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I don't understand why they need to remake Time Bandits.

It's a weird classic born from a creative mind.... Remaking it by default kind of defeats the point.

Fun fact: In the original test screening of Time Bandits, the sound got fucked up and entire audio was distorted. Because it was a surreal film, the audience thought this was intentional and all the feedback Terry Gilliam got was almost enirely negative about how shit the film was.

Which scared the piss out of him

I do get kind of torn with protesters like this

People say "OMG they're so invasive, stop doing things that make me pay attention!" but the reality is if they don't. you ignore them. As society has done for the past 100 years.

So I fear it's 3 choices

Ignore everything as we normally do and corporations win, destroying the enviroment
Weird shit to stop them
Violence to stop them

And of the 3, the middle one is the least worst.

I'm also hugely skeptical of people who criticize protesters considering how much negative blowback kneeling down for the anthem got when I cannot for the life of me think of a less invasive, more respectful way to protest than kneeling down in way that doesn't effect or hinder a single other human being

And yet that was apparently wrong too.

pegusus123456 posted...

If Batman already knows that Superman is Clark Kent, a man with a human mother, doesn't that undermine the supposed point of the scene?

I agree
my interpretation was that he didn't know who Martha Kent was

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Dude NOBODY refers to their mother by her first name unless they're introducing her to someone or they're filling out a professional form lol

erm...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

There is literally no way possible that The World's Greatest Detective and richest man with access to a supercomputer can't figure out what I'd be able to just by looking at public school records or

Sounds like it was smart to give him her name then....

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

But weren't you just saying that people misunderstood the scene because they focused too much on them having the same name? Lol

yeah?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Also, how is it LESS realistic for a small-town boy with a good relationship with his mother to refer to her as "mom" instead of her first name? That makes no sense man lol

because this isn't a Christmas get together with the family

it's dying words to a near stranger

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Dude....Bruce already knows that Clark Kent is Superman and Superman knows this lmao. Bruce would already know that Superman has a mother named Martha Kent (or at the very least easily be able to figure it out). Superman doesn't need to say her name, so again, he'd be wasting his dying breath on useless information.

It's actually less helpful than simply saying his mom's in trouble because while there's multiple women that could be named Martha, there's only one specific woman that could be his mother lmao

if he said mom there's equal odds bats would be googling alien milfs

Martha is more realistic to the situation and better for the plot

its fine

hell arguing Bats already knew who Martha was just makes saying it smarter

pegusus123456 posted...

There's no situation in which Bruce is figuring out who the hell Martha is just from Superman saying her name once. Any situation in which he does figure it out is also served by Supes just saying mom.

If you say so

I don't agree at all and the point is moot considering Supes was literally dying when he said it.

I know full well if I wanted a stranger to help my mom I'd give them her name instead of just saying mom

And I'm not dying right now (that I know of)

xGhostchantx posted...

lol, ok corporate bootlicker.

wut

How in the hell did you get Corporate bootlicker from that?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

But he's not conveying anything lol. Batman has absolutely no context besides the fact that some woman named Martha is in some sort of danger somewhere.

He doesn't know who she is, where she is, or even what kind of danger she's in. There's no useful information gained simply from knowing her name.

it's almost like the guy saying it is desperate and dying and knows that Man is a detective who follows superman and can act on that information at least potentially

it works fine
RchHomieQuanChi posted...

You could literally make the scene 50 times better simply by swapping "Save Martha" out for "Save my mom" so I don't know where you're going with this strawman

That's less realistic and loses the Martha connection.

You've just made a worse movie

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Why would Batman knowing her name change the situation? And why would Superman waste his dying breath on making sure Batman knows her name instead of, I don't know, mentioning that she's been kidnapped by Lex in the first place. I

He's dying and can barely choke out words

It totally makes sense that he would say the least he possibly could to convey the most information

Choking "Lex Luther kidnapped my mom and took her to this complex at 956 downhead drive" is crazy and he'd barely get past luth-

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Everybody knows WHY it's there. But the execution is terrible. Clark refers to his own mother by name, something he never does previously, just to allow for the scene to happen.

Because Batman doesn't know her name and he's dying

xGhostchantx posted...

That's more than a fucking month of work for me to earn that.

