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Sorozone posted...

At this point in time I think the Bucks are repeating.

Et tu, Sorozone?

I still Believe

JeffreyRaze posted...

Beating the game sends all remaining checks so you're good

:O

That makes sense! I was wondering if everyone did 100% every time lol

Wow i wasn't tagged how rude

I guess I'll replace

Oh

gg town

I'm not blaming anyone, it just comes with the territory

Anyway

##Vote: changmas

good night

One big problem I've had this game is that basically all the king discussion happens in the 8 hours before deadline AKA when I'm asleep

And looks like it's happening again!

death's list -

Untouchables
Changmas (just because of the vigclaim really)

Likes
Red (This is mostly gut, I cannot explain it well. But red is doing that thing where I see eye to eye with him a lot)
Scare (Not really lynchable I know, but I got the idea that you care for the game moreso than usual)

Neutral
Lopen (already talked too much about him)
Kirby (Hard to get a bead on, has some weird logic sometimes but good logic at other times)
Sbell (I think he really did put in more effort today, and I have forgotten what he did wrong day1, I may need to look into that)
IGCD (cant read him, seems a little more active than usual, but hasnt done much for me)
Han (His attack on me seems forced. Other than that I dont really have anything against him.)

The suspects
Plum (Generally paranoid about things I dont think town would worry too much about)
Sultan (Here and there Sultan sometimes something I do not understand or do not follow as 'how did he come to this conclusion?'
Tidus (same thing as Sultan really. He looked better day1 IMO)

The big suspects
Mzero (conveniently disappeared day1 and is generally very inactive when scum)
Rana (really now comes across as a player unused to being scum in this new b8 environment the more silent he gets)

as far as I can tell red did not give a list and Scare was king. Bummer

htaeD posted...

You know its funny but thats not the first time you pulled up those lists

I know I copied and pasted it from the last time. Lopen hadn't flipped yet though!

Lopen posted...

Cases and suspect list in order. Bolding entries I would put up for lynch. Italicizing those I think are more likely town than not. People that are neither, not a strong enough read to die preventing the lynch. Kept untouchables to one-- I would not fault you for any other choices, m'lord, with sufficient accountability shown on your end.

Suspect #1 MZero - Set up a double kill by AFK. He claims he trusts me because just lynching MZero would be easy yesterday, but scum Lopen setting up the double kill of Crescent->MZero is just a stronger play. Certainly once Crescent flips town, this is not a claim to make.
Suspect #2 Tidus - The evolution of his suspicion on me makes no sense and feels like he's playing it in a way to seem townlike more than it being authentic. I see no town logic to constantly mentioning your power role and it seems like he's using it as an excuse to do nothing. I suspect he's been coached by scummate to do this because we've seen some horrible scum games from Tidus, basically a way to distract himself from incriminating himself.
Suspect #3 SBell - Went early with a weak case to be king. Has been carefully navigating suspecting me to the point where it feels more like a way to come off as townish rather than genuine thought process.
Suspect #4 Sultan - Jumping around, making too many salient points. I think he lacks the panic he would have as town. At the same time, he has had some completely off the wall reactions like saying Crescent seemed scummy yesterday and then turning around and suspecting me because it was town on town. He seems a bit of a fearmonger more than someone with a consistent thought process, and his reaction to being "set up" with the King vote rubbed me the wrong way too. Doesn't like any king reps, won't suggest his own.
Suspect #5 Death - Similar case to SBell, with one caveat. 1. I feel like after pointing out that I was more suspicious of people giving me a town pass, he continued to back off and SBell intensified. 2. He gave me considerably more flack than SBell for it yesterday, and defended Crescent much more than SBell yesterday.
Suspect #6 Rana/Sheep - Standard inactive. Doesn't really change the basic idea that I think inactive for him = scum or town vanilla. However now that he's replaced, UNTOUCHABLE SHEEP, as I would rather give the slot a chance to play and the inactive lynch is a copout.
Suspect #7 Han - He has been playing the game seeking out scum. He seems power hungry which has motivations as each alignment but I think for a player like him he sees unkillable day vig and becomes Gollum, y'know? Minus loving gameses. Tough to read though.
Suspect #8 Kirby321 - Has contributed a lot, none of it is completely weird and I have prodded him about it with satisfactory responses. Think he'd slip harder by now, but not 100% confident due to lack of exposure. Didn't like his reaction to the king vote orders late in topic 5 but thought SBell, Tidus, and Sultan all looked worse for reacting to it than he did for floating it.
Suspect #9 Plum - In dead town chat in Psych me and Crescent had a lot of talk about town plum. I think this format overwhelming him seems likely, and I appreciate him continuing to be paranoid of me due to that. Scum hammermonger or whatever he was saying about red is another example of paranoia plum. Like he's wrong, but I appreciate it-- I think he'll level out and be a boon to town eventually, when the format gives him a bit more data to digest.
Suspect #10 Chang - Uncountered vig claim that shot a target that seemed reasonable. Think content has been fine. Only problem with him is he seemed overdramatic on the likelihood of losing his vig shot and he overreacted to killing Ben the vanilla calling it a "giga throw." It raises some eyebrows.
Suspect #11 M'lord - M'lord! I'll never forget when you got me through those times. I think if you were scum you would easily just phone it in and win.
Suspect #12 IGCD - Everything he's done has tracked to a consistent viewpoint of someone trying to solve the game at minimum effort to me. I like that he's not overreaching with any cases either.
Suspect #13 red13n - Seems pretty town. Maybe could fake it. Think he would idle more though-- he's high effort faking if he is which doesn't seem likely. Also he actually semi-cooperated with my demands which to me is super town for red, because it was my demand. red dunking on me for the sake of it as scum rather than trying to comply slightly to avert a meltdown seems likely.

