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Topic12 Rules for Life by Jordan B Peterson comes out tomorrow, who's getting it?
Antifar
01/26/18 12:02:59 PM
#273
Romes187 posted...
Can you elaborate? I really like the chaos / order metaphor for masculine and feminine.


Chaos, the eternal feminine, is also the crushing force of sexual selection. Women are choosy maters. Most men do not meet female human standards.


Remove the metaphor, and what is this? It's a foreveralone post about how "80% of women only want 20% of men."
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Topic12 Rules for Life by Jordan B Peterson comes out tomorrow, who's getting it?
Antifar
01/26/18 12:00:51 PM
#272
Romes187 posted...
You might be looking at it the wrong way. I'm an atheist and to me, there is no doubt that religion has caused a ridiculous amount of destruction

But it also built our great cities, much of our current social structure, and Neitzche brought up a decent idea about the structural integrity of religious thought (in Catholicism) actually leading to the scientific revolution. You can't just look at the bad, and you can't just look at the good. That's why we have to "rescue our father from the whale"...bring our culture up to date. Because there IS some good.


It's not about religion, in my view; it's that this idea that our barbarism was tamed up until ~1880 is at odds with all the barbarism that happened. Religion absolutely had positive impacts, but if you're gonna give it credit for (as Brooks puts Peterson's view) "restraining the human tendency towards barbarism," it would help your argument if barbarism had actually been restrained.
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TopicHow many goddamn Kennedys are there?
Antifar
01/26/18 11:53:40 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Joe Kennedy: "Government gonna give you free healthcare."

Joe Kennedy does not support that, though. He doesn't even want legal pot.
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Topic12 Rules for Life by Jordan B Peterson comes out tomorrow, who's getting it?
Antifar
01/26/18 11:50:50 AM
#268
I wanted to click out of this once I saw David fucking Brooks was the author, but...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/opinion/jordan-peterson-moment.html
For much of Western history, he argues, Christianity restrained the human tendency toward barbarism. But God died in the 19th century, and Christian dogma and discipline died with him. That gave us the age of ideology, the age of fascism and communism and with it, Auschwitz, Dachau and the gulag.


This here: super bullshit. It only works if you ignore pre-Neitzche atrocities like wiping out Native Americans or the existence of slavery or pogroms (in other words, if you ignore anyone non-white), or if for some reason you exclude these things from your definition of barbarism. It's possible Brooks is oversimplifying Peterson's views here, but this overview doesn't pass the smell test.

All of life is perched, Peterson continues, on the point between order and chaos. Chaos is the realm without norms and rules. Chaos, he writes, is the impenetrable darkness of a cave and the accident by the side of the road. Its the mother grizzly, all compassion to her cubs, who marks you as potential predator and tears you to pieces. Chaos, the eternal feminine, is also the crushing force of sexual selection. Women are choosy maters. Most men do not meet female human standards.


This is just the fancy version of the Chad shit.

Much of Petersons advice sounds to me like vague exhortatory banality. Like Hobbes and Nietzsche before him, he seems to imagine an overly brutalistic universe, nearly without benevolence, beauty, attachment and love. His recipe for self-improvement is solitary, nonrelational, unemotional. Id say the lives of young men can be improved more through loving attachment than through Petersons joyless and graceless calls to self-sacrifice.


jfc, when David Brooks is calling you banal...
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TopicHow many goddamn Kennedys are there?
Antifar
01/26/18 11:20:47 AM
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/370822-rep-joe-kennedy-iii-to-deliver-democrats-state-of-the-union

Rep. Joe Kennedy (D-Mass.) has been selected to deliver the Democratic Party's response to President Trump's State of the Union address on Tuesday night, party leaders announced.

Kennedy, the great-nephew of former President John F. Kennedy, is a 37-year-old rising star in the Democratic Party and is currently serving his third term as a Massachusetts congressman.

Congressman Kennedy is a relentless fighter for working Americans, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in a statement.

While President Trump has consistently broken his promises to the middle class, Congressman Kennedy profoundly understands the challenges facing hard-working men and women across the country," she added.

