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Crescent-Moon posted...

Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed mafia game.... This, is Chewbacca.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Why would I be talking about Chewbacca in a mafia game?

I don't know, it doesn't make sense!

If Chewbacca does not make sense, you must acquit.

Not sure what the point of trying to be a passive aggressive asshole is.

Panthera posted...

While I'm here why is anyone even bringing up Red again, SBell clearly slipped that they poisoned him. With Ben basically confirmed third party Red is as close to confirmed town as you get without being confirmed. You'd have to assume him as an additional independent to get any other conclusion.

I had a theory that didn't make sense.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Further breakdown: I got a really bad feeling about lynching Ben and followed you onto Scare, ninjaing Chris's vote onto Scare by moments.

Chang saw the three of us there, thought the train was very strong, and joined.

Marth and Ben both commented, but hesitated. Neither of them joined for a fair amount after.

IGCD kind of just came in and voted him.

Which reminds me, when IGCD voted for Ben, I asked him why, but I don't think I ever got a direct answer and I don't remember if he's given one since.

So I'll ask again, why the Ben vote?

I did answer but ill answer again. Day 1 sheep Chris. That's been my play style for awhile now.

Corrik7 posted...

Miller claims asks for a cop not to target him. Why would be not want the cop to target him if he kills roles that visit him.

Yea I guess you're right about that.

Corrik7 posted...

Red town

I was actually just wondering about this. Red claimed Miller day 1 and now is claiming poisoned day 2. If Red doesn't die and a doctor flips tomorrow I want Red lynched. Because I have a sinking feeling that he is a role that kills people when they visit him.

MZero posted...

also can I just say it's weird to have SBell's role exist in a game that was advertised as do your own votals >_>

I was thinking about this myself.

It means that scum and town have both given up, games a draw.

Crescent-Moon posted...

IGCD buddying up to me is a bad narrative that has been pushed by multiple lower-trust players. The only person I feel could be accused to buddying up to me at all is Sultan, a player whom I'm not sure knows how to do that as scum.

Now you're buddying up to me /s

TheVipaGTS posted...

Im sure the Day One thing will change eventually. As a Plus subscriber I hope Im grandfathered in somehow price wise.

That would be great.

Panthera posted...

Okay checking back I see the issue, you voted for "Scurred". I took this as a joke rather than a real vote. If that was meant to be real (Plum did count it as such I see) that addresses that part, yes. The latter no, I'm not obligated to agree with Crescent, and even if I did not believe you were buddying up to her it wouldn't change that others had suggested you were.

Ok but do you think I was buddying up to her? If so, how does our interaction come across as buddying up? If not, why is it apart of your reasoning as to why I could be scum?

Corrik7 posted...

I do not believe that Chris would so easily dismiss the merits of testing the unlynchable claim day 1 when it was most likely to lead to a mislynch, which it did. I believe he would have understood very well the merits and reasoning that such an idea would have strong appeal to town day 1.

I believe Chris began the game pocketing votes to lead forward in the game. I also believe he knows Crescent is town in that scenario and that he would very much love to keep Crescent alive as long as possible as scum. I believe Chris is power hunting in the game with his lynch trains and claim forcing and mislynches.

Could I be wrong? Sure. I distrust him though mightily for his actions regarding Crescent day 1 though and how I envision he would play as scum in the scenario.

I also know that players, especially that don't play often, are more likely to idle out as Scum than Town.

I also know that Chris, though to be fair the entire game, have basically ignored completely my thoughts on Chang all game which have not only made my convictions on Chang stronger, but I also believe Chris has played a part in this. I am keenly aware that Chris said whoever claims first is town and Chang instantly claimed there with what would very aptly provide cover to Chris continue to ignore him.

I could be wrong on Chris, but I don't feel like his actions have been for the best intention of town.

I am surrounded by a game that will never stand up to him and will follow him forever, so I basically have to hope he is town. I doubt anyone has the will to actually defeat a scumChris this game, and it is just the unfortunate state of mafia in games without some of the players that play more through analytical play than just charisma following.

Bro, im more than willing to lynch Chris. Scum or town, any game, just for the lols.

Panthera posted...

Now, over to Isquen, you asked me about IGCD. Only a couple of things really stood out to me with him, notably that for all his talk of sheeping Chris he followed onto Ben but then didn't follow onto Scare despite being around to do so. Scare then flipped town so it's obviously not save-a-scummate but it does call his end of day 1 reasoning into question a bit since he wasn't actually following what he said he was. He also called Crescent criticizing he and Ben for following her onto you weird since she should believe her case had reason to be believed, which is a good point except that he had been taking some flack for buddying up to her too much prior to that so it might have been a response. I don't really rate his shade of big name players today, it doesn't actually draw attention when it's so soft and empty (if everyone's response is to brush it off and at best say "well scum IGCD doesn't want that attention", it's clearly not provoking a level of attention scum IGCD would care about). He's in the scum pool I think.

