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You copy/pasted that from social media. I've seen that exact statement several times

tommybel89 posted...

Anime is pedo bait

This take doesn't even make sense and is more akin to just trolling.

BignutzisBack posted...

I found P4 to be a garbled mess. There was, potentially, half a good idea in there, but by the time the game attempted to get serious, it did so in what I found to be an overbearing, ham-handed, and clumsy fashion. P4's "theme," such as it exists, was buried so deep in the "narrative" (and I use that word loosely, as I was much more frustrated by P4's pacing than P3's, as P4 had a lot of "nothing/are all of you IDIOTS" happen for far too long) that it felt tacked on. The first third of the game doesn't support the ending and vice versa. Which is why I put quotes on theme: P4's biggest weakness is its internal inconsistency.

P3 had the advantage of coming after a long break in the Persona series, console upgrades, and a clear vision. Before social links were a divisive element in SMT fandom at large, they were an attempt at refining demon negotiation in a way that served the narrative of P3 and enhanced its themes. Everything about P3 -- the "reversed" position your social links start in to their growth to the "upright," the mythology used in establishing the cast, the first scenes (the very start, the first Dark Hour with the man turning into a Shadow, and the first summoning sequence) all the way to the end -- were lean, on-point, and engaging. There's nothing out of place in P3. The narrative is simple, but the game's themes are explored beautifully -- and consistently. Everything builds toward the ending, which is ... devastating, cathartic, and perfect. The foreshadowing wasn't dropped. The themes that had held the game together were fully brought to the surface and developed in the final moments, leaving the player to find their own answers. There was no "yes or no," "x good, y bad" -- the ending to P3 gives the player some credit as a thinking creature and allows said player to answer the questions in their own way.

P4's narrative is much messier, its cast divisive, and its themes... I can deal with the more "hitting the player on the head with the idea" moments in P3 because they're fewer and more organic -- they fold into the story. The ending is well-earned. P4's decision to get serious comes too late, feels oppressive and unnatural, and isn't handled nearly as well or with any subtlety. There's catharsis in having players contemplate mortality. There's much less catharsis in an ending of literal deus ex machina that follows the exact same script as P3's -- that trick only works once if you want emotional payoff vs. "uh, I've seen this before."

P4 had some interesting ideas, but they never cohered and were buried until the abysmal final act. P2 and P3 have flaws and, depending on your views, less fulfilling gameplay, but they were never condescending or haphazard. P4 treated me like an idiot, which is not something I expect from a MegaTen game -- or didn't, when I first played P4. (I do now, alas, with post-P4 titles. Not all the fault is P4's, but I'd say the MegaTen series really went off the rails there and hasn't quite recovered.)

An idea, a theme -- the existence of such doesn't redeem a work. P4 is the Philosophy 101 student or bad art house movie that pontificates about the existence of God and relative morality. If P4 had dropped its aspirations of seriousness, it might have been a better game. Shoving "meaning" into a game that breaks the realistic suspension of disbelief meter doesn't make it thought-provoking. That's what happens in any creative writing seminar in an attempt to pass off a piece as "literary" -- and it's one of the first tricks beaten out of any writer.

My problem with P4 is the inconsistency which you already mentioned. The reveal of the true killer feels half-assed, there's no in-game clues to it whatsoever, and Adachi's motives do not AT ALL match up with what little was shown up to that point. It's like the story was all over the place and they just made shit up on the spot with each new story beat. The hospital scene with Namatame when everyone thinks he's the killer is very tense and got my blood flowing the first time around. P4 didn't have enough moments like that. And on my current playthrough I can't help but notice that the dialogue can be very drawn out. Some scenes just go on for too long while every single character has to say *something* in the most drawn out manner possible, along with overused character "traits" like Teddie talking about scoring or hitting on the women in some other way, Yosuke being an asshole to everyone, etc

I loved the final arc though. The Izanami twist was ridiculously well done and about the only part of the story that is completely 100% consistent.

Irony posted...

4 is less of a slog than 5.

No it's not. Cope harder

saspa posted...

Anyone remember hiimdaisy's p4 comic? Now that was hilarious to an already funny game.

I have TO PEE!

YUKIKOSMISSINGYUKIKOSMISSINGYUKIKOSMISSING!!! oh hi yukiko =3

And I don't think Thor is the strongest. He's just the only Persona that gets Thunder Reign, the "severe" lightning spell (like how Surt gets Ragnarok). Pretty sure the strongest is Yoshitsune with Debilitate.

saspa posted...

Is it? Isn't Thor the strongest persona in p4? I remember using him exclusively. Especially after giving him stat boosting cards in p4g. He didn't seem that strong in p5 though I went in a different direction with my personas there.

