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The town mislynches this game has basically just rolled over and that was partly what allowed Lea to live for as long as she did (Isquen getting called out helped too though). I know Chris has been in charge of several lynches, but we haven't elected him king. Also, if you are town, why would you not help town by giving something more to look back at even if you ended up being mislynched.

Shortly before than he said he was thinking you starting the day but that Abacus looked sad today.

He has definitely considered Abacus too, more than once. Abacus also hasn't answered the question Chris asked him like 18 hours ago or something. He has been very certain in some of his lynches, not as much this one.

I was the one that said so while you were going through day 1 but didn't vote yet and I've listened to the ways people pointed out it could be possible because it was my idea that people were bringing more to the table. I didn't have that strong scum vibes from Abacus either, we're just not many left. It's not like everyone else too thought it definitely had to be you through setup meta. You have what two votes? I'm not sure why you think nothing can be done.

Would have been nice to have you scanned, I agree.

It's been a dull and slow day. Let's see.

So not that many vores placed, but it seems like Kirby, Abacus, Chris and I are leaning MZero with MZero and HB leaning Abacus. Sbell I'm not certain.

MZero, if you're awake, do you want to do more to change this stance? You were going through Abacus' posts and interactions with confirmed scum yesterday, didn't seem to finish.

Abacus, it sounded like you were going to look closer at yesterday early on when you seemed like the likely lynch, you never really did that, why?

It feels right now that we'll just end up lynching one of the two without any of them doing that much to prevent it. I know semi-inactive players have little to dig into, but I still wish we could get more to the table before deciding for one of them on PoE and gutfeel.

Platinum GET - Celeste

UltimaterializerX posted...

We do have video guides. They are, predictably, garbage.

Seems like something we should have done more for then.

Obellisk posted...

oof, way to fall on your face Abacus.

tossing it my way is not a helpful look.

You're not an Inquisitortle?

Hope everything is alright, Chris!

ViolentAbacus posted...

Do you mean be lucky to be tracked if I were scum and didn't use it? Or am I misunderstanding? Because in a 21 person game it'd be more likely not to be scanned than scanned. Which is why I highly doubt that the role thief wasn't used N1.

Oh, right. I meant you would be lucky if scum to be tracked the one night you didn't use it.

Kirby321 posted...

Did she even have a choice? After JC was lynched, the remaining lynch was clearly between her, Abacus, and MZero. It makes sense to go after the remaining suspects rather than pointing the finger at people who are more or less confirmed, regardless of alignment. Grasping at straws doesn't make people hesitate to lynch you.

She did it while JC was alive, before Isquen was killed.

Feels unnecessarily early to make a move like that, but we can also consider that tomorrow if we have to.

Gamefaqs is mostly used for older games and Q&As yeah.

I don't get why we never got video guides here tbh

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Possibly wifom situation. My other thought is lea purposefully pointed to Kirby and myself as potential third parties. I feel like it would be clever to throw Kirby in there as her scum buddy.

Sure, still is a bold move. We'll definitely lynch one of them today either way and hopefully we will know something tomorrow.

I think it's fine working under the assumption that it's 6 too, but do you believe MZero and Abacus are the final two? Does Lea name her remaining three scumbuddies as her 3 suspects?

*Leaves

Remember to not have Danish auto-correct on lol

Laves questions if Abacus is the only scum left I meant.

Yeah exactly, I don't see why he wouldn't use it on HB night 1 and your theory about it being on Pokemon nights still leaves questions about scum knowing Sbells Pokemon.

Well, he still hasn't checked in since going to sleep, we'll see what he brings to the table. I'm guessing the rest of MZero's analysis will be tomorrow too given what time it must be there.

I think MZero looks better, but I still can't see how Abacus can be the final scum.

I'll admit I didn't really consider options more than the first 5, but poll had room.

I had not experienced this game until a couple of days ago, but man is it great. I loved it the whole way through, which is impressive for a game that has so many different level gimmicks. Of course some were more fun than others, but nothing was annoying.

After completing everything, my final death count says 3829 deaths and a bit more than 22 hours played. Probably less playtime than that though, I've left it on a bit now and then, never long, but it adds up to something. I don't any level was significantly harder than others, my high death counts are mostly the longer levels. 7 and 9 were definitely my favorite levels, but again, all great. Despite loving the game, probably wont care to go for golden strawberries, such things usually aren't me though it's cool they're there. A replay at some point is likely though!

