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Wake up babe. New copypasta just dropped.

XMFD.

Oh and I just remembered an extremely nerdy dream I had that I thought was so fuckin cool.

So the context of this one is this is the leadup to Avengers Endgame. Full hype mode, engaging in all kinds of speculation of what the plot of the movie with friends and message boards.

Then my dream came up with its own plot synopsis.

What I can distinctly remember happens at the big climax of the movie. They need to bring back everyone that's been snapped and Ant Man has the key. He's developed a massive chamber for all the remaining Avengers to enter and go through the quantum realm. They get in the chamber, they turn it on and it's all the flashy kind of cuts and CGI of what you assume to be the characters shrinking down to a microscopic level.

Except it's a fakeout. They didn't shrink. They grew. They grew so large in fact that when they step out of the chamber, they're the size of literal galaxies. Theyre standing in the massive void of space, looking into endless stars, galaxies, planets. Suddenly a figure appears in a silhouette against the space. And they're face to face with "Eternity" who Ant Man and co bargain with to bring everyone back (again this dream happened Pre Endgame lol and pre other movies that may have came later splrz).

I had a work dream that started off extremely normal and textbook. For context I work in a hospital.

And then right in the middle of it, I asked one question to a nurse. All of a sudden patients in wheelchairs started rolling out of their rooms, nurses in scrubs, doctors in stethoscopes, all came together in this amazing display of choreographed song and dance. The cubicles of the ER started rolling away, to reveal that we were on some massive stage, with bigger more elaborate sets rolling in. And again, the whole thing was expertly choreographed and the song was incredible.

I wish we had the technology to record dreams. I think about this one all the time. I woke up laughing hysterically at what your subconscious can come up with.

meralonne posted...

I encourage you to look up a show called Orphan Black. Shes pretty amazing in that IMO.

As I googled this show I just discovered Tatiana Maslany is Canadian also.

Fuckin eh! Another to the pile of many of Canadian W's.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I don't care very much. Just enough to tell you that you're wasting your time trying to psychoanalyze people based on which comic book movie scenes they like most.

We're both wasting each other's time with this pointless back and forth. Have a great night.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

If I think it's bad, I think it's bad. You don't have to overanalyze people's opinions.

Great. Why do you care so much if I want to throw a different opinion into a sea of "I think it's bad" takes?

party_animal07 posted...

The Boys did it better. It was parodied first and when it came to be, still was a better scene in the end.

We can talk about which is "better" but I think it's really important to consider that they all have value and merit. You can rank how these scenes compare, and want more.

But I absolutely think every single one of them should be allowed to exist for what they are. Some can be cheesy and over the top and hit you right in the face. And some can be more "organic" have more relevance to the plot, or simply be better orchestrated. But again, they all have every right to exist right there along with the thousand of male scene equivalents.

Also idk if I'm even familiar with the scene from The Boys you're talking about. If it's in Season 3 I haven't got there yet.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

The only thing youre arguing for the Endgame scene is that a girl could think its cool..

Is that the thing no one is considering??

Please tell me you have something else that I didnt catch in the topic. I want to make sure I understand you before I retort.

I've argued a lot, please read any one of my many posts back for them.

I'm not going to repeat all my arguments for you to poorly rephrase them here.

I will leave you with one more important consideration.

Using that argument I made up to criticize (nitpick) the Cap/Thor/Iron Man fight against Thanos again. That was me literally nitpicking a scene I absolutely love and coming up with some arguments why it actually defies logic once you think about it at all. You could argue that kind of thing for literally every single frame of these movies if you try. And some do. I'm pointing to the roots of where and why some really take issue with certain characters, scenes or whole movies / shows. Maybe it has a foothold in misogyny and being masked by what the arguer believes to be "legit criticism"

However take a moment to consider.... if I can come up with some BS nitpicks against a scene I absolutely love after only 5 seconds of thought...maybe y'all have some capacity to believe some positive things against these things you're so angry against. Maybe you can see where people like us are coming from who are defending them and they think they're awesome or have some importance you aren't seeing.

Or not, in which case again, I'm not the one that needs to meet you in the middle of opinion road. That burden would be on you.

meralonne posted...

I encourage you to look up a show called Orphan Black. Shes pretty amazing in that IMO.

I absolutely will.

jumi posted...

Misogyny at its worst.

