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Remember when the X-Men solved all of Earth's problems with the Phoenix force, but the Avengers threw a hissy fit about it and when the X-Men clapped back they were the bad guys?

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

At this point its more about survival than any chance of reclaiming Gaza.

The refugees in Syria have nothing to do with Gaza. They were there from the war in 1948.

Humble_Novice posted...

If I may ask, what is the current consensus regarding the Lebanese population's thoughts on Palestinian refugees?

I'm not Lebanese so I wouldn't know, but from a Palestinian American perspective they are kept as refugees without legal status because Lebanon had that whole sectarian civil war and they don't want to rock the boat by introducing a huge Sunni voting population to change the political landscape.

Charged151 posted...

Really glad to hear this. Arab countries refusing to allow Palestinians citizenship opportunities in hopes of keeping them as spear carriers against Israel is cruel and inhumane.

Also, glad that Syria is (so far) moving in a good direction post-Assad.

Lebanon is the only other country with a significant Palestinian refugee population, and their status isn't going to change any time soon due to Lebanese demographics and politics, not because of Israel. Jordan? Most "Palestinians" have been citizens since 1948.

Whoever is President really doesn't matter when it comes to Israeli policy. The only difference is which side will be mad about it. Let's not pretend the established Democratic leadership are not rather hawkish when it comes to Middle Eastern policies.

I'm shocked people find this controversial, as if the average person from Florida has a working knowledge of Algebra.

Is Magneto running around with the X-Men in the upcoming movie? As for Xavier, Dr. Doom canonically would be able to resist his powers because that is one of his traits. Emma Frost (psychic) and Purple Man (chemical) both failed when attempting to mind control Dr. Doom.

The X-Men outside of the comics aren't exactly heavy hitters. There is a ton of power creeping in the comics due to how long the continuity has been running, but that doesn't apply to the movies or TV series. You aren't going to get a Cosmic Phoenix Jean, or an Eternity Storm, or a New Sun Gambit running around in the movies.

Depends on your own immune system. If you're the type that gets sick easily then throw it out. Otherwise if it passes taste/smell/sight tests you'll probably be fine. Still a risk but a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm going to say the same thing I've always been saying. You don't protest in your country about what other countries are doing, you protest what your own country is doing. We can protest all we want about how we don't like North Korea's government, but what would that change? Same thing applies to Hamas. The reason Israel gets so much protest in the United States is because this country funds Israel's military assault, while covering for them in the United Nations to prevent any binding resolutions from impacting Israel on a global scale. If the United States stopped doing that nobody would protest here, because people typically do not protest in favor of foreign intervention. They protest to keep their nation out of foreign intervention.

Heavy emphasis on the "proper" and not a case of the Democrats just shoehorning in one of their "Moderate" corporate shills.

Netanyahu fired the head of Shin Bet for investigating his aides and was getting a ton of flak. That is why he restarted this war. He needs another distraction.

Ivynn posted...

I remember the story being that DST was made for the benefit of farmers, but that was a long time ago, I don't know if that's true or just a story. But, man, DST is not relevant to modern life at all.

I've heard this isn't true, because farmers don't care. They operate on a sunrise-sunset schedule. Doesn't matter what the clock says they are getting up at sunrise.

kelemvor posted...

Yeah, they are most likely dead. That mother and her toddler were sent back to Israel a few weeks ago, dead. Too bad the Geneva convention only apply to "western" countries

The PLO claims to apply the Geneva Conventions, but Hamas isn't part of the PLO. So it wouldn't apply to them.

Don't let recency bias confuse you, France and Britain were horrible colonial powers. The US had to reel them in because the Soviets were actually justified when they called out their horrific practices. We complain about Israel but it's a drop in the bucket compared to what France was doing in Algeria.

Somewhere between a seven and eight, I decided to be charitable and voted seven.

No but not for any organized effort reason, I simply did not have to buy anything today and I've never been the type to buy something I did not need.

Let me explain Bishop in simple terms so you can understand his motivation. He's a cop.

So there's an extension for the Lebanon withdrawal until mid February. I wonder how many more extensions Israel will demand?

Tom_Joad posted...

Which has nothing to do with the fact that there are more than enough registered voters in Louisiana to flip the state. And they simply choose not to.

Just like you chose not to even try.

