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Dunno why, but the leader of of The Hateocracy from the Boondocks and his flying guillotine.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

How is this a good point?

Racist white dudes shaming black dudes for affirmative action (even though white women are the biggest beneficiaries of it) is not an argument against Affirmative Action.

White guys certainly don't have to feel bad when their familial connections get them into Harvard or Princeton

The video also brings up the issue of white and asian students missing out because if a schools population has enough of them, they arent included in the affirmative action.

I havent researched to see if its bullshit, but Xavier in the video also mentioned that black students who enter with aid of affirmative action also are ill prepared and perform poorly more than other demographics. Jubilee put a little statistic on the screen so the idea comes from somewhere.

Its also brought up that optically, having affirmative action is a hard thing to get the population behind in current day, if that even matters (doesnt to me, but its a point nonetheless).

I do feel like if Chandler and Alec fucked off, the video did have interesting discussion tbh.

Unfortunately, TC did a shit job of presenting the video. At least post the prompts.

Guide posted...

That weave mechanic seems OP. Like I assume the counter will be to predict and grab, but grab whiffs are usually free openings.

She dodges Kings grab in the trailer.

Its more likely she has to guess high/mid or low and use the corresponding dodge. If you know her animations, it should be easy to best.

Dunno what else to tell you. Keep speaking for black people like you tried doing in this topic. You do not speak for me.

Agree to disagree.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

1) "Conservative" and "liberal" are not your only options
2) Conservatives are the ones who perpetuate these ideas and create laws that allow this to happen.

And nice whataboutism, I don't give a fuck about some 19 year old liberal arts student being accidentally racist and patronizing, I care about systemic racism that actually affects people's lives.

The whataboutism is the point of the topic. What option is there, realistically, besides voting liberally vs voting conservatively on issues?

And I dont know of any laws that perpetuate your white audience speaking against you for calling out racism. Or any of your other irrelevant examples. The only one you named that is a cause of conservatives is erasing history.

We deal with that shit because we have people in power who create these conditions. You cannot be this fucking clueless, "black man".

Your examples are not examples of the issues conservatives create.

And again, you view black people as if they cant have different views. A lot of the black community isnt even for the lgbt movement that much. Which is a huge liberal talking point. If a black person also has wealth, they may be drawn to the economic policies of conservatives.

If the same black person doesnt give a shit about the environment or immigration, what possible reason would they have to align with liberals if they dont feel at a systemic disadvantage? They will immediately cite immigrants who are successful or black Americans people who are successful.

You repeating Thats not in your best interest! is extremely stupid.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

When your white audience decides to turn against you for speaking out against racism
When you have to deal with the cops
When the racist ass Karen at Wal-Mart accuses you of stealing because of your skin color
When Republican politicians vote to eliminate black history from schools
When you get denied on an application for a home because they "don't want to bring the property values down"

Just to name a few examples

How the fuck does any of that change by being liberal? The arts is pretty liberal and I hear of plenty of white gatekeeping and subtle racism.

You think liberals arent racist? Dont think negative stereotypes on black people?

The question isnt does being conservative make racism go away. The question is do liberals make my life easier or conservatives.

Were gonna deal with shit either way. For a lot of black people, they care about what affects them.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Except they are. Because on one hand, you have black conservatives who aren't rich shilling for the rich, and on the other hand you have black folks WHO are rich and think their wealth will override their blackness when shit hits the fan.

Define shit hits the fan.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Me, a black leftist, watching white conservatives argue with white liberals about how it's racist to call black conservatives stupid for voting against their best interests while ignoring all of the black folk in this thread who actually agree.

You act like people have their race next to their username.

So all the black folk isnt possible to identify. Because Im black and I do think its racist to specifically say black conservatives are dumb for voting against their interests.

Because a rich black person will benefit from conservatives more than liberals. So no, a black conservative will not by default be voting against their interests.

This is Joe If you dont vote for me you aint black Biden levels of silly.

KI_Simpson posted...

If conservatives are tricking people into thinking something that isn't true while their actual policies cause the opposite, that is just further proof that conservative voters are voting against their interests. And note that I said conservative voters, not black conservative voters, everyone needs to stop letting this be framed as whether black people specifically are harming themselves by being conservatives. That is pushing a false narrative that white conservatives are behaving rationally and downplaying the many valid reasons for saying that being conservative is bad.

