Lurker > KanzarisKelshen

That was an incredibly funny game, ngl

Peak monkeys with knives popcorn

Not a lot to say about my play, since I didn't really get much of a chance to, like, play. Hopefully this is a lesson that no, you can't really bluff me with threats. I didn't believe for a second Red would make such a boneheaded play just to save face and I wouldn't have done things differently if I knew that he'd legitimately throw a shot away on someone he didn't think was scum. What is even the point, really?

But hey, even with that taken into account, this was a fairly enjoyable mafia game, so no complaints. Good setup from Han and great hosting from him and cohosts!

whats the best estimate for a timeline on the main game?

We want to take at least a few weeks to finish out the week 1-5 roster (we don't quite have enough mercenaries for a comfortable week 1-5 start for a full season's worth of teams yet), and build up a buffer of releases for the weeks after. Once that's done, we'll probably launch the game, so like...a month? Maybe? Probably a month and then an extra week because Final Fantasy 14's new raid tier drops right around the same time and I will take time off to race for a week 1 clear so I wouldn't want to give Mercs' launch any less than my full effort.

To our lovely players who participated in the Test Run, we would like to ask the following questions:

1) Was it fun? This is our ultimate endgoal. The TR didn't have to be thrilling from start to finish, but did you enjoy it when all was said and done?

2) What did you most like about the Test Run overall? Any part of the game is fair to note here.

3) Likewise, what did you dislike most? Any part of the game is fair game for this, and so is our job as admins if you think we need to improve on something.

4) How did you feel about the new systemic changes such as AP, Bounty Hunters and others? Is there anything you feel needs to be adjusted in particular, after the already executed adjustments?

5) Were any mercenaries too weak for you to bother with? Likewise, do you feel any mercenaries are too strong?

6) What is the strongest merc in the unbought pool, in your opinion?

7) Any additional remarks you wish to make?

Mewtwo59 posted...

Hold up, don't I win because I have the H2H tiebreaker?

The rules for determining the TR's winner are simple. Most winning team wins (no duh), and head to head breaks ties.

Eddv posted...

Wait what

Mewtwo is correct, and this means you are safe Eddv. Due to his 1-0 tiebreaker over Eddv, Mewtwo is...our Test Run champion!

We recognize your surpassing performance, and respect your skills, O leader of mercenaries. As such, we award you with the following prizes:

1) Automatic, guaranteed entry to the main game (or automatic entry to one person of your choosing, should you decide to gift it to another).

2) You may name one character of your choice you would like to see in Mercenaries, either a returner or newcomer. This character WILL come out in the main game at some point.

Your final standings are as follows:

1st: Mewtwo59
2nd: Eddv
3rd: JC
3rd: Boko
5th: Gravy
6th: Aria

(head to head used to break ties where possible)

With this, the Test Run is concluded! I will post a few questions for the players shortly, and we will begin post morteming the TR. It was a pleasure to admin this TR for you all, and I hope to see you again soon, everyone.

This concludes the test run...for most of you, anyways. Come chill in Results: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80392185

...'Cause we're all mad in here.

Aria defeats JC for the second time, asserting dominance in their newfound rivalry. He retains the better win record in turn. Both of their adventures in the Test Run have ended.

Mewtwo defeats Gravy, shattering his hopes of a 50% winrate, and putting himself in reach of the championship. Gravy's adventure ends here.

Boko, though unable to move on to the finals of the Test Run, stops Eddv's dreams of uncontested dominance (and a chill first week back at work). His adventure ends here, defeated solely by the two finalists.

Mewtwo and Eddv will wage one final tiebreaker match this upcoming week. Finalists, you may send in bids during this Results for the right to choose the tier the battle will be waged on. The loser will select whether they will be the defender or attacker. Good luck in your search for the lesser crown.

Assign EXP here, as normal.

So my thoughts overall:

-Having fought this team last week helps Leon and Kiryu a lot. They have an idea of what Zag does. They won't get cooked by lightning that easily this time.
-Zag getting hit by chippin in is pretty devastating. Declining health is something he is canonically bad against. He'll die quicker than most, even though I don't buy the Guan Yu spear nerfing his health.
-Number disadvantage is very real here. BJ and Zag are great, but not when enemies know their game. I think they get whomped quickly.
-Cyberdemon is an absolute menace. He's faster and stronger than Mega Man and so tanky that even the batmobile and Rock combined will take a while to kill it. V is necessary to make this fight consistently winnable.
-V is likely to join the team that has a cool yakuza punk in it. Zag has no time to go off and get V due to his declining health forcing him to fight at least some Lost Souls to stay alive.

All told, Team Numbers wins this comfortably I think. Solid outplays from Boko.

Lopen posted...

Like Doom literally has a Plasma Cannon and it's one of the better weapons there. Saying Mega Man doesn't have the output to kill a Cyberdemon is absurd. His basic weapon should be more than enough.

It's a low to mid tier weapon in Doom 2016. Unless you mean the Gauss Cannon? Which is uhh...kind of past plasmagun level. But like, the plasmagun is like your third weapon out of like what, ten or twelve?

Chaeix posted...