You are making a false assumption that most of those people who did not vote were pro-Harris. Most of those nonvoters may dislike Trump, but they hate the Democrats more. If they were forced to vote Trump would simply had more votes. Look at the approval ratings prior to the election. Trump was hovering around 50%, whereas Biden was hovering around 30%. You are simply throwing out statistics without actually looking at what's behind those numbers. That's why I said you were being disingenuous.

Tom_Joad posted...

Louisiana, in this election, only had 60.8% of eligible voters actually vote in the election.
https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_voter_turnout_in_the_2024_general_election

There are 2,984,366 eligible voters in Louisiana.
https://electionstatistics.sos.la.gov/Data/Registration_Statistics/statewide/2025_0101_sta_comb.pdf

Donald Trump netted 1,208,505 votes in Louisiana
Kamala Harris netted 766,870 votes in Louisiana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Louisiana#Results

2,984,366 - 1,208,505 = 1,775,861 votes (for Harris or not cast at all)

1,775,861 - 766,870 = 1,008,991 votes (remaining)

That's more than enough votes to flip Louisiana into the Democratic column. But instead of doing so, you and all the rest of the non-voters (or third-party voters) decided to waste your vote and allow Trump to return to power.

You and the rest of them could have flipped Louisiana, but chose not to.

So, no... Louisiana is not a lost cause, unless you chose to make it a lost cause. And in 2024, YOU DID!

Why don't you go look at the previous elections and see how many people voted? Democrats lost about 90,000 votes, while Trump lost 50,000. But if you compare that to 2016, Harris still lost 14,000 votes, where as Trump gained 22,000. 2016 and 2024 had the same amount of voters. Since 2008 Democrats have not gotten more than 41% of the Louisiana vote. Hmm, who ran in 2008 that completely poisoned the well for Louisiana? This is why I say Louisiana is a lost cause for Democrats: they ran a Black candidate and the voting populace never forgave them. The nonvoters never vote, so you might as well discount them from any discussion. They don't care about national politics. It is disingenuous to lump them with protest voters because they are two different groups. One group can be won over for their votes, the latter will never vote.

Tmaster148 posted... People love to go on about how progressive policies are popular but progressive just don't show up to vote

Who are these progressives you think exist in Louisiana that aren't voting?

Starks posted...

"Yeah, who gives a shit about 36,000 votes. It's just 0.5% lol."

That's your shitty take in a nutshell if we use Pennsylvania as an example.

This is a false equivalency. Pennsylvania was up for grabs so those votes actually matter. I'd say the same if you are a blue voter in a blue state, as they have to guarantee the Harris win. The equivalence to me would be a conservative voter voting for RFK in Hawaii, as a protest to Trump being too far right but not liking Democrats.

LightSnake posted...

You realize "The Dems are too far right" is a very fringe opinion, right?

Yes, but I also realize that it doesn't matter if we protest vote the Democrats for their right-leaning foreign policies in states where our votes won't tilt the scale one way or another. But a lot of people here don't understand that there is no difference between 38% and 38.5% and want to yell at me for that, so I'm being a lot more flippant in my responses than normal.

havean776 posted...

Dude you won. Trump is now in power. You don't need to gloat.

We tried to save America and we failed. We know this.

Hey if that's the mentality you guys want to have go for it. Just don't be surprised as you keep hemorrhaging allies because you keep pushing right leaning candidates for president.

DrizztLink posted...

What a perfectly normal reaction to being told "hey have you tried not sitting on your ass and then claiming you did everything you could?"

When did I sit on my ass? I voted. Did you know if all of us protest voters voted for Harris, she would have won 38.5% of the vote instead of 38%? Damn we almost had the state won, but we had to protest vote!

DrizztLink posted...

How's that working out for you?

How's voting for Harris working for you? What happened to AOC's attempt to take the Oversight Committee seat? Oh wait, the Republican Lites in the party blocked it. I personally blame you as a Democrat voter for not standing up to the old Democrats of the party. Why don't you just hand your property over to the billionaires as they become a new noble class?

UnfairRepresent posted...

Rolling over for facism sure will show people who oppose facism...

Great logic

I'm getting bulldozed anyways might as well remind the people who are supposed to stop the bulldozer to stop trying to drive it.

Tmaster148 posted...

Doesn't sound like you are really that liberal.

Why, do you see Harris as a liberal icon? Because she's not. She's the "plug our noses and vote anyways" candidate. Except in my state's case it stinks so bad even that isn't going to help. The proper response is to reject the Democrat's Republican lite politics by reminding them if they shift right they'll lose the left.

DrizztLink posted...