Crafty move by Lopen to list 5 suspects to avoid the rule of 3/4. Of course, from my perspective death has to be the scum in there if there is one. I find it amusing all three flipped scum had SBell in their scum pile

Han-

Town
IGCD
chang
Scare
Lopen
Red

Townish
Sultan

????
MZero
Rana (Sheep)
Plum

Scummish
Tidus
Kirby
Death

Scum
SBell

plum -

Townish
Kirby
Sultan
Death

Scummish
Red
Lopen
Tidus
Sbell

Rule of (4) says red unlikely scum. If death is not scum Han just didn't put any of his team in there. I would imagine plum would put one teammate in his town reads too. Gonna grab Lopen's list

Obellisk posted...

That does paint mzero in a negative light.

strong defenses on 2 scum.

I wasn't really defending Han. Sultan explicitly asked for reasons not to lynch him so I gave one

I originally had a scum read on you for taking the easy route my trying to kill Lopen (I thought Lopen was town though), then having only rana and myself on your scum list, and you were trying to rationalize ways that ben was killed by scum and thus shading changmas basically

well Lopen flipping scum threw a wrench in there, and then I remembered you tried to campaign on killing him day 2 and now we're here

I haven't even reached a conclusion! My initial instinct was to doubt that you would come in D2 and try to kill Lopen, so if anything I was trying to debunk my original idea

and I still think it would be weird for the whole scum team to link each other like that

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I can't really imagine why Scum would have shot Ben. Unless something weird is at play and they shot elsewhere, but with a Bus Driver being dead, that feels negligible to imagine. A Scum Chang killing makes sense but not Ben. Not with all the fingers pointing at him.

If Chang is Town and Ben is Town then I'm confident in Death. Plum looks awful for voting him for King here.

Kirby also came out of gate posting essentially fluff. IGCD looks Scummy as fuck but that's my Townread of him.

Lopen is still obviously Town, so Death just stating he will get Lopen killed today is completely wasteful and condemning, so, he'll be on the chopping block today as he deserves.

Han comes in and shuts it down. Could be distancing

htaeD posted...

Kingvote: Death

I will run on the 'death to Lopen' platform, so vote me if you want him to die.
(Though I hope I am not the onle one)

masterplum posted...

Kingvote:Death

Busy right now, but going to reread back on Lopen and Ulti. Big question regarding lopen is how telegraphed his kill on crescent was. I want to try to figure out exactly when he decided to kill crescent.

Also vigs should never shoot N1 what the hell it always ends badly.

did scum come in with a plan to get death kinged? hmm

htaeD posted...

Ah so I am your top scum then Mzero?

Yeah, although I'm not sure what to make of you coming in Day 2 declaring your intentions to kill Lopen if kinged. You did back off of it pretty quickly though

also iirc plum voted you pretty much immediately after

Obellisk posted...

Who is everyone's top choice?

Me ofc
Changmas
Red
Scare
Death

Started up Hollow Knight and had all the Dreamers so I just went ahead and beat the game

still a ton of checks left though

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

You might have to set it as your "main" console for that ps+ account.

Yup. My main account doesnt have PS+ but my other account does. I play online with both

Imagine if the Warriors blow a 3-1 lead to the Grizzlies without Ja

ScareChan posted...

was Lopen one of the people pro MZero being King day 1?

Lopen voted me because I 'gut' killed SBell in Elden Ring but walked in back when I said I actually had a read and it wasn't 100% gut. Han sarcastically said I would be a good king if you wanted a king who was absent. Chang I believe voted for me and red I think pushed it at some point as well

Well I'll be damned. Lopen got me good. I guess my scum not retracting fake claims is bunk

Lopen being scum looks worse for Scare. If Lopen was killed instead of Han, Scare looks better for defending Han and pushing for Lopen instead, thus making Han look better too. Also, iirc Lopen was the only guilty scanning player on Tidus' scum list

Kirby died for "failing his objective" but was also modkilled. Not really sure what to make of that. Failing in of itself doesn't seem like it warrants a modkill. Not much use speculating on it though

UltimaterializerX posted...

