically remember MI floundering at the end of the day when Chris and Prof were tied (after he got off Chris, and earlier was on Prof), wondering where he should vote. It was really damn obvious that he should've gone back on Prof, but maybe he thought the Chris vote had potential? That indecisiveness in particular is what makes me very wary of MI.

ScareChan posted...

By the way if eaed is scumhe is probably the janitor, the way he was non existant yesterday now is coming right to the front of things

This is consistent with how he played D1 though. He really did make some detailed posts up front and then disappeared.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If i was protecting Deadpool in that spot i could have easily left myself room to find and excuse to vote for Chris.

This is a pretty weak defense because you did leave yourself open and eager to voting for Chris, if the opportunity presented itself. But by the time that happened, Prof was already pretty well established as a solid lynch target.

You could've joined me on the Chris push, which would've been fine if you were town since it would've just been a bad town read. But if you know Chris was town and Prof was scum, you wouldn't want to jump on town for fear of bringing attention to yourself, NOR would you want to jump on your scumbud and help him get lynched. Your only viable option was to stick with your useless Zam vote.

The other Zam voters (DYL, Red) never claimed to be anti-Prof (or anti-Chris). So it made sense for them to stay on Zam. Unless I am wrong about that? DYL/Red? Either way, definitely feeling worse about FD now.
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ScareChan posted...

fool why did you claim doc

joke
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_foolmo_
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That being said, the plurality style voting kinda ruins that scumtell so it could easily be Han too *shrug*
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Crescent-Moon posted...

I think the order you're referring to was Chris/Alakazam/Deadpool/Corrik.

Yes and the Chris/Corrik relation was very much based on them both being scum. If they aren't both scum (we don't know if Chris was or not?) then I am pretty warm on Corrik right now.

Also before I leave I'll drop this:
##Vote: My Immortal


I mentioned my top 3 day 1 scumtells yesterday but I have a secret 4th scumtell (or rather it's my 1st scumtell cuz it has by far the highest success rate): the 2nd-to-last voter on an obvious scumtrain. I mentioned last day how weird MI was acting, and I feel way worse about him now after all these reveals.
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_foolmo_
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Oh disappeared is janitoring I assume

Also I mightttt drink with friends tonight instead so maybe catch up later
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_foolmo_
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1. What is lawyer?

2. What does disappeared mean?

3. I'm fine with being not liked (have only read up to #150), but it shouldn't be because I was railing against Chris and not Prof since I was very obviously going against Prof

ScareChan posted...

Was thurough to start day and read the host posts, but then is 'surprised' that day will end in a lynch

I thoroughly read the flavorish parts of the host posts since I almost never play with flavor. Why would I care to read about how lynching works when I have been playing this game for over a decade?

Still, I'm very confused about all the flavor today so I want to know more about wtf happened while I catch up
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_foolmo_
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Breitbart and Reddit were all about the deep state back then, what are you talking about? Do you mean the Jews or something? Just say what you want, this isn't your gf's mom's house.

"Deep state" is just what Trumpers started calling everything that's not the federal executive branch (or even anything that's not Trump himself) to excuse why literally 100% of his policies are failures. It looks like there's a classical definition that refers to the military and financial complex but no one uses that anymore (especially since it would include Trump as one of the top members).
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Well, I might not be playing those games. I'm guessing this is maybe Dark Souls logic speaking? When I think of a slow weapon, I think of weapons with a significant windup that leaves you vulnerable.

It's risky but if you get good at timings, you can land a strong slow attack before needing to dodge. That's what makes it good in Souls but it also applies to most games with slow attacks.
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_foolmo_
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They just took a spy show and called it deep state?

Since when was the deep state a conspiracy theory?
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_foolmo_
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MGS3
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fast > slow but the souls series has me changing my mind on that recently
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redrocket posted...

What's getting lost in the blame war is that it's an abhorrent policy that needs to end regardless who's fault it was originally.