"His leadership has been vital in educating a next-generation workforce, in creating good-paying manufacturing jobs and in expanding opportunities for the middle class.

Democrats also announced that Virginia state Del. Elizabeth Guzman (D) would deliver the party's Spanish-language response. Guzman is the first Hispanic female immigrant elected to the Virginia House of Delegates.

Pelosi called Guzman "a respected advocate and community leader who represents the best of our nations ideals."

"Driven by her faith and her belief in the promise of the American Dream, Elizabeth has been a vital, relentless leader for the voiceless," Pelosi said.

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TopicSJWs are ruining superheroes
Antifar
01/26/18 11:10:00 AM
#13
Darkman124 posted...
while true, i think the milquetoast patriotism in older comics was fairly covert

It's not just patriotism, though. The X-Men are a thinly veiled allegory for the civil rights movement, for example. Tony Stark was explicitly created as pushback against anti-war, anti-capitalist sentiments in the 60s.
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TopicChoose who you will be fucking hard tonight: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7]
Antifar
01/26/18 11:03:16 AM
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V-E-G-Y- posted...
Fuck off ce

okay
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TopicHannity: TRUMP NEVER TRIED TO FIRE MUELLER. *moments later* So what if he did?
Antifar
01/26/18 11:00:29 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Is this the memo? the texts? some brand new bit of republican tripe?

Nancy Pelosi once joked in an e-mail that she had "a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you" and people are trying to find out which NYC bridge she owns.
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TopicDemocrats paid a huge price for letting unions die
Antifar
01/26/18 10:50:54 AM
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/democrats-paid-a-huge-price-for-letting-unions-die.html

The GOP understands how important labor unions are to the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party, historically, has not. If you want a two-sentence explanation for why the Midwest is turning red (and thus, why Donald Trump is president), you could do worse than that.

With its financial contributions and grassroots organizing, the labor movement helped give Democrats full control of the federal government three times in the last four decades. And all three of those times under Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama Democrats failed to pass labor law reforms that would to bolster the union cause. In hindsight, its clear that the Democratic Party didnt merely betray organized labor with these failures, but also, itself.
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Democrats could have increased the penalties for violating labor law, enabled unions to circumvent the election process if a majority of workers signed union cards (a.k.a. card check), and required employers to enter arbitration with unions if no contract was reached within 120 days of their formation as Barack Obama promised the labor movement they would, in 2008.

Or, if they were feeling a bit more radical, they could have repealed the part of the Taft-Hartley Act that allows conservatives states to pass right to work laws. Such laws undermine organized labor by allowing workers who join a unionized workplace to enjoy the benefits of a collective bargaining agreement without paying dues to the union that negotiated it. This encourages other workers to skirt their dues, which can then drain a union of the funds it needs to survive.

And that has the effect of draining the Democratic Party of the funds and grassroots organizing that it needs to thrive. As Sean McElwee writes for The Nation:

In a new study that will soon be released as a National Bureau of Economic Research working paper, James Feigenbaum of Boston University, Alexander Hertel-Fernandez of Columbia, and Vanessa Williamson of the Brookings Institution examined the long-term political consequences of anti-union legislation by comparing counties straddling a state line where one state is right-to-work and another is not. Their findings should strike terror into the hearts of Democratic Party strategists: Right-to-work laws decreased Democratic presidential vote share by 3.5 percent.

The study found that impacts persist in down-ballot races, and have given Republicans more power in the Senate, House, and governors mansions, as well as in state legislatures. This leads to a vicious cycle wherein the GOP can use that power to further suppress votes, gut union rights, and gerrymander legislaturesin other words, embark on a fundamental retooling of American political mechanics.

The decimation of the blue wall in 2016 may have been driven by Trumps unique candidacy, but right-to-work laws had been weakening the foundation for years. In 2014, Republican Governor Rick Snyders narrow victory against Democratic opponent Mark Schauer may well have gone in a different direction were it not for the states 2012 right-to-work law. Its not impossible to imagine that progressive Senate candidate Russ Feingold would have beaten Tea Partybacked incumbent Ron Johnson in 2016 if only Wisconsin private- and public-sector unions had not been completely gutted. The effect of right-to-work laws, according to this research, are large enough that it could have easily cost Hillary Clinton Wisconsin and Michigantwo states that went right-to-work before the 2016 elections.