Killing off Black Widow when useless Hawkeye was RIGHT THERE.

My man Hawkeye always gets slept on.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I feel like you dont actually acknowledge other stances tho.

I feel the same for you and many that are arguing against that scene or other things in this topic.

Like we should be well aware that people HAAAATE that endgame scene. That opinion is literally the all you see when it comes to that discussion on the internet. If youve only even seen it in this topic alone, you should see that here too. my opinions are shared by a few others, but so many people cant stop themselves from going out of their way to step over our opinions and continue lambast a few second scene.

For example, you say this, but people are responding to your claim that people dislike the Endgame scene or She Hulk because of misogyny. You are then immediately gaslighting anyone who tries explaining the actual reason as whining? We disagree. But you classify opposing reasoning as bullshit.

Im immediately trying to get them to see a side they arent considering and put their bullshit aside and listen to someone else for a change. Ive heard all the arguments, I know exactly what people are gonna say. That scene has been bitched about to hell and back for 3 years now. And call me Nostradamus because I did predict it to the letter. I wish people would sometimes stop and take a moment to consider other sides. Because Ive heard all your arguments and I had a lot of thoughts and good arguments immediately prepared to provide for consideration. Yet did yall see the points I was trying to make? Nah. Some of you couldnt wait, or are still trying to tell me how bad that scene is without considering any other thought on the matter. Thats fine though. Ive taken careful time to respond to pretty much all of it with careful thought and logical arguments for what I believe. Im not the one you should be talking to about respecting others opinions.

I find that lazy. Like, people are comparing the Avengers circle panning shot to the Endgame scene. Thats disingenuous at best, moronic at worse if someone cant tell the difference.

Its actually a perfectly logical comparison. Explain how a circle shot of the avengers doing hero poses is any different than a bunch of girls standing in formation? Its campy, over the top fan service thats perfectly at place in a superhero film. These movies have elevated a lot beyond the campiness but its not a bad thing to have those shots that are literally comic panels come to life, for literally the only reason to show off the characters in a cool way or have a good shot for a trailer.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

This topic reminds me of that topic where the TC didnt understand how people could like The Last Of Us 1, but hate TLoU2 because he theorized people just care too much about wokeness.

I hope your use of TC In this case is used as a generality and not referring to me? Because this definitely wasnt me.

TC, if people dont like things you like, its okay for them to have actual reasons.

All of my posts have this understanding baked into them. I know how opinions work and if youve ever seen me argue anything on this board, youll see Ill always understand the place for opinions.

But when opinions are argued its to show another side that isnt being considered. The relentless anger that certain scenes or marvel properties have should be seen in another light, its not the only way to view these things, and IMHO, in many aspects its can be flat out wrong. All opinions are allowed to exist, including ones that say the overwhelming amount of bitching about one scene is ridiculous and comes from a terrible place.

. Who is like, making a big stink about the Endgame scene or She-Hulk besides those YouTube essay people who are monetizing it?

.like this very topic youre posting in? Lol this is madness you just asked this.

Youll notice if you are reading this topic at all when I brought up the endgame scene, I said this would get people riled up and I attempted to shut down all the bullshit whining about that scene before it even happened. And people came out of the woodworks still to tell me how bad that scene was and how it shouldnt have been made.

lol its weird talking to people who engage in a topic that explains everything and they still act lost like its not all right here for anyone to read.

ArchNemo posted...

You're right. So putting them is scenes that make them seem like it is wrong.

Glad you agree.

You dont really seem to understand the point of superhero movies.

ArchNemo posted...

I mean, no it shouldn't. They should be showcasing female characters in a way that doesn't make the fact that they have female characters in their movies look like a gimmick.

Females existing isnt a gimmick. Smh

mybbqrules posted...

The only gripe I have about that Endgame scene is that Capt. Marvel immediately bum rushes through a row of troops including tanks and left all her support help behind when they just pumped up all of them helping her.

I'd have switched it to having Gamora carry the gauntlet while Capt. Marvel is helping clear a path. Then you could have included a quick reaction shot of Thanos realizing Gamora is opposing him, and then had Capt. Marvel step in to fight Thanos after the quantum tunnel explosion.

Depends.

This is a pretty good retooling of this scene.

Id personally would have liked to see Nebula in some way take the gauntlet as a nice reference to the comics.

Delta_Force posted...

