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Supersex420 posted...

Nah, emotional turbulence doesn't not make you a playboy genius

So your issue is their status? Peter Parker is a teenager with no support network and no money. Moon Knight literally has a disorder and works in a museum shop. Shang-Chi is literally just some guy, status wise.

But also pretending being a playboy genius makes you perfect regardless of other character flaws and emotional turbulence is the dumbest shit.

Supersex420 posted...

Wow, yeah, it's weird that you think stuff like that detracts from my point

Make your point better then, because as stated it does. Are you talking specifically about their bodies being perfect?

Supersex420 posted...

I mean the movies

The movies where Tony Stark was a narcissistic asshole, Black Widow and bruce have relationship issues because she thinks shes broken, Dr Strange is ALSO a narcissistic asshole even after he mellows out, and Thor spends most of his run time being stupid, an asshole, depressed, or annoying? Theres a bunch more examples, but none of them are perfect.

Jagr_68 posted...

WTF could even have happened?!

This is awful :(

Hes 60. Median life expectancy for men is 70. So it could have been any number of things. A heart attack, a stroke. Hard to say, but its not that uncommon. People dont always look like theyre going to die when they die. Death is often sudden and unexpected.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

No, no, no. You're missing the crucial part:

Lulz so random humor is absolutely a part of the movie. I never said that it was the only aspect, only that it is an aspect. And it's an aspect that really strongly dissuades me from sitting through 2+ hours of runtime.

You're being hyperbolic. I am not the one saying that it's ALL lulz so random humor. I'm saying that it contains it as a significant element. Which is true, and I stand by that.

If y'all are going to give me shit for comprehension and presumptions, at least pay attention to the actual words I'm choosing.

You literally started out by claiming thats all the movie is based on the tiny amount youd seen. The context of that statement was you saying thats basically all the movie is. And now youre pretending like because you later conceded theres some other stuff over the course of a long conversation where everyone told you how stupid your initial take was, you never said that. Because you are physically incapable of admitting you said anything wrong at any point.

I think thats about my limit for bad faith bullshit today.

TMOG posted...

"I didn't say these exact words in this exact order, therefore I didn't imply them, either."

Look, Gob, just because you're not capable of parsing meaning and understanding subtext, that doesn't mean nobody else is either. Every one of your posts is you trying to convince people who have actually seen the movie that it's just a nonstop series of stupid memes because that's what the out-of-context YouTube clips and cherry-picked reviews told you to think.

I'm also not entirely sure that you know what a "meme" actually is following your posts in this topic, for the record.

The sad thing is he straight up did say those exact words in that exact order.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Nah. It's just not my style. Lulz so random humor wore thin for me years ago.

Where did I say its lulz so random humor
Right here. You cant even correctly appraise the things you yourself said.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

People really don't like the fact that I'm not into its vibe I guess. Idk. I'm just responding to people who address me and try to persuade me.

It would be totally fine if you werent into its vibe. What youre actually not into is an imagined vibe you made up in your head, and its that confident wrongness that tends to make people want to tell you youre wrong. Human nature and all that. (Especially mine.)

inb4 wow you must be really pressed you sent so many messages in a row when thats just the easiest way to reply to multiple posts on mobile

R_Jackal posted...

I'm on the "I don't understand the love the movie got" boat. It's legit just family trauma in the style of a marvel movie.

Not really at all in the style of a marvel movie. Im beginning to suspect people on this message board might not be very media literate.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

That's not what I'm saying. You're taking this a lot more personally than it is meant to be.

I'm explaining what my opinion is. Why I'm not interested in watching the whole thing. You guys are more than welcome to enjoy it. If it resonates with you, great.

It doesn't resonate with me. I never struggled with my parents, never had depression, never experienced a strong desire to escape my current life, etc.

