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Hell yes.

To say I loved Terrifier 2 would be an egregious understatement. Normally I don't enjoy slasher films (unless you consider Alien or The Thing to be slashers), and slasher sequels have a nasty reputation for being cheap, lazy cash-ins.

Terrifier 2, however, was the real deal. When I watched it on opening night, I was gripped for the entirety of its 2-hour-16-minute runtime, which shouldn't be possible considering that the genre usually can't sustain my interest for 90 minutes. But as you mentioned, the mixing of genres worked incredibly well here. From the opening scene with Art's hallucination, I knew this thing was about to get weird, and it did so in the best possible way.

The movie does an amazing job of letting the viewer engage with their Id (Art is such a charismatic and funny monster) while also giving us a sister-brother pair that are legit worth rooting for. Sienna's dedication to her costume and her sadness over losing her father won me over. When she fought Art, it was the turning point where I finally didn't want him to have his twisted fun.

Surprisingly, I didn't have a problem with the fantasy/superhero elements. This movie (and Terrifer 1) established that Art was essentially a supervillain immune to death, and because of that, I was able to buy into the idea that someone like Sienna could survive death with the help of an enchanted sword. There's a clear supernatural element throughout the story, and it connects back to Sienna's father in a way that I imagine will be explored in Terrifier 3. While some might see Sienna as a "chosen one," I see her as someone who earns the opportunity to be chosen through persistence, mental/physical toughness, and family love.

Overall, an amazing movie. Easily the best slasher sequel I've ever seen, and probably my favorite slasher, period. David Howard Thornton is simply too good.

Vis

Mr. Pink is the best character in the movie, because hes energetic, but hes also trying to be rational throughout the course of the film. Everyone else plays emotionally (or psychotically), and it leads to their downfall. You only guy who plays it smart is also the only one who manages to escape with his blood still securely inside his body.

Good catch. I overlooked the "rational vs. emotional" theme at play. It's almost like a horror film where the people who commit a sin die while the people who display the right virtue survive.

Mr. Green (Seginus) and Mr. Red (Tangy) escape with the money this time. Down to six left!

Vegas Odds on #6:

+500 City of God
+500 The Departed
+800 The Godfather Pt. II
+1200 Goodfellas
+1200 Pulp Fiction
+1500 The Godfather

Leaderboard:

1. Inviso $3000 (+500 Gangster No., +1500 The Irishman, +500 White Heat, +500 Carlito's Way)
2. Fortybelowsummer $2750 (+750 Sicario, +1000 Gangs of New York, +500 White Heat, +500 Carlito's Way)
3. BetrayedTangy: $2500 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 White Heat, +750 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, +650 Reservoir Dogs)
4. PokeWars: $2200 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 Gangster No. 1, +600 Scarface (1932), +500 Carlito's Way)
5. SSBM: $1000 (+1000 Gangs of New York)
6. Seginus: $650 (+650 Reservoir Dogs)
7. Mythiot: $500 (+500 Carlito's Way)

(12) Psychonauts - 22
(21) Castlevania: Circle of the Moon - 16

(13) Super Monkey Ball 2 - 22
(20) Ico - 17

Pains me to see my favorite GBA Vania drop in round one, but Monkey Ball 2 is an underrated classic. Melee aside, there was no better party game back then.

Neocrimson posted...

Sun
Kotor

You know you've got a loaded Gen when KotoR is a 14-seed.

Nominate Telltale's Walking Dead: Michonne

6.2/10

I liked Javi and the subplot with his brother, but everything else was was brutally forgettable, especially the rest of the cast.

This one also strayed too far from Clem's storyline for its own good.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

I could spend an entire day just playing MGSV with no actual story progression, just interacting with its systems is a joy, even though I typically despise open world games.

Yeah, I hate open world games but loved MGSV. Like you mentioned, the systems were tight and the map had a sense of cohesiveness to it that most open worlds lack.

Castlevania
Monkey

Also, not a bad showing for Silent Hill 4. Avoiding a doubling from a Nintendo game is better than I expected (I nom'd SH4 and was surprised it made the bracket).

seginus
I think trading the genre's usual anti-hero for an anti-villain really works here.
plasma
we get a character who might best be described as an anti-villain.

Greats minds.

ssbm
It's really interesting, watching the intro scene again where Carlito monologues in court. You would think Carlito is just BSing, but no, he's completely honest. And Dave, who looks more reasonable, just ends up being completely unreasonable by the end.