I can't help but think about the people who tried to defend She-Hulk saying "you can't judge a whole show/season by one small clip/episode", normally I'd agree but recent MCU media has been aggressively shit and the naysayers were right (again), Jen's character didn't evolve and the plot went nowhere. Hell she proved that she couldn't handle her powers/rage and should have stayed with Bruce to train.

All the show did was set up Hulk+Lil-Hulk... that's so lame. Just release a trailer for that, it saves you millions and less burnout for the VFX artists.

Id like to basically tackle this post by the line All the show did was

That right there tells the whole story. Because thats all you care to take away from the show.

For me the show introduced me to the absolutely phenomenal and outstanding Tatiana Maslany. Who has, imho, taken a character that I literally said to myself How the fuck are they going to make this work and absolutely knocked it out of the park.

She is also for my moneys worth, toe to toe one of the funniest and charming superhero characters to ever exist. Which is saying something for the MCU when almost every single character is funny in their own way. But also says something to the point of this topic when its finally a female character and the overwhelming majority of those funny characters are men.

The show itself has some issues, but I absolutely loved its slice of life style for a window into this world. I liked the stakes that it had for the MCU, not for the whats next shit that you only come here to see. Setting up future Bruce Banner plots, and The Thubderbolts, etc. I look at it like: Its just nice to live in the MCU for 20 something minutes every week. See more context of superheroes mean in in this world, especially from the law angle. And just see some more niche comic references that you wouldnt get anywhere else.

Also love every single cameo. Emil, Wong but especially Matt Murdock / Daredevil was handled flawlessly. And the chemistry he had with Tatiana Maslany, dont take my word for it. Ive seen nothing but praise for how well those two worked.

I loved the shows extremely poignant statements about feminism, dating, toxic masculinity and literally calling out all the criticisms the show would receive for its mere existenceall while keeping it fun, lighthearted and moving quickly. Its extremely smartly written.

I could gripe about it. But why bother. I got a lot of entertainment and merit out of a show that my initial reaction upon its announcement was Blehwhy? Surpassed every single expectation I had and then some.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I disagree. Women characters arent doing what men characters do.

Go on.

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The only interesting character is the female Loki. According to you, people would hate Sylvie. Its Loki that gets the hate tho.

People do hate Sylvie. Ive seen a fair amount of criticism for her. But this topic isnt saying any criticism for any female character is automatically misogynistic and wrong

Im black. I despise when Hollywood tries pandering to me.

Okay? Youre absolutely have every right to decide that for yourself.

I assure you. Theres ways to show representation without being a pandering hack about it. The Endgame scene was ass. I dont care what you say. Neither of us are more correct than the other.

Both of us are indeed entitled to our opinions. But my whole point is just let it be if you didnt like it. Going to such extremes to hate one scene in this movie absolutely becomes inarguably misogynistic and it also has become about peoples hangups in not letting that scene live and have its purpose.

Like I said. If one person saw it and felt represented or thought it was cool, it did its part. If one person goes online and sees all this BS about it to the point where they feel bad for liking it because it was ass I think youre 100% wrong in hating it to that degree.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I edited to correct. I meant to refer tp your rebuttal about She-Hulk being around since the 80s but mixed up posts.

If your title is about the MCU, I dont see how bringing up comics She Hulk is relevant, but MCU TV shows you are constantly puzzled on why I bring them up.

And.. I dont really know why you mentioned the last part. I dont care, respectfully.

It wasnt relevant until someone tried to act like theyre gender bending female characters out of thin air.

But even in that post I still said it doesnt matter if the character was created 40 years ago or yesterday. Its important to have female representation, who gives two shits when the character was invented?

Respectfully , I have zero idea what the point of most of your arguments are. Especially these ones here.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Ah. TC is going to say thats not relevant if you bring up another show/movie.

But say amen to bringing up another comic.

I see what kinda topic this is.

What does the topic title say?

My amen comment was to someone praising how well written and executed the female characters of the MCU are btw

My dude I have you tagged as a cool poster. Im not seeing that right now.

lilORANG posted...

So you don't want to talk about misogyny in the MCU.

We can talk about the misogyny She Hulk faces in her show all day long if you like too.

ArchNemo posted...

Maybe it has less to do with the fact that they're men, but that they're the 3 major characters of the entire franchise? The entire decade long saga started with these three characters, and now we're seeing them together in the movie that wraps up the whole saga about to face the big bad?