So does this whole thing fall apart based on the fact that I did follow Chris on to Scare and the fact that even Crescent agreed that I wasn't buddying up to her?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I will admit I enjoy being a double voter.

Here let's make you a triple voter

##Vote: Corrik

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Haha he claimed Bodyguard Protection of chris...

I mean I get that you may not have retained but a claim is hard to overlook exspehally since its been talked about for about a page and a half

I had like 4 pages to catch up on and I wanted to do it before I left for the day, by the time I was two pages deep I started to zone out while reading.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I thought you said you caught up?

I did. Doesn't mean I retained all the information I read.

Crescent-Moon posted...

What about his claim?

What did he claim?

Crescent-Moon posted...

Do you have any thoughts on Chang or something

On Chang? Not really. I know he has posted a bit, but nothing he has posted has really set anything off for me in the moment.

After the sbell flip im much less likely to consider Ben/Chris scum/scum

Ok caught up. Going to the dump and grocery shopping so my posting will likely be intermittent for a few hours.

masterplum posted...

Sbell has died he was

Why do you advertise who wrote your lore if you never tell us what the lore is - MAFIA Vote Freezer

They advertise George R R Martin in the promotional advertising! What is the point of getting in a big name if it is impossible to follow the lore?!? Sure there are lore dumps here and there, but you can go 30 hours where nothing obvious happens. Huh I am fighting bird people. Wonder how that is related to anything? - A question we will never know.

Every night you can choose a player. After the first 24 hours that player will forget what the plot of the mafia game is supposed to be and will be unable to change their vote for the rest of the day in confusion

1. Bat
2. Ben
3. Changmas
4. Chris
5. Corrik
6. Crescent
7. IGCD
8. isquen
9. Marth
10. Mzero
11. Panth
12. Red
13. Sultan
14. Ulti

LD1 Scare - Jumping TOWN Vanilla
KN1 Death - Obligatory Volcano Area - TOWN Vanilla
KD2 Sbell - Why do you advertise who wrote your lore if you never tell us what the lore is - MAFIA Vote Freezer

With 14 alive it's 8 to lynch

Oh shit! Ha ha. Good job!

UltimaterializerX posted...

They are only scum together if theyre pulling off a gambit where the host is allowed to lie to people

This is not accurate.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I guess we have to choose between team Stu and team... Does anyone know MZero's name?

Miz?

Isquen posted...

what do you all think of IGCD?

I think he's great.

CanuckCowboy posted...

Kinda feel like johnny is Jagermeister.

No. I am Jagermeister.

GrandConjuraton posted...

What is Duncan saying? He has me blocked, and I don't know what insanity he is coming up with now, >.<

Basically saying that microplastics are fine because we have things like iron in our systems already and if you took all the metal out of are bodies we'd have enough to be rich. He also tried to use the scene in the princess bride as proof that if you slowly poison yourself you'll just build an immunity to it.

@GrandConjuraton @DarthAragorn

Kurt_Russel posted...

Wait, you guys have a discord? And what if I only have a ps4? Can you send me an invite, or is it a members only kinda thing?

Who is your main?

Crescent-Moon posted...

I don't even know why you're accusing me of spreading misinformation?

To humor them both being scum IS derailing the game. There is nothing whatsoever to gain by currently humoring this possibility.

"Mentioning the possibility of something is derailing the game."

Crescent-Moon posted...

I'm being called a liar for saying things other people agree with?

Alllllllrighty then.

And now you're doing it again. That isn't what happened and you know it. Everyone can read the topic. You made false statements in regards to the message that ben left and tried to say I was pushing a theory that I wasn't actually pushing.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Yep.

I have a better question for you: If I didn't trust the source, why should I care? The only reason this has even come up so much is I don't want things to go off the rails with some conspiracy theory that they're both scum.

Then why did you take the time to derail the game, when all I said was the possibility could exist? Then why did you take the time to derail the game and try and spread misinformation about something you never took the time to actually read? This shit makes no fucking sense.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Because IGCD won't shut up about them being scum together when it's an asinine train of thought.

My "not shutting up about it" is nothing but responses to you, correcting your lies and misinformation.

Crescent-Moon posted...

And your decision to consistently humor an awful train of thought that isn't even worth discussion got under mine.

We can call it even.

Constantly? I mentioned it once and you started distorting the facts about what has happened and what I was saying.

PunishedBen posted...

