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Murphiroth posted...

Chill dude, it's just candy lmao

It just occurred to me that he's arguing that one candy is unhealthy while another is healthy. Can't make this shit up

CassandraCroft posted...

It is a well known fact that American candy and chocolate is amongst the worst in the world. Not just my opinion but from everyone outside America who has eaten it.

This is a meme, I've had japanese candy and it was all identical to American equivalents. Chocolate snobbery in general is actually, as long as it's dark enough it's most definitely good. It's like pizza in that way.

Anyway yeah Lindt is pretty good, I think I might prefer Ghirardelli though, their 86% bars are perfect

This is the best chocolate btw:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41geNiTKYlL._AC_.jpg

pretty expensive but it really is the best

Ruvan22 posted...

Saying "He probably wanted to bang this girl from the start, that doesn't necessarily mean he hates her" seemed like you made an assumption/conclusion about what he wanted (just to bang)?

That's two different things you're saying there, wanting to have sex with someone doesn't necessarily mean that's all you want out of them

Ruvan22 posted...

So even though you were praising persistence and used this example... you feel it's pathetic? Seems a bit of a contradiction (and it's possible I misunderstood your point) - why did you bring up this anecdote?

I'm not praising persistence, I'm saying it can pay off for everyone involved. A lot of lasting relationships came from a guy who kept chasing the girl

Ruvan22 posted...

Again, glad we agree on that. Mrhulk expressed my point better than I - "But to complain about her treating him as a friend, is what comes off as petty, decietful, immature" Would you agree?

Only with the "immature" part. He wants something he's not getting, he's within his rights to be upset by that. It's only immature because if he had more experience he'd probably see it's not worth keeping at it.

Ruvan22 posted...

Are you saying "He wasn't blaming her"? So it's okay to complain about something not working out when you've gone about it in an underhanded way?

That's what I'm saying. I didn't see blame assignment from him. I get the perspective that it's underhanded I just don't really agree with that characterization. That's just how it goes, people act more interested in the other party's banal stuff when they're interested in them sexually. I don't think people would find fault with the classic case of a woman laughing more at dumb jokes when it's a handsome guy making them, that's just as "underhanded". You gotta do what you gotta do

Mr_hulk88 posted...

Im saying that it wasn't a complaint about things not going the way he wanted, he was blaming her for it.

I don't think he was though

Ya'll be grasping at straw fr rn

Mr_hulk88 posted...

Lol you keep saying this like it was a point in your favor. Im kinda confused as to why you think doing it behind her back is good or better

Gee idk, maybe because the person he's actually talking to isn't emotionally invested in their relationship? The dude can always break it off with her gently in the future as long as she doesn't know he doesn't really want to be her friend (IF that's the case)

Mr_hulk88 posted...

Frankly it also didnt really sound like a a tame venting like him saying he feels bad about her not seeing him the way he wants. He literally says he "puts up with her" .

Idk what you're even saying here

Ruvan22 posted...

So if there's not enough information, how are you concluding that he's acting appropriately?

I didn't. If you've kept up you know I haven't assumed one way or another, only other people did

Ruvan22 posted...

So you believe it is okay for guys to hound girls for years, as long as they don't say no? A girl that hasn't clearly stated "No" "Go away" etc is saying it's okay for the guy to keep hounding her to "get what he wants"?

No I think it's pathetic. I'm only saying I've seen it work out and they're a happy couple last I checked

Ruvan22 posted...

If somebody is purposefully acting deceitfully to get something they want and then get angry they didn't get it... that's neither healthy nor mature (imo).

I agree

Ruvan22 posted...

But to be clear, you feel it would have been okay for the guy you went to HS with to have gotten angry and expressed it to her if she stared dating someone else?

Nah of course not, that's not what's going on here though. He wasn't even venting to the girl.
It's ok to be upset by a crush (girl or guy) not wanting you, that's natural. But no you shouldn't take it out on them, that's where you cross the line into incel behavior

Ruvan22 posted...

I... I didn't say you said he "hates her guts" or sniffs her chair? I was asking you to show where it seemed he had interest in being a friend outside of it possibly leading to sex. So for the second time, I'm asking - are you saying it's okay to act like a friend towards someone you wouldn't be otherwise be friends with (NOT HATE) so you can have sex with them?

Not enough information.

Ruvan22 posted...

On your anecdote - are you saying guys should hound girls for years? Because while persistence CAN be good thing, ignoring someone repeatedly telling you no seems the opposite of caring for others.

There's no reason to think the girl in the text told him no or to go away

Ruvan22 posted...

Are you saying it would be okay for him to complain and get angry if he "didn't what he wanted" after years?

Why isn't it ok for a man to experience an emotion?

Ruvan22 posted...

1) Hmm... what in his text indicates he's in that grey area you define? From what is quoted, it looks like he only wanted to sleep with her and thus was "pretending" to be a friend ("I'm so in the friendzone"). Unless you are saying it's okay to spend time acting like a friend as a way to sleep with someone.
2) To clarify, I'm not discussing "being friendly", which is being a good human being around (hopefully) all others. Becoming a friend is where you've spent so much time with another person they feel comfortable sharing their stress/struggles with you.