Well damn guess that means it's time to roll ove-

Shut the fuck up and quit complaining if you aren't willing to put in the slightest effort.

Or you can accept the fact that some states are abandoned by the Democratic party and let us vote however we want. Just go back to trying to flip Texas and Florida and let us abandoned liberals do what we want in the deep red states.

DrizztLink posted...

Do you just flat-out not know what the word "incrementalism" means?

Yes, but unfortunately the state has been in a pattern of decrementing votes. More and more percentages keep going to Trump. He had 58% in 2016 and 2020, and 60% in 2024.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

how many people do you think there are like you who dont think it matters? That number adds up and all you have to do is vote to make a small difference alone

Exactly 31600. Or 1.6% of the voters of in my state who voted 3rd party. About the same as the last election. We actually had more people voting third party back when Hilary was running. More people here just like Trump, as he's getting the old third party voters.

Tmaster148 posted...

Keep being a champion against progress.

Keep ignoring math.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

The states dont matter because you refuse to vote democratic in the presidential election. You didnt teach them any lesson other than that louisiana is even more of a lost cause than they thought.

The delusion here isnt being held by the democratic party.

Yes because Harris winning 38.5% of the vote instead of 38% of the vote suddenly puts the state into play. /s You guys just want to be right and refuse to look at reality. Somehow we're the ones being delusional. Originally had it at 40% but a lot of the independent voters went Libertarian or RFK.

WingsOfGood posted...

what do you make of Trump saying you will never have to vote again?

I don't know, why don't you campaign to have the Electoral College abolished so my vote matters and I can actually care about that. Because right now I can say as a voter who did not vote for Trump my vote 100% went to Trump because I live in a winner takes all state and there is nothing I can personally do about that.

Tmaster148 posted...

The more people with your mindset, the more progress gets pushed back and everyone suffers.

Well then we'll have to disagree. Protest votes in states that do not matter are better than voting for the Democrats to give them the delusion that their base fully approves of Republican Lite policies. We're still doing our job by keeping the Representative blue, which is all the Democrat national party expects from us.

LightSnake posted...

So why aren't you helping with these grassroots?

The notion that "They don't even TRY to win!" because they, uh, focus on blue areas in Louisiana seems flawed at best when you examine the GOTV in Nevada, Pennsylvania, etc

Because I don't live in a red region. I'm in the urban area that votes blue, fighting off the slowly creeping red votes. The rest of the state hates the people from my city.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

> doesnt vote for democrats in their state

> why arent democrats getting votes i dont get it

Did you miss my earlier post? We voted for Democrats for House of Representative. The Democrats won. We don't live in the red regions so we cannot do anything about those votes.

Tmaster148 posted...

And if everyone thinks their vote is pointless and opts to not vote, then you'll never flip the state. We saw every state this election swing to right. If this keeps happening then even solid blue states could become battleground states and eventually solid red states.

Voting is important. Protest voting or not voting helps no one.

Oh are Democrats trying to flip the state? Why did they spend zero dollars here campaigning then? Did you not see the percentages? It went 60% Trump, 40% others. The Democrat strategy here is to just get their representatives from blue areas and abandon the rest. There is no local grass root movements by Democrats in any of the red regions, that's why they keep losing these areas. Because they aren't even trying to win.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

the protest vote itself didnt matter. Its still horribly and completely dumb to not vote Harris in this election though. What mattered, and always matters in every presidential election is the voters who think their vote is pointless.

Throwing away your vote and then complaining that youre powerless is just an absurd thing to do.

Louisiana is a winner takes all state. We're the perfect type of state to protest vote because if we don't vote for Trump our votes don't count at all. Nobody spent any time campaigning for Harris here because they knew this state is a lost cause. As someone who is anti-Trump there is no difference between not voting, voting for Trump, or voting for Harris, as our state will still 100% go to Trump. So there is nothing absurd about protest voting, it's just a way to check how many votes we actually have if we voted as a bloc. The only votes that matter is for House of Representatives, and we did not protest vote then.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

yeah so you didnt actually contribute to trump not taking power then

wonderful. This is exactly the attitude were talking about

Trump won 60% of the state. The 2% that went to all the independent candidates combined (including RFK who got similar votes as his other minor competitors) would not have mattered. We knew this going into the election that Trump had the state in the bag. The only parts where our votes actually mattered (representative) we voted Democrat. Like I said in most cases the Palestinian protest voters never mattered. Maybe a little in Michigan but that wouldn't mattered overall. Instead of purging your potential allies maybe look at how you can unite people into saving what's left of this country after the Republicans are done in the next two years.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

are you saying you didnt even vote for president lol

No I voted third party (lol) because we were locally counting how many actual voters we had and that was the easy way to do it, since nobody votes third party here.