I hate this attitude of "I'm not paid enough so therefore low paying everyone else is fine"

So just running a hypothetical here

Say 6 people equally work on a project

The project takes 36 hours to complete and generates $536,000 of profit

5 of them get $100,000
1 gets $36,000

Would you say that's fair and they have no right to complain because its more than you earn?

You're being treated like a dog being fed scraps under the table and are more angry at the other dog who got more scraps than the guys eating a feast above you in the first place

That's crazy

Ricemills posted...

no.
saying that Andrew Garfield's and Tom Holland's are not real Peter Parker because he "belongs" to Tobey Maguire is tribalism. and so does with Voice Acting and characters

Those were different interpretations in different canons (well until just now)

It would have been weird to continue the MCU spiderman in Far From Home for example with Idris Elba protraying the same Peter Parker that Tom Holland was playing in the previous movies alongside the same cast.

If they rebooted Bayonetta entirely with a new plot ,new design, new personality, new setting and a new actress. I think even the hardcore Bayonetta fans wouldn't be complaining. (Well about the VA Change anyway)

I don't think this is hard to understand

now you're straight up lying,
i said: they're well paid for A GIG JOB.

Lol you complained at me for removing context when it didn't change anything.
Then removed my post when it did.

VA is low paid "For a Gig Job" because VAs should be paid signifcantly more for their work. Saying Other gigs in other fields may pay less is totally irrelevant.

Just like non gig jobs.

then why the fuck she feels privileged and attack other VA for voicing Bayonetta? almost like she thinks that the only one that voiced Bayi should be her.

Because she's a weirdo.

But we're talking about her pay

You seem all over the place here

Ricemills posted...

speaking of fan tribalism, isn't clinging on a certain VA for a character is also one?

Not really?

That's like saying staring Bryan Cranston in all 5 series of Breaking Bad was tribalism.

No, it's just basic common sense and the role/show would be massively diminished if someone else took over.

Ricemills posted...

how smart of you for removing the context of the post to twist it for your convenience, bravo.

There's no other context.

VA's are paid terribly and treated terribly, there is no job security, low pay and major companies actively avoid hiring actors within a union.

Going "Well it pays better than if I take my gutair to the local pub" is just.... well it's beyond irrelevant and such a weird sideline to try to defend corrupt captialism at it's worst.

and as i repeat again, it was absurd to me to cling on a VA as if they owned the character, not the creator itself.

What does "As if they owned the character" even mean?

No one including Taylor is claiming she legally owns the character. And for the record Mari Shimazaki who did create the character doesn't own the character either...

Just feels like word salad here

Ricemills posted...

they're well paid

They're really really not.

and that's why I'm having trouble to understand, the character could still exist with different VA, and the attachment over it is absurd. like Hayter was great as Snake, but changing him with Sutherland is no big deal to me.

I really missed Hayter as Snake.

Different strokes for different folks. They just get attatched to the character.

I saw a clip from Young Justice (I think) with some goober voicing The Joker and the fact

1. It wasn't Hammil
2. It was shit

Stuck out like a sore thumb because Mark was so good at it.

"I don't care about thing" is fine "I'm looking down at others because they care about thing" is just kinda weird and arrogant dude

I can't imagine anyone else voicing Bender for example. It's so established now.

also the deal with Goku(?) VA back then, Mike Bologna or something. the fans won't admit he's a piece of shit.

That's just fan tribalism, not unique to VAs.

OJ Simpson was allowed to murder 2 people because he was good at football.
People still defend Kevin Spacey and Donald Trump.

Ricemills posted...

I don't understand the fixation over VA's tbqh. i find it weird that some people think the character belongs to the actors, not the author/creators.

They're notoriously low paid and poorly treated dude. That's why it's coming up.

And on a personal level, in most cases the VA is the part of the character fans see and relate too. Not the guy who drew/thought about it.

Without even leaving Jennifer Hale, I know her and Marc Meer. I have no idea who came up with Commander Shepard . Drew Karpyshyn?

I know the apperance was based on some European model

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Lol

I love how he kept pausing and waiting for Joe to reply just so he could interrupt him XD

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As far as I know (and I'm behind on this) it's he said/she said

Taylor is claiming she was offered $4000 for the whole role.

Annoymous sources said to be from Platinum Games (According to Bloomberg) are saying they offered her roughly that per session for 4 sessions and her pay would be about $15,000.

