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mal_fet once again ignoring sources and people smarter than him so he can put his feels before reals.

I'm sorry sweetie, but it's widely accepted that nazis were far right, as has been shown. If you disagree, you can write your own scholarly articles and submit them. Academia always looking for new viewpoints!

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

"It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus."

LMAO

"However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not."

LMAO

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literal_garbage posted...

mal_fet once again ignoring sources and people smarter than him so he can put his feels before reals.

I'm sorry sweetie, but it's widely accepted that nazis were far right, as has been shown. If you disagree, you can write your own scholarly articles and submit them. Academia always looking for new viewpoints!

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority
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literal_garbage posted...

Fucking Wikipedia SHILLS writing all of these books and articles and getting them published just to LIE on Wikipedia

How deep does this go!?!?

Racism doesn't make a government right wing. That's not debatable, it's just a fact.

Now please find me the part of your Wikipedia article that explains how the Nazis weren't socialist despite meeting the definition of socialism.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Wait, sourced Wikipedia articles and the general consensus on Nazis means nothing,

If Nazis meeting the definition of socialism means nothing then certainly neither does one reference on a community-edited website equating right-wing politics with racism.

Someone tell all those high school communist losers wearing Che Guevara shirts that they're wearing the visage of a filthy right winger!
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literal_garbage posted...

Not to mention this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nazism&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Position_within_the_political_spectrum

All of these damn dirty scholars with their history and shit

Lol

Nazis = far right because right = raysism! Nope. Go to some actual leftist forums sometime and see how quickly they disprove this shit.

This is the problem with using a community-edited website to argue a point. You wind up with nonsense conclusions like "it's not possible for a socialist to be racist".
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literal_garbage posted...

http://imgur.com/a/0OJNw

Those numbers next to "far right" is what we call a citation. I should've been clearer, I know this is tough for you

You didn't even look at those citations, did you?

How embarrassing......
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Gandhi said worse thibgs about black people than Wayne ever did.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Lol wait, how is Washington a leftist hero

Washington was a FEDERALIST - and opposed the Dem-Reps.

So what
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I'm not seeing a ton of salon links on this wikipedia page

I'm not seeing any of links on the wiki that show how Nazi Germany was right wing despite the state controlling all the means of production.

Or how they are right wing at all. The statement calling Nazism right wing has no citation.

Did you try looking at the massive box on the right, sweetie?

Nope, no citation. But feel free to post the citation you think proves the Nazis are right wing.
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Lol wait, how is Washington a leftist hero
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literal_garbage posted...

I'm not seeing a ton of salon links on this wikipedia page

I'm not seeing any of links on the wiki that show how Nazi Germany was right wing despite the state controlling all the means of production.

Or how they are right wing at all. The statement calling Nazism right wing has no citation.
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literal_garbage posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

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hockeybub89 posted...

How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion?

Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist.

Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar )

Yes, only Salon has called Nazi Germany right-wing. Yawn. "They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything, so they were more left than the socialist paradises that liberals cheer about!" Dude.

academic sources are for cucks, don't ya know?

He literally use the salon writer as a source.

How "academic"
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byron posted...

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Call me when Democraps categorically drop identity politics.

Call me when the republicants do.

Lol

When's the last time you heard Ben Carson say he should be president because he's black?

For every 0 instances you find I'll give you 50 examples of Hillary saying "I should be president because of muh vagina"
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Call me when Democraps categorically drop identity politics.
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hockeybub89 posted...

"They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything,

Literally none of these things disqualifies them from being leftist.
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hockeybub89 posted...

How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion?

Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist.

Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar )
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literal_garbage posted...

Um I checked Wikipedia

SJW logic, folks.

hockeybub89 posted...

Wait. So is socialism right-wing or were the Nazis left-wing?

The Nazis were further to the left than Scandinavian countries are.

Let me know if you need this put in shorter words.
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NadYobWoc posted...

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NadYobWoc posted...

I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs.

I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence.

Evidence of what? No one tried to claim Scandinavia was strictly socialist.