Serious question

is cyberpunk based on our history

would v recognize Batman

I think so (re: the former bit)? The divergence point is long after Batman's creation. I don't know if Batman comics are still popular or known at all in the year 2077 though.

V doesn't actually operate that solo, as a note. He has a partner from basically the jump of the game to the end of the first act, then makes friends throughout the second act, and in the finale only doesn't call in friends for a final showdown because he doesn't want them to die for him. He can cooperate with people just fine. Winning him over is relevant here IMO.

The Lost Souls operate under Doom rules here. They'll chase the team opposing the Cyberdemon (teams, in this case) but will strike back at Cybie D's team if hurt by them.

Mewtwo59 posted...

Is V a "shoot first and ask questions later" kind if guy? He won't necessarily attack on sight, so he's probably going to be dealing with the Lost Souls and won't bother with anyone else if they won't bother him, unless there's some evidence to the contrary?

Kinda varies by how you play things out, but I'd lean no. Quick on the draw, but not a mass murderer for no reason. I actually kinda feel Kiryu helps a lot there because someone like V would respect a badass of Kiryu's style.

As far as this match goes...mostly my question is 'how does Team Batman kill the Cyberdemon'. I have high OG Cyberdemon respect but 2016 Cybie D is a whole nother level of bulky. Doom 2016 guns are absolutely unreal good and you have to wail on it for minutes on end to kill it (I don't think it revives because Literally Satan (TM) intervened to do that, but it's still crazy dumb tanky). Nonzero chance it's so disruptive it lets Zag and BJ run game here. I think the Batmobile has the ordnance to kill it in a decent time, and Rock would eventually beat it, but it'd take forever and 'forever' is not something the team can afford while Zagreus and BJ are alive. If V takes their side, things might go a lot faster because hacks could reduce Cybie D's resistances a lot.

Eddv's argument:

This is an interesting fight.

Lets start with neutral party V - she is starting out on a terrain alone, surrounded by ghosts and is gonna be wary of just about anyone who comes near.

The terrain itself is somewhat unique in that the enemy start off in a box in the middle of the terrain and my team starts off outside the box with visibility on it. V being in the middle. This means V is going to be closer to the doors and already wary and paranoid as a result of the hostile ghosts nearby. This means there are really few good choices for Team Mega Man in terms of getting out of their box. They end up immediately in conflict with V in some scenarios and having to deal with Zag/BJ/Cyberdemon with the others.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/1/AAR9yWAAET9b.png

Zag is chipped, which does suck, but he also has the Guan Yu Spear and his full complement of lightning powers. He is able to send off spin attacks with the spear that create a spinning projectile and this, along with normal spear strikes does restore his health. He also is here with his SUPER LIGHTNING Eris Railgun, with big explosive shots that both he and Cyberdemon are immune to. These special shots are nice big explosions and also stack on demeters ability to slow people down to 50% their speed which allows him to get his heals in when he needs it. The Special is actually BEST applied by the chiron bow which after one hit with the bow allows a bunch of stacks of the special to fly in on homing arrows. This is still full Zeus passives so the lightning is still flying everywhere and the call is coming fast, and this is stupid sexy zag passives, so he can charm someone, likely Rock or Kiryu to his side pretty fast, especially since he has Lost Souls to build meter on before the fight and if he needs to, he can always retreat and Guan Yu some Lost Souls to get health back too .This terrain is like, all pilars and stone and if there's anyone with experience juking and jiving around pillars and handling hostile regenerating ghosts while focusing on big targets, its Zag. He has 4 lives to get this done and I think he can.

Rail:
https://youtu.be/S5Ld3rOkwXI?t=1885
Guan Yu
https://youtu.be/u1YxlO9B97Y?t=1141

BJ still has his "fuck you robots" gun but now its even better as seen here:
https://youtu.be/cGjLwIIAP2w

Its now more like a mini-bfg and post-upgrades his body can take a real beating. He can fight at range and the LKWs big flashbang effect and bounces can be used with impunity because his front line, the Cyber Demon, doesn't give a shit about friendly fire. He can also dual-wield miniguns with his new body and is he has to dual wield double Semi-Automatic shotguns.

Finally, the real star here is upgraded Cyber Demon. My man is fucking ridiculous.

https://youtu.be/GkWjN85RIPQ
Just watch this boss fight and the ridiculous amount of punishment Doom Slayer needs to put into him to take him down. Then look at his offense - rockets fired at a fast clip, good strong melee, a hail of laser of fire, Crescents of fire shot as discs from his hands, the ability to just conjure terrain to create momentary 1 on 1 matchups. You will also note that, like Zag before him, this upgraded Cyber Demon does in fact need to be killed twice in order to die.

Boko and Eddv is up!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80391035

Batman, Mega Man, Leon Kennedy, Kazuma Kiryu and RikaFurude have challenged BJ Blazkowicz, The Cyberdemon and Zagreus to a fight! Location of the fight: Tower of Babel - The scenario of Doomguy and the Cyberdemon's first and most famous clash. The flayed corpses of demons and unsettling demonic pillars surround a towering structure, rising high into the heavens. There are no resources lying around, but a few dozen Lost Souls linger around the area, hostile to all invaders. Attackers will start at the spawn point, while defenders will start at the Cyberdemon's starting point. Which side will win?

