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The only thing about the vote that looks good is she saved death.

I haven't had much of an issue with her to that point. I am however surprised she had no vote down until eod

FINAL VOTALS
[6] Chris - (Ulti), (Lea), (Sultan), Lea, Ulti, Sultan, Han, Crescent, BCT
[3] Han - (BCT), (Chris), Death, Chris, (Ulti), Sheep
[2] death - JC, (Lea), (Chris), (Han), EDumey, (Lea)
[1] Ulti - (Chris), (BCT), (Sultan), (BCT), Wall, (BCT)
[1] Sultan - ctes, (Chris), (Ulti)
[0] Lea - (Sheep)
[0] JC - (Han), (Ulti), (Sultan)
[0] Sheep - (Chris), (Han), (Lea), (EDumey), (Wallmasterz)
[0] EDumey - (Ulti), (Ulti)
[0] Ctes - (Sultan)
[0] Wall - (BCT), (BCT)
[0] BCT - (Ulti)

Actually did she not vote at all until then??

At end of day she never really mentioned Han as much as she did death. She thought Death was town to.. so not voting Death makes sense. Ulti and Han were on the table as well.

I'm just confused that she didn't push a different chain as much and just piled onto a lynch she was against

Looking at the votes on Chris I'd say Creasents look the worst..

She was so confident that Chris was town.

Why would Creasent pile onto the Chris lynch like this? She was vocially against the lynch

wallmasterz posted...

Sultan I just want to clear the air a little bit, at no point did I think you lied about having a concussion. I do think some people who play this game, not implying anyone but I just mean in general, might have no trouble using something legit theyre experiencing like Covid brain fog or a concussion to their benefit. I dont know you at all but I really wanted to get the opinion of people who know you and know what kinds of lines have been drawn in the sand for years when it comes to this. I felt like it was just due diligence with Chris flipping scum. But I never for a second doubted your concussion was legit and Im really grateful youre feeling better. I hope theres no hard feelings.

I'm not mad dont worry

Chris:
Murder: han, ulti, Sultan
Veto: jc, wall, Crescent

Would Chris want to Veto a kill on a team mate?

I wasn't wanting to be apart of that camp beacuse Mzero is always kind of inactive but he is usually more active as town right?

So basically I was the victim of being beanbuzzled but still sticking to my gut on Chris helped us lynch him by ulti tricking me got it!

##unvote

However I am starting to feel alot better went back to taequando today

Also i legit have a concussion I wouldn't pull that stuff if you know me at all..

Seriously no one finds ults flip flopping to be scum theater??
Did he ever exsplain why he due that to begin with? I was frustrated beacuse we had momentum on Chris and he backed off and looked to have wasted most of the day.. maybe im still made or confused at this flip flop but i wouldn't put it last Ulti and Chris to pull something lime this.

Anyways ##vote:Ulti

yesterday he still ended on Chris but that Dropping his vote to join Chris was really weird. I said it yesterday and I'll say it again today I wouldn't be surprised if they are linked

Sheep007 posted...

To people voting Chris: do you genuinely think Chris is Scum here if Death isn't? And in that case, why not vote Death?

I'm starting to think chris and Ulti have been playing a gambit on us all day

Be a hero BCT!

htaeD posted...

Also does scumChris really go take a nap at this point?

He flet safe

Um Lea aren't you also on Chris???

No one was gonna follow me onto ulti Han is a shit lynch and I though Chris was scum prior to all this..

Call it a priority lynch and if Ulti and Chris are linked even better

Crescent-Moon posted...

Gonna have to explain this one to me.

Haven't I been calling Chris scum basically all day?

##unvote
##vote:Chris

yolo!

htaeD posted...

Also geez I offer to claim and suddenly it gets all quiet

Thoughts on ulti?

I think ulti is probably our best lynch atm

Idk if I'd call this outrage but I'm baffled! Like ulti went againt everything he stood for all day.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Do you think Ulti is scum?