Sandalorn posted...

What do you expect from someone that came into a thread about Trump cancelling sanctions made by Biden to....complain about Biden 700x more than Trump. Not very clever. Another case of "When people show you who they are...believe them!".

I only came in to complain about some people acting like users are pretending this thread didn't exist like it proved something. I never thought Trump was better for Palestine than Harris but people seem to have a misconception about the voters who were angry about Biden as if we're the ones who denied the Democrats the election, when in fact most of us still voted Democrat, we were just very vocal about our displeasure with Biden.

LightSnake posted...

You'd think after a point you'd get the fucking message that maybe your messaging hasn't remotely worked and now you've pissed off mainstream Dems, Republicans have zero capacity to listen to you...

Glad you've stayed pure though

Me too. I live in Louisiana so it was super easy to not vote for Harris or Trump, my vote never mattered. Well, except representative but that went to a Democrat.

Sir_Will posted...

Anyone who did vote for Harris is responsible for Trump.

No the people who voted for Trump are responsible for Trump. If we want to play the proper blame game put it on the people who actually did the harm. We're in a Democracy but yall acting like purging your own side will somehow get you more votes.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

deflect deflect deflect.

I sympathize with you being a palestinian american, but you simply are unable to address that trump is making it worse. Nobody said Biden was good with his stance, its universally shit on, and it was STILL better than what trump is going to do. Biden did a lot wrong in palestine, do you thing anyone would even try to argue that?

Also the one state solution is just completely incompatible with israels view of palestine and its people, as id hope you know. How do you expect that to work?

I'm not deflecting. I never said Trump was going to make things better. My contention was the Democrats played Republican lite with this issue just like they did with every other issue, and we already saw Republican lite loses elections. They sure are Bipartisan when it comes to Israel though.

HashtagSEP posted... I don't think it really matters how well versed you think you are when you literally make the argument "The only difference is how bad it'd be under either and that doesn't matter," because that shows a clear and blatant disregard for the people actually there.

Gonna go back and point out what I said earlier about Biden doing nothing with Golan Heights and Jerusalem, and how Settlers were murdering Palestinians under Biden's watch and he still did nothing.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

How do you type this completely unironically and claim to care about Palestine

You're straight up saying yeah its gonna be even worse now but both sides

Also interesting that you havent responded to the articles in this topic. Would you like to try and do that?

Trump recognized Israel's illegal annexation of Jerusalem and the Golan Heights the last time he was president. Biden never reversed that. I'm much more well versed in this topic, seeing how I'm a Palestinian American and have been to the region when Clinton was president. My personal opinion gets heat from all sides but frankly I'm against Palestinian state because I don't see it as geopolitically possible and would rather a one state solution.

But since you guys are so happy to post other issues what happened to the American citizens murdered in the West Bank last year that the Biden administration said they will hold Israel accountable for? Last I heard the investigation was pending back in February last year. And you wonder why people have no faith in the Democrats.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

oh were none of them claiming trump wouldnt be worse than Biden either lmao

Youre deflections are bad

Gonna circle back to my leopard comment. Palestinians were screwed no matter what with both administrations. Only difference was how bad. And that isn't going to win you support. Not that it mattered seeing how American voters don't actually care that much about Gaza.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

no, thats not what i said. Who did you respond to because it wasnt me

people were PRAISING TRUMP for his tough guy attitude and threats leading to a ceasefire which was bullshit. Idk what the hell you thought you were responding to

Y'all calling out the regular posters when none of them were doing this.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

whos we?

Multiple people here claimed Trump wasnt gonna be worse and were actually crediting him for a ceasefire

Im just pointing out your both sides bullshit doesnt work when one side is literally worse with no way to defend it

If you think speculation that Trump was pulling a Reagan by having Netanyahu tank ceasefire attempts until he won is giving him credit for the ceasefire then I don't know what to say. The Biden criticism was always that he was allowing Trump to win on this issue by being so supportive with Israel. If anything the Democrats had their faces eaten with Netanyahu agreeing to a ceasefire immediately after Trump won.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

hes objectively worse. Getting rid of the sanctions and the authorization to use them is objectively worse.

Just like literally everyone said

Yes including us. What's your point? We didn't cost the Democrats the election.