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MOM was an awesome movie, but thank goodness Wanda is out. She's a menace, just like all mutantkind.

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This season was amazing, but it was also rushed, at the same time. Something show did so well in the first two seasons was lingering longer on moments to give them space to breathe, and I felt like this particular season was cramming two seasons into one. Sally especially went so quickly through her arc that it never had a chance to ruminate in any of the stages she was in.

But all in all, the season was really very good. I just hope this pace doesn't remain in the next season.

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Wait, we're having a Saturday round?

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BlueCrystalTear posted...

It's okay. I'll survive.

Thanks for a nice contest, Suprak! I'll be sure to catch the next one. Though I may randomly come in and save for the rest of this.

Also thanks to Ermine and MI for the trades. You were both very reliable partners! While there are some characters left I like, there's no one I felt is worth trading for. So you can be released from your obligations with me. Thanks again!

@BlueCrystalTear She's not out.

What a way to go into the weekend.

Try again, Suprak.

Nope!

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Post-Credits is Kamala Harris

Well, he predates Dr. Strange!

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Remington Steele as Doctor Fate has me hyped beyond all human understanding.

Just saved in Save My MCU Character Day 86, and here I'am, saving in Save My MCU Character Day 87.

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BlueCrystalTear posted...

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NEVER move to Justice League legacy numbering. That is an insane can of worms.

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Well, that's one of the nicer things someone has said to me on the board! I enjoy the conversation as well. I like to be challenged - just chocking it up to bad misinterpretation and Chris just being his normal self.

IfGodCouldDie posted...
And just for clarifications sake, I don't consider any of your opinions to be wrong. I just think we look at things differently. Like I don't really hold fiction to a very high standard and it really take a lot of egregious mistakes for me to really criticize things that a franchise might be doing. When I see flaws in characters or their development I see it more as a humanizing quality because I constantly see people that are trying to better themselves fall back and make mistakes. I also see very smart people make stupid mistakes so again when I see that in fiction it comes across to me as much more natural than others do.

I think that's totally a fair way to watch things. My frustrations weren't even in Loki changing as a personality so much as dumbing down as a being, and I think my sticking point is that the scope of the games Loki has been shown to play are equivalent to the time-nonsense. Loki can be good - but he shouldn't lose his ability to play the game, if that makes sense. He certainly should have seen a lot of things coming, or been able to respond to them more swiftly. I'd rather engage on this discussion anyways, IfGod! Planets or dimensions, the intellect of Loki is a defining positive characteristic for the character, and to lost that I think loses the bite of the character.

And for you, IfGod - I wasn't indemnifying stepfamilies. I've never been great at communicating my points, but I was trying to show a similarity in lack of context in "the realms are planets, therefore Loki isn't that impressive" to "Laufey is the real father, therefore the relationship with Odin is irrelevant." Clearly, didn't communicate it well to you, so I'll apologize. Not my intent to actually upset you, since it seems I did? I was trying to be equally as facetious since it would take an absolute monster to actually think that being a stepfather, stepchild, etc is somehow inferior to blood relationships. But apparently Chris thinks that lowly of me, so I guess I've never demonstrated myself to be more than a shitty human being. Thanks, Chris!

EDIT: Post won't format right on my phone for whatever reason.

mnkboy907 posted...

I'm not sure why you seem to be getting so heated about this. Or maybe I'm just misinterpreting your tone.

If you mean me, I the only post that has me upset is IfGod's really disingenuous attempt to make it seem like I'm somehow anti-adoption or that I only consider blood relationships to be binding. Like, it actually made me furious. But maybe I should just not engage. It's a habit. I'll call off. Maybe I'm wrong, if that's the way my posts are interpreted. And it doesn't help that Chris dogpiles on. I generally don't communicate my points well, so I've tried to disengage from conversations on the board, but sometimes I just can't help but get baited into a conversation.

TheRock1525 posted...

Yes because he says "my sons" when he dies which is legally binding in the MCU.