Maybe that's why its messages don't really do anything for me. Its absurd sense of humor is fine for a short youtube video, but it gets very old very quickly when it's also trying to be serious.

it gets very old very quickly. I know this, because I didnt watch the movie. It also doesnt resonate with me because I havent experienced common human things and ALSO possess no empathy. And I watched a video.

Is the rest of this topic just going to be making yourself look weird and sort of sad?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Wow, the director told everybody how deep his own project is. That's surely proof that I'm wrong lol

It is in fact proof its not a meme movie, because it wasnt created to be a meme, which is what youve been claiming, that its all just lolz random humor. So yes. Youre wrong. Youre just also pathologically incapable of admitting it.

BigB0ss13 posted...

Alright I watched the movie again and I'm changing my rating from 8.1 to 9. It's a good ass movie

Nice! Glad you enjoyed it

MrToothHasYou posted...

I don't want to lean too heavily into a "pearls before swine" metaphor but you guys have spent the better part of a day arguing with a user who has historically demonstrated the intellectual curiosity of a cinderblock and I have to ask, why? Do you really think, even if you were able to convince this person to watch the movie, that they would come away from it with any sort of appreciation or understanding?

I aint spent the better part of anything doing this lol (its really very little time out of my day but youd be surprised how often people act like it must take all the time in the world to have a conversation here), but the reason boils down to boredom, stubbornness, and spite.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Nah, I watched a few clips directly from the movie. Saw a lot of memes and wackiness mixed with depression and nihilism.

It's exactly what I thought it would be.

director:

Writing "Everything Everywhere All at Once" was a foolish prayer to a cold, indifferent universe. It was a dream about reconciling all of the contradictions, making sense of the largest questions, and imbuing meaning onto the dumbest, most profane parts of humanity. We wanted to stretch ourselves in every direction to bridge the generational gap that often crumbles into generational trauma. It was an attempt to create the narrative equivalent of the Theory of Everything. A Big Data approach to myth-making. A post-genre deconstruction of traditional narrative. A maximalist's manifesto for surviving in the noise of modern life. And holy shit, these two clowns named Daniel were not up for the challenge.

Gob: I watched some clips, its a meme movie

shush your ridiculous little mouth Gob

scar_the_1 posted...

I thought it was a fun movie.

I can't for the life of me understand why people are engaging with Gob here. Just let him be. He started off by saying he didn't see the movie and that the humor doesn't appeal to him. Good. You don't have to convince him or anyone else that he's wrong. Just leave it.

Its less that the movie doesnt appeal to him that people are disagreeing with, and more that his reasons are nonsensical (when they're not straight up incorrect) and also nobody likes him.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I've seen plenty. I've sampled several different pieces of the movie and found it to be exactly what I thought it was.

When you test a piece of chicken to make sure it's cooked all the way through, you cut it and check one spot near the middle.

You don't eat the whole piece of chicken to see if it's raw or not. You can tell by looking at it.

I can tell by looking at this movie that it's not for me.

Its sort of more like you watched a YouTube video about someone else looking at a piece of chicken from a mile away and declaring its undercooked.

berlyman101 posted...

I just watched it.

It's a maximalist movie. Which is what some people would call a "meme" movie in this day-and-age. It's in the vein of postmodern novels in movie form where the point is not the plot but the experience. It's heavy in symbolism and often references other forms of media/art (like Ratatouille and Heinz Kiessling music ) as well as its own motifs (the everything bagel, googly eyes)
It seems like more conservative types of people don't enjoy those types of things so much.

It does wrap things up neatly with everyone going through some character growth but that's sort of incidental. I do think Quan stole the show with his monologue shots. Michelle Yeoh did her job as the lead.

I preferred The Fablemans but it was a solid movie. I think it took inspiration from Inception and definitely The Matrix.

The character growth isnt incidental, its straight up the entire point of the movie.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I watched the trailer, looked at a plot synopsis, checked the parents guide on IMDB, read some reviews, heard some input from people here (and on Twitter, YouTube, and other sources when it first came out and got huge hype.)

