Lurker > Mr Lasastryke

Lopen posted...

Also SEP unblock Ulti please

worst line in this topic tbqh (and that's saying something!!)

following up on what i said in my previous post, i kinda side with maria in the SEP/maria argument. i think the point maria is making is that she rarely posts in controversial topics anymore and hasn't for the past several years. so the fact that SEP and her haven't argued much for a long time doesn't say much in the grand scheme of things. if maria rarely posts then yeah, SEP is obviously rarely going to attack her. so these archives of 2018-present topics people are referring to don't reveal much. you'd have to go back to 2007-2010 era topics or something, when maria was a very active user in all sorts of topics, to really see how much SEP attacked her. now, i don't know how bad the attacks were or if SEP was really "bullying" maria. but i do agree with the point that the provided evidence isn't saying all that much.

MariaTaylor posted...

you can literally go on (archive) and find any precursor topic to this one that I have posted in; something where people are arguing about politics, culture, or identity. you could put MONEY on the fact that foolmo, STA, Lasa would be among the people nitpicking and responding with zingers to every thing that I say. and you would most likely come out ahead.

EDIT: I do want to mention in Lasa's defense that he PM'd me to ask something about this, and after we had that discussion I really don't remember him responding to any of my posts after that. so while I did bring him up because he would be contained in the same post history, I don't want to unfairly group him together as someone who is currently still doing this (to my knowledge)

i'll admit i nitpick a lot, that's probably one of the things i'm known for on this board (because i care way too much about minute stuff that doesn't matter in the least) but i don't think it's fair to say that's all i do when i respond to your posts. i usually do try to respond to the content of the arguments you make (like in the gun control argument, for instance). as for "responding with zingers," i don't think i do that often? i occasionally respond with stupid memes but i know i'm not a particularly funny person so i usually refrain from trying to make jokes.

as for me not responding to your posts, that's probably because before this topic, i haven't really seen you post about politics/culture/identity for awhile. i mostly see you in the vtuber topic now.

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10th place.

there wasn't too much stuff i cared about this year. portugal and iceland were good and france, norway and moldova were pretty funny but that's about it. last year was better tbqh.

yeah, i'm (obviously) following the news daily but it's mostly "[insert region of ukraine] is under attack now/is still under attack" over and over.

red sox 777 posted...

Yes, Republicans also live on this planet. But people have to be nice. You need to convince ordinary Republicans, not the politicians. Republican politicians are extremely responsive to Republican voters, unlike Democratic politicians who usually ignore their voters.

ok, i challenge you to convince ulti that climate change is, in fact, a gigantic problem and not a conspiracy theory made up by the left to have an excuse for more government control.

good luck.

HeroicCrono posted...

So why don't you people try reaching out to Republicans? They control the other half of seats in Congress.

...you think there's a higher than 0% chance republicans are going to do anything about climate change?

eternals was meh. not as bad as people were saying it was. i liked it about as much as shang-chi.

for a lot of people, the reason to vote for trump was "he makes people i hate really mad"

cases in point on this board: smartmuffin, extha

a beautiful mind is literally the only good thing akiva goldsman ever wrote.

as a spider-man 2 fan, the brief conversation between tobey and doc ock was probably my favorite.

i didn't love the movie but damn, the nostalgia was real in that scene.

i would have said blackpink. 74 million subscribers on youtube is no joke.

hasan is a great political commentator but he's also kind of an asshole.

GWB made a big deal out of the "someone murdering a pregnant woman should get charged with two counts of murder" point in the campaign for the 2004 election.

bump

red sox 777 posted...

By reading it and thinking about it logically, the same way you interpret any document.

why is it essential to think logically about a religious document? what does faith have to do with logic?

1. Is the interpretation of the specific passage consistent with the overarching message of the Bible?

i'm already not on board with this as i really don't see the bible having one, overarching message.

If you read the footnotes, you'll see there really aren't a lot of such differences. At least not in places that would dramatically affect the meaning.

the most obvious one would be the debate if "jahweh" refers to a single god (the accepted interpretation) or multiple gods. that's a pretty significant difference!

red sox 777 posted...

But you frequently criticize me for using terms like "the left" or "liberals" in a very general way, and defining the terms in a narrow and nebulous way so that they only refer to people I disagree with. So you are doing the same with Christians. I don't feel insulted but you usually have a strong reaction when I use words imprecisely so I thought I should say something.

I doubt Chris is saying that he can interpret the Bible 100% correctly. But he does believe that in this particular case, he is interpreting it better than the people he is criticizing. I feel very few Christians are arrogant enough to believe that they can interpret the Bible completely correctly.

fair point but this is also what i have a problem with. like extha said, there's absolutely no reason to assume that chris's interpretation of the bible is more valid than that of the pro-life people. to say "i'm better at interpreting the bible than those people" is also arrogant.

also, if you admit that you're unable to interpret the bible 100% correctly, then how do you know that you interpret it in a better way than the pro-life people? what exactly are you basing this off of?