Guidelines
-The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
-The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of executing a prearranged battle plan.
-Unless stated otherwise, characters have access to their full arsenal of abilities and equipment. They may not always work at full power, however (e.g. a petrifying spell may have only a partial hindering effect not seen in gameplay or even fail outright against sufficiently powerful mercenaries). Use your own discretion.
-No mercenary can ever start in a location where they would die instantly, destroy the arena merely by existing in it, or end up ringed out of the terrain before abilities. If there's no room within a terrain to fit them, the terrain will stretch out until there's at least one yard of available, moving, safe space. Attacks may not damage the terrain enough to cause automatic deaths or ring-outs, save with a concerted effort.
-There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

Rules for Voting

-Bold your votes.
-You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios.
-Leaders cannot vote for their own teams, but they are free to argue their case.
-If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish.
-This match will end in 24 hours.

Leon Kennedy is as he appears in the Resident Evil series, including canonical supplementary media. He comes into battle with his two Wing Shooter pistols, his knife, a Lightning Hawk magnum, a handful of grenades and the Chicago Typewriter, all fully upgraded.

Kazuma Kiryu is as he appears in the Yakuza series, at the peak of his fighting prowess. He comes into battle equipped with three bottles of Staminan Royale, the Ama-no-Murakumo blade, Extremely Sturdy Brass Knuckles, a 9mm handgun with unlimited ammo, the Transcendent Body Armor and a motorcycle. He may use any of his fighting styles, Heat Actions and techniques as he sees fit, and starts the battle with full Heat, which will not drain unless used.

Batman is as he appears in the Arkham game series, at the peak of his abilities. He has full access to all of his gadgets and upgrades and may call upon the fully upgraded Batmobile for assistance, but none of his other assets are available. Feats from comics, even those connected to the Arkham series, are not valid. He is aware he is incapable of permanently killing anyone in this fight.

Mega Man is as he appears across the Mega Man series. He has access to his Mega Buster, his Magnet Beam, his dog Rush (and various Rush modes), the Double Gear system and all his weapons from the mainline Mega Man series, though Gravity Hold and Centaur Flash will share an energy pool and Flash Stopper will only have its lore effects and not stop time in any way. He also has access to his moveset from the Marvel vs Capcom series, hyper combos included, as well as a variety of weapons based on his defeated foes, allowing him to use Raiden's Murasama Blade and King K. Rool's Crownarang

Rika Furude is as she appears throughout Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. She has no equipment other than her school uniform and a mop, and is pretty much exactly as terrible at fighting as you would expect a ten year old girl to be. When Rika dies in a match, she will go back in time, and though she will retain her memories, no other mercenaries will under any circumstances. However, this power is limited: Rika will first restart the match entirely, then thirty seconds into the second loop, then a minute after that into the third (in other words, 90 seconds into the match), and so on. If the time Rika would rewind to is after her death, then she will be unable to go back and the match will proceed as normal. The rest of Rika's team will not be aware of any of this.

~VS~

V is as he appears in Cyberpunk 2077, as a Streetkid Legend who successfully completed the solo assault on Arasaka Tower. He will be able to see and hear Johnny Silverhand during battle but otherwise will be in top condition. He has maxed out Cool, Intelligence and Reflexes, and has all of their associated perks. He is equipped with the Dying Night, Johnny Silverhand's Malorian Arms revolver, a Netwatch Netdriver Mk.5 cyberdeck with all quickhacks, Optical Camo, Smartlink, Monowire, Reinforced Tendons, Subdermal Armor, all Cool, Reflex and Intelligence focused implants, including Mantis Blades and Warp Dancer, plus Satori and Jinchi-Maru katanas, Divided We Stand and Moron Labe rifles, Fenrir, Yinglong and Shingen Mark V SMGs, Ashura Sniper Rifle and Skippy pistol (in Stone Cold Killer mode), all at the highest possible quality level. He will serve as a third party in the fight, with no loyalty to either team, though he will not necessarily attack anyone on sight, instead acting as his personality would suggest him to act. He is not a valid choice of victor, and starts at an equidistant distance from both teams or as close to it as possible while beginning at a safe position.

~VS~

The Cyberdemon is as seen in Doom 2016, with full access to all of its attacks, as well as those of Tyrant demons from Doom Eternal.

Zagreus is as he appears in Hades, having completed a successful Extreme Measures 4 run. He has access to all of the purple upgrades of the Mirror of Night, save for Fated Authority, and comes into battle with the Spear, Rail and Bow weapons, in their Guan Yu, Eris and Chiron forms, respectively, with no Hammers applied. He has access to the boons of Zeus, Demeter, Zeus, Aphrodite and Aphrodite for his Attack, Special, Cast, Dash and Call abilities, plus all of the passive boons of Zeus to supplement his power sans Duo boons, all at their highest possible rarity, which will all apply as favourably as possible even if they would normally contradict each other. In addition, he may use Hades' call and Greater Call in place of his normal call as he sees fit. He has received V's Relic, and will start the battle at 50% of his max HP and already dying, his health gradually depleting throughout the battle as seen in the solo assault of Arasaka Tower. Though he may be healed, he may not go above 50% of his maximum health at any point.