Final trophy was getting six strawberries without touching the ground, which I only did because of the trophy at the end. I had assumed level 9 was what I was missing for it to put. I had only checked that nothing was missable before starting and then just enjoyed the ride.

If anyone has some game recommendations based on that I absolutely enjoyed this game to its fullest, please share!

I don't see what town gains from us claiming right now tbh.

Chris, who do you think is the better lynch option?

Again, maybe someone obvious town is scum that has managed to play great, but is that really the best aporach? I hear you saying you can't find much reason against Abacus and MZero, and that's fair, but most of the cases against Chris or HB seem rather forced as well.

None of those things were pointless roles though, even if it was made so there was no system to meta.

If you think Chris is town for a moment, why would he mention that?

Oh, definitely, but again, the team that killed plum night 3. I mean, I'm not convinced we don't have scum in Kirby or HB either, though HB seems very unlikely. Not seeing Chris though. I humored the idea that Chris set up a good place in this game by bussing two players after Corrik died night 2 having been after Chris for two days, but at this point I just don't see it. Do you think Lea gets bulletproof to be a town trap or because it fits Boba Fett? Because she basically has to if you believe Chris can be scum at this point.

Obellisk posted...

he was just a "dumb hider" 50% and vanilla 50%
If he hid behind Town. town dies.
if he hid behind scum. no one dies.

They had literally nothing to fear from him. Just don't kill him and leave the opportunity to have him as a mislynch.

between Chris, hb and kirby, clearly there are better targets.

Oh, you meant dealt with by hoping for a mislynch, yeah, I agree it doesn't make sense, at least if all reamaining scum are in Abacus and MZero, but I don't think it would have been much better to kill Chris at this point though because 1. his energy is not on day 1-2 level, 2. red is also a great player that made some very accurate reads and predictions and 3. they can off Chris an even night, which wasn't possible with red.
Though why HB and Kirby lives if they're town, is weird to me, but this is also the team that randomly off'd plum night 3 instead of claimed trackers, both dead and alive. Furthermore, you and I would be better targets too given the cop scans but here we are.

I'm not saying one of the two can't be scum and that you can't make points against them, but it seems quite unlikely at this point. Then Kirby seems more likely to me. Nothing as far as we know preventing them from getting watched those nights and they have not killed him. He's just basically impossible to be scum alone.

For what it's worth, I don't think a team of five scum is that unlikely in a 21 player setting even without an indy. Especially because they've had two great roles basically all of them while town hasn't that been that loaded.

Obellisk posted...

I think at this juncture, Chris claiming a possible shot and not giving more info is sus.

if he shot Lea at some point and Lea didn't die, shouldn't we know this? what harm is there in Chris revealing flavor?

I'm a bit fuxked up over this. Also the fact that Chris is still not dead... and the fact that just notnkilling Red would have been a fine way to deal with him...

I believe we've been a stupid town this game and allowed misleading evidence dictate our game.

While I don't know exactly why Chris would keep it at that, he has not exactly ever wanted to claim mroe than necessary and a reason for bulletproof to exist was the point of that, which btw is his clear. HBs is the existence of a ninja, although Sultan could also track those nights.

I mean, it's an odd choice, but how would not killing red have dealt with him?

It's funny, when I thought I'd just be spectating, I was hoping HB (or Chris) was scum, just to watch the perfect play. Now I suddenly don't.

Uhh, not sure what happened with my wording there, but the point should be clear.

MZero posted...

Flavor scan would be even nights, as they got SBell's Pokemon not his Star Wars character

Yeah, but if you believe as you say, this still requires Abacus to very lucky not to be tracked the one night he doesn't use it and I don't see why he wouldn't then if he could.

Obellisk posted...

so for all we know, there is no role thief and hb and arti both happened to scan ulti on n2. and Isquen claimed the scan instead of hb... and since then hb has just been claiming to be action stolen to protect him and his remaining teammates and also to create confusion, because now we are trying to balance an action Thief into the setup.

There can be no role thief if HB is scum yes and he would've scanned you on N2 or N4. But it'd have to be one hell of a game for HB if he is.

MZero posted...