Again, you're acting like it's an either/or. He probably wanted to bang this girl from the start, that doesn't necessarily mean he hates her and just puts up with her for the occasional sneaky sniffs of her hair and her chair.

Persistence can go a long way, in HS I knew a dude who confessed his love to this girl and was hounding her for years prior to and (presumably) after that. Fast-forward a few years and they're a couple. Not sure how long after HS that happened but they're still together afaik

They were friends for a long fucking time before he got what he wanted.

Sseth here.

Ruvan22 posted...

So he didn't want to be friends with her? Or he had the purpose of starting a friendship hoping to segue it into a romance/sexual interaction?

Because if the first, it really doesn't seem he was clear up front about "just wanting to get into her pants", and if the second - that seems to be what people are saying is dishonest (being friends with the hope of it ending in sex)

Well the thing is that you can't just go "Hi my name is ____ I'd like to have sex with you if you agree to these terms, let the mating commence" because that gets you nowhere
You have to be in some sort of casual relationship in the start unless you're dealing with a hooker. So wtf is a guy supposed to do? People keep acting like it's an either/or where a guy either wants to have sex with her dead or alive, or is a completely selfless altruist who wants to be her bestie and help her out with boy advice. Quite a bit of inbetween there and I reckon he's in it

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Those are all good points tbqh but I still stand by my statement that dating sites are not useful for men. If they're bad for women too that doesn't negate that.

I take it that your contention is with the "bottom 90%" part, but I don't think you're considering that most guys would struggle to ever get the kind of experience with girls that you're talking about that you need to do well on dating sites. I know the joke is that "charming" guys are actually just handsome but it's kind of both. It's a lot easier to figure out what behaviors work when women are already receptive from the get-go.

But even then, dating sites obviously don't work the way IRL does, how tf are guys supposed to know women hate selfies and shirtless mirror pics lol that's some fucking arcane knowledge. So it's still like the bottom 80-90% of men I'm talking about, just in terms of savviness instead of looks. The fact is that if men improved in this regard it'd still always be pointless for most because standards would rise accordingly. I stand by what I said.

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They probably ignored that because it's an anecdote which isn't really worth much. I can meet that with my own anecdote of an (informal) experiment where a male model's photo was used for a dating profile that was abhorrent in every other way and women still threw themselves at him left and right. The dude pretended to be a convicted child rapist and it didn't deter them, lol.

NoxObscuras posted...

But if you're someone's "friend" only because you're waiting for a chance to sleep with them and you don't actually care about being their friend,

People are assuming for some reason that the guy was tricking her somehow, that's really not based on anything. All he said is that he's in the friendzone, only thing that can be gleaned by that is that he doesn't wanna be just friends with her. the assumption being made is that he's been trying to trick her into thinking he's her friend and nothing more.

Also a lot of relationships start off as friendships, it's nonsensical acting like someone trying to segue that into romance is shady

Also you guys keep misinterpreting what I meant by

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

No, it's just normal and reasonable to interact with the opposite sex for the sole purpose of sex.

I don't mean every single interaction you ever have with that gender, I mean a particular interaction. People do it all the time, nothing abnormal about it. Some people you meet you just wanna get in their pants, you don't care about their taste in music or their politics or whatever lol

Bandit_Keith posted...

...No.

I can already see it.

"Guys do it all the time, why can't girls? Something something gender norms"

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It hasn't, many experiments have been done showing this. Guys get WAY less swipes/messages/etc.

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I don't think that's true though. Or rather, I should say it doesn't really matter. Guys that seem to do the best are the ones that go for sheer numbers, there are a lot of actually ugly dudes that get shitloads of tail with that strategy. Social proof also plays into this, women are naturally attracted to guys that they've seen or heard have gotten women

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I mean, she literally is telling him which guys she fucks and why. Hard to do better than that as far as that kind of info goes, lol.

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That's effectively saying it's never ok for guys though, since dating apps are wastes of time for the bottom 90% of guys

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Much like vegans, incels are outnumbered by the people who say they're obnoxious and omnipresent by 3,000,000:1

Bandit_Keith posted...

No, everyone would still have a problem with it.

You really are just telling on yourself in this topic.

Lol stop lying, she'd be seen as a girl boss, don't be so silly

TomClark posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/1/9/AAABqgAADN6b.jpg

Imagine I'm a girl saying this. There, now you have no problem with it

oof gottem I am vanquished haha

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I wasn't very clear there I guess, I wasn't suggesting she's trying to turn him on lol, rather she maybe brought it up to cue that she's not looking. Similar to when girls tell thirsty fellas they have a boyfriend.

NoxObscuras posted...

lmao "power play"? Have you never talked about sex with people you don't actually want to sleep with?