This I can get behind.

CyricZ posted...

Accomplish what?

Being successful or happy. Be it going to school, getting a good career, whatever. Conservatives, even if its not completely true, wont say You are at a disadvantage by being a minority.

Conservatives say if you apply yourself and work hard, you can be successful

That message is immensely more palatable to to individuals who dont feel at a disadvantage.

Xavier, one of the conservatives in the video, stated that he worked hard to get into an esteemed college. And one of his peers claimed Xavier could have put a smiley face on his application and be accepted because he was black. This made Xavier begin to doubt if he actually got into the school on his own merits versus affirmative action. This type of problem arises a lot when it comes to liberal talking points.

The video touches on how its a socioeconomic disparity more than a racial one in current day. Obviously racial injustice is directly linked to the disparity, but its a subject matter that if not treated with nuance, youll get people like Xavier who start to feel like they arent being rewarded for the effort and work they put in to life. No one likes feeling babied.

As one example linking to the video.

And I have to disclaim, Im not saying conservatives actually implement policies that support their claims. But are much better at selling the idea.

Nirvanas_Nox posted...

Why? There was almost no context for it and I have better things to do then watch a 45 minute video.

Then why post anything?

Why go out of your way to post ignorant shit just because you dont want to watch a video?

I dont understand the stance of acting too busy to watch a video while simultaneously acting condescending about the ideals people in the video express.

Black conservatives are just voting against their best interests

Huh? Do yall really think like this lmao?

Destiny in the video made a sharp point about how conservatives at least make you feel like you can accomplish something while liberals are too busy saying the world is against you.

Yall are just like Alec. No emotional discernment. Aliya and Xavier were two reasonable and logical conservatives in the video. Renee, granted, said she was conservative for economic reasons.

tl;dr

If you dont want to watch the video, dont give your ignorant opinion. Please.

Also, being conservative is broad. Aliya, for example, did not support Trump despite claiming to be conservative.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

What if they're against abortion but won't get in the way of other people getting one?

This is pro-choice.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

Do people not realize how racist it is to imply a black person can't be a conservative lol

Do they not realize how many different issues go into these things ?

What if a black person was extremely pro-life for example? Or against illegal immigration or hated "socialism"? I dont know. They are not allowed to vote conservative?

CE doesnt care. They are a bunch of Alecs for the most part.

Nevermind that for a typical person, nobody really cares about the issues cited often times. Plenty of the black community do not feel discriminated against by conservatism nor do they want pity.

Everyone in the video explained they grew up opposite of their current beliefs.

But CE, generally, doesnt care. Theyd rather just say Who knows why they do it instead of watching a video with people describing why.

Its super weird how they have a total lack of awareness.

Nirvanas_Nox posted...

I've never understood why. Or why there's log cabin Republicans. Nothing conservatism does benefits either

Theres 3 in the video you didnt watch that explain why.

The only two I sing on occasion are Cant wait to be king and Hakuna Mutata.

Be Prepared is overrated af. Imo.

NoxObscuras posted...

God no. That would be extremely awkward for me. But I know some people are very close to their parents and talk to them about any and everything

This is my opinion.

I wonder if its a gender thing?

I am curious if this is common or not. My gf and I are going on a trip soon, and she was telling me how she told her mom that she would be having a ton of sex. And more details Ill leave out.

Is it normal to talk to your parents about your sex life?

A_Good_Boy posted...

Pretty much, yes. Which is why it's so weird his supporters decry his innocence so hard even though his sexual exploitation of women and how he used them to generate wealth is what attracted them to him in the first place. Andrew Tate wasn't trying to hide any of this stuff. He was constantly bragging about it.

Andrews followers hate women.

So obviously they wont realize this isnt humane. So long as they arent chained to a basement pipe, they will claim they just loved Andrew and were too stupid to leave.

mehmeh1 posted...

Speaking of, Crossing the Line from Tangled the Series is basically angry Let it Go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaHBg8E1o00&pp=ygURY3Jvc3NpbmcgdGhlIGxpbmU%3D

I always love an antagonist that is born from the protagonist being overly idealistic and ignoring the grievances of others.

Its what the character in that clip sounds like. Actually looks interesting.

Tbh, the villain song in Lion King 2 was better to me.

Cynrascal posted...