Short of watching the movie myself, I think I have a pretty good understanding of what it is.

I'm not interested in it.

Right, except a bunch of people who watched the movie are telling you that you dont have a good understanding of what it is and youre going nuh uh. I must be right.

which, to be fair, is how you act about everything, so at least youre consistent.

VampireCoyote posted...

but they watched a video

fucking lmao

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It didn't help.

But this video does a decent job of summing up what I dislike about the movie and its sense of humor. It's not 'exactly' the same thing, but it's the same vibe as what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHG8EfcA5c&t=0s

I don't 100% agree with that video, but a lot of the statements are true about cringe 'quirky' writing.

Im not going to watch whatever boring white dude complaining about woke culture this is my guy, just admit youre grossed out by butt stuff because youre got issues.

(its not exactly the same thing because you dont dislike the movie for its humor because you didnt watch the goddamn movie)

Temporal posted...

Reddit: The Movie

You did it. Against all odds, beating out many challengers, youve said the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread. Heres your award.

its fucking nothing

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I didn't say that's all it was. I said that its sense of humor is that kind.

I said earlier that it doesn't matter if the movie justified it. It's still "lol we're rocks, lol we have hot dog fingers, lol butt plugs and dildos, lol everything bagel"

Be honest Gob. Ive seen your uh.. views before. You saw the things going in butts and that was all it took for you to go this is terrible. The rest is flimsy justification.

doshindude posted...

I heard this movie was conceived in 2010. Then I read the plot summary and it just sounds like a less coherent version of Scott Pilgrim Versus The World, and I opted to watch that instead.

Scott Pilgrim should have won an oscar.

I love Scott Pilgrim but the two movies are wildly different. This is a weird comparison.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

And so the movie is absurd, wacky, and random.

"Haha now we're rocks with googly eyes cause multiverse"

"Haha now our fingers are hot dogs cause multiverse"

It's just... it really is that kind of humor. You can try to elevate it by saying that the movie justifies it, but that doesn't change the DNA of what it is.

The DNA of what it is is a good way to make it clear youre just saying shit.

HylianFox posted...

In modern games where it autosaves every couple of minutes, dying is only a minor annoyance than a major setback. And the whole concept of 'limited lives/continues' went out the window 20 years ago...

Whats uh.. the alternative? You get hit as many times as you want and nothing happens?

There's games with no death, but they dont tend to involve combat.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I can guarantee with 100% certainty that it's not just those two things. Sample size and all that.

Of course its not, theres many silly things. None of them are lolz so random humor though. Its a movie about the absurdity of life.

Robot2600 posted...

is it a comedy? i don't like comedy movies.

I mean its certainly humorous. I dont think Id call it a comedy though.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Nah. It's just not my style. Lulz so random humor wore thin for me years ago.

Its not lulz so random humor lol. At worst its absurdism. Which is sort of the whole point of the movie philosophically, actually, the absurdity of existence and how you react in the face of that. Sort of thematically hilarious of you to throw the movie out because you read a synopsis and saw two silly things happened, but you do you.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I looked up a plot summary and found out that they call some kind of dimensional singularity "the everything bagel." That, and the parents' guide on imdb telling me it's got people using butt plugs and hitting each other with dildos.

Those are two of the reasons I'm not ever gonna watch it.

Because youre incredibly boring? Weird flex but okay

BigB0ss13 posted...

was boring as hell to me but I hear great things about the movie. Should I try to watch it again?

10 minutes is nothing. Yes, try again.

littlebro07 posted...

Does it cut shit or is it just a Force FX lightsaber with an expanding/retracting plastic LED blade?

If the latter it'd be really cool for comic con

I feel like if you think about it even slightly you know the answer to this question.

Person in the picture is cute af, but you need to see a therapist vegy.

bigblu89 posted...

But people DO do that to the Kardashians, we're at the point where they are SO famous, everything they do get irrationally critiqued, whether it's warranted or not.

