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But do you not see how your words look like excuses, Wang?

"They didn't know better." Grown ass men "not knowing better". Who's to say the same can't be said about ISIS? "They think it's their time." Yeah, and their time involved hanging men on the street because they had the wrong amount of melatonin in them.
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Wanglicious posted...

and don't be terrified of them. that's the worst thing you can do really, laugh at 'em, mock 'em, give them the ridicule they deserve, but don't be scared of them.

Don't be afraid of the group that slaughtered people of my race because they were born? Okay, sure.

I don't find myself able to laugh at something that isn't funny. I'd rather have my boot on their neck.

But oh I suppose that makes me "just like them".
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"So you're the true non-violent protesters?"

"I'm not even say that we're non violent. I'm say that we didn't aggress, we didn't initiate force against anybody. We're not non-violent, we'll fucking kill these people if we have to."


Yeah these are a group of people who should totally be ignored.


"Now as you can see today, we greatly outnumber the 'Anti-White', 'Anti-American' filth. And at some point, we will have enough power that we will clear them from the streets forever!" "That which is degenerate in white countries, will be removed!"



*Looks at skin color*

Yeah that's not terrifying at all.

Not at all....
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"Doesn't know better"

What are they, children now?

They know exactly what they're spreading.
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*Alligator takes car keys*

*Checks car's condition and sees it's about to break down anyway, and my character has no mechanic points*

*Abandons keys*

"Ginger decides that the car keys aren't worth messing with an extremely dangerous alligator.

The alligator is sad that his strategy doesn't work, and loses a point of morale."


(First time I actually picked the "Abandon keys" option)
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greengravy294 posted...

black people were willed into existence by dragonballs when vasco de gama sailed to africa and wanted some dudes to do work for him, shenron just accidentally made them black

I can vouch for this.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/897623956353564676

Damn, I ALMOST called it. I said it would be Tucker

It's funny.

Hillary lost, but Trump is the one who can't get over her.
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Why won't wang hear antifa out?
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That said I'm reminded at that guy who threw his shoes at Bush. Thought it was pretty funny at the time.


God I miss Bush.


...


Oh GOD, I miss Bush?!
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Dude...

Trump's a shitlord to be sure, but that doesn't justify throwing acid in his face.
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LtMplusCATS posted...

So that's the third time Wang has put off his Neo-Nazi talk, right?

I'm drumming my fingers in a condescending tone.

(That's what it's called right? When you tap your fingers on a table?)
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Like come on guys, if I can give you ground and admit to feeling upset about my Trump vote, you've gotta see why you going "Anti-who?" and scratching your heads while demanding validation of their terrible actions is frustrating to me

A lot of times we hear it from the user equivalent of infowars, so it's easy to dismiss to the back of your mind.

But okay yeah, that acid incident was shitty, and so is any other time they tried to cause trouble.
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XIII_rocks posted...

Swift, in the way he handled ertyu.

I know this is off topic but.... what happened again? >_>
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Kinglicious posted...

This isn't quite what you asked for, you wanted to get a rundown of the people who'd call themselves Nazis today. Some are neo Nazis and that's a pretty straightforward one - stormfront. Very little nuance needed there and not much difference. They didn't grow in the same environment but support the same ideology.

Should be on my main tomorrow and can get into this and going into detail of this rally then (also known as your continued asking me of why I say protesting this one was dumb). The two can fit together, I think.

...Okay then.
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I've heard of people shutting down one of Milo's speeches, but no I never paid attention to the exact group who did it.


And in fairness, when a bunch of right leaning people on the internet start complaining about someone/some group en masse, I tend to assume it's yet another conspiracy theory. Birthirsm for example.

Though also to be fair, those tend to be the loud people on the right. Not the ones with sense.
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...So did Wang ever explain how neo-nazis are different yet?
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Guys, you can handle one more topic with her name in it. >_>
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MenuWars posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

my great aunt dated a nazi.

...yeah.

Was she a french revolutionary planning to assassinate him in his sleep?

I swear I've seen that somewhere before....
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I mean.

There's no "pretending" if you were marching alongside actual Nazis. You're part of them if you didn't walk away(or tell them to get the fuck out).