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TopicHannity: TRUMP NEVER TRIED TO FIRE MUELLER. *moments later* So what if he did?
Antifar
01/26/18 10:42:53 AM
#12
The new talking point of "he didn't go through with it once his lawyer refused, so it's not bad" is wild.
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TopicSJWs are ruining superheroes
Antifar
01/26/18 10:39:52 AM
#3
Ah, if only we could go back to the days when comics were absolutely free from politics, which was, uh *checks notes* never.
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TopicDaily reminder that "Fly" was a good episode
Antifar
01/25/18 10:57:10 PM
#14
Fly was great
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Topichow is "My body. My rules" a valid argument for abortion?
Antifar
01/25/18 10:41:07 PM
#27
This is my favorite genre of shit

Person A: "If X were true, then that would mean Y!"
Everyone: "Yeah, we're pretty much fine with Y. That is...not a problem for us."
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Topichow is "My body. My rules" a valid argument for abortion?
Antifar
01/25/18 10:35:22 PM
#21
averagejoel posted...
admittedly I haven't done much reading about suicide, but I'm certainly open to the idea of it being legal - legality definitely doesn't seem to be a very good deterrent

As I understand it, it's not intended as a deterrent but rather a justification for legal intervention.
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TopicWhat game(s) would you call a masterpiece?
Antifar
01/25/18 10:32:20 PM
#6
Tetris
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Topicwhy is it that Hollywood spends 200-300 million dollars to constantly make shit
Antifar
01/25/18 10:25:45 PM
#15
Raikuro posted...
Increased budget tends to make them need to get the widest audience possible and appeal to the lowest common denominator worldwide.

Ding ding ding. The budget is why it sucks. The Oscars are not the greatest judge of qualify, but to use them as an example: the most expensive Best Picture winner this decade was Argo, which was $44 million.
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TopicTrumps immigration proposal: 1.8 million dreamers for the Wall.
Antifar
01/25/18 10:22:30 PM
#53
Just to give an idea of where the window has shifted on this issue: five years ago the Senate voted for a path to citizenship for every undocumented immigrant in the country.
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TopicJeb in 2015: "You can't insult your way to the Presidency, Donald"
Antifar
01/25/18 8:53:41 PM
#3
The first Bush to be wrong about something in history.
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TopicTrump Ordered Mueller Fired back in June
Antifar
01/25/18 8:47:48 PM
#18
CNN: Trump tried to fire Mueller
MSNBC: Trump tried to fire Mueller
Fox News: Heres a photo of Obama and Farrakhan from 2005 https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/956704273596854272/photo/1
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TopicBernie (will be 78 yr old) considering to run again in 2020
Antifar
01/25/18 8:22:35 PM
#21
I'm in the Sanders is too old camp, myself.
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TopicBernie (will be 78 yr old) considering to run again in 2020
Antifar
01/25/18 8:19:39 PM
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zH0mPfR posted...
Antifar posted...
Newhopes posted...
I think to many see him as a sell out after the last election.

He's the most popular politician in the country at the moment.


He literally endorsed Hillary, got a second vacation home, and his wife is under investigation by the Feds.


There are like a half-dozen people who are still upset he endorsed Hillary, and the home was bought with money his wife inherited from dead relatives.
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TopicBernie (will be 78 yr old) considering to run again in 2020
Antifar
01/25/18 8:01:04 PM
#9
Newhopes posted...
I think to many see him as a sell out after the last election.