Vs

Here's all of our female characters on screen at once looking strong. They all just happen to be in the same place in this massive battle because, well, we really needed this scene.

Ive already explained the Thanos vs the trio scene is a mcguffin argument created simply to show how easily one can criticize these movies if they want.

But yes. These two scenes wont completely compare because one has so much more story impact than the other. lets not lose ourselves in the comparison

But also what are you saying about your synopsis of that scene? Yeah, they created a specific scene to have all their female characters line up for a very brief moment. They 100% were doing a very fan service thing. And if you read any one my posts about the matter. Thats a thing that can happen and should continue to happen as much as possible. So its not so weird for yall to see 10 female superheroes standing in a line.

mybbqrules posted...

The thing that I find hilarious about all the chud squealing over strong women being "woke" in the MCU is......like.....have these chuds even watched the MCU?

Find me one prominent female character in the MCU who is portrayed as anything other than intelligent, competent, and good at their job. I'll wait right here.

A-goddamn-men

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I mean I don't know much about comic books but I think the issue is that it feels forced. There can absolutely be powerful female characters that people love. (Hunger Games was huge recently). And people love Harley Quinn. And don't forget Eleven from Stranger Things. In this case though it's weird, She-Hulk, there's a female Thor, etc, from the outside at least it looks like reskinning a character as a woman just because that's the cool thing to do. If there was a Wonder Man show, that would be really odd too. Seems like shows like wandavision and jessica jones were also very popular so I dont think its shows being led by a female (Obviously some people will have a problem with that but not most) but just when it feels like they're pandering or trying to make a statement or taking over characters that already existed.

I know these are probably real comic book characters but I think it just comes off that way

She Hulk has existed since the 80s but it definitely is a large percentage of the criticism of that show now is people think they just gender swapped the character in 2022 to be woke.

But those kinds of criticisms are at the heart of this topic. If men can be Thor. And Hulk and Spider-Man. Who cares if a woman tries. Let them. It doesnt matter if the character was created 40 years ago or yesterday. What difference does that make at the end of the day? Nothing about it is forced upon you, no one is saying it had to be for your or that you have to like it.

buddhamonster posted...

That argument doesnt really work for TCs example. Endgame is almost certainly the highest rated Marvel movie to date. Its widely praised as one of the best superhero movies ever made.

So when the one thing people criticize it over is, dat one scene when all da women line up!!! it becomes pretty telling why they hated that one part wouldnt you think?

AsucaHayashi posted...

the thing that goes over most people's head is execution.

to them when they hear wonder woman 1 was good, it's because the movie was well-made but when they hear wonder woman 2 was bad, it's most definitely, unanimously, can't be anything else but the single fact that it has a female lead xfd.

fucking pathetic.

This has been addressed earlier in this topic

SwayM posted...

Black Widow as an example is funny because you really dont see the hate poor out for that movie like you do Captain Marvel. I think BW is universally understood to be pretty bad, but maybe the fact the characters already established helps calm down the angry nerds.

You have to admit though so much of the complaints of something like Captain Marvel are amplified by the toxic BS. People mad that an extremely strong female hero doing strong female shit in her movie made people go to the ends of the earth to overly critique that movie. Also the fact that Brie Larson is a lightning rod for these peoples hatred too doesnt help.

And no one in this topic is talking about Wonder Woman other than you.

Lairen posted...

She-Hulk was awful.

Agree to disagree.

Blightzkrieg posted...

Always love the male comic book nerd discussion of "what fanservice would be best for female fans".

I will say anecdotally the women I know tend to enjoy those types of scenes and generally seem to enjoy women heroes more than the guys I've talked to.

Well said.

Collat posted...

Ironically, it's more faithful to older comics than the new ones.

Imagine how many people would have lost their shit if they tried to give them this.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/5/3/AAMY_UAADzz9.jpg

Lol explain what this is?

cuttin_in_farm posted...

People are willing to suspend their belief if something is cool or entertaining.

This true. But people also are more willing to suspend their disbelief for men doing the exact same things as women.

I think a large part of peoples immediate and disproportionate reactions is because a familiarity thing too. When people are used to seeing something, theyre okay with it. And people simply arent as used to seeing female characters do the exact same shit male characters do. Scenes like this are important and if that makes people this mad, good. People will learn to get over it the more they see it.