Lol tc I played p4g like 5 years ago and slog is pretty much exactly how I described it then too. Weirdly enough vanilla p4 didn't feel that way 10+ years ago. But playing p4g reminded me how much I disliked the disappointment of a story, the Scooby-doo mystery just being some nonsense and then you factor in the Marie garbage and it's just unpleasant. The extra month added was the first time I was bored out of my mind and just going straight to bed so that the time would pass quicker.

I didn't feel that way with P5 the way some other posters did.

It is funny how much standards can change over one game. It makes me really seriously appreciate P5 a lot more than I used to.

The one thing P4 has an edge on though, is humor. The writers definitely nailed that, while P3 and 5 are perhaps a bit *too* serious.

I THINK they are just talking about the Guile stuff that you unlock after finishing both CC and Radical Dreamers. But if there is more people haven't found, that's awesome.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/0/AADqOLAAEM3g.jpg

Calwings posted...

This is completely wrong. Viz brought back the entire original voice cast aside from Moneca Stori as Kagome, who left the voice acting business entirely. They even brought back David Kaye as Sesshomaru after he wasn't around for Final Act and let Kirby Morrow come back and play Miroku one last time before he died and then the had to recast him.

Ah okay, not as bad as I thought then. I had no idea Sesshomaru's original VA came back.

And if you want a REAL hot take (no clue if anyone has said this yet or not): Attack on Titan is not that great, and the last arc is probably the best in the series. But for the most part, nothing in that series wowed me at all, and I finished the entire thing.

Video game-based adaptations are almost always terrible compared to their counterparts. Steins;Gate is pretty much literally the *only* one that got it right. They typically have very poor production values too, and you can tell.

Madoka is good but it is not the holy grail of anime. Not even close.

Fate/stay night stuff mostly sucks. I think Zero and Heaven's Feel are the only ones I really enjoyed.

English dubs used to be terrible but they have gotten a lot better over the years from what I've seen. Still, Japanese is almost always the way to go, because America can't let a voice actor's voice for a character stick to save their lives. It is always jarring and I get the impression even dub lovers don't like it, they just make excuses to "cope" with the change. And some shows still have terrible dubs, like Yashahime where several of the original cast was changed (that started with Inuyasha Final Act though).

Fairy Tail is a horrible series, and the only redeeming qualities it has are likable characters and AMAZING opening and ending songs. Logically though, it's pretty bad even for shounen standards.

Naruto is better than Dragon Ball. The fights are arguably better and the story is really good. The series has a lot of good and relatable themes.

SSJKirby posted...

He's very much in the closet, but at least he's not Teddy

Also funny you should say that; Yosuke was supposed to be gay or swing both ways at one point in development. There are unused voice clips in the PS2 version where you could romance him.

It's not a bad show, but could've been a bit shorter.

SSJKirby posted...

He's very much in the closet, but at least he's not Teddy

He's not Teddie. He's worse.

Makeveli_lives posted...

I dont want to hear shit about length, I beat golden in 40 hours and Royal in like 95.

The problem is Persona 4 feels like it's padded out just to make it longer. They made this even worse with Golden (but I LOVE Snowflakes, and the winter theme of January in general). The specific amount of hours isn't the issue.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

It's kind of the same in P5 no? Endgame is Yoshitsune, Alice and a strong magic Persona.

Don't remember, but you're probably right.

Oh, another thing about P4 is that Yosuke is a terrible character with almost no redeeming qualities, yet he gets more screentime than any other character.

It's primarily because the dungeons are a horrible slog, and the story is kind of all over the place. I also think it goes on far longer than it needs to (did we really need two or three "it's the killer" fakeouts?). And Marie is fucking horrible, as is her dungeon, but you have to put up with both if you want the best ending possible.

I also don't recall Personas having such limited movesets. Near the endgame, I ended up with Personas that were all way too similar to each other.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

It's an old Reddit meme. >_>

I know it's an old meme but you never know with the internet/CE

...why not just use a plunger? Is everyone here just trolling?

NOM posted...

No no naked lady would want to be naked near me and it's understandable.

What does this mean exactly?

I primarily stick to delta 8 and 9 stuff these days, and there's about a 50% chance I'll get the munchies but I'm good at ignoring them.

It's so SLOW. A package I was supposed to receive Monday didn't make it to my city until today, and from what I understand this is not an uncommon thing with them.

Nukazie posted...

camel better not get killed for this

Too late

I've had so much experience with this game I can pretty much breeze through most levels, cheats included. I always finish the difficulties in order and get the cheats for each level before moving on. Currently I'm on 00A Surface 2.

I'm really getting the hang of Aztec these days too. Feels nice.

DrizztLink posted...

Someone who has Egyptian unlocked, scrub.

Workin on it.

Who posted

I can host. I don't have Egyptian unlocked yet but that's about it.