Or at least they may as well be considered as such.
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Well that's the problem with spite. Even if it feels good sticking it to someone, it hurts you too in the end. There's a reason why there's a proverb about digging two graves if you seek revenge.


But yeah it's.... it's going to be a long 4 years for all of us at this rate.
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Trump: Define the Alt Right.

Reporter: Well McCain describes it as-

Trump: What about the Alt Left?


*Sigh*
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"I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct" - Trump


XFD
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It was that faithful day, that Elysium was no longer a man. No, he was something much much more. For that day he began to notice... changes in his body. He could climb up trees with ease. He could bury anything in the ground to save up for winter. He could outrun any dog.

For today, he was no longer a man. He was Squirrel Man!






... But yeah, you should probably get a shot.
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And after thousands of years... I finally pull a Camilla.


+Att - Def

Now I just need the little sister....
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4* Robin. Yay Bonfire
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Makes sense. She's a "villager" that becomes a knight. So Knight BST + Villager BST?
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Who's Baked Alaska?
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Jakyl25 posted...

We were talking earlier about how crazies use new ideas to sell anti-vaxx rhetoric...

https://twitter.com/olivianuzzi/status/897253369861025792

Fuck Alex Jones and....


Just fuck him.
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Makes you wonder why there's any unemployment left in our country!
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And unfortunately it won't really change anything.

People who see him for what he really is already did a long time ago. Where as his supporters will buy anything Trump says because Trump said it.

Thus the new status quo.
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https://twitter.com/FEHeroes_News/status/896997436379381760

New arena units btw.

Guess I'd better get Alfonse levled up....
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I'm going to have to figure out how to do those Legion quests. Last time I did it with two mages, Zephy, and Olivia. I wonder if I can afford to swap out my dancer for that one....
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I don't see how "hand up the skirt" is relevant if there's actual proof that his hand was groping her in the first place. Sexual assault is sexual assault. They're not going to go "Well he sexually assaulted you, but his hand wasn't up your skirt so we're throwing this case out."....
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Heather's mother speaks.


https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/897161313578889216
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The woman who died, standing up for what she believed in.

The woman who was ran over because she dared to believe that white supremacists and nazis are both wrong.
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Well grain of salt then but um...

http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/daily-stormer-weev-heather-heyer-funeral-nazi-charlottesville-andrew-auernheimer/


https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/897116115935133696
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So quick question. How legitimate is Heavy.com considered?
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It's technically vandalism, so I wish they took it down a different way.


But... I can't say this particular instance of vandalism upsets me either so <_<
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MenuWars posted...

Of course I am I live in a predominantly white country. I'm not complaining about oh poor me I'm trying to show that misdirected hatred escalates things and just makes matters worse.

We can all do so much better but most of the time we just want to insult each other cus as a species we're dicks.

Right.

I wish it wouldn't happen either. I.... even have some family members who act that way. It pains me because it isn't right. The things that happened to them wasn't right either, but hating white people because of that..

Granted I'm not a saintly person. I'm perfectly fine with say... hating someone who directly caused your harm, but not their grandchildren. Never liked the "Sins of Our Fathers" thing.


Peace___Frog posted...

Illinois State Senate passes resolution calling for neo nazis to be classified as terror groups.

Once again, a reminder that local and state politics can change far faster than federal.

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Jakyl25 posted...

To anyone calling them subhuman, if you were part of an army that had one captured who had killed people, would you still feed him and offer him basic necessities? You would, because he's a human.

Think back to the Guantanamo Bay stuff and all the abuses on prisoners there. Set aside the idea that there had been no trial and no guilt determined; let's assume at least one person detained there was guilty. Is it cool that our guards did that to a guilty terrorist? No, it's not.

Fair enough. I wouldn't be okay with starving someone to death. Nor would I want a person who hasn't even had a chance to legally defend themselves to be tortured.
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MenuWars posted...

I see it on social media constantly. Surprised you don't honestly.

Oh absolutely. People on the internet can be racist.

But um... you're getting the low end of that racism spectrum. >_>

That doesn't make it okay. That doesn't mean your feelings doesn't matter. But holy shit the things I've seen said over the years.
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Kinglicious posted...