You cant force a scene AND make it lame at the same time. Thats when people start complaining like in Loki.

idk what Loki has to do with this. Go on?

but as for it being lame well again, when mere seconds of a 3 hour movie get litigated this much I dont think its as much of an issue of it being lame. Like that really shouldnt matter so much to anyone.

Especially, why it matters that it exists at all. Let the women line up and be counted. Thats fucking awesome I dont care what you say. And if there is even one girl out there who saw that scene and felt seen, heard, represented, or thought it was cool. Then it did its job. Probably similar to the feelings I got when I saw Cap wield the hammer. Both of these moments can exist in the same movie and affect different people in positive ways. Thats what these movies are for. And for the internet to continue to whine about this one scene is absurd.

Trying to make anyone feel like theyre not allowed to enjoy representation because of extremely slight nitpicks at the end of the day? Not a fan.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

This is fair. My counterpoint is what do you want them to do? My rebuttal would be that they hear Ant-Man say hes coming to help, and having eyes on Thanos is the immediate threat. So theres logic.

Heres where we get back to the point of why Im making these arguments in the first place. This scene took me 3 seconds to think of some genuine nitpicks why 4 male characters dont actually need to fight. But in reality? The scene is fucking awesome and imho its actually structured so cool and everything happening in parallel to that scene is fine too. My point is how easily one can nitpick anything in these movies, and they dont. And no one cares when male characters do cool shit that really doesnt make sense when you actually start to think about it.

The whole reason Captain Marvel is kept out of the fight is the same reason Strange is forced to hold back a giant water current or Wanda is bombarded by missiles. To make it to where the heroes dont have an auto win button. Literally just dont have Peter tell her Oh geez, how the hell are you, who destroyed the entire battle ship solo, gonna get through a few mooks?, and the scene is immediately improved. Have characters who were not seen previously doing other things like Wanda or The Wasp not in the scene, and you fix another issue.

I think the scene would have been a little better if they had they choreographed a more dynamic fight scene with all the women. But thats a small nitpick for me and still doesnt take away anything from what the scene is doing. Which is ultimately more important imho than any nitpick Ive seen about it.

People dislike when male characters dont make sense too. Your entire reason for bring up the Thor, Cap, Tony thing. Dont be dense.

Again, see my reasoning above. I literally created this argument in this topic as an example of shit you dont see. You see so much more vitriol when women do things then men.

But dont dismiss peoples arguements as well, its because shes a GIRL. I saw the finale of WandaVision. Lets not pretend making female protagonists boring for the sake of empowerment or stripping them of consequences isnt a thing that happens.

People continue to dismiss my arguments about how little continuity actually matters when people sit down and enjoy these movies. They literally cant help themselves but Matrix dodge all my arguments and still pick apart seconds of a 3 hour film because it has women standing in a linedont tell me there isnt a correlation.

ZMythos posted...

You're contradicting yourself. The scene is obviously fan service, which defeats your talking about about taking misogyny in superhero movies seriously. Trying to evoke representation arguments through a "YAAAS Queen Slay GIRL POWER" scene is self-defeating.

Im not contradicting anything. fan service isnt a bad thing. You pretending its always bad is missing my point.

Representation is very fuckin important. Since Endgame weve had BW, Lady Thor. Wandavision. Ms Marvel and She Hulk. Soon well have Echo too.

Those properties alone are doing huge things for the serious talking points of female representation and tackling legit issues.

This scene can just fuckin exist to show a bunch of women on screen about to kick ass. Thats all it is, and thats all Im claiming it to be. and if you dont think thats awesome, then who gives a shit? Then its not for you and stop caring so much.

Please continue to disproportionately critique this scene like it matters that much. You keep proving everything Im saying.

Not to mention that you're coming off as a bad faith actor with this topic and are reaching to troll anyone who interacts with this topic by labeling them as misogynist instead of having a real discussion about the problematic ways that women are portrayed in film.

Lmfao.

This is as real or a discussion as it can possibly get. What topic are you even reading. Ive labeled no one. Im pointing out the misogynistic arguments that continue to be disproportionately used to criticize anything female related. If you take that personally as me labeling you, then youre missing the entire point of this topic. The fact you even think this portrayal is problematic and the problem not being that angry men who take issue with every little thing women do in movies made to have fun. Tells me a lot about what makes you tick.