SW-0860-3293-1721

Anyone?

DrewAllar posted...

Depression?

most depressed people cant fuck

Wrong

Kim_Seong-a posted...

Didn't Endgame have to do a "victory lap" run in theaters to take the top spot? I remember something about extra footage a few months after its initial run. >_>

Wasn't that Spiderman?

Solar_Crimson posted...

Exactly why P3 badly needs a definitive edition.

P3's Console Presentation + FeMC + FES content + All of the QoL changes that P3P and later games introduced

There are rumors going around that 3 is getting a remake, that is supposedly somewhat far along, using P5's engine. That same rumor also states P6 is currently in development.

I will let you guys know if I see anything else that sticks out. I've beaten this game so many times there's no way I WON'T notice when something is different.

It's really not a big deal though and certainly isn't worth skipping out on because of a few text oddities.

Doe posted...

That's referring to how you can press select or something and look at ads and fan content. The P4G game shrinks into the TV screen if you do. Ie the whole game is being watched on your TV in canon

I'm aware that's probably the idea behind it but this message comes up with absolutely no context whatsoever.

NeonTentacles posted...

WTF, why is it like this? The Vita and PC versions were fine. They didn't just copy and paste these into modern consoles? >_>

So this for sure wasn't in the Vita and PC versions either? This is my first playthrough in almost 10 years.

Persona 3 in general feels very janky in comparison to 4 and 5 no matter which version you play. Not being able to control your party in FES isn't even the only problem; the entire game is tedious.

I don't remember this either. How stoned were they?https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/3/3/AADqOLAAEItJ.jpg

My first time through P4G on hard and she is kicking my ass. My team is level 13 and I'm still struggling lol.

Archangel with Media, Bufu and Sukunda is helping but I am still running out of resources and she gets really aggressive about half way through. I don't remember what the Prince is weak to either, if anything. How did people do this on the PS2 original, where Yukiko had NO weakness? Much less on the hardest difficulty. I can't even imagine.

I'm definitely no newbie to this game, having finished it 5 or 6 times in total. I am definitely enjoying having to actually think to win fights.

People get way too self righteous about this kind of thing.

JK Rowling is trash but boycotting the game isn't going to change a damn thing. Shut the fuck up and move on with your life. The fact that consumers are being gaslit because of Rowling is pretty pathetic.

Oh I see the cutoff point was November, so buying them now and uploading receipts won't work.

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/celsius-drink-class-act-lawsuit-250-dollar-payout/

I have DEFINITELY bought a few of these during that timeframe. Now I'm about to buy several and just upload my receipt lmao

NeonTentacles posted...

WTF, those definitely werent in the original or Golden. It's like it was supposed to be cues for sound effects for the sound guy to put in, and they forgot to take them out >_>

Yeah this sounds like what happened.

NoxObscuras posted...

It seems like maybe they added it in to fill that space where you're just standing there listen to him leave and there's nothing on screen?

But yeah, that's a weird addition. That definitely wasn't in the original game lol

It feels more like an incomplete beta message that they discarded and it somehow slipped through the cracks during the porting process

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/9/AADqOLAAEIZF.jpg

Noumas posted...

It absolutely matters, Xbox/Microsoft ruined teh gaming!

But please take pics k thx bye (sorry I'm new to emoji)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/8/AADqOLAAEIZE.jpg

CanardElastique posted...

Plz do

Okay gimme a bit. It's the Xbox version, not sure if that matters.

At the very beginning when you first enter Dojima's residence.

The game goes out of its way to describe to you what Dojima is doing offscreen (literally just walking off), followed by it describing the sound of the door closing. Then it tells you the sound of his car engine. Wtf.

On top of that, the grammar for these sentences is very off. I'm pretty sure these were NOT in the original or even the first two releases of Golden. It's honestly kinda creepy, the way they read and the fact that they had a random inclination to describe such meaningless and mundane actions to you, and nowhere else in the game. It's almost like these two sentences are beta leftovers that were not proofread and ultimately discarded.

If you guys don't know what I'm talking about I'm willing to go back and take a pic. I've finished this game 5 or 6 times so I'm *pretty* sure these are new.

KCJ5062 posted...

How could the game overshadow the movie when it came out two years later?

When people discuss and remember GE, they are talking about the game 95% of the time.

It's a really good movie imo. It is the only Brosnan Bond film worth watching, and it still holds up today.

LukaDoncic77 posted...

wasnt there a video a few months ago where it showed that you can toggle between the n64 graphics and more modern graphics, or was that scrapped?

In February 2021, the scrapped Xbox Live Arcade remake was leaked. You can toggle between graphics in that version.

This "new" version isn't based off of the remake at all and is more of an upscaled port, in the same vein as the Wii U version of Donkey Kong 64.