As far as editing and translation goes, I'm not sure what you are referring to. Modern translations of the Bible generally are directly translated from the original languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek). They will even have footnotes in all the places where the translator isn't sure how to translate, there is ambiguity, or different ancient source documents have differences.

yes, the ambiguity and different source documents having differences is what i was referring to. also, there's the apocrypha.

HeroicCrono posted...

Let's not insult billions of people.

lol @ the notion that the simple observation that "i can totally correctly interpret a thousands of years old book that's been changed, edited and retranslated to death" is a pretty silly thing to say, is an "insult."

you've seen me post long enough to know when i'm actually being insulting!

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Nah I just know not to listen word for word of a translation four times over headed up by all white men several hundred years ago lol

Love thy neighbor is pretty easy

always love to hear the "no, only MY interpretation of this thousands of years old book is totally correct" argument from christians

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/adventurin2fear/status/1521322260434505728?s=21&t=7Sq5t9yponyFgNPavFscyQ

hard to believe that this was smartmuffin's favorite comedian!

abortion has shit to do with "unborn children." if people care that much about the issue, they should do their research.

Jakyl25 posted...

Something that is going to make me think he genuinely cares and is willing to put his Presidency and reputation on the line to fight for

i mean, it's biden

expecting this from him isn't too realistic

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway let's focus on the villains. Christians who have clearly not actually understood any teachings of Christ. Come on guys

in fairness, jesus did say that if you didn't hate your mother, wife and sisters, you couldn't be his disciple (luke 14:26)

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway Tony isn't always the best at framing what he is saying, we all know that,

lol wut? i just looked up what happened in my archive and xp is 100% correct. tony was talking about RBG being careless during the pandemic, it had literally nothing to do with "doing more to prevent this from happening." this wasn't a case of "tony had a point, he just framed it poorly," he outright didn't say what you claim he said.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

And you shouldn't need to study wording from prior statements because if you're telling the truth, you should know your prior statement aligns with whatever you're saying in your testimony.

"if you're telling the truth, you shouldn't have to prepare for what you're going to say because there's no way you're going to screw up" seems like a pretty bizarre thing to say. it's easy to misspeak, like rock said.

Jakyl25 posted...

Shoutout to SephG, wherever he is

Alongside his prediction that there is 0 chance 20,000 American people die of COVID

and his prediction that iraq is eventually going to turn into a stable, wonderful country in the post-saddam era

(where is he, anyway? did he get banned for the billionth time?)

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Liberals assumed Conservatives would disagree with Justice is the most important thing because they know Conservatives genuinely love to see non-convicted criminals get gunned down in the street. This isnt exaggeration, they fucking love it.

exactly this. it's not so much "liberals don't understand conservatives" as it is "the beliefs of conservatives are self-contradictory nonsense."

GuessMyUserName posted...

He tried to keep it light last year, because of me he'd say "sure his opinions on trans issues are silly but the rest is really smart,"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEz32OTifL4

yeah, this guy has some galaxy brain takes.

sounds like your brother would get along well with wang, though! wang used to make tons of posts in the gamergate topics about how awesome and smart jordan peterson is.

(sidenote: literally everyone in the comments section of that video is treating peterson like some kind of god. jesus christ youtube you always find new ways to disappoint me.)

Corrik7 posted...

Damn yinz made this liberal right wing now in 2021.

no, we didn't.

the idea that US politics in general has become more left-wing is preposterous and that meme is asinine.

bye duckbear

Nina Jankowicz said...

Who could forget Buff Bernie in 2016?

me, apparently, as i have no idea what the hell "buff bernie" is

Corrik7 posted...

Damn yinz pushed him away last year.

that's not what the meme says. it says his opinions are exactly the same but he's considered right-wing now because the political discourse in general has become more left-wing.

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144?s=21&t=179iGx3MuLUf7gdXV3jGAQ

Looks like he is no longer a leftist by his own admission, Corrik

lol this is one of the stupidest memes ever. what's he going to tweet next, the "tolerant liberal" meme?

Lightning Strikes posted...

I feel a question that needs to be answered here is what side was Biscuit on in the Rittenhouse topic as I didnt read it. The issue with that trial was that the law was bad is my understanding.

he was on rittenhouse's side, which is fine. but the issue with that topic was that biscuit continuously portrayed rittenhouse as a "good kid who just wants to be left alone," which is obviously false (though it wasn't as obvious when the trial was going on, granted).

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Yeah I have been avoiding saying it because I dont want Biscuit to think I am attacking him or dislike him as a person, but just like before I dont find the recaps as useful as some because every sentence has an embellishment or flare that shows you who hes rooting for.

agree with this, though i think it was more noticeable in the rittenhouse topic. i still appreciate these recaps but yeah.

red sox 777 posted...