B.J. Blazkowicz is as he appears in Wolfenstein: The New Colossus, in his Ubersoldat body, with his full arsenal seen therein.

Close match and I think this comes down to Mario having the wrong customs. If he had Star Spirits he could sleep Ridley down from the sky and this becomes a very funny rout. As is, Gordon dies as soon as battle begins, then Cloud and Ridley and Vivi fight Raiden (Vivi helps a LOT here with Break to either slow him down or freeze him in place), and Zeratul can pick off his support gradually until he's alone. It's tough, but I think team Double Dragons ekes it out.

Can confirm Cloud is the second best caster in FF7. He outshines even Cait Sith iirc, it's just that he's so far beyond everyone else if you're not casting and instead swinging weapons that he ends up in that role instead. This holds for 7 Remake too -- iirc, Buster Sword Cloud has more magic prowess than Barret and Tifa with their most magical weapons, though I could be wrong.

KamikazePotato posted...

Ridley is a loser. Raiden will carve him up in two seconds

This basically match comes down to how effective you think magic is against Raiden

He's got his Other M moveset. Any other Ridley version I'd agree but that one is actually legit.

Also, Cloud and Vivi have Break and Stop. Zeratul and Cloud will carve Raiden the hell up if those have decent effect against him, j/s

Things to note:

-Raiden has stinger missiles. Those are nice here, though not great against Ridley who is ungodly tough. Solid vs bahamut tho
-Bahamut is a oneshot guest star for one minute. Ridley is the only persistent flier here.
--Zeratul warp blades are pure psychic energy. They probably gib the shit out of pamela.
-Zeratul has to do a lot of carrying here to thin out the herd. I think Zeratul+Cloud+Ridley can beat Raiden but not with much backup.
-Vivi is lowkey really good here. Break is a potent-ass CC to hit Raiden with and let his mekee bots do things. He can stay on Ridley to cast safely, too.

That's fair and pretty reasonable. I have no scumbuddies so I am (was now, I guess) legit in the dark there. As far as your request goes, I think SBell is an interesting lynch but burning a shot on him is kinda stupid. We get way more info from actually talking that out than gunning him down.

If I had to shoot someone, Abacus is the obvious choice. You want quiet, they've been way too quiet and the number 1 way scum wins is by flying under the radar. I don't like this level of disengagement. It's ok to be delayed but 24 hours with one post is kinda HMM.

Gravy vs Mewtwo is up!

Mario, Raiden, Pamela and Gordon Freeman have challenged Cloud Strife, Zeratul, Vivi Ornitier, Ridley and Lady Maria to a fight! Location of the fight: Shakuras, the Dark World - A volcanic hell with a breathable (if thin) atmosphere and swelteringly hot temperatures, though it is perpetually in darkness. Attackers will start at the bottom of the Talematros Plateau, with defenders at the top, as seen in the Brood War mission Drawing of the Web, using the locations of the Zerg and central Protoss bases, respectively. Which side will win?

Guidelines
-The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
-The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of executing a prearranged battle plan.
-Unless stated otherwise, characters have access to their full arsenal of abilities and equipment. They may not always work at full power, however (e.g. a petrifying spell may have only a partial hindering effect not seen in gameplay or even fail outright against sufficiently powerful mercenaries). Use your own discretion.
-No mercenary can ever start in a location where they would die instantly, destroy the arena merely by existing in it, or end up ringed out of the terrain before abilities. If there's no room within a terrain to fit them, the terrain will stretch out until there's at least one yard of available, moving, safe space. Attacks may not damage the terrain enough to cause automatic deaths or ring-outs, save with a concerted effort.
-There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

Rules for Voting
-Bold your votes.
-You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios.
-Leaders cannot vote for their own teams, but they are free to argue their case.
-If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish.
-This match will end in 24 hours.

Mario is as he appears in the Super Mario Bros. series, with full access to all of his abilities seen therein. He has access to all of his Super Mario RPG abilities, cap suite as seen in Super Mario 64, Mega Mushroom and kart (plus one Banana Peel, Dash Mushroom, Lightning Bolt and Spiny Shell), and may use his Final Smashes from the Super Smash Bros. series if the appropriate circumstances arise without requiring a Smash Ball. Additionally, he is accompanied by Cappy, but may not Capture enemy mercenaries by default.

Pamela Ibis is as she appears in Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis. She is equipped with a set of endgame equipment and has access to all of her skills, including Physical Immunity, all of her Have Fun options and Immortal Body, which will only work once. She has mastered all the slots in her Grow Book. If all of her allies are defeated, she will automatically pass on one minute from the last one falling.

Gordon Freeman is as he appears in Half-Life 2 and its sequels, with his full arsenal at his disposal save for the Super Gravity Gun.

Raiden is as seen in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance with access to all of his weapons (save the Fox Blade) and upgrades available in that game, including the Murasama blade, as well as a full complement of grenades and stinger missiles.

~VS~

Zeratul is as he appears in the Starcraft series and Heroes of the Storm with all of his skills except Void Prison. During combat, his cloaking works as it does in HotS, invisible until either he attacks or is damaged, at which point it takes a few seconds of non-action to reactivate.

Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower is as she appears in her fight in Bloodborne: The Old Hunters. She may use any attacks from any of her boss stages as she sees fit.

Vivi Ornitier is as he appears in Final Fantasy 9, equipped with his ultimate endgame equipment and his full complement of passive abilities, minus all auto abilities except for Auto-Reflect (which he may dismiss at will but not reapply). He has access to all of his spells save Death, may apply Element Null as he sees fit and may perform Sword Magic combos with other allies as appropriate. Doomsday will not necessarily hit all enemies nor allies automatically.

Cloud Strife is as he appears in Final Fantasy 7 Remake and continuations, with full access to all his moves and Limit Breaks seen therein. He has access to all elemental magic materia, Deadly Dodge, Parry, Steadfast Block, Healing, Barrier, Subversion, Time, Elemental (linked to Lightning), Assess, Refocus and Bahamut, all fully mastered.

Omega Ridley is as he appears in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, though he may be damaged by non-phazon attacks and phazon will not irradiate anything just by existing. He has access to all attacks and feats shown in Metroid: Other M, Metroid: Samus Returns, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and Metroid Prime, in all forms.

(And sure, let's take that extension and talk a bit for now)

red13n posted...

If you'd like to apply for an hour long extension before I shoot you, I might consider it. But no more than that. Failure to accept this generous offer will mean I will just shoot you.

OK, so lemme ask you this then: Why do you want urgency on day 1 of all days? The day where we have the least info, no way back up our reads with any kind of evidence (at least this early on, maybe later in the day we'll have something), and the least posts to look back on? What do we gain from rushing in halfcocked today?

...Actually. Red, question. Do you want me to play with urgency today, or must I play with urgency today?

red13n posted...

Kanz. I don't joke around.

You were idle an unusual amount of time.

I will kill you.

I was dead on my feet the whole of yesterday, woke up at 3pm my time today, took a few hours to exist outside of the internet and then sat down to read stuff

If you wanna kill me, do so, but I'm not gonna apologize for a slow start while I was feeling unhealthy. You know I don't front about IRL stuff. I'm here now and that's what matters. We have a hell of a lot of day left to go. If you want my thoughts on something I haven't remarked on, just poke me about it! I'm not gonna disappear or anything.

Leafeon13N posted...

Kanz really isn't playing with much urgency.

If you're going to kill me, you can do so. But you're way too good at this game to just snipe someone randomly. I plan to do something before the day (as in uh, the mafia day obviously) is done, but I want to have a little more confidence before I commit.

EDumey posted...

Hello Kanz. I think I joined a CYOA of yours like 6 or 7 years ago. Time sure flies, huh?

Sure does. And now we're gathered again to find us some scum. Should be a fun time I think -- and I kinda wanna see what happens if I start pushing some buttons.

##Vote: Abacus

Does anyone know if Abacus is notable busy right now? Otherwise this is a lot of silence from them. Kind of a little too much silence for how long it's been since the day started IMO. I know people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, but we've had two deaths already. Surely there should be some remarks by now?

htaeD posted...

Man I havent seen Kanz in so long, I dont want him to get shot so soon

Hi death, miss you too buddy <3

So I was super on the fence about this match and could go either way, was thinking Eunie could split off RAY and basically take it out of the fight for minutes at a time with Ouroboros, which would make this a Crono/Sypha/Trevor/Aigis/TLW showdown vs scaredy DK, Bowser, Tails and Sonic and I kinda take the former to win that fight...

...But Mewtwo's right. JC's team starts in the capitol building, which is the ONLY place where the team could be and very obviously at that, killing Mewtwo and rezzing Eunie. And I think Mewtwo dies for sure, but it takes 5-10 seconds and a few more to rez Eunie and heal.

...And Metal Gear KONG has a fuckoff huge laser that destroys buildings. This would be a really tough match if it wasn't for that where I vote for Team JC. Really unlucky that they start in a building that can be blown up by a move that would never, ever hit the mercenaries themselves fairly trivially.

Leafeon13N posted...

Hey Kanz you have til 5pm my time to shoot someone or I'll kill you.

What timezone you at Red

I am less speech here

'well then'

OK, so I thought as much, ty for the confirmation Dumey

Leaning 'bad town call' here for Obellisk's shot. Not a huge certitude (I'm rusty and it's gonna take a minute to regain my detective sense), but it feels like the only real reason to go that way as scum is if you're smokescreening for your scumbuddies to fly under the radar, and that's too gutsy a move for me to buy ATM. Going for the simplest explanation as the correct one until proven otherwise.

I wouldn't say it was 'wreckless' honestly, more 'wreckful' lmfao

Regardless, what's done is done. People who've played recently, was Kirby a fairly prolific poster? Trying to determine if I think Obellisk made a bad town move or a smart scum one. Silencing talkers is how scum sews the game up so I gotta give this some thonks.

Hello beautiful people

Reads up on nine pages, sees a dead body on day 1

Y'all move fast huh

I didn't even get to settle in yet!