But I get it. You're not necessarily defending the person, but the situation. And why would you go to bat for an issue you have no real passion towards.

I dont see it, and its not getting posted here in five different topics at a time, so I dont need to argue about it. If I was seeing people act super irrationally, and had the time/was as bored as I am lately, Id probably go to bat there too. Im generally against irrational critiques (and I just BET a bunch of it is misogynistic so Id be ever more likely to go at some people about it.)

But yes, its less the person that matters here and more the situation. I dont really give a shit about will smith lol.

WolfFangHowell posted...

Nope. You can damn sure make time easier than you can make money. That's kinda how it works.

I I dont think you understand what time means. You cannot make time. You can find time. You can choose not to do other things and do things instead in that time. But you cant. make time. You can only use it up. Whereas money, whatever man. Lots of ways to get that.

The entire original point the other poster was making is that youll be able to find money later on, but making time for the things you care about and enjoy is more important now. I tend to only sort of agree, but your response of no you can just make time is weird.

WolfFangHowell posted...

That's a great way to put it, thanks.

You are being unreasonable and ridiculous in coming into a thread discussing Will Smith and being upset that people choose that thread to voice their view of the situation.

Fucking wild to think anyone would be "invested" in laughing at the situation.

This isn't the Wall Street Journal, man.

Thats not at all what Im upset about silly. Who would be upset about people choosing a thread about a situation to voice their view about that situation? Im in disagreement with and annoyed by the views, regardless of where they are.

Ive already clocked your shtick here and elsewhere though, lol. One of those people who says woke unironically, argues that working more hours is somehow better, and argues in bad faith, like this weird strawman.

bigblu89 posted...

I think we're talking in circles here, but I honestly feel you only notice it because you feel (by your own admission) more personally invested in the situation.

Because I can't imagine you have this much passion towards the literal daily criticism and vitriol hurled at the Kardashian family. You probably see it an just scroll by, because, unlike this topic, you feel no personal connection to it. It's just random strangers talking about random famous strangers.

Correct, I only see it and scroll by. It didnt end up being a topic of discussion in many places including offline in my personal life. As I said.

If suddenly everyone IRL and online was espousing an opinion about the Kardashians that didnt make any real sense, seemed to side with the asshole in a situation, and generally displayed views I strongly disagree with, Id be just as vocal about it. As I already explained once. You dont know me, so you wouldnt know that I tend to have this much passion for basically anything I end up disagreeing with people about. The fact Im particularly annoyed by the (almost secondary to the main thing) anti-poly shit isnt really relevant to that.

bigblu89 posted...

I dunno. I guess I just find it odd that you see it as anything more than a bunch of knuckleheads on a message board being catty about celebrity gossip. To the point you should feel any annoyance.

Like, do you feel the same level of annoyance when the topic of, say, Jennifer Lopez love life, and the criticism of her being engaged multiple times only the break it off?

It seems like youre taking this one personally because it hits closer to home for you.

Its not just here Ive seen it, if that helps you understand. And its not even just being catty about celebrity gossip. Its this weird deeper level of vitriol Ive seen.

I havent once denied that I personally care more about the specific subject of people shitting on will smith for being in an open relationship because Im poly lol.

That doesnt really play into the slap, other than that other people keep making it about that because they, as I said, seem weirdly focused on insulting him and his wife for their relationship. If people were being as irrational (and shitty) as they are here about Jennifer Lawrence, it was happening to the extent and the number of places this is, and I happened to notice, Id probably be arguing about that too.

Just_a_loser posted...

I don't think Trump threatens to murder his followers. At least, not in front of them. It's a bad comparison.

Voldemort would kill his followers to make an example of it. He is completely irredeemable with no remorse. While nutters like Bellatrix make sense, actually intelligent ones like Lucius just don't.

Trump quite literally said he could murder someone on the street in broad daylight and his followers would still follow him. He in fact did threaten to murder his followers (via covid policy, and then actively made sure loads of them died by implementing it) and they still followed him. I dunno what else you need to make the comparison work for you.