With no one claiming role stolen N1 when Abacus moved, I can't rule him out of being the thief. In FFXIV mafia I could commute once per game and flavor cop every night except when I used my commute, so it could be a role like that (that was a town role but still)

Right, but scum team still needs to get the flavor scan from somewhere that is not Abacus N1, so where would that then be

Obellisk posted...

Ulti was flavor scanned by Arti n2 correct? and that was his only scan he got off before we lynched him day 4.

Then isquen claimed a correct flavor scan on my pokemon character, so even nights there is certainly a flavor scanner for scum.

and we have Hb that claims to be flavor scanner but has been constantly action stolen.

Has anyone else claimed to have their action stolen?

Well, HB has successfully made all his flavor scans though. While a scum HB technically could have made up all three scans there with the price of selling Isquen, they definitely have an actual flavor cop.

No one else has claimed to have actions stolen, no.

MZero posted...

good timing! i'm working on some stuff. Spoilers I think we should lynch Abacus

Well, despite leaning you, I do look forward to what you're working on. I was thinking Abacus until I couldn't get it to add up.

Alright, I can't work out Abacus being the only scum left. Though he can still be one of the two, I'm now leaning towards not going after him today.

Let's see, if he's the role thief on Star Wars night he would've moved N1. If we try to assume Role Thief is actually working on Pokemon nights, then for scum to get Sbell's Pokemon role they need to be two left by this point or Sbell is somehow scum, the latter obviously being unlikely.

If you think there's just one scum, it basically has to be MZero being Role Thief / Flavor Cop. If there are two scum left, Abacus is definitely on the table again, but Role Thief and Flavor Cop still needs to exist. The only way I can see Flavor Cop not existing is if HB is scum and scanned Sbell night 2 but claimed to scan Ulti instead, which I also find very unlikely. Since Kirby's roles are confirmed, an Abacus/Kirby team is impossible unless the flavor scan also works on opposite nights. While Chris is a player I know can outplay everyone, he's too close to confirmed town for me to support that. There's nothing technical preventing Abacus / MZero I suppose, but the bussing scenarios there from all the way back to when Lea and Isquen were alive are definitely still weird. MZero can also be scum with Kirby without roles not adding up at least.

Unless I'm missing something here, signs point to MZero right now. While I usually got town vibes from him and most interactions with him, PoE is too strong and I'm not going to use interactions too much since I have little to no idea how people usually anyways. I'll admit I'm struggling to pair Pikachu with a Star Wars character right now, but that can be a lie I suppose.

It's a shame I was always around for those hours where red wanted company and then he dies just as I arrive.

MZero, if you're around, what do you think is the right play today?

Flavor scan is on the night where it's a lot weaker than it would be the other night. I guess if no one else flat out lied about their Pokemon like Isquen did, then it's not dangerous, tracker can be stolen and watcher could wait until tonight while red can't die tonight if they really wanted him dead...
But if that's the plan, then that still requires town to screw up the night Ulti died and it was pure luck for scum they did. Did they have Lea send their kill believing she was never living another day regardless or just risked it?
I know it's the scum team that didn't think poison was worth using backup on, but these plays are too weird if at least one remaining scum isn't in a better position than MZero and Abacus, I'm not ready to think this game is 100% won.

No wait, was that what Isquen used his backup on... but he also correctly Flavor scanner Sbell, so it's a flavor cop they have on the other night.

Plum I could see being because he's a good player that might have had power and also it was also early enough. But red makes so little sense with all the confirmed. I was a bit afraid I'd die before playing lol.

There's a redirector on the other night of the role thief right? I believe it was Kirby that was redirected one night?

Well, if you're town knowing we likely reach a 3 vs. 2, don't do what town has done so far and give up, but try to out exactly what makes your suspects seems scum and we'll be left with some strong cases in that scenario.

I enjoy trying to figure out the thoughts behind those kills, but gotta give it to scum, they've made that hard lol.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Oh and welcome to the game ctes. Friend of the game death also is European so we are used to those type of time delays.

And thanks, yeah I know! I just wanted to say it before I potentially fell asleep in the middle of a discussion lol.