Nor did I

I merely pointed out that the one example people have of a fascist right-wing government had more socialist qualities than the left's favorite examples of countries where their ideas actually work to some degree.
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"Nazi Germany fulfills more requirements of socialism than Nordic countries do, and here's why"

Doomy: You're crazy!
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NadYobWoc posted...

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NadYobWoc posted...

The issues with Nazism were based in authoritarianism, not socialism. You dont have a point.

Venezuela is just one more example of how these two things go hand-in-hand :)

Confirmation bias

when 100% of socialist countries turn out authoritarian, it's not a bias anymore.
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NadYobWoc posted...

The issues with Nazism were based in authoritarianism, not socialism. You dont have a point.

Venezuela is just one more example of how these two things go hand-in-hand :)
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Doom_Art posted...

I mean the Western Allies did that as well.

Did I ever say their countries weren't socialist at the time?

It's a good thing they reverted back to capitalism after the war, huh?
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Yeah, Obama had charisma.

Too bad he was a corporate cronyist hack.

How's Trump any different?

Unlike Obama, Trump opposes TPP and a healthcare system that was written by insurance industry bigwigs.
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justaguy3492 posted...

"You can't compare the successes of Scandinavian socialism to America, we're two different cultures."

The Scandinavian countries are not socialist. They have socialist policies that are propped up by an economy that is entirely capitalist.
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hockeybub89 posted...

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I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well.

Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages.

Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!!

Mal going back to the Nazi Germany Was Left well I see.

Nazi Germany was more socialist than the "socialist" Scandinavian countries, for exactly the reasons I outlined.

Go ahead. Try to deny it.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

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Sephiroth1288 posted...

But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability.

I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well.

It's not about left-right, it's about whether you respect democratic values.

Authoritarianism is neither and both right and left.

You're absolutely right, but once again:

Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves.

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Doom_Art posted...

I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well.

Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages.

Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!!
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Yeah, Obama had charisma.

Too bad he was a corporate cronyist hack.
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Doom_Art posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves.

i mean giving populist demagogues control of the government always ends badly. Left or right.

But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKBN1AG0N0?il=0

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on Monday celebrated the election of a new legislative superbody that is expected to give the ruling Socialist Party sweeping powers and mocked U.S. criticism that the vote was an affront to democracy.

At least 10 people were killed on Sunday in protests against the unpopular Maduro, who insists the new body known as the constituent assembly will bring peace after four months of protests that have killed more than 120 people.

Opposition parties sat out the election, saying it was rigged to increase Maduro's powers. They decried the vote as a fraud and called on supporters to protest again as of midday.

Countries across the Americas, as well as the European Union, denounced the creation of the assembly, which will have the power to rewrite the constitution.

The United States - the top market for the OPEC nation's oil - called the vote a sham, and officials in Washington said they were preparing oil-sector sanctions.

"A spokesperson for emperor Donald Trump said that they would not recognize the results of Venezuela's constituent assembly election," Maduro told a crowd of cheering supporters following the completion of the vote.

Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves.

Ho-ly shit, how many times does this need to happen before people get that socialism is a fucking horrible concept?
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

But for real though, when is Trump getting impeached?

As soon as Hillary Clinton gets thrown in jail.
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theregister posted...

BLM saints

Paradox.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Because many people in this topic are referencing the general public, not just politicians. Your comment is hyperbolic in that regard. It's also disingenuous to say that one act (or even others) encompasses all of Obama's platform.

You'd be hard-pressed to find something Obama did that took money from the rich and gave it to the poor.

Even Obamacare, the "great" leftist victory, was written by men from insurance industry and resulted in skyrocketing profits for health insurance companies.

Just about everything Obama did was to serve the rich, and that is not hyperbolic.
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Asherlee10 posted...

1. That seems to be hyperbolic

How do you figure? Did Obama not bail out the biggest businesses in the 2008 crash while all the poorer small businesses got wiped off the map with no help from the govt?

Asherlee10 posted...