He's the most popular politician in the country at the moment.
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TopicTrumps immigration proposal: 1.8 million dreamers for the Wall.
Antifar
01/25/18 7:55:57 PM
#12
BuzzyTheCat posted...
In the US that means social security benefits and welfare

Note: it doesn't.
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TopicTrumps immigration proposal: 1.8 million dreamers for the Wall.
Antifar
01/25/18 7:54:48 PM
#10
This would cut legal immigration by like 50 percent.
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TopicGot kicked out of a bar for playing a song that had the f-word on the jukebox
Antifar
01/25/18 6:53:16 PM
#12
The move whenever there's a jukebox is to play The Boys are Back in Town on repeat
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TopicChelsea Manning caught partying with alt-right fascists
Antifar
01/25/18 6:27:19 PM
#82
Like 90% of conservative conspiracy theories stem from not understanding jokes
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TopicDude Mario wall jumps up to the second floor
Antifar
01/25/18 5:55:13 PM
#3
My knees hurt watching that first attempt
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TopicPhilly safe injection sites.
Antifar
01/25/18 5:19:10 PM
#5
Was just reading about this elsewhere
https://injusticetoday.com/philadelphia-to-make-history-with-nations-first-supervised-injection-facility-7d7d7b7946ef
This represents a shift for the city, which last summer shut down a secluded camp situated beside a stretch of railroad tracks in North Philadelphia known as El Campamento. Hundreds of IV drug users found temporary sanctuary at the camp, which was supplied with a steady stream of clean syringes and doses of the overdose-reversal drug naloxone by harm reduction groups from as far away as New York. The camp, which had evolved organically and was being maintained exclusively by drug users, experienced just 17 overdoses over a 12-month period, according to the medical examiners office, compared to more than 900 citywide.
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City officials evolved on the SIF issue after a November trip to North Americas first supervised injection facility, InSite, in Vancouver, Canada. Research shows that the introduction of supervised injection there in 2003 led to a 35% decrease in overdose fatalities in the city. It also improved overall health outcomes for IV drug users, and led to an increase in addicts entering treatment.

A Philadelphia study commissioned by the Kenney administration released this week found that CUES could save the city up to $100 million a year in healthcare costs and fatalities.

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TopicCA proposes bill that would impose a $1,000 fine or jail for plastic straw use
Antifar
01/25/18 5:10:35 PM
#94
lightwarrior78 posted...
Point out there's a cost savings in not offering straws (or other incidental items) to people that don't want them and watch money grubbing businesses do it of their own free will without getting the law involved.

This suggests these businesses aren't smart enough to realize this currently. I don't buy that.
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TopicLiberals and Democrats: We support the Trump International Wall now.
Antifar
01/25/18 4:59:29 PM
#35
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Fuck it, let em build the wall. Maybe we'll get some good Banksy art out of it or something. lol

'We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall. Go home.'

-Palestinian elder man to Banksy

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TopicCA proposes bill that would impose a $1,000 fine or jail for plastic straw use
Antifar
01/25/18 4:54:24 PM
#89
C7D posted...

Im sorry sir, but our restaurant had to stop ordering straws last month when we got a $1,000 fine because one of our servers forgot. Lets not pretend that there is any other expected outcome.

The bill hasn't even been passed
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TopicWhat's the best 2D platformer of this decade?
Antifar
01/25/18 4:52:29 PM
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To me, Mega Man's shooting aspects separate it from the jumping focus of the games listed ITT
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TopicDo you like averagejoel?
Antifar
01/25/18 4:50:28 PM
#75
Oh man, he can't be pleased about being called a liberal here.

I voted yes.
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TopicLiberals and Democrats: We support the Trump International Wall now.
Antifar
01/25/18 4:49:21 PM
#23
Alex Jones is wrong here when he talks about leftists, but Democrats have shown a willingness to accede to the wall in recent weeks
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TopicWhat's the best 2D platformer of this decade?
Antifar
01/25/18 4:17:36 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Rayman Legends and Cuphead are tied.

Isn't Cuphead more of a Mega Man game?
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TopicWhat's the best 2D platformer of this decade?
Antifar
01/25/18 4:13:01 PM
#2
My vote went to Sonic Mania, but full disclosure I've only played that and Rayman of these options
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TopicOprah: I don't have what it takes to run for president.
Antifar
01/25/18 4:11:56 PM
#2
I'm glad she recognizes it.
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TopicMan, people hate diet soda
Antifar
01/25/18 4:11:27 PM
#15
s0nicfan posted...
It's one of the reasons why so many habitual diet soda drinkers are still fat.