Rharyx211 posted...

It doesn't make me mad. It's just noticeably forced.

Good. Women deserve to have scenes that dont go unnoticed snd are in peoples faces just like any other male ensemble.

Rharyx211 posted...

tbf that Endgame scene was pretty cringey since it was obviously only shoved in for that one reason.

And if that makes you mad and you cant see the examples of obvious male fan service never having any issue at all, then welcome to this topic.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Thor, Cap, Iron Man have no clue whats happening with the others. All they know is they got nuked and see Thanos sitting for them.

they all have magic earpieces and are in constant communication through the rest of the movie whenever the plot needs them to be. They absolutely know whats happening the same as Ant Man who heard rocket and Rhodes pleading for help.

Also forget that completely if you want.

Lets assume they dont hear what Antman hears. They have no idea how much danger theyre in, where they are and literally show no concern to start digging them out, so they can have even 9 vs Thanos instead of 3. Theyre gonna go beat up on this guy who again, is literally just chilling, throwing rocks.

The women scene is silly since, for starters, Captain Marvel did not need help with anything. So its blatantly forced. The IW scene is more organic, and people obviously noticed so no it was not hidden.

Exact kinda shit Im talking about. You realize Captain Marvel actually doesnt need help to take down the entirety of Thanos army at all? Not just scene alone. Thats literally what youre saying. Like this character is actually shown to be so strong she could literally just solo the entire fuckin army and let every other Avenger in the battle go for shawarma. But thats not a fun movie. But because theres a bunch of other girls behind her suddenly we care a lot about how she doesnt need their help? Walking right into it my friend.

People complained about Reed Richards making no sense in MoM. People complained about Sam in his show.

I fail to see how this has any relevance at all.

Again, what are the actual reasons people disliked She-Hulk?

You can look at episode 1 when she gets her Hulk powers and learns to control then immediately, with the explanation given that as a woman she knows how to control her anger. Shes been doing it her whole life.

People took this to mean shes a better hulk, she has no lessons to learn (which comes full circle in the last episode) and it just made people mad that this new character didnt have an identity crisis like Bruce Banner.

rexcrk posted...

I loved in the She-Hulk finale when they had the group of guys and one of them was like Its not even about them being women, Id still complain about it if it was guys like stfu, you absolutely, 100% would not

Absolute clownworld

absolute truth

Were gonna get the people going with this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/1/AAB3ooAADzzJ.jpg

Thor, Cap, and Iron Man beating up on Thanos who was literally just sitting there patiently. Meanwhile the other 6 people in the compound are fighting for their lives in the rubble. No issues noted because the men kick ass!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/2/AAB3ooAADzzK.jpg

Girls lining up to kick ass:

Hey tell them broads to sit down!!!

Now watch all the people rush to reply to this telling me how the scene doesnt make sense or a lot of other weak arguments simply because this is obvious female fan service and that boils peoples blood for some Damn reason.

People only care about logistics when female superheroes are doing things. Like I pointed out above, no one, absolutely no one cares as much for logistics when its male characters doing cool shit.

Also if you say this scene was done better in infinity war, to me youre saying female scenes only work when they go almost undetected, and girls can only have one scene with 3 characters. Thats all the space these movies have available to them.

Rharyx211 posted...

The best thing She-Hulk did was dedicate a plot line to making fun of the incel woman-hater fans that were going to hate her show anyway. I have a coworker who fits the bill as one of those guys and seeing him get upset every week was kinda funny.

But yeah, there's a lot of misogyny involved, but that's just par for the course with superhero stuff because "comic books are for boys" has been a stupid idea since forever. And making more women heroes is now a "woke narrative" for "forced inclusivity" or whatever dumb buzz words are being thrown around these days.

That said, Black Widow is still a bad movie. And Captain Marvel is still only alright at most. You don't have to be a misogynist to realize that.

She Hulk calling out the toxic fandom was so well done and definitely one of the best things about that show. They predicted EXACTLY how people were going to react.

Black Widow as an example is funny because you really dont see the hate poor out for that movie like you do Captain Marvel. I think BW is universally understood to be pretty bad, but maybe the fact the characters already established helps calm down the angry nerds.