WolfFangHowell posted...

You can always literally make time for things. You cant just make money, especially later in life.

Ive got bad news for you bud, time is finite and were all going to die eventually.

Just_a_loser posted...

In-universe, that is.

Characters like Palpatine, Voldemort, Joker, etc.

Like, okay, for Joker he pays you. But then, he is just as likely to murder you and your whole family if you make a mistake.

Same with Voldemort. Sure he is strong. But hit him with a killing curse when his back is turned.

Palpatine would be tricky, with all that force sensitivity crap, but he isn't completely omniscient. No one is.

But why would anyone swear loyalty to them? They are as much of a threat to you as they are to anyone else. I would be looking for a way to get rid of them myself if I was forced into that life.

Look at Trump supporters, and you have your answer.

bigblu89 posted...

I dont think people are interested as much as you think they are. No one would be talking about Will and Jada right now if the Chris Rock special wasnt this past weekend. People have moved on to whatever the new celebrity gossip is.

You admitted it yourself, its not even about Will and Jada to you, its about peoples reactions to their poly lifestyle. But to a majority, it was just the latest in an endless feed of celebrity news.

Youre basically questioning why people care about the Kardashians, but as if you were a distant relative thats taking the criticism personally.

I think youre confused by what Im talking about. The question is why people care about their personal relationship. The reason is because people keep expressing that theyre very judgmental of them because of their personal relationship. It doesnt really matter that it only came up because of the special, Im not making the argument that people care about this all the time or are worried about it in their daily lives. Just that throughout this whole thing since the slap people have displayed that they really seem to have Thoughts about their relationship. Including in this topic. Usually extremely vitriolic thoughts.

Is it taking it personally to be viscerally annoyed when people are being unreasonable and ridiculous? Maybe. But thats not unique to this situation, for me.

A_Good_Boy posted...

The only thing that I notice about those other topics is that you're in every single one of them and arguing with people. Which is kind of weird how you'd be that active in those discussions while saying it's weird that people are so invested in this story.

But I wouldnt be in the topics if people werent so invested. See how that works?

Im not invested in their personal relationship. Really I dont give a shit about either of them. Im invested in being annoyed with/bewildered by how utterly silly everyone is being about the entire situation. Its everyones reaction that got me invested, not the situation itself.

bigblu89 posted...

On this point, it just goes with the territory of being in the public eye.

For right or wrong, everything is judged when youre seen as a public figure.

You just seem to be hung up on this particular one because its something you can personally identify with.

I feel you wouldnt be this defensive/supportive if it was just a regular story about celebrity infidelity.

Oh I certainly wouldnt have been annoyed by peoples reactions. enough to start talking about it here if there wasnt a poly element, (sensitive subject, the ridicule of polyamory thats very common) but again Im not the one who brought it up lol, and even if I didnt actively speak on it Id still think people would be acting ridiculous for caring so much about their personal relationship. People have issues in their relationship, people cheat, people talk to each other about cheating. Its the level of sheer vitriol aimed at the two of them over it thats so weird.

Dabrikishaw15 posted...

Zonbei I'm pretty much the only person that agrees with you here, but I gotta ask why you're still engaging with anyone on CE about this? They aren't exactly willing to expand their worldviews about anything.

Honestly, boredom and inertia. Ive got some free time during the days right now, and its easy to just click my posts and see what people have replied with. I started originally because I happened to be annoyed with how silly everyone is being even outside of CE. Now its just a self perpetuating thing where Im replying to people replying to me.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Who's getting strangely invested in it? Most people have moved on from that shit a long time ago and the only thing people talk about is the slap and what lead to it. Nobody ever talks about August anymore, cause that shit aint interesting and nobody cares.

You dont seem to be paying attention to this and various other slap topics, people seem quite invested in their personal relationship still.

Nobody ever talks about well Im certainly not the one who brought it up bud.