She turned it down so they hired Hale. Then offered Taylor $4000 for 1 session to record a cameo.

But none of this is "fact"

Everyone is under NDAs

GameGodOfAll posted...

Where ya getting this from? If she flat out lied about it being 4 grand in total...that's gonna be something.

Bloomberg is reporting it from "annoymous sources within Platinum Games" and are reporting they were shown the contract.

Just to add to this, apparently the "$4000" offer was for a Cameo in the game for one session of voice work AFTER she turned down the inital offer for the main role.

Which putting aside whether or not the intial offer was good pay, is actually a nice gesture. That was just pure fanservice.

I feel like I'm being counter productive bringing it up.

My point was bringing up bad things about Taylor and Hale and Hideki Kamiya's personal opinions/lives distracts from the actual conversation piece. Which is voice actors being low paid.

To me it seems like the people attack Taylor for being a right-wing Christian nutcase are missing the point. None of that is relevant to whether voice actors are paid too little or not. It's just mudslinging that does nothing but help the corporations.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

.....but all she did was say positive, supportive, and affirming things.

How can somebody take issue with this?

Yeah that confused me as well...

thx1138 posted...

I dont know and dont care shecis allowed to support anyone she wants, all citizens are allowed, honestly I never heard of her before this topic, how does anyone know the name of voice actors its not like they are major celebrities

She's been in the news recently due to breaking an NDA to publically criticize Nintendo for allegedly lowballing her on pay offers for voicing Bayonetta.

This controversy was so big Jennifer Hale (who replaced her) had to comment and Hideki Kamiya (Vice President of Platinum Games) had his Twitter account shut down.

That's why people know her name in the gaming sphere.

Also she does legit have a recgonizable voice.

Same way we recongize James Arnold Taylor, John DiMaggio and Nolan North

Humble_Novice posted...

She did?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/2/AAR2BsAADy9u.jpg

She did walk it back a little after pushback:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/3/AAR2BsAADy9v.jpg

Dragon posted...

Why did you say that name!?

I really don't get why people took exception to that scene.

The whole point was Batman had been fed propaganda to believe Superman is a threat and as an alien being is an outsider we cannot understand who is not human.

When he hears the name of his mother (Who was the Catalyst for Bruce's entire Batman life) and realize that Superman too as a mother who is the catalyst for his life and in his dying moments doesn't care about anything more than Batman saving his mom.... It makes Bruce realize that Superman is just as human as everyone else and pierces the propaganda and allows him to actually listen.

It's not the greatest writing in the history of cinema but it makes sense.

I feel like people who hate the scene just weren't following the plot.

And Jennifer Hale talked shit about kids with autism.

Doesn't really have any relevance to the issue of Voice Actors being paid shockingly low.

One of the first things demonstrated in the topic was that Platinum paid a youtuber $7,000 for hosting a kickstarter....

Michael Hollick got 100k for GTA4 and was mad he didn't get royalities.

I feel like you're being willfully ignorant for some reason

It's also weird that his defense is "Well companies treat people like shit constantly so we should just accept it."

Rather than rallying to stop companies from treatring people like shit

Sexypwnstar posted...

So she actually was offered $4-5k each session, so $20k for less than a week of work

MAN SO UNDERPAID

This is such a weird argument.

It's been established repeatedly that this is enormously low pay for the work and although we don't know the figure it's undeniable that her replacement is being paid signifcantly more.

Saying "Well other jobs pay worse" to attack Taylor and not to attack Capitalism is crazy.

silverpine posted...

"they wanted her to quit" angle is so stupid. hiring a different VA happens all the time. if she had accepted $4k then what? they're stuck with an actor they don't want?

Yeah for peanuts

You're forgetting that they paid Hale significantly more for the same work

I'm surprised she commented at all.

Because the game is coming out soon

She wanted the boycott she ordered to be as successful as possible

Heineken14 posted...

https://imgur.com/7Do2sbM.jpg

lol

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Yes, and you should check out anime. Its terrible what they pay their artists, considering the skill involved and time crunch.

Also want to add that this voice actor apparently was extra upset because the studio put out some BS message about her being too busy to accept the work, when the reality is that they were lowballing her and wouldnt compromise.

it's like one of my Japanese amines

Somehow I suspect if they made a Mass Effect 4 or a Mass Effect movie, Hale and Meer wouldn't give a shit if The Rock or whoever was playing Shepard signed merch.