I'd say TLW is actually way more deepsy than Aigis, personally. Her basic move is shooting finger guns. His basic move is a rapidfire laser minigun. Bit of a power jump there. Like don't even consider the Fat Man here (which would really mess DK up in particular if tagged) -- it's mostly just that a laser minigun is very good ordnance and a weapon that would actually function against Sonic also. Great material to work with as a baseline, and moreso since TLW is actually tanky enough to sit in a Power Ring and reap the benefits of an attack buff unlike Aigis. It's why Sonic getting in on him is so value -- a slow, tanky, high dps enemy getting Cylooped and disabled is a game changer because I think if TLW bites it, Team Eunie is stuck relying on slow and predictable offense to seal the deal, instead of something more flexible.

SirChris posted...

assuming all of this is true, who is boxing the kongs iyo?

Not JC but I'd expect Eunie to mess with RAY big time -- probably stall it for several minutes while everyone else handles DK. There's precedent for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dQxH7ybHs

Basically expect something like this. Now if Sonic lives tho, this all goes out the window. RAY is ass against this kind of gimmickry but Sonic can waste it with sonic booms in a flash. So Sonic's survival is hugely important here I think.

Oh no Eunie is 100% dead to start

But Crono and Aigis can revive people so she won't stay dead after, however things go with Mewtwo.

Chaeix posted...

Tails' healing at a glance appears to require him to physically get up close and deploy a (destructible) medi-bot so I really don't think his healing is much of a factor here.

Sir, Sonic starts with his team

I think it is very much a factor for healing Sonic

What happens afterward isn't terribly relevant (though any extra healing goes a long way, obv). Just Sonic being, like, actually capable of fighting is the key thing is all.

Eunie is, I'm given to believe, super good against RAY so the 'what happens if it levels the building' thing isn't as much of an issue as it seems. As I recall, Xenoblade characters fight giant robots on the regular? And JC's mentioned that Eunie has a limitlessly stacking damage buff as long as she doesn't miss shots, which she won't against RAY. A 500%+ Sacred Ray shot is going to make it deeply unhappy, regen or no regen.

...This said, I had honestly forgotten Tails had healing. HMMMMM. I don't think Mewtwo lives at all (we have video examples of what happens when a Mewtwo is decked and it's at least a few seconds of stun, which it cannot afford against TLW just popping a tribeam repeater and ventilating it), but Sonic probably survives and gets back to fighting shape and that plugs a lot of holes in Team Kong's composition. We're talking about a team of gunners. Against Sonic. That's a very, very bad matchup right there. Can Bowser, Tails, RAY, DK and Sonic eke it out against Eunie, Crono, Trevor, Sypha, Aigis and TLW? I'm not sure. It's a very tricky matchup.

Sonic is remarkably tanky as of Frontiers. It's possible he survives (though unlikely -- call it a 25% shot in my head?), but if he does he's in bad shape and will not be able to fight very well at all. Mewtwo's survival or death is critical for this reason -- if he escapes, both Mewtwo and Sonic can survive and get back to fighting shape and then this match is crazy even. If he doesn't, neither is worth a damn and it's a team of monster killers against giant monsters, which is a bad matchup.

Chaeix posted...

serious question and possible feedback for admins

'regen as seen in final fantasy' is extremely ambiguous and i have no idea how to quantify it because looking at the wiki, there's quite a range

We'll see what we can do post TR. Not too difficult to clarify it.

JC's argument:

The Terrain - The Capitol

My team starts just inside the Capitol, and the attackers probably start around the position in the image below - if not a bit further back from the building. The important part of the arena is the approach with the trenches, as my team will recognize fighting in the open is needed against DK and RAY. The trenches and tunnels provide my team extremely good cover to duck in and out of, given their mobility. It's a really advantageous open battlefield to fight against a large Mech in.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/4/6/AAM0NeAAETxK.jpg

Anyways, on to the rest of the match. Let's start with the Start of Battles.

• Mewtwo has been Suplex'd, and is starting on the ground on his back beside my team, hurt and unbuffed against my team. He gets CC'd immediately by Sypha or whoever else, and is taken out quickly. I think Mewtwo's actually pretty dazed from the Suplex, it looks like it has a pretty thin neck. Ouch.
• Eunie has been Banana Slamma'd. She is dead. But she gets revived once Mewtwo has been dealt with.
• Aigis has been Psychic'd by Mewtwo. She heals it off quickly once Mewtwo has been dispatched. She's also tracking Mewtwo but that's mostly irrelevant.
• Sonic has been hit by Fulminating Belmont - a combo of Luminaire and Trevor's Grand Cross. We all know Luminaire. But what you don't know is Grand Cross! Long story short, he's dead. Timestamp 1:06 if it doesn't go automatically: https://youtu.be/0eKbtxrMGnU?t=66
• DK is paranoid and will do whatever it takes to preserve his life. This does not bode well for DK. It effectively leaves RAY against my team.
• RAY has been given regen. This is slightly annoying, but not fatal by any means.

From my view, the match is now Bowser, RAY, Tails, and DK (Paranoid) vs. Ouroboros Eunie/Taion, Aigis, Goku, Crono, Trevor, and Sypha. RAY in particular is a merc that relies on a lot of splash damage, so I don't think DK will be anywhere near the fight. I think he ends up being the last man standing and is just ganged up on by my team once RAY is taken out eventually.