Nonetheless, when people make statements that leave room for ambiguity, I feel that it is incumbent on the reader to interpret them in the light most favorable to the writer. Statements should be read so that, to the extent possible, they are internally consistent, lack surplusage, have depth and nuance, and have explanatory power.

man, if people on board 8 read my posts this way, i wouldn't get in nearly as many arguments

Metal_DK posted...

Very true, but social media seems to be a massive problem in the world today, and is only getting worse.

social media, sure.

but if you're saying "ban youtube and twitch," you're pretty much taking away the vast majority of my entertainment nowadays and i'm not on board with that.

HeroicCrono posted...

As long as they are only prohibiting speech in ways which US caselaw says would be okay if done by the government, I'm fine with it. I think the caselaw on free speech is pretty good - the basic underlying principle is, you cannot ban speech based on the opinions it expresses.

I mean I express conservative opinions all the time here and don't get modded.

i've gotten modded tons of times for insulting people on this board. pretty sure that's not according to the caselaw on free speech!

Corrik7 posted...

According to common United States meanings of conservative and liberal, libertarianism in the United States has been described as conservative on economic issues (economic liberalism and fiscal conservatism) and liberal on personal freedom (civil libertarianism and cultural liberalism).

This would relatively be a liberal to me, especially in regards to a social media platform.

This is sort of the idea where everyone to the right of where I stand is a nazi mentality or something.

Yes, I don't understand deleting your account over it. At all. It's a bit ironic because the left was mocking the right for "leaving" their social media because Trump was banned for some stupid offshoots and then they are gonna "quit" for a few weeks because someone they don't like now owns it? Idk. I personally don't get it. I find the polarized nature of American politics and the teams on both sides as huge contradictory idiots anymore lol.

i can understand liberals deleting their accounts because musk is going to make twitter an "anything goes" platform. if gamefaqs got rid of its ToU and everyone here were free to post racist and pro-nazi shit, i would possible leave this site too.

if they're deleting their accounts for no reason other than "omg musk is so right-wing i can't take it" then that's dumb, though, sure.

Corrik7 posted...

Where did I argue he is a socialist? I said he is a self-proclaimed socialist. Whether I think he is or not, he considers himself one based on what he believes.

Most label him moreso a libertarian.

ok, you were saying that you didn't understand why liberals were deleting their twitter accounts because musk is on the left. which he also isn't if he's moderate with right-wing tendencies. and libertarianism is extremely far removed from the left.

Corrik7 posted...

I think Musk says it best though. Moderate with economically more conservative / right of center tendencies, but socially clearly liberal.

even if this is true (which i doubt), this is far removed from socialism. not sure why you're arguing that he's a socialist.

red sox 777 posted...

The left (or whatever they should be called at this point) are being ridiculous over this. If they are for censorship I don't know that they still deserve to be given the title of "liberal." Actually, there's no doubt, they clearly don't. What idea is more anti-liberal than censorship?

so i assume you're vehemently against gamefaqs having a ToU?

Corrik7 posted...

A self-proclaimed socialist, liberal socially that supported Yang for president who was for UBI?

you conviently left out that he supported kanye west after supporting yang lol

musk is probably a "socialist" in the same way joe rogan was, i.e. he doesn't understand politics and is just saying random stuff. no way a person who whines about "overregulation and overtaxation" is actually a socialist.

Corrik7 posted...

I don't think it sounds weird. A lot of people use someone's first name to try and show seriousness of the situation or to demand attention to the statement.

yeah, agree with corrik on this one. i don't think that line sounds weird at all.

Nanis23 posted...

The vast majority of Twitter users are left wing
And left wing people hate Musk because they think he is a right wing ass
So I can't understand how one can say Twitter is already gross and will be even worse
Like, make up your mind, which side are you on?

yeah, twitter is so left-wing with ben shapiro, steven crowder and gina carano (just to name a few right-wing dipshits with over a million followers) regularly tweeting. just because a handful of racist assholes got banned doesn't mean "the vast majority of twitter users are left wing."

twitter has always been garbage and now there's literally no reason to go there anymore.

LordoftheMorons posted...

(I dont think the democrats are right wing thing is accurate for economic issues either, but it sure as fuck isnt accurate for social issues)

i was specifically talking about occupy democrats. but i'd say certain democrats in general are economically right-wing too.

Tom Bombadil posted...

yep, it always drives me nuts when leftists are perfectly fine body shaming or misgendering or ****-shaming or otherwise throwing out low blows they'd normally avoid, just if the target's a Bad Guy.

seems like a stretch to call occupy democrats "leftists," from what i'm seeing.

bump

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Who do you expect to gauge the law then? If you say Judges, they are just informed, but also imperfect people. They get things wrong constantly and some of them are just outright terrible.

"nobody's perfect so we should let joe schmoe who uses reasoning like 'i didn't like his aura' have influence on a trial" seems like weird reasoning. at least judges are informed, like you said.

the system can't function because it's fundamentally broken.

just because you're a reasonable person doesn't mean you're able to accurately gauge a lawsuit.