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Last time I was in a similar situation scum just lied about scanning me and town lost.

masterplum posted...

Are we being dumb and its just IGCD?

Like he was in the final 4 when I was scum piranha plant and he tried more than this.

I don't even remember what game you're talking about.

Ok, so my biggest concern is we are going to lunch town other than me today and I will get lynched in final 4 losing town the game. So I personally think the logical play is to just lynch me today. This isn't any kind of woe is me BS or anything, just what I legit think is the optimal play.

I think Plum/Isquen are probably both town at this point leaving Lea, Death, Red. If I am dead today scum probably shoots between those three leaving the other two giving town a 50/50 chance at the very least. But if I am alive I think towns chance of winning drops significantly because I probably just get lynched in final 4.

masterplum posted...

I am tempted to policy lynch IGCD here yeah

One of my next steps was going to be to look to see if Lea was actually trying to get HB lynched and then it occurred to me that if that is the standard IGCD hasn't tried since D1

If he is town then he is going to be a pain in the ass at final 4 because scum sure isn't killing him tonight and he absolutely has nothing going for him to indicate he isn't scum.

I sincerely support lynching me today if we aren't going to hit scum. Having more players with more content in the final 4 is going to be better for town than hanging their hopes on me.

I dig it.

red13n posted...

I don't buy that you've actually read back the game, tbh.

Cool.

So then let's lynch me now because I really don't want the weight of final 3/4 on my shoulders.

red13n posted...

You didn't put any effort. You were like "rar BP means red is scum" but none of this is based on anything I've actually read about red in the game so you know whatever vote.

So yeah I'm going to shit on you for it.

You're right, it is based on setup because I think it is a reasonable place to look at this moment. You haven't done anything to convince me you're town so why would I give you any sort of leeway?

I claimed my flavour with my role but I am Ling Xiaoyu

red13n posted...

What a dumb reason to lynch someone. IGCD, master of game balance.

Tell me how I fit as scum and then try to vote me. You haven't even made a small attempt. Hell there is a decent argument to be made that of all the people in this game you have attempted to actually play the least.

"Oh hey guys you know that player we are batching about not making an effort, here he is making an effort but I don't deem it an acceptable effort so im going to shit on him."

##Vote: Red

as I said yesterday I think BP is the power that does not fit.

Death is claimed vanilla, right?

Zikten posted...

This also happened on an episode of Futurama.

One of the best episodes.

Shattered posted...

I'm probably misremembering the past then. Could have sworn when I had filled the raft off prio in the past that I didn't get a card but the opponent did.

The only thing I can think of that may have played a factor is the opponent played a 4th card on Raft while you filled with something like Brood or Mister Sinister. If you fill with that on the same turn that someone actually played a 4th card it would deny you the free card if you didn't have priority.

MZero posted...

Sorry I meant today specifically

you haven't shared a read yet today, which means you must be scum with me. I think we can still win bud

My read of Red comes from today.

MZero posted...

ignoring the fact that IGCD has literally shared zero reads

I think the fact that I offered up my life for Ulti, shows I was reading him town.

I followed Lopen which shows I read him town.

I've also pointed out that I think Reds claim of being BP is the claim that doesn't fit, which should be pretty easy to deduce I read him as scum.

MZero posted...

I would say lynch IGCD

I am much more on board with this at this point than having to defend myself or actually make an effort later when my lynch might actually lose us the game.

Mzero, did you get to pick what power you got or were you just given the first power that flipped?

Oh if red claimed bp i think his claim the most out of place.

So we got
Plum - doc
Isquen - watcher
Mzero - backup

Death - vanilla
Red - vanilla
Me - vanilla
Lea - vanilla
Abacus - vanilla

And the roles flipped so far are
Vanilla x2
Cop
Death delayer

Roleblocker
Ninja sister finder(?)
BP GF

Ninja role thief
Redirector

We are assuming one more for gcorp?

What did sister finder do again?

Isquen posted...

I imagine so, since the only other viable target at this point is you or they were testing out red, since
- Mzero, if cop, is extraneous if we presume Kazuya is a Godfather too.
- The others are showing as vanilla.

I want to late-game policy lynch Lea but my gut is acting up again.

##vote: IGCD

Watch was a dud today, nobody seen.

Fucking LawL

So we just waiting on what?

Ok?

THE Question.

red13n posted...

You want to read back all the posts in this game I made and tell me I'm somehow scum feel free. I fucking challenge the shit out of you. Have at it.

I was pretty limited with my availability but I'm reading back a lot of my shit because I was feeling on my game. Have fucking at it. CTRL-F "13n" and tell me with a straight face you can believe for even a second I'm scum.

If you can, go for it so I can fucking rip your face apart when the game is over.

Jesus, calm down.

Is someone able to grab the most up to date claims list?

I'd like to see a card similar to hiemdall but to the right.

That would be nice

LightningAce11 posted...

Let people enjoy things has done terrible damage to media discourse of any kind.

No it hasn't, there just isn't any discourse to be had when your opinion is, "X is shit." or "Anyone that likes X is ruining cinema."

Zithers posted...

tbf youre probably unconsciously grading on a curve on account of how bad movies are now

So?

Zithers posted...

what makes you think i'm not bitter... ?

the film industry has been destroyed ever since geeky manchildren won the culture war.

Sucks to suck i guess. I've still enjoyed many movies put out every year.

htaeD posted...