Why is it so hard for folks to understand that it's not a fear of rejection. But rather, folks like me don't see any point in doing so. If they find more enjoyment doing tasks and ventures by themselves, why pretend that they want to mingle just because "other people are doing it"? It doesn't make sense to me.

You cant be afraid to ask someone out if you dont want to. So the topic isnt talking about you.

bsp77 posted...

Go back and actually read. Our first interaction was 110 where YOU responded to ME about what I said to cuttin_in_farm. Like I don't even understand how you got confused.

And I gotta agree. Bsp never used it like youre saying Torgo.

Your issue is with me.

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I mean, for someone to view themselves as low value, I presume they are mentally or emotionally compromised in some way. Its sad by default.

So doing unreasonable or illogical things isnt shocking to me, but expected. I dont view people being illogical as something that cant be accounted for. Personally. But I also dont do this for a living or frequently so maybe it would be more tiresome if done more.

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I dont think I claimed you only claimed low value doesnt exist? I always said that saying low value people dont exist at all discredits the rest of your message. That was my opinion.

I dunno what you think Im saying.

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Huh? Yes you did >_>

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You even only entertain some people are low value as a hypothetical.

Did I interpret these posts wrong?

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I did it because I had no friends and couldnt establish a desire to have ambition. I also felt like as a result, I was a bad person because I never truly cared about others. In retrospect, I was depressed in an apathetic sense.

I feel like what helped me was people pointing out what about me was valuable. I always dismissed people who claimed no one is low value..

My friends aunt specifically saying I was a good person because by default, I choose to help people and comparing me to actually bad people still stuck with me to this day.

bsp77 posted...

Yeah, I know it is redpill. But when people talk about high value vs low value men, that is what people are referring to. They might not know about redpil, but most have heard about "are you a high value man?" and that BS.

I agree with you that there are low value men if we can use a definition about morality and yes, MedeaLysistrata, people who lack the ability to be kind (not just "nice") and care are low value IMO.

Edit: I don't say I'm right and you're wrong anymore than you do. That's an odd comment. I also find common ground with people all of the time.

You coming in to say Im stubborn and to just admit I am using a definition different feels like youre saying Im wrong.

Your word choice is what gets me.

I have prescribed myself as low value growing up and that was way before this redpill nonsense. I dont think if someone says they are low value that we should even care about the redpill definition.

bsp77 posted...

Just admit you are using "low value" different than the standard nomenclature. Whether you like it or not, that term already has meaning in the dating world. You are being stubborn by not admitting/realizing that.

No, because I dont agree with you.

The standard nomenclature depends on context. You are only going by redpill stuff.

The average person doesnt even know what redpill is.

You and Gladius do this often. Tbh. Its never just a disagreement. Its were right, youre wrong.

Its weird.

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Oh we do. But I dont necessarily agree with the way we should address it.

I think claiming low value people dont exist will immediately tank your credibility. Whether your definition of value is right or not.

I kinda noticed this with you in that abortion topic. I think you have a blindspot when it comes to understanding the viewpoints of folks who may not think like you, and how they may receive information. As a result, I worry your ability to persuade is hindered.

But its only my opinion.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

fyi i'm not even talking about getting into relationships. i just mean in general. it's not a good look to go around saying people are low value because they are not kind or caring. no one owes you kindness or care.

Its also unfair to anyone with abusive or neglectful parents/SOs to claim well, everyone has value!

MedeaLysistrata posted...

because saying some people have no value or low value is extremely offensive to... people in general? do you fail to see that? and i'm the one being hostile? lol

I disagree. Some people are low value.

I havent even called anyone low value. I just said they exist.

Again, I would never call someone low value. Because to actually be low value means youre a bad person. And I wouldnt try correcting them.

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I just want to clarify because maybe Im not clear.

I dont think being low value limits your ability to find partners or companionship. Low value folks find people. People with value can be alone.

I think being unwilling to admit that low value people exist will make you not credible to someone who views themself as low value. The individual has the thought for a reason. I think pointing out what they have that is of value without claiming theres no such thing as low value is better.

And lastly, I wouldnt claim someone is low value as a reason they cant find someone. Im speaking about the context of someone self-prescribing themselves as low value. With my belief, an actually low value person will not have me trying to correct them. But someone who mistakenly thinks they are will.