Once Mewtwo is dead and my team has revived Eunie, healed, and buffed, they rush outside to snipe from a distance. RAY is probably fairly close now, but it's not really too much of an issue. Eunie/Taion run interference and fire large laser cannons at RAY when not distracting with clones. TLW has a Stealth Boy and can go invisible at the start of the engagement, preparing to lob his 3 Mini Nukes at RAY. With VATS, and a distracted and possibly CC'd (Sypha's ice is still super strong) he won't miss. He then sits back and peppers it with gatling lasers and any other combination of his strongest weapons.

Trevor and Crono are likely enough to deal with Bowser and Tails quickly while RAY is distracted by Eunie and Aigis. Sypha may lend a hand given that she's incredibly mobile.

Aigis likely resorts to using Freidyne to damage RAY, and then once the rest of my team is freed up to help out, RAY really can't do much even with its regen. She keeps RAY's defenses debuffed as well. Maybe throws out a few revives, but likely not super needed here.

Eunie is a Full Metal Jaguar and has Violent Streak and Blossom Dance when she's no longer in Ouroboros, which allow her to attack with armor-piercing damage. A large mech is also an excellent opponent for FMJ Eunie because it makes it easy for her to land shots and stack her damage to up to +255% or something like that. Don't quote me on the exact number but it's around there. She also has Power Ring, a damage buff field, as well as Vortex, which does AoE damage and heals her and any other nearby allies.

Also I desperately want to imagine Sypha impaling REX like this: https://youtu.be/fgF1bdliFKs?t=119 (Timestamp 1:59)

Anyways the jist of the fight is that Sonic and Mewtwo die immediately, DK won't fight, and my team can whittle RAY down because they have a lot of interference and Goku will take it down fairly quickly.

Aria vs JC is up!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80388800

Tails, Mewtwo, Donkey Kong, Metal Gear KONG, Bowser and Sonic have challenged Eunie, Crono, Trevor Belmont and Sypha Belnades, Aigis and Goku Kong to a fight! Location of the fight: The Capitol Building - The location where the United States Congress convened before the bombs dropped on Fallout's version of the USA. The building has fallen on hard times but is still navigable, and the trench network leading up to it provides ample cover for would-be infiltrators. No enemies or NPCs are present, and the turrets may not be activated. Attackers will start in the area overlooking the trenches by the Mall (which is inaccessible past the overlook), while defenders will start inside the conference hall, near the west entrance. Which side will win?

Guidelines
-The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
-The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of executing a prearranged battle plan.
-Unless stated otherwise, characters have access to their full arsenal of abilities and equipment. They may not always work at full power, however (e.g. a petrifying spell may have only a partial hindering effect not seen in gameplay or even fail outright against sufficiently powerful mercenaries). Use your own discretion.
-No mercenary can ever start in a location where they would die instantly, destroy the arena merely by existing in it, or end up ringed out of the terrain before abilities. If there's no room within a terrain to fit them, the terrain will stretch out until there's at least one yard of available, moving, safe space. Attacks may not damage the terrain enough to cause automatic deaths or ring-outs, save with a concerted effort.
-There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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-This match will end in 24 hours.

Bowser is as he appears in Mario & Luigi: Bowsers Inside Story, equipped with the Wicked Shell, Vampire Band, and Special Fangs X, though at his Super Mario Odyssey size. He may freely summon minions for Brawl Attacks, but only to perform the attacks, and cannot enlarge himself further or vacuum up abilities. He also has access to all abilities shown in Super Mario RPG, Super Mario Odyssey, and Super Mario 64, and may summon and use the Koopa Clown Car at will (though he only has one and it contains no minions or other weapons).

Sonic the Hedgehog is as he appears in Sonic Frontiers with all of his skills and abilities unlocked and all parameters fully maxed, as well as a max complement of rings. He may not transform into Super Sonic, but may use any other abilities freely as the situation demands. He will start the fight in a Power Boost state.

Mewtwo is as it appears in Pokken Tournament, with all of its moves as well as those from Shadow Mewtwo in the same game, and is capable of a synergy burst on its own. It has all feats and powers demonstrated by Mewtwo in Detective Pikachu (both the game and film), aside from anything to do with swapping souls or consciousness, as well as its entire natural learnset from Pokemon: Lets Go Pikachu and Eevee and the move Psystrike. Teleport may only warp Mewtwo, and only to locations it has already seen in todays battle. They will start the battle next to Aigis' team on their back, having been hit by a belly to back suplex from her, damaging them.

Metal Gear KONG is as it appears in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, with full access to all of its attacks and in top condition. It is under a permanent Regen effect, as seen in the Final Fantasy series.

Tails is as he appears in the Sonic series. He has access to all of his equipment from Sonic Battle and Tails Adventure, all of his POW moves from Sonic Chronicles, and may call down the Tornado-01, as it appears in Sonic Unleashed, with his Tails Electric. The Tornado is considered to be flying about three seconds behind his teams starting location.

