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This sounds like naming was hidden but then

So you would have been told the amount but not what players?

No I get told if he was visited or not and if he moved ir not. That binary is all

I didnt use it instantly actually. I set it about 1 hour before item deadline

Kirby321 posted...

I just double-checked this, too.

The wording says whoever you use the ward on gets their motion detected, but you don't learn who they visited.

Granted, didn't Isquen say some of the item descriptions changed from when we got them in our PMs?

Yes it has a watch too. I was surprised too tbh

I cant talk much more btw. Be back soonish

Lopen posted...

Why would you use it on Kirby

Because admittedly didnt think it would matter since I got no names and wanted to see uf Kirby would not act at all.

Its the 2nd part that I find interesting.

Eh I guess waiting to see if anyone can get contradicted would be mean. It was Kirby. He moved.

...and nobody moved to him.

I will say again I didnt use it on Ulti

It detected motion without naming who moved except for the target

And its gone also.

I used it because I didnt have anything better to do during that phase.
I dont know if I shpuld say who I targeted yet. Because while the result is not damning. It is interesting.

I think I can say that now
.
Yes I did
It just lasted the whole night afterwards

Who said I used it last night?

5 scum
In This game?
Impossible ctes
Hell 4 feels like too much as well

Also debating whether to buy an item from the shop today, just to test if people can see that.
But probably only after the inventory changes.

That was Sbells own words. Now everyone around him.

Lopen called out Sultan early and was the one that made a big argument against him eventually, so Lopen looks pretty town in general.

Changmas said nothing about Sultan at the start. The first time he mentioned Sultan was topic 3 when Lopen brought up Sultan being random for the sake of looking random.
To his credit he did agree with Lopen that Sultan felt off, tho not 'purposefully random' and he also liked Lopens making the effort at all. Eventually he sided with Lopen to vote Sultan as well.

Poppy voted Sultan early, which was nice. But he came around to Sultan later which was less nice. But he regains his standing by being the first to point at Sultans bad 'wow 100 posts' post.

Red argued about how Sultan should not tell people he wouldnt host a game with millers. That was pretty much it. He didnt even show up for the deadline.

Mzero quickly voted Sultan too because he thought he was telling a lie with his millerhate claim. He also had a brief but meaningful presence to suspect Sultan for his distancing from HB.

Sbell was just there to sing then did an fake (over?)reaction to the two miller claims.
Then he tried to argue for Sbells favor when I called his first post bad. Basically defending Sultan with a 'I cant read him well' take.
But Sbell did also question Sultan a little about his Han defense, which I like.
I like it less that he shrugs off Sultans comment about the 100 posts. Also how he cannot read Sultan well which causes him to stand on the sidelines for a lot of the Sultan talk.
But then I come back to thinking Sbell has to be town for the way Sultan took his neighbors joke so seriously.
Plus Sbell did vote Sultan earlier than most, for trying to go after Kirby still.

Ctes said Sultan would resolve himself (To be fair I said the same). Then when Lopen voted him he said he hadnt paid much attention to Sultan but also called Lopen a hypocrit on some of his points.

Han had no opinion on Sultan other than him being scummily attacked by Red. He later called Sultan town with no explanation
(except for a generic explanation of his methods later which didnt focus on any specific moments)
Later in topic2 he said Sultan was on the edge. If that means 'neutral' then I am not so sure I should award Han anything here.
Then in topic3 he said that Sultan seemed scummy-acting, but he also said he ould not be sure of it either way so that post amounted to nothing.
Han also was very frustrated with Lopemn for the way he attacked Sultan, which Lopen found suspect. I sorta agree considering that its possible way for scum to defend their own without actually giving an opinion.
Han claims he would vote Sultan if he could. Thats something but not much.

Based on this I am comfortable calling Poppy town along with Ulti and Lopen.
Sbell and Mzero are also up there, though they did not do as much so they get less points.
I am still neutral on Ctes and Chang though the latter did at least pick the Sultan train in the end so I am leaning more towards a positive side there.

Han looks worse, and HB doesnt look as great as one might assume either.
Finally there is Red who didnt do much of anything.

Could be as simple as HB/Red. But I am not optimistic enough to believe that entirely.