That why this movie won me over so strongly. He's initially characterized as a wild man, then you see this humble guy who sticks by his word. Integrity shines brightly in a project like this.

Tangy
I think I also love the pacing here too. It does all these soft builds, where you see the tension rising, but Carlito always worms his way out of danger. By the time we reach the finale however, its non stop.

You nailed it with the "soft builds" part. I couldn't quite figure out why I loved the pacing so much, but this is it. There's tension, then release, and not until the end does the movie truly pop.

Carlito finally pays out for everyone who hammered it over the past few days. Poke, Vis, Forty, and Myth collect $500 apiece, and Poke hops into 3rd place.

Vegas Odds on #7:

+650 Reservoir Dogs
+650 City of God
+650 The Departed
+900 The Godfather Pt. II
+1500 Goodfellas
+1500 Pulp Fiction
+2000 The Godfather

Leaderboard:

1. Inviso $3000 (+500 Gangster No., +1500 The Irishman, +500 White Heat, +500 Carlito's Way)
2. Fortybelowsummer $2750 (+750 Sicario, +1000 Gangs of New York, +500 White Heat, +500 Carlito's Way)
3. PokeWars: $2200 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 Gangster No. 1, +600 Scarface (1932), +500 Carlito's Way)
4. BetrayedTangy: $1850 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 White Heat, +750 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels)
5. SSBM: $1000 (+1000 Gangs of New York)
6. Mythiot: $500 (+500 Carlito's Way)

4 easily. The pacing is awful and the game's chapter-by-chapter structure makes it feel so disjointed.

3 > 2 > Twin Snakes > 5 > 4

fortybelowsummer posted...

Anyone that ranked Snatch low: Do you know what nemesis means?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgmFDjA8lxU

SSBM_Guy posted...

Part of me wonders if Lock and Snatch got so high because they're a breath of fresh air compared to all the other movies.

Doesn't explain why Miller's Crossing landed in the 20s though. I expected MC, Lock, and Snatch to all land within ten spots of each other but that wasn't the case.

Nominate System Shock 1.

I haven't played it but I'm curious if I should play 1 before 2.

Johnbobb posted...

very slight change to the totals, but not enough to significantly change anything

36
62
81
92
108
127
129
130
136 - Snatch
147 - Casino

Three points separated #8 and #6. Next few reveals should be fun.

Once again, nobody took the easy money. Back-to-back wins for the House as we enter the final eight!

Vegas Odds on #8:

+500 Carlito's Way
+600 City of God
+750 Reservoir Dogs
+900 The Departed
+1000 The Godfather Pt. II
+2000 Goodfellas
+2000 Pulp Fiction
+2500 The Godfather

Leaderboard:

1. Inviso $2500 (+500 Gangster No., +1500 The Irishman, +500 White Heat)
2. Fortybelowsummer $2250 (+750 Sicario, +$1000 Gangs of New York, +500 White Heat)
3. BetrayedTangy: $1850 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 White Heat, +750 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels)
4. PokeWars: $1700 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 Gangster No. 1, +600 Scarface (1932))
5. SSBM: $1000 (+$1000 Gangs of New York)

Silent
Halo

RikkuAlmighty posted...

Man I cant wait to pay 15 bucks for this game

This and Valkyrie Elysium for $15 total, you mean.

South
Darkwing
Batman
TMNT

In all seriousness, I came into this project expecting to rank Casino as my #1. The first time I watched it, I loved it, but the pacing issues were a glaring issue on my re-watch. Also, SSBM is right about the characters (aside from Ace) not leaving a strong impact.

Nobody wagered on Casino (which is the most fitting result ever), so the House wins again!!

Vegas Odds on #9:

+500 Snatch
+750 Carlito's Way
+750 City of God
+900 Reservoir Dogs
+1000 The Departed
+1250 The Godfather Pt. II
+2000 Goodfellas
+2000 Pulp Fiction
+2500 The Godfather

Leaderboard:

1. Inviso $2500 (+500 Gangster No., +1500 The Irishman, +500 White Heat)
2. Fortybelowsummer $2250 (+750 Sicario, +$1000 Gangs of New York, +500 White Heat)
3. BetrayedTangy: $1850 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 White Heat, +750 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels)
4. PokeWars: $1700 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 Gangster No. 1, +600 Scarface (1932))
5. SSBM: $1000 (+$1000 Gangs of New York)

Johnbobb posted...