Honestly I don't think it's "merely" for that either for no small amount of them but it's a valid reason for the rest. And it's a valid reason of right wing rallies that aren't made by and for Nazis. And no, cops wouldn't. It's basically just gang violence at this point, something they traditionally back off from until it's safe or use extreme amounts of force, with no in between. They step in only for certain extreme cases like imminent risk of severe harm/death. Brawls? Ehh... not so much.

Gang violence eh? And yet you feel the need to stand up for this "gang"? Shall we speak with the Bloods and Crips next? But the police not stepping in until it's too late. Unsurprising.


Kinglicious posted...

Nah, the current trend of hard rejection by right and left is good. Policies that can lead to may be bad (e.g., giving more power to the state) but that's a different argument. Yeah, it is incompatible. We've spent generations with a society that fully cannot work with a supremacist view of any kind, that's great. They took their platform and now are being rejected so hard, stormfront is having issues. They'll probably be pushed underground again or focus efforts in other places where supremacists are having more success, like Sweden ironically (if unfamiliar, Nazis there have grown due to the more open policies with migrants over the decades). And yes, only when it's so impossible to work will it be stamped out as much as possible.

That's exactly what we want to do. Stamp it out. You were the one arguing against that this whole time. >_> Going "Oh this was bait, you should have done nothing." "You gave them attention" when it was said attention that cause things to happen. Stormfront is in trouble, there's apparently more cities taking down confederate statues in retaliation for what happened in Charlottesville. It's what happened last time. We didn't "tolerate" Nazis, we showed them that they were not welcome.


Kinglicious posted...

The bottom two are in the same post as the first one.
Read them again.
With a German accent if you must.
And add in that you've called for their arrest. Of all of them.

This is VERY similar to the way Nazis thought. Same arguments, same claims, different people.

I'm talking about a group of "people" who want to kill off a race of people. I'm not speaking about an entire race. I'm not speaking about someone who has no control over how they were born. Don't compare me to such filth.

These people are indefensible.
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MenuWars posted...

For example, people go on and on about the amount of black people in poverty in the US because it's a disgustingly high percentage I agree with that. Then the argument goes further, it's the white peoples fault even though there's actually a far larger number of impoverished white families in the US.

Percentage wise it's lesser, but if you're living in shit and people are blaming you for others living in shit, and because you make up much larger numbers, all you can see is how that isn't true... and yet you're supposed to eat it up, because of things your forefathers probably had nothing to do with, and that you yourself have taken no benefit from.

Especially now with pretty much everyone having access to social media, language is more important than ever.

Well that's not right. Who exactly is doing that to you Menu?
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It's called sex trafficking, Wang.
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Kinglicious posted...

the only thing we give is that everyone has a right to a platform. they aren't given it, they take it when they're big enough. don't know how you inferred that there's no reason to look back at history, of course you look back. so did they. and they've adapted their ideas to a new one, which you're a part of. you're familiar with the old arguments and the old issues but they won't necessarily apply. that said, the basic principles broken down to their core won't be able change ever so that's the main thing you're getting out of your historic lessons, along with a more societal understanding of how different the world is today to back then. we let them talk, we told them to fuck off, cool. they were considered and their points were rejected. that's pretty fair. did i use rejection earlier when i should've said denied instead or something? if so alright that'd be my bad, too many things to reply to on way too wide a spectrum (history, philosophy, the demographics and make up of event, things that occurred at prior events, the way history works, etc) it's a bit dizzying.

They were given a platform. So were the people who were against them. You keep bringing up "old arguments", implying these neo-nazis have "new" ideas. Why don't you share them with the class? What makes neo-nazis different from their genocidal predecessors?



Oh and I skipped over this somehow.

Kinglicious posted...

finally no, calling someone not human isn't critique anymore. you aren't analyzing them, you're removing the ability to analyze them.

I critiqued them and I analyzed them. I've came to the conclusion that their beliefs are incompatible with humanity as a whole.

Kinglicious posted...

the Jews being hated "because they're Jews" is a circular argument that doesn't say anything; they were hated because people were told that it's the Jews who are to blame for their conditions, it's the Jews who aren't willing to treat everyone else as people, the Jews are commiting wrongs against the people to further themselves. it wasn't "convenient scapegoat," it was "purposeful dehumanization." when you do that to a class of people who have not done anything (reminder that this is to you saying that every single one of them should be arrested, not to the guy who committed murder), yes, you are doing the same thing. there's not really a loophole available here.