I do now! This is litterally the worst vote I've ever seen in Mafia history. That is a weasel if I ever seen one!

Hear me out here.

Ulti spends basically all day saying he has this soul read on Chris and is absolutely certain that Chris is scum.

But at the tip of a hat he unvotes his biggest scum read and votes his biggest town read?!

What the fuck is that!

What In the actual hell? ULTI.

Youre a gutless weasel!

##unvote
##vote:Ulti

htaeD posted...

I just want Sultan himself to explain this particular word trip.

I was requested is what i ewas talking about when i went back to my vote on JC following my lisit, To make a list by Chris.
I didnt acknowledge ctes specifically like Creasent is saying I did.

I didnt realize Ctes was specifically asked I thought it was a ritorical request or something Chris made or something like that
I legit was confused like I pointed out last page
I asked by why he did this. I was still confused after the unvote on Ctes.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

It's all in response to the sheep claim.

I guess it's not as bad as I thought.

But i guess it provides a summary on everyone's stance but why?

I legit was still confused then was cooking dinner and working on the list request or my own from Chris.

I legit have no memory of acknowledging that Ctes was requested to do so specifically

ctesjbuvf posted...
Now that I ninja'd you Chris, are you going to continue to play cute or have you seen Sheep's claim play out

I am going to play yakuza and be cute. There is a post game dungeon.

You can be my assistant though. List generally everyone's reaction to sheep's claim and any who have not given a reaction. We are information gathering ctes

I missed this completely and didn't realize it was a legit request until it was just pointed out earlier this topic.

ctesjbuvf posted...
Now that I ninja'd you Chris, are you going to continue to play cute or have you seen Sheep's claim play out

I am going to play yakuza and be cute. There is a post game dungeon.

You can be my assistant though. List generally everyone's reaction to sheep's claim and any who have not given a reaction. We are information gathering ctes

I missed this completely and didn't realize it was a legit request until it was just pointed out earlier this topic.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Yes, you did. The only reason you write this line is because you're acknowledging bailing off of Ctes and hopping to JC is because he was asked to do it.

I was specifically asked about JC around that. Time not once did I mention Ctes during any of that

Crescent-Moon posted...

How is that putting words in your mouth?

You clearly imply, once again, that Ctes made his wall "unprompted" and question why it should reflect better than you do.

Yet there's also clear evidence that you acknowledged he was prompted to do it, when you were justifying voting JC.

What are you even talking about?

Where did I mention ctes at all in this?

Crescent-Moon posted...

That is not what this post says. This post is trying to shade Ctes for the exact same thing you shaded him for earlier in a defensive response.

Right see I had no idea ctes was prompted to make a list

Creasent why you putting words in my mouth?

Crescent-Moon posted...

This is Sultan acknowledging a major factor in him near-naked voting JC all of a sudden was because "he wasn't asked to make a list". He essentially just went back and took someone from his previous 3 and rehashed his reasoning.

This clearly implies Sultan read it was prompted and registered it in this post. He's also voting JC, who happens to be the one who immediately told him his Ctes vote was bad.

I was talking about myself at this point. As in I was asked to make a list???

ctesjbuvf posted...

Topic 2 post 19.

I think I'll need to see myself out now

wallmasterz posted...

Sultan I am sorry if youve been asked and I missed it but Im curious what you think of ulti

also I hope youre feeling at least somewhat better, concussions are no joke

Anyways Ulti looks like he looked last game. And usually I can read ulti pretty well.

I wouldn't have followed Ulti's lead to Chris if I didn't think Ulti was town

ctesjbuvf posted...

Have you honestly not yet realized that I was promted.

Specifically? I say him ask an in general question and you responded

SirChris posted...

That being said I don't think I can let the concussion sway me any longer.

He was still voting ctes for me at the time for making a list I requested

lol

##unvote: Han
##vote: Sultan

... ??

Let me get this straight I do a list at your request scum.

Ctes does it without being prompted town??