10. Casino (1995)

What?! Casino didn't finish #1? You people sicken me.

plasma: 11

Ahem. Well...this is awkward.

plasma
It shouldnt surprise anyone that IBoard 8s #1 oddsmaker

Yeah, I'll just quietly go back to doing that.

System Shock 2 - 9.63 (4 votes)

Day-um.

andylt posted...

I think Metroid has the most reps here for a lone series? I guess this was its peak era.

Without question, 2002-2005 was the golden age for Metroid.

Bettors were too busy smoking PCP to wager on Training Day. Top 10 time--let's do this!

Vegas Odds on #10:

+500 Casino
+500 Snatch
+750 Carlito's Way
+750 City of God
+1000 Reservoir Dogs
+1000 The Departed
+1500 The Godfather Pt. II
+2000 Goodfellas
+2000 Pulp Fiction
+2500 The Godfather

Leaderboard:

1. Inviso $2500 (+500 Gangster No., +1500 The Irishman, +500 White Heat)
2. Fortybelowsummer $2250 (+750 Sicario, +$1000 Gangs of New York, +500 White Heat)
3. BetrayedTangy: $1850 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 White Heat, +750 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels)
4. PokeWars: $1700 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 Gangster No. 1, +600 Scarface (1932))
5. SSBM: $1000 (+$1000 Gangs of New York)

Everyone was too busy hating on Carlito's Way to guess L.A. Confidential, so the House wins again!

Vegas Odds on #11:

+500 Casino
+500 Snatch
+750 Carlito's Way
+750 Training Day
+750 City of God
+1000 Reservoir Dogs
+1000 The Departed
+300 Any Other Movie [+2000 if you guess correctly]

Leaderboard:

1. Inviso $2500 (+500 Gangster No., +1500 The Irishman, +500 White Heat)
2. Fortybelowsummer $2250 (+750 Sicario, +$1000 Gangs of New York, +500 White Heat)
3. BetrayedTangy: $1850 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 White Heat, +750 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels)
4. PokeWars: $1700 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 Gangster No. 1, +600 Scarface (1932))
5. SSBM: $1000 (+$1000 Gangs of New York)

Fantastic job on the main bracket. There are some great head-scratchers in Round 2 and beyond.

Stoked for this contest.

Personal preferences:

FF8
Persona 5
Tales of Berseria
Xenogears

Objective/Historical:
FF7
Chrono Trigger
Pokemon RBY
Persona 5

Scrolling through the list and realizing that Gen 6 is so loaded it's ridiculous.

Can't wait for this tourney.

8/10

Still need to finish it, but from what I played, I was surprised at how much I loved the Bruce Wayne parts.

Inviso posted...

Oh phew. Yeah, it may not have been my least favorite movie, but Scarface was the most disappointing movie on this list for me, given how prominent it is in pop culture.

I loved that even though we were at opposite ends of the rankings for this one, we both hated that car bomb scene.

Also...

Inviso

We then get a montage of Tonys rise. He buys his sister a hair salon, he gets married, and he buys a big mansion. Everything is great, but this is just a montage. It goes for five minutes, tops, and its the only time in the entire film that Tony isnt stoic or scowling or angry, so of course we cant highlight that for any period of time to give us a point where Tony has his rise and happiness, before that ultimate fall comes around. Nope, as soon as the montage hits, we get Tony being unsatisfied with how his wealth and power isnt getting him everything that he wants.

I saw the "Push It To The Limit" montage as a commentary on greed and how it makes happiness short-lived. I get why you're unsatisfied with the brevity of it, but this period of Tony's life needs to be short; it's like a one-week vacation before you return to the office for the rest of the year.

Nobody hit Scarface '83, and Vegas didn't even have it on the oddsboard. Not gonna lie, I thought Scarface was a lock to make the Top 10 based on its popularity, but much like Halloween (2018) in our 2010s Horror rankings, a flashy remake dropped sooner than expected.

Vegas Odds on #12:

+500 Casino
+500 L.A. Confidential
+750 Snatch
+1000 Carlito's Way
+1000 Training Day
+1000 City of God
+1250 Reservoir Dogs
+1250 The Departed
+300 Any Other Movie [+2000 if you guess correctly]

Leaderboard:

1. Inviso $2500 (+500 Gangster No., +1500 The Irishman, +500 White Heat)
2. Fortybelowsummer $2250 (+750 Sicario, +$1000 Gangs of New York, +500 White Heat)
3. BetrayedTangy: $1850 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 White Heat, +750 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels)
4. PokeWars: $1700 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 Gangster No. 1, +600 Scarface (1932))
5. SSBM: $1000 (+$1000 Gangs of New York)

Someone on Reddit summed it up perfectly:

Jags are 2-0 against other teams.