Not really. Only Muffin etc were defending it when they thought it was a Trump policy.
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SmartMuffin posted...

more: https://twitter.com/Travesham/status/1001082641821634561

They're not wrong. It's Trump's and Obama's and Clinton's etc
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_foolmo_
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It's just a neocon, like a left-libertarian is just a libertarian

The insulter doesn't have the balls to make a 100% blatantly wrong accusation so they just compromise with a 50% wrong one
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_foolmo_
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-blames-democrats-border-policy-separating-immigrant-children/story?id=55469714

Why not "Trump generously gives credit for important national security policy to Democracts"
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_foolmo_
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im doc
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_foolmo_
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If Chris is town and Prof is scum then scum team's entire goal right now is to make Chris look as scummy as possible

They're not really doing that at all, just letting Prof die
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My Immortal posted...

##Vote: deadpool

I feel like this is a vote I'll regret post game but I gotta go with my gut and not go for the swinging for the fences.

Side note I have a secret 4th scumtell (it's actually 1st cuz it is by far the most accurate) and this vote triggers it hardcore
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_foolmo_
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profDEADPOOL posted...

Still think Zam is scum and Chris is town but the time to save my own ass has come.

jesus christ man why would you say this and THEN vote Chris
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My Immortal posted...

I don't think Chris is scum but god damn the thought of lynching scum Chris D1 is delicious.

Let's do it then
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Shaduln posted...

I still can't understand foolmo saying eaed was helpful.

When I wrote that sentence he was *shrug*
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Arti posted...

I don't really agree with this statement. How is getting all the information from everyone greatly helping scum? They already have a lot of information. Town needs the information more than scum

Are you kidding? Scum is obviously trying to find out town roles all through day 1. It requires much less info for town to detect scum than for scum to find the roles. So trying to dig too much can definitely help scum much more. I myself have realized I poked some things a bit too much earlier and I have since tried to back off.
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ScareChan posted...

I have been feeling fool is scum more and more

Because I have a different idea of what "engaged" means than Corrik? I don't know how quiet your scum play is, but I wouldn't call your play now very engaged. I think you're pretty solidly town so whatever.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Like I don't get it, man. What do I gain for town by being like "okay time to vote deadpool now' when I had other things I wanted to discuss? I don't play for your approval man.

It's not that, it's the defense of him. I get trying to get info from other players and get better reads. But you realize that also greatly helps scum.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

*Looks at the last 3 hours*

Really???

It's weak man. You're tied for the top and you haven't really done much about it other than switching to Prof (FINALLY, after much hand wringing).
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_foolmo_
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Han Leo and Red are on symbolic votes right now

Why? Are you gonna stay undecided in the Prof/Chris thing? What are you thoughts on Prof/Chris? Would you care if either of them died??
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_foolmo_
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did VI confirm that we're cornering scum?
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Go back to your sports kid
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Oh FINE.

He has no consistency in his read list. Where A + B should = C, he is just saying things. There should be no world where a town Deadpool has the spine to challenge town chris and town corrik (in his world view he stated) on a lynch (alakazam) but for his reads list to be pure he would have to think his read on alakazam is worth more than me and corrik, which is divorced from reality.

I also thought his town read on crecsent was weak as fuck.

Cool thx bb
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_foolmo_
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I should eat...
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Shaduln posted...

Yeah but saying someone is voting their counter lynch is scummy is dumb.

Yes Corrik is dumb, won't argue that

I just wanted to piggy back off that by pointing out there genuine scumminess in Chris' vote
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_foolmo_
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Chris doesn't care about town winning. That's it.
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_foolmo_
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I addressed that in my post so answer my question
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Shaduln posted...

How does that make him scum? This is a terrible call to vote Chris.

He says it's because he thinks Prof is scum, but all his actions are protective of Prof. The last thing he said was in 3.117 and it was about Prof's ONE post back in the first topic. I realize Prof has high votes already, but when your life is on the life, make a god damn argument against the guy you're trying to kill.

Chris do you find anything scummy with Prof's latest posts? Especially his top 3 lists? Like come on
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Corrik posted...

He is only voting Deadpool to save himself

This

I can't believe there's a plurality lynch on forum mafia... I guess it makes sense based on the idlers
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