Radio drama?

You don't want to know

colliding posted...

Locke/Celes forever

more like Forever Rachel

_stingers_ posted...

I thought everything after 10 wasnt worth mentioning. Like what are we gonna do vaan and penelo c'mon

Snow and Serah is good stuff

not that I would vote for them over Tidus

So close to all series being 2-2

Go to the address and butter the floor

Ludicolo too good

Ludicolo > Politoed > Poliwrath > Kingdra > Azumarill > Walrein > Seismitoad

Tag

A lot of VC stuff I want to buy

Obellisk posted...

Someone said earlier that the multiple godfathers gives scare a better look killing the cop.

btw this was me

so obviously my contributions were memorable you just didn't remember it was me who said them!

I will say though that Han was very quick to call red town without very strong reasoning

Town read on Lopen. You, Sultan, and chang are pretty much confirmed town. Kirby is almost definitely not scum. That leaves red, death, and Scare

Red is purely PoE. I haven't had much of a read on him all game. I'm historically pretty bad at reading him too

death I had a scum read on him early. Most of his early stances felt lazy. He started day 2 going after Lopen and then his scum list for Scare was Rana and me, the two most inactive slots and thus easiest to call scum. He's been better since but

Scare would be the last one in the PoE, but like I said he has a couple factors in his favor

my reads have been pretty bad this game. I rely on votes and votals more than I realized

You've already said it's between Lopen, Scare, and me. Obviously I don't want you to kill me and I think I've made my Lopen read very clear

So yeah, kill Scare please. What am I going to say that hasn't been said? He killed the cop and defended Han very hard yesterday. I'd prefer red or death because two godfathers flipping and the kill going through despite Scare being blocked makes him look a little better, but you aren't considering them so Scare it is

Obellisk posted...

Mzero, if you are town, I need something, anything, from you. day ends in 12 hours and you've given no input on the day, at least, nothing memorable.

I'm getting serious deja vu to several people telling you to do something when Scare was king and you being like "what's the point he already made up his mind"

you literally gave up when Scare was king and he didn't even threaten to kill you lol

Seadra is cool but I like Poliwhirl just a little more. The rest I don't care much for

Poliwhirl > Seadra > Sealeo > Lombre > Palpitoad

tagging me at 3 am or 1pm on a work day is not going to do anything guys

and I'm vanilla

I think if I could have any Pokemon as a pet, it would be Spheal

Spheal > Lotad > Poliwag > Horsea > Tympole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZvHzTpe8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNV6lf6z0y0

Han-

Town
IGCD
chang
Scare
Lopen
Red

Townish
Sultan

????
MZero
Rana (Sheep)
Plum

Scummish
Tidus
Kirby
Death

Scum
SBell

plum -

Townish
Kirby
Sultan
Death

Scummish
Red
Lopen
Tidus
Sbell

Pretty much opposite lists from plum and Han, other than both leaning scum on Sbell and Tidus and townish on Sultan. Lopen, death, and red being in opposite tiers is interesting (and Kirby but not considering him today)

Lopen posted...

I actually came to the exact opposite conclusion, Mzero, that Scare felt he could stick his neck out further to save Han because "if Han flips godfather, lynching cop no longer looks as bad" so his scum equity doesn't go up as much.

The main guy that looks ironclad from that flip right now is Chang as I highly doubt starting with enough points for two godfather + extra kill makes sense.

That is the other way to look at it, yes. I'm realizing that this is a pretty similar situation to you killing Crescent over me. He has to outlive Han for it to work... which he did. Maybe scum is just thinking two step ahead of me

TidusOfTheX posted... I have no idea who is highly town but my top 3 possible scum are:
Sbell
Lopen(pretty big gap between Lopen and Sbell)
Han

If Scare is scum, that's a bad look for Lopen. Obviously scum wasn't worried about SBell or Han being scanned

I will say Scare looks slightly better with two GFs flipped. If scum invested in a bunch of GFs there's no need to make yourself look bad by murdering the claimed cop. In fact, he'd probably want to keep the cop alive to get the GFs scanned inno. Of course, if the rest of the team still scanned guilty they might have decided it was worth it to take Tidus out anyway

##King: changmas

imo scum is in red/Scare/death and you listed two of them as your top reads so you have my sword

renting an apartment

Yeah I'll just go default this time

Smartphone gacha game

Lebron lost his shot at being the GOAT in 2011

Even without that MJ is better though

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Yes they do! If Scum's kill was stopped, why do you think that the reason won't be revealed????

Your logic DEPENDS on somebody blocking a Scum kill and not coming forward with it.

Or you forgot how this game works and think that Lopen would've been lynched in 10 minutes before the other reason that the kill was stopped gets put forward.

perhaps scum shot Kirby and assumed he was the independent and wouldn't claim

but who would assume such a thing