0-5 against themselves.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/8/2/AABj6fAADz0a.png
43 passes in a game we were leading most of the way. Yikes.

Pederson has a love affair with pass plays, especially in the 2nd half. That's why the Jags choke away a lead every single week. Afraid to commit to the run.

Giants do what they have to do to win. Running with Danny Jones kept working and they kept doing it.

Jags gave up on running despite ETN averaging 8.1 yards a rush.

Jags fan here.

I'm done with Doug Pederson. There's a fine line between being aggressive and being reckless. He has both feet in reckless territory. If you're up 4 late in the game with a reliable kicker, you kick the FG and go up 7. It's that simple. You don't need a TD on every drive. This isn't the '99 Rams, it's the Giants.

Drop:
ESPN NFL 2K5

Add:
Animal Crossing

Tangy cashes in on my #30! At least two of us are happy...

Vegas Odds on #13:

+500 Casino
+500 L.A. Confidential
+750 Snatch
+1000 Carlito's Way
+1000 Training Day
+1000 City of God
+1250 Reservoir Dogs
+1500 The Departed
+300 Any Other Movie [+2000 if you guess correctly]

Leaderboard:

1. Inviso $2500 (+500 Gangster No., +1500 The Irishman, +500 White Heat)
2. Fortybelowsummer $2250 (+750 Sicario, +$1000 Gangs of New York, +500 White Heat)
3. BetrayedTangy: $1850 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 White Heat, +750 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels)
4. PokeWars: $1700 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 Gangster No. 1, +600 Scarface (1932))
5. SSBM: $1000 (+$1000 Gangs of New York)

Pokewars posted...

What the fuck, Karo? What the fuck, plasma?

Lock somehow felt twice as long as The Irishman to me. The humor absolutely failed to click with me, and there was nothing else for me to latch onto.

Feel free to send Big Chris after me haha

5.5/10

Gets an extra 0.5 for the humor

PAYOUT CITY. Inviso and Fortybelow stay on top of the world while Tangy slaps 4th place away from SSBM.

Fun fact: All remaining movies are from 1972-2006.

Vegas Odds on #14:

+500 Casino
+500 L.A. Confidential
+750 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
+750 Snatch
+1000 Carlito's Way
+1000 Training Day
+1000 City of God
+1250 Reservoir Dogs
+300 Any Other Movie [+2000 if you guess correctly]

Leaderboard:

1. Inviso $2500 (+500 Gangster No., +1500 The Irishman, +500 White Heat)
2. Fortybelowsummer $2250 (+750 Sicario, +$1000 Gangs of New York, +500 White Heat)
3. PokeWars: $1700 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 Gangster No. 1, +600 Scarface (1932))
4. BetrayedTangy: $1100 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 White Heat)
5. SSBM: $1000 (+$1000 Gangs of New York)

Llarian posted...

I just looked at Dreams of the Revenants Edition on Switch and yes, that has everything. Base game House in Fata Morgana, essential prequel A Requiem for Innocence, a present day Reincarnation sequel [currently werking my way through this one!], and some short stories. This is the most complete version of the games, but also more expensive.

You can get HiFM and Requiem on Steam if you prefer to play on PC, it's on sale now. If you're just wanting to play the main story in its entirety, or if you're not sure if you'll like Fata Morgana in the first place, this is the most cost-effective option.

I believe the Reincarnation sequel is a console-exclusive.

Johnbobb posted...

16. Gangs of New York (2002)

Vis
Coming so late in the list (which is surprising, given that its still twenty years old at this point), Gangs of New York really stands out on this list as a time period untouched up to this point, yet Academy Award winner Martin Scorcese (who I BELIEVE appears five times on this list in total) manages to go outside his wheelhouse to tell a historical narrative thats compelling from start to finish. Look at the level of talent in this film, too: helmed by a pair of academy award winners (well, future winners, in Leos case), plus a bunch of nominees, all performing what is essentially a Shakespearean tragedy for almost everyone involved. Its amazing. I love the fact that the films central conflict doesnt even matter. Theres all this talk about the titular gangs of New York, jockeying for position and pride and honor and all that, and the climax comes down to the city getting pissed the fuck off about being conscripted to fight in a Civil War they have no stake in.