I would argue that if me and Chris are scum that is broken. Mafia can easily just time it where they are there at deadline to claim the power. Crescent has already stated that, but I'm letting you know she is right

And my point is that your role, if scum, is basically a nerfed scum inventor because while your team would know when it is going to be dropped there is still a chance town could snag it.

And just for the record this wasn't an avenue of discussion I wanted to seriously entertain at the moment but Crescent's blatant decision to misrepresent the facts got under my skin.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

This is the day 1 message...

We know more than we can say

This is the day 2 message...

As first Day,Twelve shine the Light,
With a Grey,Four creep by Night.
A blessing we bestow,
Just ##Instill,
One may the light grow,
If you will.

Neither of these rely on making the host lie to the game because they are very clearly left by a player. So I have no idea where you are getting the idea that Ben and Chris couldn't be scum together because of a lying host.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Ben has CLAIMED it.

This is the day 1 message...

We know more than we can say

Crescent-Moon posted...

Ben's already claimed his messages at the start of the day are host manipulations.

And the confirmation was not in the opening message, so this thing your arguing isn't actually a thing. It's just you distorting the facts.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Scum inventorish that can also manipulate the host to speak for him, let's not forget.

How did Ben manipulate Plum in to confirming that Chris got a power? If Ben's power is real, he hands out a power and the host confirms that a player received that power. How is that Ben manipulating the host?

Crescent-Moon posted...

That's the point. It's virtually guaranteed scum receives the power if Ben is also scum.

But it isn't guaranteed and that might be the counter to his role as it is. Ben could be some kind of scum inventorish role that has to put the powers up for grabs if he unlocks them through his messaging system. And how would this be any different than having some kind of scum inventor that can just hand the powers to his teammates.

Crescent-Moon posted...

For them to both be scum requires Ben's power to be fake and to have host-manipulating powers that have been banned from this game since longer than I've been playing it.

No it doesn't. If Ben is scum that has the ability to hand out powers and leave messages for the game all that is required for a scum Chris to obtain that power for the scum team is to be here when it is up for grabs.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Them both being scum requires bad hosting in this case, too.

And Plum is not a bad host.

No it doesn't.

Crescent-Moon posted...

The problem is Chris himself has confirmed that message was not fake.

Ergo, for Ben to be scum requires Chris to be scum and Plum to have directly lied as host.

Too tin foil hat.

What i never said anything about his power being fake, just the message that Ben wrote.

Crescent-Moon posted...

A good host does not give scum the power to write a message like this for another scum. Nope. Not happening.

How is that relevant to what I was saying?

Leafeon13N posted...

Igcd i am going to murder you follow the topic damn it.

You're asking where he got those numbers and they are in the opening post of the day.

Panthera posted...

I do seem to recall someone brought up a night 0, I didn't think it was you. I'll have to check at some point. Do you remember when it might have been roughly to help narrow it down?

I think I brought up a night 0 because there was speculation about the messages and I assume they would have to be submitted at night and because there was one at the start of day there must have been a N0.

Crescent-Moon posted...

This requires Plum to have directly lied to us at the start of the day. I do not think Plum is a bad enough host to allow a scumteam to have this kind of power.

How would plum have lied to us? If Ben is the one writing the messages it isn't Plum lying to us.

Leafeon13N posted...

I dont mind being called obtuse when i am being obtuse but i am not being obtuse here.

Those numbers dont currently have an origin.

The opening message of the day. 12 light, 1 grey 4 creeps.

Obellisk posted...

he was gifted something, he is happy, he believes the person who gave it to him can't be bad because of this. (I have experienced this myself, the gifter was scum).

and I just want to put it out there that Chris is in no way confirmed town, so we have that to contend with as well.

Exactly, the message could be fake in the sense there could still be 5 scum and 12 town and Ben is mafia with Chris and threw in the 1 grey to mislead town.

I'm not saying this is what I believe, but it could be a possibility with the information we have

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am not surprised, note my lack of comment on it yesterday. I was more being cute.

Anyway Ben could be third party, but I don't care about that atm, because he is not scum based on what I have been given.

Thats another thing. Your almost complete lack of interaction with me despite me trying to be as scummy as possible doesn't make me feel any better either. Like you know I'm not a threat to you and the scum team, because let's be honest the only people that ever think I'm a threat are town when I am town.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Probably shouldn't have voted with me less than an hour ago game wise then huh.

Day 1 ill always give you the benefit of the doubt. Not sure how this is surprising to you despite me doing it like the last few games we have played together. Aside from last game when I was asleep until past deadline.

I know I'm probably going to be lambasted for this... But I really don't like Ulti, Chris and Crescent.

They feel too much like they are working together behind the scenes.