I doubt David Hayter is losing sleep over Kiefer Sutherland signing copies of Metal Gear Solid 5.

I don't think Taylor has a leg to stand on here, Hale is still putting the work in doing the voice of Bayonetta in this game. She will have as much right to represent the character as anyone and if fans want Bayonetta merch signed, she has every right to do it.

It's crazy to me to demand that only you have the right to represent a character you voiced.

I'd understand it if it was a solo project or she created/drew the character herself. That would sting. But being mad that a new VA signs game cases, posters and action figures of a character they voiced? Come on.

Frankly she's being ridiclous.

To be fair even if Hale did know, she still did nothing wrong.

It's not like they lowballed Taylor BECAUSE of Jennifer Hale. All Hale did was accept a job offer.

She's completely clean in all of this.

Punished_Blinx posted...

The point about not going to her to sign Bayonetta merch is a bit of a funny area. I get both sides there. When you feel a sense of ownership over a character this sort of scenario would hurt. But I think instead of requesting the public it would have went over better if she just stated how it feels to have someone else replace for for every facet like this.

Like 6 different people have played Obi-Wan Kenobbi, are none of them allowed to sign merch because Alec Guinness is dead?

This makes no sense to me to be mad over that. Hell Atsuko Tanaka voiced Bayonetta before Taylor did. So by Taylor's own logic she has no right to sign the stuff herself.

YeOld3DS posted...

It's sounding to me like it's a stupid question, but who is Jennifer Hale? She does Peach right?

She's a Veteran voice actor. She's done hundreds of roles across TV and video games.

Perhaps most famously she's the voice of Commander Shepard in Mass Effect. But she's done a lot of roles.

She's not really "famous" famous, but among established VA's she's at the top of the mountain.

Zonbei posted...

, and its actually not that unreasonable

lol it's completely unreasonable.

Hell as someone in this topic already pointed out, they paid a random youtuber $7,000 for hosting a kickstarter.

https://twitter.com/FarFromSubtle/status/1581300616517013505

Hence why most of this topic thinks they didn't want her on the project. Giving her such an insulting low amount she'd have to turn it down.

You're shilling awful hard here dude. You're never going to be one of the millionaires at the top ya'know?

Zonbei posted...

, 4000 dollars for less than a months work isnt exactly chump change.

Do we know it's less than a month's work?

And secondly, "it's more than some people earn" isn't really a defense of her being shafted like this. Bayonetta's voice is undoubtably a huge contribution to the character and the millons the series has made in profit

ArchNemo posted...

That doesn't really make sense either though. They replaced Hayter with a movie/TV star who would be recognizable to the general public. Jennifer Hale is a well known VA, which as people have pointed out still doesn't make her very well known at all to the majority of people. I doubt even the majority of gamers know who voices characters they like in any given game, and if they do, they'd probably prefer the original.

Let's be real though, at the end of the day nobody is saying "Holy shit, Jennifer Hale is a voice in this? Day one buy"

Yeah I find it hard to believe putting Jennifer Hale in the game will move the needle in terms of sales.

She's only "famous" among the audience who are likely to be buy the game in the first place.

someone's been a bad boy

BigHentaiBoobie posted...

*hugs*

*hugs*

ViewtifulJoe posted...

Do they still have the same Dean Ambrose pic in them?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/6/3/AANwnAAADyIT.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/4/AAR2BsAADyM2.jpg

It's technically more popular than ever due to globalization

But man is it bland and boring now

I've been watching wrestling since I was 5.

I have a disturbing amount of pointless knowledge about it and modern wrestling sucks so much, it's not even fun trivia to talk about anymore ;_;

Talk about first world problems

The Rock's pecs aren't that big, he had surgery to reduce the size of them after years of steroid abuse.

ZangsBeard posted...

Sounds like you've got some sexual fantasies going on...

https://i.imgur.com/xvNJoVL.jpg

Sure the millionaire part would be sweet but imagine that hulking, shit-talking dude laying into you every time you did something wrong growing up.

Dude works out like 4 times a day, imagine getting up in the morning and seeing your dad in his underwear doing push-ups while you pouring your cereal.

Would be an interesting way to grow up.

That guy said "Sec-UR-AT-Tee!" like he was in a musical