Oh so now I am Gcorp again?

I'd vote you back but I dont want to put anyone at -1 so suddenly

But two can play that game

IGCD this is your chance at redemption. You voted the wrong man last time, now is your chance to get it right!

I mean, we don't know if my vote was wrong day 2.

masterplum posted...

I just don't see the point in ever signing up for a game if the plan is to sheep the entire way through.

Like sheep D1? Sure. Sheep the entire game? Why even bother showing up

Because if Chris is town and I am town and he lynches scum day 1 and doesn't die why would I deviate from that plan?

I'm still waiting on Lea with her, baseball mafia/last scum game reread she was going to do.

EDumey posted...

This isn't a comment about this game, but IGCD, I think you and I just philosophically see the world a different way. I think the answer to "people mislynch me because I'm bad at articulating my reads" isn't "i guess i'll just never try again", and instead should be, "i'll keep trying to get better."
I don't know how many games you've played of Mafia, but people do adjust and learn to read players better over time. I think Sultan is a good example of someone who doesn't always make air-tight logical arguments, but people have learned to interpret Sultan and actually value him and the perspectives he brings a lot because they've understood him over time. But he comes in and tries every game, doesn't just give up.

I'm sorry if getting mislynched for your reads in the past has been frustrating for you, but I can promise you that this "I'm just going to sheep other players and never put myself out there" attitude is gonna end in frustration too.

Just because I'm sheeping people doesn't mean I'm not trying, I'm putting in the best effort I can to give town the best opportunity they have. Giving someone I know is a better player than me an extra vote is 100% of the time going to be a better play for town than me trying to figure it out. That doesn't mean I am not still trying to figure shit out, that's why you'll see pop in and ask seemingly random questions every once in a while. That's why I'll come in and ask for little summaries, because when I try and play catch up my eyes will gloss over reading shit, depending on who answers at any state of the game tells me how much salt I should take with summaries as I get them.

Considering my sheeping has resulted in me being on more scum lynches as town than when I make an effort to do what you're complaining about I disagree. Me making my own reads and trying to push those lynches results in me being wrong 100% of the time with being mislynched myself 100% of the time doing what you're asking results in a net loss for town 100% of the time. When I sheep I have a 25-33% chance of following the best player on to scum lynches more than 50% of the time.

Zithers posted...

it's also okay to voice your displeasure that a movie for babies will make $130m this weekend, largely driven by embarrassing nerds who want to soyface at references and easter eggs

No it really isn't, because all it does is make you look bitter.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

as anyone to recall a si gle game

*ask anyone to recall a single game*

As for what pro town things I've done, as anyone to recall a si gle game where I have ever been town that has done "pro-town" things, they don't exist because any attempt at being "pro-town" that the majority of you bitch about has always led to me getting into a massive fight with someone and getting mislynched because I am not good at articulating my reads. I refuse to put myself there psychologically anymore.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Kemmerer of a smaller scum team

Should be *member of a smaller scum team*

I'll also throw it out there that it is pretty clear scum would have had to of known there is two scum teams due to the Williams sisters why would a Kemmerer of a smaller scum team handicap their team to save another member of a scum team or town in that regard the play makes no sense from a scum perspective.

Also why couldn't I be town that genuinely believed Ulti was town? You talk about me not giving genuine reads but the fact that I was willing to give my life for a player i believe is better than me because I believed they are town is the most pro town mindset one could have.

EDumey posted...

You look bad in general for having a terrible voting record. Not wanting to lynch Ulti (I think you're likely not Mishima, but could still be G Corp who thought he was town and trying to gets points defending him). Sheeping all of your votes, even if consistent with what you stated you would do, is still scummy behavior, as it hides your real opinions and prevents us from knowing what you actually think. Frankly you should be lynched every game you try this "will gift my vote to the best player in the game" strat just to unincentivize you from ever doing it again, as it's not pro-town.
Peaf defended you out of nowhere in 4.108 so you have a bad association there and could fit on any scum team that includes Peaf. Red made a pretty bad "clear" of you in 4.437, so you could fit on any scum team that includes Red.
What pro-town things have you done this game IGCD? From what I can see, you've been anti-town at best, with scummy associations at worst.

So you, like plum, only believe my lynch is worth getting rid of "anti-town" behaviour not because you actually believe it is scum behaviour. Such a terrible reason to vote someone.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

So what?

EDumey posted...

IGCD I think you fit into several possible scum teams that I can concoct for G Corp, and at the very least Lea was implicating you earlier as well, Death is voting for you, so clearly not "everyone" knows it. There's just lynches with more confidence here first.

Unless you're G Corp with Lea or Death and don't consider one of their suspicions on you real? Maybe Lea if you're snapping back at Death like that? :thinking:

How do I fit in any scum teams?

htaeD posted...

I suppose when it comes to nillas my choice is clear and Kirby has looked the worst. of those with content (and Abacus the worst in general)

Though I still dont know IGCD is not brought up anywhere.

Because im not scum and everyone here knows it, the only way a person is legitimately going to entertain my lynch is if they are scum and looking for the mislynch.

Kirby321 posted...

IGCD I hope for your own sake that you realize I'm joking about sheeping you

Your loss.

Sweet the double vote has become the double voter. Hey Corrik, you want a triple vote? It can be applied anywhere except myself or Kirby.

I'm really tempted to buy Doom, but I know I should wait for Gambit.