I don't know anything about how people usually play. I read the previous game too so I have one thing to compare to for Sbell, Kirby and Mzero I suppose, still not much, but it seems weird to be that a losing team of Lea, Abacus and MZero would just go at each others throats. Like, what's the winning strategy there? Now Abacus didn't want to lynch Lea yesterday while Lea didn't actually go for Abacus despite mentioning him as scum in line with her bussing. That being the scum team seems more likely, because they had to try something. Then I suppose if Abacus actually doesn't flip scum or game doesn't end with his lynch, we can take it from there. Almost seems too easy, but that's coming in on day 8 for you lol.
Mostly wanted to say that both MZero and Abacus being scum seems unlikely.

Did abacus also claim flavor? Or was that only MZero.

Right, thanks. I also recall that when Kirby was posting walls of inner thoughts after gladiating chang I was thinking those would've been very impressive to fake lol. It's not like Lea switching opinion on Kirby on and off couldn't simply be in hopes of having more town members to push fake lynches against either. Yeah, it seems unlikely and not the right place to focus, but still leaving the door open for scum watcher. Ulti wasn't as confirmed town as the other kills in the general opinion and from his hints, you yourself thought roleblocker, which wouldn't be as big a priority.

Remind me then, what has Abacus said about his role so far?

Well, red can't be killed the other night would be my guess.

Can you remind me exactly why Kirby is seemingly confirmed town?

Honest question, this will the first of "I didn't pay enough attention because I wasn't playing."

Going back and looking at Leas posts in the topics still on the board now that she has flipped.

Topic 9 post 148 Lea mentions that if she disbelieves a scanner, its Kirby. Votes MZero right afterward because of non-reaction to Arti situation. Post 165 then says Mzero, Isquen and VA are scum and gut is screaming Kirby for the fourth one. Cannot say more as to why than just gut. Lea bussed Isquen pretty hard.
Topic 10 post 246 Lea makes a new scum list. JC, MZero and VA are on it now (and Isquen that was basically dead at that point). Kirby is in prob town now. Takes Chris mentioning night action logic for Lea to instantly bumb Kirby to 100% town.
Topic 11 post 314 Lea makes a long analysis about why Kirby might be scum again despite the above, still sticks to MZero for a non-reaction which Mzeros play taken into consideration isnt that surprising.

Lea has been bussing her teammates this game before they died, does she go that hard for MZero with so little actual argumentation against him if hes her teammate? That coupled with the sheep and Ben interactions on day 2 makes it harder to believe MZero is scum, even if all of it has little to do with his own play, so I don't believe he's the right place to look first.
Im not sure Lea mentions all her remaining scum buddies there, but does she leave them all out after Isquens death was written on the wall? Doubt so. VA is the obvious choice for a scum member there at this point, but Im not completely ready to rule out Kirby either despite him having strong things in favor of being town. Lea tried to gather town points but defending Arti a lot so that when hed flip, shes look better. Based solely on this game only, I feel its very likely Lea would voice suspicion of her teammates to look better when they flipped and she some seemingly good points about Kirby. From the posts mentioned above, it sounded like thats where her vote would be if she was a town member trying to find scum. Theres something about that interaction that seems a bit off to me. Given how fast cop and doctor died, I'll raise an eyebrow tomorrow if he's still alive then.

I would like to look closer at Kirby and VA throughout the topics, though that's probably for the morning.

Alright, well, this is rather late in a game to join in on what might as well effectively be my first game on this board, but hopefully it will still be fun. I have been reading this game as it went from the start, but didnt take notes as went nor particularly try to figure things out as I had not expected to end up playing. The replacement list was originally rather long, and I wasn't even on it. Have tried to gather as much as possible after replacing in though. Its a shame so many topics purged. I went to the logs and all the topics are there, but its not all too useful as not all posts show. That appears to include all of Leas posts, so its probably some account settings thing at least partly. Seeing as thats our most recently flipped scum, thats highly unfortunate.

Some thoughts on the state of the game coming in next post.

Also, should mention right away that Im European. Ill be active, but when Im not there in what is evening for you guys (MZero aside), its just because Im sleeping.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Europe has Nations League as well. We drew France in both that and the WC and the WC last time >_>

But started out beating them at their homeground, after being down, woo!

It's Koffing or Cutiefly and there are no other choices.

The internet has given Lechonk the reception he deserved.

Argentina completely humiliated Italy.

Chiellini's last ever international has him taken off in the break for getting torn apart by Argentina's offensive. Didn't expect him to be on the full game, but it would've been nice to have him substituted while the crowd could cheer him off.