2 PART WALL, courtesy of a chill workday.

Sultan called HB possible scum, which HB flipped out on. I do wonder why HB flipped out on Sultan specifically when so many called him a suspect already. Distancing was a common theory, and I cant deny that.
He accused Ulti and Kirby still of being scum and eventually voted Kirby for the whole 'scanned scum' confusion. In general he seemed too anti-Kirby to be his partner IMO.
Sultan on the other hand called Mzero town and defended him from Corrik (I sadly liked this from Sultan at the time. But I also feel Mzero is town regardless so he was probably trying to pocket Mzero)
Sultan also spent some time trying to find a post he liked from Changmas, for some reason. It was the post where Changmas attacked Poppy, though Sultan reduced its significance to him almost immediately.
He said he forgot Ctes was in the game and wanted to read up on him. He was also eager to answer Ctes' questions about the miller standoff (which wasnt a thing anymore for anyone besides Ctes really)
He also asked Corrik why Poppy and Sbell looked bad. Same reaction he had earlier with Han. Though I doubt all 3 of those players are scum with Sultan, one of them could be.

Then there is this post which I will quote in full

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Corrik I feel thought he had something amd really digged into it. His backing out of it is a bit interesting, he has also had some other questionable plays mostly involving interactions with MZero.
Liked his 3rd party thoughts on you a bit as well

HB I felt was very one tracked mind. I think HB is a decent lynch but at the same time could be a bit of just a time zone crutch. Id like to hear a bit. More before saying 100% scum but right now leaning that way

Chang made some okay points but also hasn't seemed to commit to anything. Chang seems to be a hanging low option here

Ctes and Death I think are fine. I have liked death a decent bit this game compared to games in the past. Death has been pretty active compared to death scum games.

Ctes I think has given some in depth thoughts earlier in the day. I do admit it to me looking back to realize it was ctes idk if it was an overlook or what but thoughts on Kirby or Lea I kind of agree with. One of you is scum or maybe 3rd party but not sure who yet. Was thinking you Kirby Obviously but alot of big gut play would have to go into it. Wouldn't look past it.

Looking more changs way is probably not a horrible idea. I have a feeling Chang posts his hey dont lynch me chart regardless of role now.

But the gist of this is that he was unable to decide anything about HB and Changmas, while his Ctes opinion at least seems to match his earlier content.
Then for some reason he called chang a good option to lynch later, but goes for Ulti instead.

We will be opening after nightfall and remain open throughout the day and night. Shopping can be done as a day action if you decide to take no other day action or pass any items, though it will be visible to any player that you are visiting the shop. The shop may also be visited as a night action, and is a valid target for scans or monitoring.

Apparently only during the day is the distinction.
Its just that nobody could actually buy anything day1.

Yeah thats true I think

A loud roaring pierces the night sky.

Wasnt it tho?

Anyway ISOing Sultan, but he didnt have a lot to say at first. (I am gonna cover the part after his '100post' catcup whine later)
Sultan said Kirby was town though he flipflopped on this in that terrible first reaction to the claim. Later tho when Kirby claimed his full power Sultan seemed to turn on him due to 'his role being scummy'.

Sultan thought Ctes was fishing for something. (which Poppy disagreed with). Odds of both Poppy and Ctes being town going up by a very small amount.

He seemed slightly upset that Lea would suspect Han. A worrying sign of scum being maybe unable to avoid defending another scum.
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lea any specific reason for the Han Vote. I don't even think Han has got started really this game?

I haven't seen anything scummy from him yet

After that placed a vote on Ulti for being behind on reading the game. I already think Ulti is town, but still noting this for completions sake.

I am just saying that people shouldnt say
Oh he visited Kirby so Kirby is scum.

Btw the pineapple item's action is basically to pull on it just to waste my time I guess...

I guess the Independent could also have killed Corrik outright, since Corrik did blatantly hint at knowing who he was. (as a flavor, not a player)

I think we should let Kirby's actions speak for him. Not his power.
Not everyone in role madness will have a good power.

Poppy is probably town regardless of Corriks hint
Since he would have be bussing Sultan pretty early otherwise.

I mean his power is pretty useless and we told him to not use it to probe he wasnt compelled to do it.
Now he could and maybe should show that he bought the item by trading it to someone else.

As for the first item that he gave me.
I'd ask why he didn't just do the thing Ulti asked for. But then again neither did I.

Ctes, would Sultan behave this way if Kirby was his teammate?

I hate millers... like I think I way over think the claims out the gate but it makes sense. I was a Miller one of my first games didnt claim and got insta murdered so It makes sense but it is also a convenient claim for scum.. has Kirby been scum yet??