Donkey Kong is as he appears in Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, at Platinum Crest level. He also has access to his Mario + Rabbids: Donkey Kong Adventure skills and Golden Gyre, Smash Ultimate moveset, and his fully-upgraded coconut gun and 10 orange grenades from Donkey Kong 64. He is 250% bigger, faster (in movement speed and reflexes) and stronger too. He has panicked, and will be constantly paranoid of his own mortality and looking to preserve his life however possible.

~VS~

Eunie is as she appears in Xenoblade Chronicles 3. She is a Full Metal Jaguar at its highest level, with access to all of its arts and skills, as well as Power Ring, Blossom Dance and Vortex. She is may interlink with Taion at Level 3 whenever she wants, provided her Ouroboros is not on cooldown. Both Eunie and Taion are considered to have maxed-out Spirit Trees. Taion is not present, except for the purpose of interlinking with Eunie. She has been hit by DK's full power Giant Punch, damaging her and knocking her back.

Goku Kong, the Lone Wanderer, is as s/he appears in Fallout 3 and its DLCs. He is equipped with T-51b Power Armor (with a matching helmet), Callahan's Magnum, silenced 10mm pistol, Reservist's Rifle, Vengeance, Eugene, Firelance, Tri-Beam Laser Rifle, Jingwei's Shocksword, Shishkebab, one Stealth Boy, and the Fat Man with 3 Little Boy mini-nukes. He is accompanied by Dogmeat and is considered to have the Almost Perfect perk, fully maxed out skills, and well as a full collection of Vault Boy bobbleheads.

Crono is as he appears in Chrono Trigger's latest version, with a set of full endgame equipment and access to all his techs. He may perform combination techs with his allies should the situation demand it. He has performed the Fulminating Belmont dual tech, based on his Luminaire and Trevor Belmont's Grand Cross, hitting Sonic and damaging him.The dual tech's effect is up to interpretation, but will never be less damaging or helpful than the sum of each technique or spell's individual effects.

Aigis is as she appears in Persona 4 Arena Ultimax with all of her moves available. Pallas Athena also has all of her skills and properties from Persona 3 and Persona Q2 available. She must actively focus to apply the effects of Aegis Shielding, but it will always trigger if she does so. She has been hit by Mewtwo's Psychic, damaging her. She will be constantly aware of Mewtwo's positioning throughout the fight and will prioritize taking them down if possible. She will be extremely dizzy and nauseous for 30 seconds at the start of the battle.

Trevor Belmont is as he appears in Castlevania: Curse of Darkness and the Castlevania Netflix anime. He has access to all of his sub-weapons, as well as all feats demonstrated in the pachislot games and the Grand Cross spell. Trevors Time Stop only affects himself.

Sypha Belnades is as she appears in the Castlevania Netflix anime. She has access to all techniques shown by Fake Sypha in Portrait of Ruin, as well as all her attacks and abilities from Castlevania Judgement, though she may only revive Trevor.

As a note, Joshua does have healing (and Estelle has regeneration). So if you feel they're gassed after, so long as they're not dead, they can bounce back. Overall, I take Joshua and Estelle, but it's close and a lot of it has to do with the fact that this terrain has ways to isolate enemies that I don't think Link and Alucard can get through in a reasonable amount of time. Huge iron walls are a challenge to break through even for mercs of their caliber, and two 2v1s are not something they can surmount. Put this match in Dracula's Castle and I vote the other way.

Lopen posted...

4 turns? Yeah that's not that great really.

I feel like Alucard just dunks on them when the stuff wears off honestly. Link honestly might too. Really not getting the hype here. Like what's setting them above generic RPG protags here. What does Joshua have that puts him above say Lloyd Irving.

Well, comparing Joshua to Lloyd for a sec...

-Kratos is much weaker than Loewe, if we're comparing enemies they dueled and beat. Kratos has no feats to his name, whereas Loewe could fight and subdue the dragon Ragnard singlehandedly, who was so powerful it could casually wreck a major city if not stopped, could take on armored divisions with tanks solo and crush them, and of course clowns on the party repeatedly even while massively holding back.

-Lloyd's strongest tanking feat is taking a mega buster shot to the back. Joshua's is taking a limit break, unless you think his team found a way to no-sell it outright.

-Shadow clone jutsu stuff. They're not illusions, they're actually real and can hurt you. Lloyd has nothing that lets him be in multiple places at once.

-Just a ton of lore hype comparatively. Joshua was one of the Enforcers, agents of the evil conspiracy of the Trails world. They're also known as Legions, because each one is considered to be worth an army of regular (orbally augmented) soldiers. Though less combat focused than the other enforcers, as he specialized in guerilla tactics and espionage, he's still considered to be in their weight class, and proves it when he duels Loewe. In subsequent post-Sky series games, Joshua and Estelle also show up and casually oneshot enemies that the party is struggling with dealing with (the Zero/Azure cast is much, much more 'normal dudes' overall than Josh and Estelle are after their adventures are concluded). They also fight a gigantic mecha known as an Aion, who is capable of warping space and time singlehandedly and drive it back. Again contrasting that series' current party, it takes all of the current protagonists working together to stalemate one of them temporarily while getting super gassed, and then another mecha has to self-destruct on the enemy they're fighting to actually bring it down. The story takes pains to emphasize that Joshua and Estelle are beyond more normal characters after their own games conclude.