I love the character work in this film though, across the board. Johnny is perfect as an upjumped thug who tries to push far beyond his means, and then gets pissy when his buddy is just naturally better than him. Johnnys feebles attempts to achieve even HALF of what Amsterdam effortlessly accomplishes lead to his betrayal, and for what? He winds up a sacrifice in the cold war between Amsterdam and Bill, killed in a way by both men. Jack and McGloin are amazingly portrayed as well, serving as Bills pet prizes for winning his war against Priest Vallon, and they just come across as perfectly pathetic throughout the film. Meanwhile, Monk stands tall, refusing to be anyones bitch, and even in death, he leaves the film with his pride intact. And Jenny is fierce, yet tender at the same time, struggling with her loyalties.

Of course, everything comes down to the two leads. Amsterdam does the standard organized crime plot of being the young upstart, brought into the organization and quickly catching the eye of the boss. You have the added wrinkle of him essentially being a spy for himself, but I enjoy the conflict of seeing him grow to respect and appreciate Bill, to the point where he saves his life and has to question the festering animosity in his heart.

But Bill is the pice de resistance of the film. Hes a man who believes in honor and going to war and earning your stripes by being willing to die for your country, and he even shows enough respect to his fallen foe (Priest Vallon) to treat his memory as sacred. But at the same time, we see Bill fighting in a cowardly fashion throughout the film: sneak attacking the priest, attacking Monk from behind, guerrilla attacking Amsterdam during their final battle. You can tell he has a cowardly streak, but he WANTS to be the big, brave boss. He constantly reminds us that his FATHER fought and died for Americabut thats not HIM fighting. Its just really interesting to see that dichotomy of his character, and that MAKES the film for me, more than anything else.

I didn't like GoNY very much, but Vis' write-up gave me a much better appreciation for it.

SSBM gets on the board thanks to Gangs dropping, and Fortybelow also cashes in. Vegas is bleeding money now!

Vegas Odds on #15:

+500 White Heat
+750 Casino
+750 L.A. Confidential
+1000 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
+1000 Snatch
+1000 Training Day
+1250 Reservoir Dogs
+1250 Carlito's Way (*NOTE* Poke & Mythiot get +$2000 since they bet Carlito before I updated the odds board)
+1250 City of God
+300 Any Other Movie [+2000 if you guess correctly]

Leaderboard:

1. Inviso $2000 (+500 Gangster No., +1500 The Irishman)
2. Fortybelowsummer $1750 (+750 Sicario, +$1000 Gangs of New York)
3. PokeWars: $1700 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 Gangster No. 1, +600 Scarface (1932))
4. SSBM: $1000 (+$1000 Gangs of New York)
5. BetrayedTangy: $600 (+600 The Public Enemy)

thesmark posted...

I still can't believe Gangs of New York placed higher than The Irishman. Outside of DDL, that movie is just alright.

Yeah, I thought GoNY would easily be the first Scorsese film to drop.

DROP: Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee

ADD: Mega Man Network Transmission

Seginustemple posted...

Sometimes I do little pencil sketches based on black-and-white movies, here's the one I did for Scarface - https://imgur.com/a/QeRxU0S (Boris Karloff @ 49:47)

Amazing. Gives me the vibe of a crime noir graphic novel. You should team up with Ed Brubaker.

Played this for 2 hours back in 2003, but I have no memory of the story. Can't rate it fairly.

Think about all the money you sad degenerates wagered on Scarface '32, only to jump ship at the last moment. But, hey, at least somebody got paid. Pokewars, the world is yours.

Vegas Odds on #16:

+500 White Heat
+1000 Gangs of New York
+1000 Casino
+1000 L.A. Confidential
+1250 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
+1250 Snatch
+1250 Training Day
+1500 Reservoir Dogs
+1500 City of God
+300 Any Other Movie [+2000 if you guess correctly]

Leaderboard:
1) Inviso $2000 (+500 Gangster No., +1500 The Irishman)
2) PokeWars: $1700 (+600 The Public Enemy, +500 Gangster No. 1, +600 Scarface (1932))
3) Fortybelowsummer (+750 Sicario)
4) BetrayedTangy: $600 (+600 The Public Enemy)