You have to admit though so much of the complaints of something like Captain Marvel are amplified by the toxic BS. People mad that an extremely strong female hero doing strong female shit in her movie made people go to the ends of the earth to overly critique that movie. Also the fact that Brie Larson is a lightning rod for these peoples hatred too doesnt help.

The living Mes is underratedly hilarious. Well done.

Also gun only seems like it would be a fun play through, but super annoying farming for materials the entire game

You cant tell me that the female led properties arent getting criticized more simply because theyre female led priorities.

She Hulk being the latest example. It made some delicate men very mad for simply existing. The criticisms Ive seen just seem so disproportionate to the actual quality of the show (fantastic imho).

You can just feel the poor come through the screen when that green bubble pops up.

ZangsBeard posted...

Defending sexual harassment... weird flex, but ok.

The Dick pic certainly was a choice in this scenario and one Ive already stated was pretty foolish.

But sexual harassment eh? Youre jumping right there. and you literally just read my post about pearl clutching and pitchfork grabbing? This is also a choice youve made.

WrestlinFan posted...

Yeah, because if the woman is leading or matching that energy, it's now consensual. That's the big problem here. What TC did was not consensual and therefore disrespectful, to put it mildly. Doubling down on it and then feeling the need to make a topic on CE isn't a good look either.

The OP literally said she was leading and matching the sexual energy from message #1. So this isnt remotely a non consensual example like youre attempting to spin it out to be.

Which is why Im arguing for that context and also pointing out to the class that people do engage in immediate sexual relationships after matching on dating apps. It does happen, and if the OP was a little smoother, probably wouldnt have this topic to begin with and hed be engaged in one relationship right now. Thats what youre mad at? Is a girl losing her lady boner cuz the OP fumbled the bag?

like holy fuck, save the actual outrage for the actual examples where it matters. So much anger and outrage channeled in the worst ways. Internet in a nutshell.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/8/AAB3ooAADzss.jpg

this literally just was on my front page from /r/tinder when I opened up Reddit.

Its always funny watching CE, or the general internet react to online dating when it doesnt end up going well or working out. The way yall act like theres no world in which this shit does work. Or if anyone commits any kind of misdoing its treated like pearl clutching, pitchfork grabbing end of the world shit.

Only when men do it though. If men are sexual at all theyre disgusting creeps. If the woman matches that energy or even leads with it, its never, not once, looked at as this vile horrible thing like when men do it. Yall make me laugh.

Bad_Mojo posted...

I thought the same thing the other day after I watched someone do a Reaction to the movie. There is a game I play with my family called, "Betrayal On House Hill," or something like that, and the game changes each time you play it. Well, like 30 different ones

Ive played this game. Its such a cool concept.

CE's going to act like you're the most disgusting person on earth. Just be warned, don't take that personally.

But I'd move to phone numbers / snap if you legit start sexting lol.

I'd also always let them make the first move when sending and receiving pics.

But this girl just seems like a loonytune as well

I mean if anyone thinks it's GF's that alone should tell you something about the intelligence of this place lol.

The evidence seems to suggest so.

I know what movie Im watching again this weekend. The scenes in the lab just put a smile on my face every time.

DB_Insider posted...

Thor sucks in this movie

Awful take.

ZangsBeard posted...

Who the fuck designs a supernatural jail with a single big red fucking button to let ALL OF THE INMATES OUT AT THE SAME GOD DAMNED TIME!

Nice jail design, stupids.

How did they even get them in there in the first place is my question

Give me roughly the same movie but make the mcguffin they interact with change and I just want to see that play out in 50 different ways ways.

mustachedmystic posted...

Im really chill. Id have to be really fucked up, or in the worlds worst mood to yell at a stranger.

I honestly couldnt imagine. Even if they started yelling at me. Id probably just have an out of body experience like Is this really happening and simply leave.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/1/2/AAB3ooAADzp8.jpg

Sums it up for me quite nicely.

Get out the cocktails

If you didnt realize that was a fake after Borat literally appears on the screen, or the fact that they only had about 3 repeating clips of Iron Heart

idk what to tell you. Not a good fake.

Jump_Fangirl posted...

What exact is flirting? Two people of similar attractive-ness talking to each other?

Noticing a pattern of signs from someone that seem to suggest theyre actually interested in you, extending past simple professional curiosity, or friendly interactions.

IMHO.

But what do I fuckin know.