However I do think Kirby is a good player and probably wouldn't do that

Thats what my post said yes.

I dont think it matters if he targeted someone he suspected.
I think it matters that he targeted someone with a risk of dying because of it.
I want to say Corrik is not a player who chances that without leaving a hint.

But like I also said, it doesnt say anything conclusive about Poppy.

Okay so Corrik

We can be certain he didnt find out Roshans identity day1 because he died and not Roshan

So am I the only one who thinks he targeted Poppy?

Corrik7 posted...

I guess we are in the endgame now.

##unvote:
##vote: Poppy

He left his vote here for the rest of the day and all.

Granted this is still 2 degrees removed from actual proof of Poppy being scum. But I dont see him visiting Ulti at any rate.

Kirby321 posted...

As I stated in my last post, I bought some mayonnaise. Nothing special happened. Was it a smart idea? Probably not, but I doubt saving up for the shard will give me any meaningful upgrade anyway.

So I used my night action to buy mayonnaise. I am now 25 gold poorer for my curiosity.

Ah okay, probably the best thing to do.

Then again no matter what HB is, I think Sultan being the Mafia RB makes anyone else a worse lynch.

It happened to me. So I considered it a risk whenever I happen to vote for the (maybe) wrong guy from that point on.

Kirby what were your actions night1?
Did you make an illusion or not?

Death, I've felt pretty good about on Day 1, but that triple post at the start of the day... kinda seemed a bit defensive? Or preemptive? Like, without anyone prompting him, he started to explain why he wasn't there at the end of the day. That kinda struck me as odd.

Look I wanted to be sure I didnt get quicklynched again like I did when I was a Cop in that one game this year. That was motivated by Ulti back then, and I knew he didnt like me this game either so yeah
It seems unprompted because I didnt have a lot of time to say my piece before I had to sleep.

Anyway I can now confirm that I do indeed have a pineapple. And it is an item, though its powers are pretty much nonexistant.
I can give it away as a free action as well. Though at best it proves that this useless power exists.

Anyway, I am off.
You will just have to wait for more of good old me.

Obellisk posted...

which is why death narrating that mafia did that is a "...wait a second"

Fortunately I have no idea what happened. I just leaped to the most logical conclusion one gets when they comment before reading the role PMs fully.
I was trying to get it all out before I went to sleep.
So if Corrik did mention one name as scum more than anyone else, (on a list maybe), than that could be a good indicator.

changmas posted...

guys chill were not supposed to talk about that until isquen gives the all clear

Good call. I saw 'dont meta' and didnt think it would extend to pure factual statements as well. I will shut up about that for now.

Oh...I also have a pineapple.

No I could (and did) use the item Kirby gave me during the day. That was my day action in the end after some consideration of my options.

It just lasted for the entire night phase.

I didnt turn into a cultmember either, though Corriks flip implies that Kirby's flavor doesnt fit independent anyway.

I mean I would prefer not to be lynched at all, but specifically not again in that way.

And yes I know people might be concerned about me. I am also here to ask people Not to quicklynch me while I am sleeping.

Okay I stayed up to see what would happen and also to apologize for practically falling asleep near the end of the last day there. I followed the final bit from my phone on bed but thats about it.

Not gonna rule out HB being scum outright, but Ulti made a good case for him and I am glad he did since it led to Sultans death.
And I dont see Ulti sacrificing a scumRB if it was on their team either. So I will also apologize for not giving him that free cash with Kirby's item
At least he got rewarded via the lynch.

Also really liking Lopen after that.
I am surprised scum killed Corrik over Ulti (or Lopen).

I dont particularly feel sad for her, but I do for those who loved her.

You really should.

Lea posted...

In general I consider it scummy when people demand they be proven scum with evidence, kind of a caught for the wrong reason thing

To be fair I technically do this a lot as town too. Though more in a 'explain yourself' kinda way

Yeah Sultan was hardly the only one on Kirby's case.

UltimaterializerX posted...

MZero, Death, and Kirby are not trustworthy. That HB lynch stinks.

Thats a couple of opinions outta nowhere.

Lopen posted...

I think they're both scum but I think HB is attempting to fall on the grenade for Sultan

Didnt they attack each other early on tho?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Did Kirby seriously spend all of T2P10 claiming he didn't actually say he scans guilty?

No he was saying he didnt scan other pople guilty.