2. How is that related to Sage's statement?

To say that conservatism is about giving rich people money as if they are exclusively guilty of it (or even that they are the bigger offenders of such a practice) means you probably live in a different reality.
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Asherlee10 posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

Liberals live in an entirely different reality than the rest of us

What do you mean?

Spend 35 years spreading inequality and transfering all the wealth and political power to the rich,

^ That has literally been the platform of the Democrats from Lyndon Johnson to Barack Obama.
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Malcolm_Caradoc posted...

You're already enough of a joke without having to post stupid ass memes SephiROTH.

You'll need to try harder than that to revive this awful topic.
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They're clearly not setting Dany up to take the Iron Throne for good.

She will get it, but will be short lived. Whenever she gets more power, she becomes more like the Mad King. Already she's started threatening to burn people to death, which is exactly what the Mad King ordered before Jaime slew him.

It stands to reason that Dany's madness will completely overtake her once she gets complete power, and the poetic conclusion would be that she is similarly killed by a close confidant.
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Veggeta X posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Probably has to do with the topic being marked or not.

Oh right. I forget if you don't mark it then a ToS breaking post won't be modded ever even if it is in front of a moderator's face.

Or maybe the mods are just more likely to catch a violation when it gets marked

Those shitty "impeach Trump nao" topics never stay on the front page very long, after all.
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Veggeta X posted...

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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Kim, do you know what disruptive posting is?

I mean it wasn't modded the first millionth time he did it. Why should it be modded now?

It should have been modded about the time it started getting annoying

7 friggin months ago

Agreed but since it hasn't why choose to do it now? Must be great to conveniently decide what and when things are moddable

Maybe enough people got sick of it and actually started marking them as disruptive posting. Which it is.

Don't get mad when the mods enforce the ToU just because they gave you a pass for awhile.
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Veggeta X posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Kim, do you know what disruptive posting is?

I mean it wasn't modded the first millionth time he did it. Why should it be modded now?

It should have been modded about the time it started getting annoying

7 friggin months ago
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Spend 35 years spreading inequality and transfering all the wealth and political power to the rich, then mock anyone who wants something different as a "greedy" person who wants "free stuff" and to "steal other people's money." You stole all the money a long time ago. $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$ $$$

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Kim, do you know what disruptive posting is?
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There’s nothing quite as dread-inducing as realizing you have to fly in the middle seat.

The person who wrote this really needs to get out more...
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Antifar posted...

hmmm
https://twitter.com/JonahSaltzman/status/885317126222999553

Salon literally defends pedophiles.
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It begins!!
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Arcvalons posted...

Right, words, written or spoken, have never had any meaningful impact or influenced those that heard/read them:

Godwin's Law has been invoked already? Really now?

To say Adolf Hitler succeeded in committing genocide thanks to hate speech being allowed is fucking nonsense and you should be ashamed for suggesting it. For centuries it was the stance of the Catholic church that Jews were each individually responsible for the murder of Christ. The Vatican not only preached hatred but condoned acts of violence against Jewish communities. Dissent against this belief was deemed "offensive", and a slight on Jesus himself.

Do you understand? The Vatican, much like Antifa, had for centuries cracked down on any speech that offended their dogma. And the result of this crackdown on "hate speech" was Nazi Germany. It wasn't until after WWII that the Vatican admitted that maybe they were wrong.

If they had allowed free speech to flourish and not subdued the people who stood up for the Jews, the final solution may never have happened.
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emblem boy posted...

Why will it be good. From what I heard in that other topic, cenk is a shitty debater and Shapiro is expected to win. Doesn't seem like something to get excited about

Cenk never does serious debates yet pretends like he's the pinnacle of rationality, and Shapiro is like a verbal sledgehammer

How will this not be entertaining
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MakoReizei posted...

isn't Cenk an Armenian Genocide denier?

Yes
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Arcvalons posted...

Words can be as meaningul as actions.

No they fuckin aren't.

Grow up, babby.
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ETA 10 minutes

Dis gon be gud
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