"Just following orders." is the natural conclusion of that. If people believed these things without seeing proof of it for themselves, then yes they're essentially scapegoats. They wanted an excuse for their own failing, and accepted it just like that.

Meanwhile history itself demonstrates what the Nazi mentality is, and what happens when you ignore it. Every single member of that side is part of the riot, every single person should be held responsible. Every single person there decided the spreading hate was "okay" if a statue was being taken down. Not a single innocent person exists on their side. Not a single one.

What I'm suggesting is not the same thing. Not unless you'd like to refute what is in the history books. Not unless you'd like tell that every single living surviving veteran of WWII was wrong for opposing this group the first time.
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Kinglicious posted...

the people who went to this rally were told not to get into fights. it's even written on that guide i've mentioned a few times now, the same one jakyl posted a few topics ago. the one you made fun of me for calling the normie guide despite that being their own way to call it.

I wasn't making fun of you. I was mocking the usage of the term "normie". >_>

Is... there a place I can read said guide btw? Did you link it in the last topic?


That said, I'm not convinced that they brought those weapons merely for their protection. I mean, it's not like they could even stop a second smoke bomb for being thrown. So what good would the weapon be in that case? If anifta came armed and they didn't, the police would surely step in before things got too unpleasant right?

Kinglicious posted...

and yes, it's going to be generations of rejection. the only way you get rid of an idea is by having other ideas continuously surpass it until it becomes useless or incompatible. other ideas won't actually go away but will lose what made them immoral, allowing for a very different discussion (the current argument of machine labor, where the philosophical arguments are now about man's spirit to work as opposed to the argument of forcing someone to work against their wishes in often terrible conditions).

Except we already are rejecting them. But apparently we're rejecting them in the "wrong" way. Nazism is already incompatible with what are the basic set of morals. Are you suggesting we can only "get rid" of the ideas of Nazis is when it becomes too inconvenient or irrelevant to them? Hate is never too inconvenient. Hate isn't a fad that goes away because people got bored of it.
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Admittedly I only took a quick glance at the whole Menu v topic thing, but I don't get how the argument even started. A misunderstanding sure, but all of that?
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To speak is to take action.

To not speak is to take action.

To take action is to speak.

To take no action is to speak.
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“We have been silent up until now, but now we see that this was a mistake. It was the silence of good people that allowed the Nazis to flourish the first time around, and it is the silence of good people that is allowing them to flourish now,”

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There's.... also this.


Kinglicious posted...

A history lesson will not be very helpful to you, you're in a different time facing new versions of the old ideas. You're too removed from the original to get all the meaning and the idea is now presented in such a way to try to appeal to you in this new time, to make you believe it's possible. If you shut them down at this stage, you give them validity.

But if you let them talk, this incompatibility becomes clear. Everyone moved away from the idea generations ago and basic principles no longer work in the new society, principles they can't hide once a push is made. So they'll get rejected again, by people who reaffirm their current beliefs as they reject the old ones. As they do that, they will also continue to move against these negative beliefs.

Only after generations of rejection from iteration after iteration can you effectively program out these ideas as there won't be anything left to compare. It'll effectively be dead.

So basically, we have to give them a platform to speak(Which ironically goes against the idea of Freedom of Speech/Expression) and that there's apparently no reason to look at history because it was so long ago that the ideas are considered old?

We've let them talk. We've told them to get the fuck out, but apparently that's going too far? After all, only they get to say what they want. We have to be their friend. We rejected them, but we rejected them in the "wrong" way.



After generations of rejection? Well we rejected them in WWII, and I"m pretty sure we rejected them up til today. How many more generations do we have stand idly by and listen to them?

Actually, I have a better question.


Considering their message is a message of hate, that they have no problem wiping out a group of people for being born, and they they're actively trying to accomplish all of this(They won't be satisfied with just "talking" about it)...


How many people are you okay with dying, before we put an end to this? How many lives are you comfortable with ending before you you put your foot down?
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