I don't think that happens that often in the boy -> girl direction, though my area's pretty conservative I guess. Seems more likely that if this guy is just now determining he's "friendzoned" then they probably aren't super duper close. More likely to me is that she picked up on his thirst and decided to nip that shit in the bud lol

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Chances are he doesn't have one if he wants to subject himself to this just for a whiff tbh

silverpine posted...

he's also presumably lying and she thinks that he enjoys their friendship, when he does not

Not necessarily, he might enjoy her company to a degree. Assuming his venting frustration means he sees women as onaholes that have gained sentience is based on nothing but interwebz stereotypes

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I knew this would be said at some point and yes, he should probably. Realistically she very likely knows what it is too, based on her telling him about guys she fucks. Unless she was under the impression he's gay, that seems like a power play. If he were savvy that'd be identified as a red flag/no-go sign, Grey should be on blast for being a dumbass not a jerk tbqh

Mr_hulk88 posted...

Well you said : it's just normal and reasonable to interact with the opposite sex for the sole purpose of sex.

Sounds like youre saying the grey text situation was with the purpose of sex.
And it obviously wasn't if she clearly sees him as a friend.

No I'm saying it was his purpose of the relationship, he's within reason to be annoyed it's not working out. Again, just reverse the roles: Is it wrong for a girl to be annoyed because she wants a relationship and a guy just keeps her around to talk about his feelings and the girls he fucks? Lol of course not, so why is the reverse so wrong. Can't explain it without to resorting to puritanical nonsense

silverpine posted...

so.... you've never heard of friends?

This board is terrible at reading, truly terrible

Mr_hulk88 posted...

Lol thats the thing though, the purpose of interacting with the opposite sex isnt strictly sex.

Never said it was.

Mr_hulk88 posted...

If you had a female friend who you turn for support and have zero attraction for would you think its fair that shed complain about having to "put up with you"?
Basically just pretending to be your friend because she expects something romantic in return where you never showed interest in that way for her

How would I know about this? This guy isn't complaining to her, but a third person. Anyway, if I found that out of course I'd say it's reasonable, lol. Why am I entitled to an emotional tampon but she isn't entitled to be attracted to me, exactly?

Now that you've reversed the roles you're dangerously close to getting it, careful now

Mr_hulk88 posted...

This is exactly the nice guy mentality, if a girl is nice to me or viceversa that HAS to mean we'll fuck.

No, it's just normal and reasonable to interact with the opposite sex for the sole purpose of sex. Acting like frustration that it's not going as planned is some sort of villainy is just ridiculous and a thought that wouldn't be entertained if the roles were reversed

The blue is demanding that he care about her over himself and saying he's a bad person for wanting sex. How much of a doormat simp can you guys be lmao

Grey is not a nice guy either but blue is definitely the douche

s0nicfan posted...

EDIT: Also, FYI, "I put a spell on you" from the first movie is ALSO a licensed song.

What about that "come little children" song? That's an original innit

rexcrk posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/0/1/AACE4xAADusl.jpg

The blue text is the one who's the dick here tbh

Yes, only good thing was getting to see hot girls

masterpug53 posted...

Friendly reminder that the original 'Teflon Don' was thought to be completely untouchable until he died in prison.

This post deserves a boost

Smackems posted...

I didn't read what came before this, but I agree. Still not an excuse to act like a dick because you're rejected

Well yeah, most of these guys deserve rejection because they're fucking freaks lol
Doesn't excuse it, I'm just explaining why being nice to a guy gives this kind of result a lot of the time. Same reason pathetic simps exist in general, I mean being an ethot ain't lucrative because of other girls that's for sure

cuttin_in_farm posted...

But isnt the prevalence of dudes acting so desperate and cringey at the smallest sign of niceness an indication of a larger problem?

Yes very much so. Men just aren't cared for at all the way women are. I'm from a family of 5 with one sister and she always, always got preferential treatment. No manual labor, got her own room while me and my bro had to share a (smaller) one, got a car, etc etc. Women are just valued more.

Any sign of care is enough to pretty much unravel a lot of guys, particularly average and below average ones

TentacleDemon posted...

I hope they had enough sense to make sure their dye wasn't something toxic.

Doubt it

I'm not gonna watch that obviously but I don't have any moral obligation to anyone aside from my immediate family and maybe children

This is just speculation but I'm pretty sure, based on the context of his post, that what bknight meant is that the Mueller report's findings won't lead to indictment/consequences, not that it literally didn't detail anything problematic

Just_a_loser posted...

And this is why women have issues with men.

What are you talking about? She said she has a boyfriend.

Priere posted...

Armed activists with a coalition of black self-defense groups

...Interesting...

These threads must do wonders for CEgals' self-esteems. Scrolling down here I see the same girl pics like 4-5 times each while each guy pic only shows up once or twice lmao

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Yep, I know a couple whose shit (ALL of it) got fried when lightning struck their house. Hell my next door neighbors just had a house fire caused by lightning a few weeks ago

Don't be silly, unplug your electrillies

Damn when did CE get so plebeian? Seems like just a year or two ago most people here accepted the science that PC is the best