Hopefully that makes sense. I feel like youre addressing points or beliefs I personally havent said.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Yeah, I bet you don't think it's productive lol.

Are confusing value tout court with personal values?

I just want to make sure you are aware that you started very antagonistically and I dunno why.

But if Im reading your question right, I think someones personal values dictate their value. At least partially.

Like, people often times say they dont have value because they arent rich or have mundane hobbies. But to me, having a caring personality and the desire to help the people you love gives you value. Your external circumstances arent relevant.

People confuse innate value with extrinsic value, imo. But the value still exists.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

I like how you typed all this garbage without actually explaining what value is beyond being a competitive wage seeker

Okay

I would say value is being a good person. I believe the average person has value in that they can probably affect someones lives positively.

You become low value when you actively harm others or act with selfish intent. If youre someone who leeches off your SO without attempting to improve your situation, Id say youre low value. Hence why I brought up deadbeats.

The issue, imo, is the tendency to address people who think they are low value mistakenly with no, everyone has value!

I dont think thats productive.

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Identifying if you have value is no different than identifying if you are a valuable applicant from a job search standpoint.

Claiming there isnt high or low value people is adjacent to just be yourself style observations.

And obviously only calling someone low value doesnt help. Dunno where that was done.

However stating that there is no such thing as low value when someone expresses they are isnt helpful imo. It comes off as privileged to the person hearing it often times.

Pointing out that to be of value is relatively easy and possibly already obtained is something I would promote more. Because there are low value people. People who abandon their family or have no ambition towards improving their lives are among them. Typically.

There are definitely low value people. We dont have to pretend.

A deadbeat is a term for a reason.

Men afraid of rejection should go speed dating.

Your concerns will immediately dissipate.

This isnt the time for jokes but

Tora_Sami posted...

As he was leaving though I told him I'll see him next time, then realized what I said then said "nevermind I won't" then made a awkward loud laugh and immidiately locked the door behind him.

This is funny.

Im glad nothing worse happened, but Im sorry it happened at all. Getting robbed is stressful enough as it is. Let alone with weapons involved.

Does it explain how the study prescribes the cynic label to the participants? It seems to be going by a good definition at the very least.

Are participants self-describing?

Yes Im too lazy to actually read it. But Im curious.

WingsOfGood posted...

Cynicism is the whole schtick of "stop trying nothing matters it won't work we have no power and never will, stop talking about it" which people post in my threads.

This is false. Thats just pessimism. Practically nihilism.

It makes me question what the studies and people in the studies define as cynicism. And how the people are qualified as one or not.

Often times whats sad about topics like these is that people like Peterson wont be given any credit for the good hes done because of how far hes fallen.

Peterson should have stayed in his lane, but now his helpful advice will forever be besmirched because hes talking like a complete Crash Bandicoot villain in chairs.

I dont understand the abrupt shift of the topic title talking about girlfriends but TC immediately shifting to girls I could have fucked.

Looks like the photo used on the character select screen of a fighting game.

Bump

ai123 posted...

No.

Just a different kind of fun. Not everyone who enjoys sex is ready for the committed relationship.

Im gonna sound lame, but maybe people shouldnt sleep with people they arent prepared to have a family with.

As if fun is enough reason to do dumb shit.

Its also weird that the implication is you can only have fun (or have more fun) sleeping around instead of finding a committed individual.

NoxObscuras posted...

I feel like you're underestimating how easy it is for some of these guys though. One of my former co-workers was hooking up with 3+ women per week through Tinder. He'd just swipe, then meet up with one of his matches. Not much time or money spent.

I do think that people are right though, to say that part of it is ego. Like, my old co-worker obviously loved having sex all the time, but he was also really arrogant.

This is fair. The dudes I talk to seem to always complain about issues so I just figure its a lot of effort.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Is playing videos games that great? You sit on your ass accomplishing nothing but lowering your standards for storytelling.

They do it because they want to and they like it. You're not existing on a higher plane of thought for not getting that.

You said this analogy to the wrong guy lol. I dont think gaming all day is worth it either.

DrizztLink posted...

Fuckin', I assume.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

The goal is to fuck chicks

Sure, but its at the cost of an immense amount of time and money. The only other habit that has a similar time costs is drugs. And like drugs, youre not producing any benefit or skill.

Why is fucking women such a goal for so many dudes. To the point that a lot of them cant even befriend women unless theyre ugly.