If I ever write an MCU movie, I'm going to make sure that when Shang-Chi dies, he calls Hawkeye and the Abomination his sons. And I want Rock's post to be the first thought in EVERYONE'S mind when Black Widow 12 comes out.

Loki was Odin. So didn't he raise himself?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I disagree with them being similar. I don't believe that the love of family is purely restricted to who you are blood related to. The distinction between planets and dimensions is important because they are not the same thing in the slightest.

You want to engage about the meaning of fatherhood, then you want to engage in contextuality, which was my original point in the earlier posts. You want to engage on planets, ignoring that at least one realm is entirely presented as an alternate dimension (Hel), then you have to accept that you are picking and choosing when context matters in your discussion in regards to the narrative, which is my original point, when it came to Loki's characterization being mismanaged.

Like, this is just an insanely perfect example of getting up in arms in the EXACT way I was when someone was responding with a complete barebones-wikipedia-style facts-only-ma'am response, which is what you did. It's actually amazing.

Well I figured if you wanted to be extremely nitpicky about pointless things, I should hold to your own standard.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Considering what we learn about Odin in Ragnorok he still isn't as bad as his dad.

Not his dad

I mean, if you're going to correct me on planets, get that shit right

It's the main reason I dislike Loki's character evolution. It's a terrible crutch for writers.

I was going to do a detailed nitpick on how the movies' presentations are markedly different from film to film, but I think there's bo real reason to. I don't want to clog the topic with arguing anyways. But if you equate all mortals as the same, then the show is for you. It's not for me. There is gross mischaracterization that I just don't believe should be handwoven so easily. There is always context to Loki's failures. He earned his arrogance from somewhere. It would be like thinking you can chastise Jim Gordon in No Man's Land for doing a bad job, after showing up three months in. Sure, you can point out the weaknesses, but he earned his position somehow. If you can't recognize context, you're doomed to live in exile from those who do.

Probably a lot of typos but I'm on my phone. Sorry.

No, IfGod. It is not apples to apples. They have the Rainbow Bridge, they use the tesseract, they're covering infinite distances across creation. Again, Hel, too, is not a planet, but a dimension at the very least. If I threw a human on another planet, yes, they wouldn't be the smartest being there, most likely. But if I throw a being that can traverse across the universe with powerful weapons that can unmake reality, blah blah blah, yes. l DO expect them to not suddenly be the most idiotic slack-jawed moron in the universe. There is a level of competency you still expect in execution that Loki suddenly lacked.

And traveling to a different country? If I travel to ANY country on Earth, I still know physics, I still know math. I have a phone I can use to navigate and translate. And if I didn't, I know to get something to fulfill that role. Now, imagine if I'm thousands of years old and travel to countries as a career choice. Suddenly, I'm dropped in a country I haven't visited before and I'm helpless? No. This was a narrative choice to make Loki more relatable, but it diminished Loki as a god into Loki as sort of just some guy. Your metaphor falls apart as soon as you translate it to the reality of the character. Context matters, whether it's worlds or dimensions or tufts of floating cotton candy that hang outside of the space-time continuum.

I'll concede that, except Hel clearly isn't, but even so, that is nitpicking a small detail that really doesn't matter. Especially in the first film, they are intended in presentation to be different "realms". Dimensions, planets, who cares? It's not germane to my point.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Where in the MCU is this established?

Oh, I'm sorry you're right, he isn't operating in the nine Norse dimensions which each are comprised of various races explicitly shown in different movies, as well as trying to play ball with the Chitauri and the Grandmaster. "Where in the MCU is this established?" Try every movie.

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I have to say that I was honestly not a huge fan of season 2, especially the back half, but these three episodes were just riveting - EXCEPT the extremely rushed, off-screen death of Stormfront. I think that Stormfront, from the beginning was carried entirely on the acting. The writing just couldn't weave something juicy out of the character last season. That said, the slow rollout of Soldier Boy has been intriguing. I have to say that I'm most intrigued by M.M. so far this season as well. Can't wait to see where his story goes.