*thinking emoji*
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TopicMan, people hate diet soda
Antifar
01/25/18 4:05:12 PM
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TopicWhat's the best 2D platformer of this decade?
Antifar
01/25/18 4:01:17 PM
#1
Which of these is your favorite?








It's been a really good decade for the genre IMO, after it had faded in the early 3D rush of the 90s and 00s.

I have almost definitely forgotten a game you think is great with these poll options. For that, I apologize.
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TopicSatanic temple beats Missourri in showdown over abortion rights
Antifar
01/25/18 3:31:00 PM
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http://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/satanic-temple-beats-missouri-in-showdown-over-abortion-rights/63-511231989

On Wednesday, Missouris Solicitor General D. John Sauer declared ultrasounds are not required to obtain an abortion in Missouri, according to a press release from the Satanic Temple.

The move comes after a showdown in the Missouri Supreme Court after a group called the Satanic Temple fought the states abortion restrictions on behalf of an anonymous woman.

Their attorney argued the imposition of an ultrasound and the opportunity to hear the fetal heartbeat were both medically unnecessary and a violation of her personal religious beliefs.

The attorney asked judges to block the states mandatory three-day waiting period for abortions and a requirement that doctors giving abortions also give women a handout that says the life of each human being begins at conception.

The issue arose during oral arguments in the Satanic Temples lawsuit, which argues the State interference with the ability for its anonymous member to terminate her pregnancy violates her rights under Missouris Religious Freedom Restoration Act because that interference has no medical or other compelling purpose.

The lawsuit also said Missouri regulations violate the First Amendment rights of the Satanic Temples members.

According to a press release from the Satanic Temple, in an audio recording of the arguments published by the court, Justices of the court asked the States representative if, its the position of the State that an ultrasound does not have to be conducted unless a person says they want the opportunity to hear the fetal heartbeat.

Missouris Solicitor General Sauer affirms that the States interpretation of statute (MO Rev Stat 188.027) is that women only be offered the opportunity, to have an ultrasound and listen to the fetal heartbeat, and if a woman declines hearing the audio, the ultrasound need not be performed and the requirement has been satisfied.


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TopicCrash course on why clickbait is toxic
Antifar
01/25/18 3:18:47 PM
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This poster said clickbait was bad

you won't believe why!
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TopicWestern communists - what's their end game?
Antifar
01/25/18 3:15:53 PM
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Fully automated luxury gay space communism.
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TopicCA proposes bill that would impose a $1,000 fine or jail for plastic straw use
Antifar
01/25/18 3:11:07 PM
#60
Questionmarktarius posted...
Butterfiles posted...
real talk tho people who drink water with a straw need to be publicly shamed

Too bad
http://www.thisisfriendship.com/work/worlds-longest-crazy-straw/

Jesus Christ you'd be sucking so much air with that
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Topicwill we ever run out of phone numbers?
Antifar
01/25/18 3:08:25 PM
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Yeah I'm pretty sure NY has a 917 area code. Raleigh is 919
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Topicwill we ever run out of phone numbers?
Antifar
01/25/18 3:06:24 PM
#5
There are slightly fewer than 10 billion possible combinations. We're good for now.
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TopicCA proposes bill that would impose a $1,000 fine or jail for plastic straw use
Antifar
01/25/18 3:01:49 PM
#47
s0nicfan posted...
"Would you like lemon with that water?"

I hate when restaurants give lemon by default, tbh
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TopicCA proposes bill that would impose a $1,000 fine or jail for plastic straw use
Antifar
01/25/18 2:58:45 PM
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Requiring customers to opt in seems like a reasonable compromise here.
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TopicOdd hypothetical. if the power of every Nintendo handheld ever produced was
Antifar
01/25/18 2:56:44 PM
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Hypothetically speaking
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Topic"Trump's policies leave us more alone than ever."
Antifar
01/25/18 2:46:44 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Then why did you think the random opinion of someone published to WaPo merited its own topic on CE as if it was an actual article?

You write this as if news items are the only source of topics on this message board. People post topics based on opinions all the time; I thought this one was well reasoned and offered perspective you don't see often, in that it takes Trump's campaign and inauguration promises of unity and cohesion at their word.
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