SirChris posted...

So why does decent player JC pin his hopes of looking good on a gut read iyo?

I don't know it just threw me off that he had other reads but goes with a weakly explained guy feeling.
I've seen him make similar processed and takes the read not the gut.

But maybe im missing something that his guy has been more correct then his reads recently or something

SirChris posted...

Anyway I guess this is an important thing to ask, Sultan. Do you think JC is a decent player?

He has impressed me the few games since he came back to playing so I'd say yes

well... that was a major pushing point for Me on why you look scummy..

I was waiting until I had the time to push this and make my argument to add to being on a wave length with ulti sound better...

All this effort just for that response is killing me....

Okay so you asked myself and Han questions based on our Votes on JC.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Okay so I guess Chris is argument is more so bad town play and not scum play.

Why would scum JC pick a fight with death there?
Answer: Jc wants to pick someone to make him look good having a gut read on. Death sounds more appealing that saying a gut read in BCT. And what fight there is hasn't been really a fight to it?

What's the motivation?
answer: to look like he is doing something productive and look like he is trying to solve the game.

How does scum JC benefit from doing that with a weak reason?

Answer: Why would anyone do this? Why didn't he go after Sheep or Ulti if he was town? Role of 3?? Doesn't want to go after one of the team mates. I guess he could to after the other. Maybe He truely has nothing at all and pulled something out of his hat.

What does it accomplish for him?
Answer: to look town

Why not sheep me?
Answer: he litterally said he has fear of you and that be and doesn't want to get caught by following you. Beacuse you know you're like Mafia God of B8.

Why not attack a weaker player?

Answer: like I said it's more appealing that saying oh I got this big soul read on someone weak. That isn't as appealing as I got a soul read on a good player like Death.

I answered you completely ignored it but attacked Han for calling them dumb and not wanting to answer..

If he answered would it have even mattered?

That is the contradiction you attack Han for not answering but didn't even give a hoot that I did!

let me go find what I'm talking about.

SirChris posted...

What are you even talking about

You asked me to answer the same questions as Han and completely ignored me. Yet if Han answered you would have jumped at him and belittled him from not answering them and calling them stupid.

So would the answers wouldn't have mattered??

Yet when I answered said questions you didn't even bat an eye.. Double standard from me vs Han you probably would have responded to his answers what makes mine any different?

I know this was over a topic ago lol.

I may have mush brain right now but I feel like you've been a bit contradictory

Yet when I answered said questions you didn't even bat an eye.. Double standard from me vs Han you probably would have responded to his answers what makes mine any different?

I know this was over a topic ago lol.

SirChris posted...

Hello Sultan, let's chat.

My reasoning update for Han is noted as I think he was trying to minimalize one of my reads by calling it stupid and nothing he has done since has made me feel any better about him (note: note caught up fully)

For Ulti, literally, I have cited his early game looking nice to me but then his lack of follow up as a specific reason for me suspecting him now.

Sultan you act like you've never seen me change a read based on new information before.

Exaplain this to me you initially
Said Ulti was a bait
When did it change from bate to scum for you?

The reason you gave for Han being Town is now the reason you give from Han being scum how does that make sense?

Sheep007 posted...

the above post was coincidental and not at all due to Chris' appearance

Hm. When did he say this? You're allowed to change opinions, and I think we all kinda agreed that the Ulti vote started off as bait, but I think the context from which this came changes it a lot.

I mean topic one but I just thought this was weird.

Like a complete 180 of earlier thoughts on 2 people.

SirChris posted...

Town/don't want to lynch
Lea (buddies)
Crescent (mindmeld)
Ulti (feels very excited, don't think seeing me back is this excited if ulti is scum
Han (Town don't understand me is the stupidest read but here it is)
Bct (day 1 pass sure why not)

Now he is saying the exact opposite about ulti and Han

wallmasterz posted...

fair (assuming its accurate which Ill trust you)

More or less Ulti and Chris have played Mafia together for a very very long time